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Submitted by DPAD Dave 897d ago | news

Epic happy to wait for 'massive leap' in next-gen console performance

Epic in talks with Sony & Microsoft over next-gen, but would "rather get a massive leap in performance and capabilities than get something today." (Epic Games, Industry, Microsoft, Next-Gen, PS3, Sony, Wii U, Xbox 360)

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Morrigan-Aensland  +   897d ago
I guess they aren't waiting for the Wii u.
Dark11  +   897d ago
Yep , they want a REAL next-gen console.

wow disagrees? , but it is true!
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PopRocks359  +   897d ago | Intelligent
Wii U is next gen, hence the disagrees.

EDIT: I'm sorry that people think specs are everything, but the Wii U is the next generation successor to the Wii. It's a next gen console.

And I emphasize that no one confirmed support (or lack thereof) of Unreal 4 on any game console.
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Dark11  +   897d ago
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dude the Unreal Engine 4 doesn't even support the wii U !!
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PopRocks359  +   897d ago
*Sigh* That's not confirmed. No one from Epic Games ever confirmed what consoles support/don't support Unreal 4.

EDIT: @StraightedgeSNES

Have you seen the tech demo for it?
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StraightedgeSES  +   897d ago
@Dark11 whats so good about unreal 4?

Edit @poprocks359

Yes but it doesn't look that impressive to me the samitarian demo was better
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Sono421  +   897d ago
Ok I don't know why all of you are bringing up Unreal Engine 4, they don't mention it anywhere in the article, as a matter of fact the only engine they even somewhat mention is Unreal Engine 3, I think you guys are putting your expectations too high, epic themselves say in the article:

"Rein added that the firm's GDC 2011 Samaritan demo, which showed a cyberpunk peacekeeper battling thugs in a gritty city street, "was a demo to show what we think the consoles should... what we would like the next gen consoles to be able to do."

That Demo used UE3.. you guys brought up UE4 yourselves. It's also been confirmed that the Wii U can run the UE3 so... what was your argument again?
SilentNegotiator  +   897d ago
"@Dark11 whats so good about unreal 4?"

Besides the fact that Unreal is one of the most popular engines out there?
Army_of_Darkness  +   897d ago
the wii u is indeed the successor to the wii, but that doesn't mean it's a next gen console if it can only do what current consoles are doing now...
it's gonna be the ps3 vs. 360 vs wii all over again lol! part#2

imagine a mario game with uncharted 3 graphics! that would have at least convinced me that nintendo is trying to get the hardcore audience back, but nope, just a wii game in HD:-(
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pixelsword  +   897d ago
I can't say if the Wii U is a big or small leap in terms of power, but it's all what people do with it. Nintendo's pretty good at doing that, so we'll have to wait to see what they do.

I still remember people on many sites, including this one, plus veteran developers like Carmack and Newell saying (if I'm not mistaken) that the PS3 was weaker than the 360, even though the PS3 constantly had games with better overall graphics and effects than the 360, exclusive or not; and each of those developers made games that could not graphically beat the PS3's best exclusive games on either the PS3 or 360.

So we're at this impasse again with people talking about the Wii's power, and again no one's waiting for games to make their judgements on.

Just give them a chance, give them some time: because even if the PS3 and 360 are on the market three years from now, that's almost another gen that Nintendo may "catch up" in terms of graphics.
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Kos-Mos  +   897d ago
Yes because next-gen is about graphics only.
IHateYouFanboys  +   897d ago
wow, cant believe people are disagreeing with PopRocks359.

the wii U is next gen, fact. "next gen" isnt a term relative to power or graphical capabilities - its simply used to describe what generation of video game consoles that a certain console came out in. the PS1/N64 was a generation. the next generation was PS2/Gamecube/Xbox/DC. the next gen was 360/PS3/wii. the next gen is, so far, *drum roll* the wii u!

power doesnt come into it, neither do graphics, online, multiplayer, controller, games, NOTHING! release date is ALL that next gen is.
blitz0623  +   897d ago
Not sure why some people disagree with the FACT that the Wii U IS NEXT GEN. It doesn't matter if it won' bet as powerful as an Xbox 8 or PS4. It can be as weak as a SNES but it still succeeded the Wii like how you will succeed your dad.

The Wii is CURRENT GEN together with the 360/PS3 and it's not even close to challenge the power of the other 2. The Wii U succeeds the Wii which succeeded the Gamecube, etc. It IS NEXT GEN.

Some may argue that the rumored PS3 superslim can be next gen. Common sense will tell you that it DOES NOT succeed the PS3, and hence it's not next gen.

The word succeed means many things, in this case, it means "To come after in time or order; follow." or "To come after and take the place of". That should already clear up the definition of succeed when talking about generational consoles.
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DeadlyFire  +   897d ago
@PopRocks359
Epic actually stated that any HD platform capable of one Tflop from an Ipad to a computer would support Unreal Engine 4. If WiiU has a 1Tflop GPU then it will be supported for WiiU. Maybe not at 1080, but 720 or less more than likely.

I would happily wait as well. No need to push when you only get a console that can only do 720 with next-gen game engines.

As far as WiiU goes its the start of next-generation, but its the low end solution. PS4/XB3 as well as generation # what of AMD/NVIDIA GPUs are the High End solutions.
nukeitall  +   897d ago
Put simply, generation isn't determined by "technology leap", but rather the number of iteration@!
SkullBlade169  +   897d ago
Wii-U = Next gen due to time of release I suppose, but it still just uses current generation level hardware so it is really just a glorified current gen console.

Nothing next gen about it aside from the release date.
samtheseed  +   897d ago
"but it still just uses current generation level hardware"

You obviously don't have any clue about the WiiU or what you're talking about. Current gen hardware as in, of the time, or, as in, 8 year old hardware. Hahaha, what the fuck are you on about.
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PopRocks359  +   897d ago
"Built on the open, scalable Power Architecture base, IBM custom processors exploit the performance and power advantages of proven silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology."

http://www-03.ibm.com/press...

On par with current generation consoles, my foot.
LNDCalling  +   897d ago
So on that basis if Sony release a new 'slim' model, that will be 'next Gen' will it?
SkullBlade169  +   897d ago
Learn to read. "Current generation LEVEL hardware".

It doesn't use current gen hardware, but it uses weak/gimped hardware especially when compared to PC hardware that is already years old.

The hardware that is uses is comparable to current generation level hardware power wise, hence why the Wii-U is simply a glorified current gen console. It may be slightly more powerful, but it's hardly next gen.

That is what I am going on about.

I am yet to see anything this system can do that completely outshines the PS3/360. This console will look as bad as the actual current gen consoles by the time the next batch come out.

I also wasn't strictly referring to the current gen consoles. Computing hardware doesn't wait for consoles, the current consoles are actually around 7 generations old now hardware wise.
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StraightedgeSES  +   897d ago
"Now why is it not next generation console now. Because you don't think their graphical leap is good enough to be called next generation I'm guessing."

"So let's just negate the new controller input, lets forget about them advancing their online offerings, doesn't matter that they have 1080p/720p now, a high capacity disk doesn't matter either."

"Oh because they aren't pushing enough polygons for your taste they aren't next generation correct. Let's just forget about the games and input right?" - JBSleek
greenpowerz  +   897d ago
Agreed.. aside from the tablet controller.
Jadedz  +   897d ago
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You deserved it (kidding :P).

As the Wii proved: the majority of consumers wanted to experience compelling software (though some uniqueness to a console's hardware, can also be a good thing). The Wii U may not be as powerful spec-wise as it should be, but it's a really balanced console, and developers have stated that it's fairly easy to develop for.

Maybe Epic can wait, but I'm purchasing a Wii U this holiday season.

@Dark11
Epic said that they'll make their Unreal engine 4, scalable (from smart phones to consoles, google "scalable Unreal Engine 4").
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Morrigan-Aensland  +   897d ago
If people consider the Wii u to be next gen because it'll be out this year then ill consider myself as having a next gen console because I bought a new ps2 .

In not considering anything next gen because its being released at a certain period of time but doesn't improve upon what is available. Wii u is a next generation Nintendo device not a next generation console in general.

The Wii u is said to be very easy to develop for but it has a few old games ported to it that looks worst of the lot of hd consoles. That means that developers had to do all kinds of tricks to make the Wii u version of ported games look close to 6 year old systems.

Wii u isn't next gen and that's ok. Fanboys should stop lying to themselves and support another console that they actually like for what it can do . People should accept the Wii u for what it is and its games if they want to and not fantasize about what it should be while saying " power doesn't matter". Power doesn't matter to NES fanboys but they are offended by people making observations about how the launch games look worse than current hd games. It's really telling that they actually want a lot of power but are too silly enough to go elsewhere .
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ChickeyCantor  +   897d ago
"The Wii u is said to be very easy to develop for but it has a few old games ported to it that looks worst of the lot of hd consoles. That means that developers had to do all kinds of tricks to make the Wii u version of ported games look close to 6 year old systems. "

So games that are ports with hardly any improvements, which look the SAME, not worse, are THÉ games to judge the Wii u?
Not to mention they worked with development kits. They had to work with incomplete SDKs.

You yourself havn't pointed out what next gen is. And I don't think you are capable of doing so.
yabhero  +   897d ago
The level of stupidity in this troll comments is amazing... DOES ANYONE HAVE THE FREAKING SPECS?
That is all.
3GenGames  +   897d ago
There is an automatic disability though, streaming sound and unneeded garbage to the controller. I mean, it's probably all inside it's own smaller 8-16MB area in RAM to be serially DMA'd to the screen, but that is STILL another (850*480) 408,000 pixels the 360 and PS3, and even next gen consoles don't HAVE to output. And that's just the screen, add another 128kb to that per second. (128kb to bytes is 131072 bytes, divided by 60(60.1 if you want to get closer) is just over 2KB a frame) I mean it's not a TON considering they probably will have their own RAM and be changed during loading and not normal gameplay, but it's still something more that has to be done, even if it is by serial on a separate coprocessor.
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Siren30  +   897d ago
yabhero: I was thinking the same thing. I was trying to figure out if Nintendo has released the specs yet or if everyone is just going off the rumors. I've heard high spec rumors and low spec rumors. I guess everyone has chosen to go with the low spec rumors
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DeadlyFire  +   897d ago
They will only go with what they think they know.

I personally believe WiiU has a 1+ Tflop GPU along the 6900M series. More than enough for 1080 on all current gen tech and 720 on new game engines. That's just me though.
metroid32  +   897d ago
WiiU has the most powerful Engine on the markey and thats CryEngine 3 it wont be all about UE this next gen trust me and CE3 can do more than UE4 crytek said it a month bk and going off the UE4 tech demo i believe them as i dont think the UE4 demo was anything great to be honest ??
Persistantthug   897d ago | Trolling | show
no they are waiting for the console makers. The console makers are waiting for new hardware to be cheaper and old then use them in next gen console . PC will be much more ahead next gen.
DeadlyFire  +   897d ago
As always. Unless they plan to pack dual or quad CPU slots + GPUs into a console then it will always be a step behind PC gaming. Naturally they don't do this because of heating issues, but if they found a way to do this then it would last a little while above PC level graphics. :P
Rockoman16  +   897d ago
Did you really had to make that anal comment?, ugh, you make me fart U__U
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CryWolf  +   896d ago
If Epic wants a leap in Next-Gen console performance/graphics then MS/Sony needs to get a Nvidia Kepler graphics card then and stop fucking with AMD APU technology, just get a Nvidia Geforce GTX 680M 2GB of GDDR5 ram.

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DrJones  +   896d ago
You just had to make this into a flamewar didn't you? Dumbass.
mike1up  +   897d ago
WiiU is never mentioned in this article.

So... was there any purpose for adding the WiiU tag, besides trying to piss people off?
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r21  +   897d ago
maybe because wii u is next gen. or are you saying it isnt next gen?
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mike1up  +   897d ago
It wouldn't matter if the WiiU was from 5,000 years in the future, it's never mentioned in the article!

Both PS3 and 360 are tagged and they are not next gen consoles, but are infact mentioned in the article.

Are we learning yet?
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Drekken  +   897d ago
Wii-U will be the same as the Wii is to the PS3/360. Below the bar.

Mighty kind of nin to release a "HD" system, they are just a generation behind of the others. I really don't view Nintendo as competition for Sony or MS.
donman1  +   897d ago
Drekken = a mule's ass.

I see stupid people are quick to post nonsense.
Samus HD  +   897d ago
So you think that ps4/720 will have like ULTRA HD graphics ??
Fishy Fingers  +   897d ago
Obviously the better the hardware, the better they're engine will perform. When you've spent the last 5 years building it you don't want those fancy new features being ignored due to hardware limitations.
gcolley  +   896d ago
it is called scaling. if your engine can't scale it is useless crap
Fishy Fingers  +   896d ago
I understand that, and UE is pretty much the best in the business when it comes to scaling.

But the current consoles cant even get all the best features of of UE3, especially at a decent resolution/frame rate. So potentially, there would be room to stick with UE3 into the next gen, unless the hardware is there to warrent Epics move from UE3 to UE4.
Farsendor1  +   897d ago
hopefully whatever they make for next gen consoles comes to pc.
Fishy Fingers  +   897d ago
Technically it should, unless of course they strike another exclusive deal with a console manufacturer.

Either way, I hope to see a few more games/IPs from Epic next gen than we have this.
Dark11  +   897d ago
I'm sure most of the games next-gen will comes for PC like FPS/RPG games .. but don't expect something like bayonetta or any other action games especially from japanese Dev.
sandman224  +   897d ago
Its been about8 years since the 360 was released. Why do we have to wait any longer for a new Xbox. How many more years will it take to make games look better. Is it to expensive to do or is the technology not there. If its to expensive why dont they sell they sell the new consoles simular to buying a mobile device. That would help a ton of people in terms of being able to afford it.
ChunkyLover53  +   897d ago
It wont even be 7 years since the launch of the Xbox 360 until this holiday season. Xbox 360 launch holiday 2005. It will probably be around the 8 year mark when the Xbox 720 launches next year.

The thing is, some people want new consoles, but you cant put them out at a huge price point. The economy is poor and there are a ton of other options for gamers these days.
JBSleek  +   897d ago
Don't blame the economy it isn't an issue. Has the economy affected the crazy surge in $500-$600 tablets or the premium $1,000 ultrabooks. There isn't a lack of money.

The real question is is it justified to buy a console to get my gaming fix.
ChunkyLover53  +   897d ago
@JBSleek

I'm not sure what the number is for tablet owners, but I don't think they match the likes of the Wii, Xbox 360 or PS3.

Tablets are a whole separate audience in my opinion, and if you don't think price plays a role in gaming consoles, your crazy.

People don't buy tablets with the intention to game on them, they buy them for work or various other reasons.
JBSleek  +   897d ago
I think you may have missed my point.

I didn't say tablets are used for gaming. I just remarked on you said the reason was an economic reason but buying trends tell us it isn't a lack of money or spending on high priced gadgets. It is what does the consumer value as a worthy purchase of $500+

"The total amount of tablets shipped in 2011 was more than double what analysts predicted with 73 million tablets sold"

While estimated 375 Million will be sold in 2016 therefore far eclipsing the wildest dreams of console sales.

The point is not one of money but of preference.
Farsendor1  +   897d ago
technology is there to make gaming leaps but console gamers don't want it.
hellvaguy  +   897d ago
Of course they want gaming leaps. But they dont want to pay alot for it. Thats where sony and ms are caught between a rock and a hard place atm.
Fishy Fingers  +   897d ago
It almost seems like a gentlemans agreement between MS and Sony to delay the launch of their next systems.

They've both been clear, they want this gen to last as long as possible. I imagine to try and turn an actual profit from their current systems, both took a heavy hit on this gen early on, it's likely to be a similar story next gen.
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pixelsword  +   897d ago
True; but all three of them know that a new, possibly $400-$600 console in this economy would be suicide. I think that's one of the factors why The Wii took off so well: a lot of people are actually playing PS2's and the XboX; else there would not have been a big deal when The Halo and SOCOM servers went down. That being said, the Wii had better graphics and a newer way of playing, but not the support.
DrJones  +   896d ago
sandman224

Learn math.
DA_SHREDDER  +   897d ago
I have 2 ps3s. Wont buy a third cause i can only gameshare on 2 systems. I'm waiting for anything new to come out im dying over here.
Persistantthug  +   897d ago
@DA_SHREDDER......Sir, with due respect, that's your own personal problem sir.
At E3, I just witnessed some of the greatest games ever.....

I saw THE LAST OF US.
I saw a TECHNICAL MARVEL in BEYOND 2 SOULS.
I saw WATCH DOGS
I'm getting another great GOD OF WAR game

And then, we've still got Gamescom and Toykyo Game show coming up where we're gonna get more awesome greatness.

If you're bored with all of this, then I might suggest you take a little break away from gaming like I did in 2007, and then I came back in Jan 2009.

No reason to be bored, and no reason for any new console at this present time. Sorry.
MysticStrummer  +   897d ago
"No reason to be bored, and no reason for any new console at this present time."

Exactly. I won't feel the need for PS4 until there are no more games I'm looking forward to on PS3 and there are numerous PS4 tech demos out to salivate over. I passed on God of War 2 until I got the GoW Collection because I was already excited for PS3. There's nothing making me want to pass on upcoming games just to get ready and save for a PS4.

OT - I have a feeling Epic will be disappointed if they're waiting for a massive leap in next gen consoles. The Wii U doesn't provide that and I doubt PS4 and NextBox will either, though they will be more powerful than Wii U.
TheKayle  +   897d ago
if u think to get that games for the ps3 u r just crazy ahahah
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giancarmen  +   897d ago
How ignorant can people be by saying that the wii U is not next gen. The stupidity in some comments when it comes to anything Wii U is amazing.
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metroid32  +   897d ago
WiiU is Next Gen compared to ps3/360 thats for sure

Comput shader 11
Shader Model 5.0
OpenGl 4.1
HD3D
Eyefinity
32MB Edram

Enough said and this is the baseline its a souped up Radeon E6760 with better performance so think how powerful it is ??? only if you wait 4/5 years will you beat the WiiU graphically as these graphics are maching the best you can get today END OF ???
_-EDMIX-_  +   897d ago
The Wii U is not that much better then the 360 and PS3. Not enough to call it Next gen. Is it more powerful, yes...so is the Ipad, PSV etc. Those are not even by any means considered "Next Gen". I'm calling now, that the Wii U WON"T get the same games as the PS4 and 720.

So do you guys just think PS4 and 720 will just be this baby leap like the Wii U? As if to say the PS4 and 720 would be considered "next gen" if they just added

Comput shader 11
Shader Model 5.0
OpenGl 4.1
HD3D
Eyefinity
32MB Edram

oh and a "souped up Radeon E6760"? o...k.

The PS3's RSX was modeled after the best GPU of that year, the 7600GTX. Now that GPU costed about 600 or 500 bucks at that time. For the PS4 and 720 to match that type of leap, we need a GPU in those that is the best of this year, ie a HD 7970 or 680 etc. Now THIS is the leap that needs to be taken. So to say the Wii U is "next gen" is to say such a leap was made.....that was not done with the Wii U my friend.

With 1 gig of ram, i'm doubtful when it gets Watchdogs its going to be the best version. The Wii U version will fall under the COD4 port type version while the PS4 and 720 and PC get the clear real versions of the game.

History will show you that gaming in terms of Next gen systems, is not just a minor baby step
Dms2012  +   897d ago
My interest in current generation games is starting to flag a bit, the "wow" factor has diminished. I still enjoy them, but I am getting impatient to see what is next.
LAZL0-Panaflex  +   897d ago
Gaming tablets, sony mentioned sony mobile at e3 and just bought gaikai. Rumors also saying only 2 of the big 3 will have next gen consoles,
LAZL0-Panaflex  +   897d ago
Because next gen now would just be less jagged edges. They should just make ps3 and 360 super slims with more ram...(like 3 gigs) that will hold us over for a good worth while console jump. The ps3s current ram is why we dont have cross game chat.

Also upgrade the xmb.

And another reason for the long wait is the upcoming of the tablet....which ipad 4's will already be console ready and for about the same price of a console you can have a console with a SCREEN that hooks up to a tv and plays with a dualshock 3.

Pretty sure sony and ms are waiting to see how these gaming tablets, ouyu and streaming go.
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Gorbenshore  +   897d ago
Next-gen games should be stunning
Tzuno  +   897d ago
maybe in 6-8 years we will see a BIG difference between graphics. right now it will be like "oh yes i have seen this on pc" :)
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RevXM  +   897d ago
Launch games have pretty much always looked kind of like the better looking PC games at the time because that was what detail and balance people were used to make and from there on they just add on stuff as they learn about the hardware, they develop new software technology and learn new techniques approriate for the hardware.

Hopefully though Games this time will look as good as Crytek and Epic have shown us with their demos at launch.

Probably though it will always be a bit like "Oh we have seen something kind of like this on pc"
PC is where a lot of developement happens and that is why.

But Next gen should provide a visible technical boost at launch. Capabilities lies in the hardware waiting to be tapped by creativity from Developers and artists.

Ps3 and 360 is pretty much sucked dry, and I cant wait to see what can be done with juicy untapped high end hardware. Cant wait for that the freshness, the jump and the glimpse of what future coming games might be.
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Mikefizzled  +   897d ago
Mean while at Nintendo....
ozzywazzy  +   897d ago
they just figured out how to make a 2d Mario HD! *golf clap*
kingduqc  +   897d ago
I hope of all my hearth that next gen offer 60 fps all the time. This gen, people lowered their expectation on frame rate and Imo it's a huge mistake.

fucking stuck with sub 720p at 30 fps with some dips, man that must be a horrible experience.
Dms2012  +   897d ago
Rage may not be the greatest game, but it runs at 60 fps at 720p, hopefully this will be standard next gen. I am personally expecting much, much more than just better fps and rez, however.
metroid32  +   897d ago
WiiU GPU specs are as follows=

Compute shader 11
OpenGl 4.1
Eyefinity
HD3D
Shader Model 5.0
32 MB Edram

Now if that isnt next-gen what is ?
Another thing if Sony/Microsoft wait 5 years then they basically skipped a generation so it's fairly obvious the consoles will be powerful when skipping a whole generation ??????? by that time WiiU will be 4 and a half years in,WiiU2 will be out a few years later ???? for me that's called defeat END OF.

CryEngine 3 Cryteks words does more than UE4 already and one of their partners is busy making a WiiU game as we speak google it ?? anyway OpenGl 4.1/SM 5.0/Compute shader 11/32MB Edram/Eyefinity/HD3D/ make WiiU a proper Next Gen system going of ps3/360 END OF and obviously if you wait 5 years you can make a more considerable jump in graphics HOW OBVIOUS AND STUPID HEY I KNOW I'LL SKIP A WHOLE GEN AND BORE PEOPLE WITH KINECT/MOVE 4 5 YEARS WHILE WIIU GAMERS PLAY 720P/1080P OPENGL 4.1 games ???

WiiU has a souped up Radeon E6760 with features from HD6770 carried over ???? Its basically a beast of a GPU that can do 70% of the work a cpu would normally do so you dont need a super fast CPU with a gpu that supports Compute shaders END OF.
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RevXM  +   897d ago
HD6770-E6760?
LMAO!!!

No sorry pal that is pretty slow stuff.
Also I find it funny that you even believe that the WiiU will support Eyefinity.

All the videos and pictures Ive seen of the Wii-U shows 1 HDMI output and 1 output for non HD resolution displays.

Yeah Eyefinity with one CRT and one 1080p flat screen... yes and then you choose the controller screen to be either the left or right screen lol Enjoy 3 monitor eyfinity lol.

Apart from the Edram there is nothing actually special about it.. and it is all rumor right? So chill out until someone opens the damn thing since Nintendo don't actually want to tell us.

Only thing that is for sure is that WiiU is not really powerful, and that Im basing of its size, lack of impressive tech demos and tech talk and the fact it will prolly have the most expensive controller while being the most affordable of the next bulk of consoles. Tiny device usually means less power.
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_-EDMIX-_  +   897d ago
Agreed. @Metroid32- Next Gen is not just used to describe a system by default of releasing before the generations over or being a little powerful then the last set of systems.

By no means did people consider The Wii "next gen" when it released. Despite it clearly being more powerful then the Gamecube. The problem, is that people are calling it next gen because its just a little more powerful then the PS3 and 360.

Lets be real, if Nintendo released this system instead of the wii WE WOULD CALL IT NEXT GEN as in THIS GEN, CURRENT. No one would be saying "ZOMG The Wii U's shaders are....next gen" Its comparable to the current gen systems, in fact, if you just said the Wii U, PS3 and 360 all launched at the same time, i doubt any one with half a brain would say "man that Wii U is NEXT GEN compared to the PS3 and 360"

The leap is almost that of a PS3 vs a 360. Some more here and there, but nothing to some how make you believe its "next gen" is clear the Wii U won't be getting games like Star War 1313 etc.
PygmelionHunter  +   897d ago
Oh Epic! You will be severely disappointed.
StraightedgeSES  +   897d ago
If theirs a massive leap then alot of gaming studios will shut down due to the cost of development.
Eyesoftheraven  +   897d ago
Development tools are enhanced and made more efficient and streamlined alongside the improved visuals & mechanics, so it balances out..
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RevXM  +   897d ago
Might be true, but Im not seeing how next gen games would cost drastically more to make than Current gen games.
Scaling away less polygons and resolution makes no difference.

Neither should it be more time taking to use the new tools, technology and engines such as CE3 and UE4 opposed to older tools and engines and new tech is always being created so that is nothing new and nothing that I would think really adds much to the cost of developement opposed to this gen. (if anything modern engines should cut costs!)

Ive noticed that the most huge budget games in this gen have a lot of Stars/talents behind it being part of the cast in the game or creating cinematics, music, writing the story or directing something the sound design etc. others just have a sick amount of unique detail and a very lengthy dev time adding to the cost I guess.

If my memory serves me right Crysis 1 didnt have as massive budget as MGS4, Killzone 2, Halo 3, LA Noire or GTA, yet it was nothing short of amazing.

Crysis 1 budget was 22 million according to Wikipedia.

Anyways I cant quite see what would be so different next gen vs this gen that would add unreasonable amounts $$$ to the developement.
But someone is welcome to enlighten me.
LOL_WUT  +   897d ago
So epic is waiting for the REAL next-gen consoles it makes sense.
Eyesoftheraven  +   897d ago
I'll wait just the same. Can't afford new consoles anytime soon anyways let alone new PC hardware to stay ahead of them!
konohashin  +   897d ago
What makes something next gen? Next gen is something that comes up in a time frame /period of time.

The N64 kicked the Playstation 1's ass when it comes to hardware. But both are from the same Generation. The Virtual boy was released 1 year prior to the N64. It was weaker had only red colors but was 3d. They are also both in the same generation.

Everyone, I reapeat EVERYONE who thinks NEXTGEN means processing power IS A MASSIVE IDIOT that defies logic.

P.S If you Disagree it shows what childish kiddies you are. Kiddies that need to compare dick sizes and which care about totally unimportant + or - , agrees or disagrees thumbs up or thumbs down stuff LOL.

Seriously I will not come back to see how much agrees or dissagrees I got so don't waste your time.

Don't get randy with disagrees etc because they don't have any real effect. They just help little kinds boost their own ego because they NEED it and have nothing else to be proud of.

P.P.S English is not my mother tongue so if you find any grammatical or spelling erros keep them I don't need them anymore!
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jetlian  +   897d ago
lol this is clearly an alternate account!! next gen when dealing with tech is not the same as say people being born.

the system isnt pushing anything tech wise which is why its not next gen.
konohashin  +   897d ago
Well then I have to CLEARLY disappoint you!

Nextgen with TECH is not different then being born.

Some people are taller smarter faster etc. and all belong into the same generation because not HOW TALL ARE YOU makes them part of a generation but WHEN WERE YOU BORN.

There is no difference betweem the term in genetics and technology besides the fake one ignorant people create to bash whatever they want to bash.

The WiiU system is having newer architecture. It has better shadows, better texture filtering, better lighting, better particles, better shaders, better bokeh, better overall effects it has better AA it is more efficient and is a day 1 SLIM.
It offers a tablet with touchscreen. It offers DX 10.1/11 equivalent graphics

How is all this not pushing anything tech-wise?
It's much better than DX9 stuff the competition has to offer. (belive me I've seen it at e3 and own a PS360 with a total of around 100 games for those systems)

So please stop saying anything if you don't know what you are talking about.

Just look at the Zelda REALTIME demo. (its not a video I "played" it and filmed it) the thing alone looks better than any video game on PS3 or 360. Or any of those consoles tech-demos. And It ran on slow dev-kits.

Look at Kara for example it has nothing to offer the thing looks generic has mediocre light effects etc. The only thing it has is fancy lens flare effects and maybe good facial animations.
Kara was shown in 2012 and they said it was actually footage from 2011 and that they tweaked it to look a bit better now but Zelda was also 2011 footage.

And btw Zelda had more stuff going on more details more light sources etc and still looked better than Kara.

It is also not zoomed out as God of War is etc. And is not a bunch of manipulated bullshots like the ones of Gears, Forza or Uncharted.

And remember the loading screens from heavy rain?
They look good because its upper body/ face only models/bluray video without much compression. The real models dont look that good. (I rip game models for Gmod)

You can compare this to the Mario 64 startup sequence with the floating face. It looks way better than the actual Mario face in the game.

Well enough said Don't blindly trust anyone neither a company's marketing department nor me etc. Sit down and take time to learn about all the stuff. And then form yourself a real opinion.

Good night :)
jetlian  +   897d ago
so if I release a phone today with 3g speeds today I can call it 4g even tho its not at the level of 4g? No I cant nobody would say its current with the tech available

wii came out with ps2,xbox,gc,dc level tech when gaming moved to HD it was behind and wiiu will be behind the next PS and XB

No one is saying wiiu is exactly the same its just too close to ps3/360. When 360 came out with Just cause, gun, splinter cell da they all looked way better than the xbox/ps2 version day 1.

The same cant be said of batman, not one thing sticks out its a new gen. The new mario didnt look better than anything weve seen this whole gen. Zelda did look good to bad its a tech demo. and it was nothing going on
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stragomccloud  +   897d ago
Of course it supports eyefinity. The multiple monitor support is the second screen on the controller.
ShinraE5  +   897d ago
Epic isn't happy to wait. There is a reason their new game fortnight is PC exclusive, its due to the tech/UR4.
archemides518  +   897d ago
they only said it so people will still look forward to gears "4"
Fortnight is next gen?
BitbyDeath  +   897d ago
Are Epic finally admitting that their latest UE4 engine sucks?

They need to improve it bigtime, or better yet start fresh with an entire new engine to take advantage of all the recent technologies.
BitbyDeath  +   897d ago
Why the disagrees?
UE4 might be fine for this gen but next it is not.
archemides518  +   897d ago
do you think any developer with a major 360 release still to come would say anything else?
WeskerChildReborned  +   897d ago
I just want next gen soon for improved gaming experience without having to own a gaming rig not that i have anything against gaming PCs, just that some are expensive.
Neko_Mega  +   897d ago
A real leap would be wearing some glasses that put me into the game and I control it with my mind.

But that is asking for to much, heck my mom seen a video of Forza 4 once and she was thinking it was real life XD. Don't know, I want a system to come with a SSD hard drive and thats about it for what I want besides awesome games.
ConstipatedGorilla  +   896d ago
My buddy put an SSD in his PS3 slim and it sped up load times considerably. I'd do the same, but I like my 500 GB drive and that would be expensive to get in SSD.
TenkoTAiLS  +   897d ago
They will be waiting awhile, people can daydream all they want but "next-gen" consoles are gunna do what current PC's can do. The console is not going to be magically more powerful than the PC's they create the games on. People who seem to think consoles are gunna show graphics or tech better or even the same as current PC's are delusional and blinded by the PR their chosen console company releases. Plain and simple >.<

Also they HAVEN'T announced ANY console to be using Unreal 4 tech yet, not the "PS4", not the "next-box" and not the Wii-U. So stop with the Nintendo bashing when neither of the other two have had it announced yet either.Just because it's probable doesn't mean it is a given. And it will definatly be scaled down from the PC version no matter what console it's on, just like the pervious Unreal Engines. Why people think its gunna be different this time around when consoles always use cheaper and less powerful tech due to costing to the consumer is beyond me.
tee_bag242  +   897d ago
True.

Quote - "The demonstration (UE4), at 1920-1080 x 60fps x 40,000 operations per pixel, required a massive 2.5 teraFLOPS of computational power. The Xbox 360 musters up about 0.25 teraFLOPS. It doesn’t take a genius to do the math on this one – UE4 requires 10x the power of the Xbox 360...recent estimates suggest that the machine (720) will be roughly 6 times more powerful than the 360." ( http://slappersonly.com/201...

Interview with Tim Sweeney. Marinate on that for a bit guys.
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3rdDimension  +   896d ago
No one will listen to you and instead hope and dream that the next console will be some crazy leap forward.

I remember when Doom 3 cam out on the PC, I said thats what next gen (from xbox and gamecube) would look like.

This will be the likely scenario this coming gen as the next box and ps 4 will look like what previous high-end pc can do but to a lessor extent.
chukamachine  +   897d ago
I think people are forgetting the biggest sellers on the WII, or any other ninty platform are nintendo games.

Most ninty games are cartoony looking with bright colours and not alot of texture.

Mario and co will look great on it.

Yes it's next gen for wii owners.

PS3/360 owners obviously want more.

For everyone foaming at the mouth for tessellation, you need a powerful gpu to pull it off maxed.

Go run that if you have a dx11 gpu and you'll notice the tessellation part of it. watch your fps.

http://www.guru3d.com/news/...
jamesensor  +   897d ago
Aha what a funny thing.. I was looking at this news and it has in thumbnail 360 of heat while the console had 720 :-D. It needs to match!
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