Epic happy to wait for 'massive leap' in next-gen console performance

Epic in talks with Sony & Microsoft over next-gen, but would "rather get a massive leap in performance and capabilities than get something today."

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Morrigan-Aensland2143d ago

I guess they aren't waiting for the Wii u.

Dark112143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

Yep , they want a REAL next-gen console.

wow disagrees? , but it is true!

PopRocks3592143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

Wii U is next gen, hence the disagrees.

EDIT: I'm sorry that people think specs are everything, but the Wii U is the next generation successor to the Wii. It's a next gen console.

And I emphasize that no one confirmed support (or lack thereof) of Unreal 4 on any game console.

Dark112143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

dude the Unreal Engine 4 doesn't even support the wii U !!

PopRocks3592143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

*Sigh* That's not confirmed. No one from Epic Games ever confirmed what consoles support/don't support Unreal 4.

EDIT: @StraightedgeSNES

Have you seen the tech demo for it?

StraightedgeSES2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

@Dark11 whats so good about unreal 4?

Edit @poprocks359

Yes but it doesn't look that impressive to me the samitarian demo was better

Sono4212143d ago

Ok I don't know why all of you are bringing up Unreal Engine 4, they don't mention it anywhere in the article, as a matter of fact the only engine they even somewhat mention is Unreal Engine 3, I think you guys are putting your expectations too high, epic themselves say in the article:

"Rein added that the firm's GDC 2011 Samaritan demo, which showed a cyberpunk peacekeeper battling thugs in a gritty city street, "was a demo to show what we think the consoles should... what we would like the next gen consoles to be able to do."

That Demo used UE3.. you guys brought up UE4 yourselves. It's also been confirmed that the Wii U can run the UE3 so... what was your argument again?

SilentNegotiator2143d ago

"@Dark11 whats so good about unreal 4?"

Besides the fact that Unreal is one of the most popular engines out there?

Army_of_Darkness2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

the wii u is indeed the successor to the wii, but that doesn't mean it's a next gen console if it can only do what current consoles are doing now...
it's gonna be the ps3 vs. 360 vs wii all over again lol! part#2

imagine a mario game with uncharted 3 graphics! that would have at least convinced me that nintendo is trying to get the hardcore audience back, but nope, just a wii game in HD:-(

pixelsword2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

I can't say if the Wii U is a big or small leap in terms of power, but it's all what people do with it. Nintendo's pretty good at doing that, so we'll have to wait to see what they do.

I still remember people on many sites, including this one, plus veteran developers like Carmack and Newell saying (if I'm not mistaken) that the PS3 was weaker than the 360, even though the PS3 constantly had games with better overall graphics and effects than the 360, exclusive or not; and each of those developers made games that could not graphically beat the PS3's best exclusive games on either the PS3 or 360.

So we're at this impasse again with people talking about the Wii's power, and again no one's waiting for games to make their judgements on.

Just give them a chance, give them some time: because even if the PS3 and 360 are on the market three years from now, that's almost another gen that Nintendo may "catch up" in terms of graphics.

Kos-Mos2143d ago

Yes because next-gen is about graphics only.

IHateYouFanboys2143d ago

wow, cant believe people are disagreeing with PopRocks359.

the wii U is next gen, fact. "next gen" isnt a term relative to power or graphical capabilities - its simply used to describe what generation of video game consoles that a certain console came out in. the PS1/N64 was a generation. the next generation was PS2/Gamecube/Xbox/DC. the next gen was 360/PS3/wii. the next gen is, so far, *drum roll* the wii u!

power doesnt come into it, neither do graphics, online, multiplayer, controller, games, NOTHING! release date is ALL that next gen is.

blitz06232143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

Not sure why some people disagree with the FACT that the Wii U IS NEXT GEN. It doesn't matter if it won' bet as powerful as an Xbox 8 or PS4. It can be as weak as a SNES but it still succeeded the Wii like how you will succeed your dad.

The Wii is CURRENT GEN together with the 360/PS3 and it's not even close to challenge the power of the other 2. The Wii U succeeds the Wii which succeeded the Gamecube, etc. It IS NEXT GEN.

Some may argue that the rumored PS3 superslim can be next gen. Common sense will tell you that it DOES NOT succeed the PS3, and hence it's not next gen.

The word succeed means many things, in this case, it means "To come after in time or order; follow." or "To come after and take the place of". That should already clear up the definition of succeed when talking about generational consoles.

DeadlyFire2143d ago

Epic actually stated that any HD platform capable of one Tflop from an Ipad to a computer would support Unreal Engine 4. If WiiU has a 1Tflop GPU then it will be supported for WiiU. Maybe not at 1080, but 720 or less more than likely.

I would happily wait as well. No need to push when you only get a console that can only do 720 with next-gen game engines.

As far as WiiU goes its the start of next-generation, but its the low end solution. PS4/XB3 as well as generation # what of AMD/NVIDIA GPUs are the High End solutions.

nukeitall2142d ago

Put simply, generation isn't determined by "technology leap", but rather the number of [email protected]!

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SkullBlade1692143d ago

Wii-U = Next gen due to time of release I suppose, but it still just uses current generation level hardware so it is really just a glorified current gen console.

Nothing next gen about it aside from the release date.

samtheseed2143d ago

"but it still just uses current generation level hardware"

You obviously don't have any clue about the WiiU or what you're talking about. Current gen hardware as in, of the time, or, as in, 8 year old hardware. Hahaha, what the fuck are you on about.

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PopRocks3592143d ago

"Built on the open, scalable Power Architecture base, IBM custom processors exploit the performance and power advantages of proven silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology."

On par with current generation consoles, my foot.

LNDCalling2143d ago

So on that basis if Sony release a new 'slim' model, that will be 'next Gen' will it?

SkullBlade1692143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

Learn to read. "Current generation LEVEL hardware".

It doesn't use current gen hardware, but it uses weak/gimped hardware especially when compared to PC hardware that is already years old.

The hardware that is uses is comparable to current generation level hardware power wise, hence why the Wii-U is simply a glorified current gen console. It may be slightly more powerful, but it's hardly next gen.

That is what I am going on about.

I am yet to see anything this system can do that completely outshines the PS3/360. This console will look as bad as the actual current gen consoles by the time the next batch come out.

I also wasn't strictly referring to the current gen consoles. Computing hardware doesn't wait for consoles, the current consoles are actually around 7 generations old now hardware wise.

StraightedgeSES2143d ago

"Now why is it not next generation console now. Because you don't think their graphical leap is good enough to be called next generation I'm guessing."

"So let's just negate the new controller input, lets forget about them advancing their online offerings, doesn't matter that they have 1080p/720p now, a high capacity disk doesn't matter either."

"Oh because they aren't pushing enough polygons for your taste they aren't next generation correct. Let's just forget about the games and input right?" - JBSleek

greenpowerz2143d ago

Agreed.. aside from the tablet controller.

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Jadedz2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

You deserved it (kidding :P).

As the Wii proved: the majority of consumers wanted to experience compelling software (though some uniqueness to a console's hardware, can also be a good thing). The Wii U may not be as powerful spec-wise as it should be, but it's a really balanced console, and developers have stated that it's fairly easy to develop for.

Maybe Epic can wait, but I'm purchasing a Wii U this holiday season.

Epic said that they'll make their Unreal engine 4, scalable (from smart phones to consoles, google "scalable Unreal Engine 4").

Morrigan-Aensland2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

If people consider the Wii u to be next gen because it'll be out this year then ill consider myself as having a next gen console because I bought a new ps2 .

In not considering anything next gen because its being released at a certain period of time but doesn't improve upon what is available. Wii u is a next generation Nintendo device not a next generation console in general.

The Wii u is said to be very easy to develop for but it has a few old games ported to it that looks worst of the lot of hd consoles. That means that developers had to do all kinds of tricks to make the Wii u version of ported games look close to 6 year old systems.

Wii u isn't next gen and that's ok. Fanboys should stop lying to themselves and support another console that they actually like for what it can do . People should accept the Wii u for what it is and its games if they want to and not fantasize about what it should be while saying " power doesn't matter". Power doesn't matter to NES fanboys but they are offended by people making observations about how the launch games look worse than current hd games. It's really telling that they actually want a lot of power but are too silly enough to go elsewhere .

ChickeyCantor2143d ago

"The Wii u is said to be very easy to develop for but it has a few old games ported to it that looks worst of the lot of hd consoles. That means that developers had to do all kinds of tricks to make the Wii u version of ported games look close to 6 year old systems. "

So games that are ports with hardly any improvements, which look the SAME, not worse, are THÉ games to judge the Wii u?
Not to mention they worked with development kits. They had to work with incomplete SDKs.

You yourself havn't pointed out what next gen is. And I don't think you are capable of doing so.

yabhero2143d ago

The level of stupidity in this troll comments is amazing... DOES ANYONE HAVE THE FREAKING SPECS?
That is all.

3GenGames2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

There is an automatic disability though, streaming sound and unneeded garbage to the controller. I mean, it's probably all inside it's own smaller 8-16MB area in RAM to be serially DMA'd to the screen, but that is STILL another (850*480) 408,000 pixels the 360 and PS3, and even next gen consoles don't HAVE to output. And that's just the screen, add another 128kb to that per second. (128kb to bytes is 131072 bytes, divided by 60(60.1 if you want to get closer) is just over 2KB a frame) I mean it's not a TON considering they probably will have their own RAM and be changed during loading and not normal gameplay, but it's still something more that has to be done, even if it is by serial on a separate coprocessor.

Siren302143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

yabhero: I was thinking the same thing. I was trying to figure out if Nintendo has released the specs yet or if everyone is just going off the rumors. I've heard high spec rumors and low spec rumors. I guess everyone has chosen to go with the low spec rumors

DeadlyFire2143d ago

They will only go with what they think they know.

I personally believe WiiU has a 1+ Tflop GPU along the 6900M series. More than enough for 1080 on all current gen tech and 720 on new game engines. That's just me though.

metroid322143d ago

WiiU has the most powerful Engine on the markey and thats CryEngine 3 it wont be all about UE this next gen trust me and CE3 can do more than UE4 crytek said it a month bk and going off the UE4 tech demo i believe them as i dont think the UE4 demo was anything great to be honest ??

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney2143d ago

no they are waiting for the console makers. The console makers are waiting for new hardware to be cheaper and old then use them in next gen console . PC will be much more ahead next gen.

DeadlyFire2143d ago

As always. Unless they plan to pack dual or quad CPU slots + GPUs into a console then it will always be a step behind PC gaming. Naturally they don't do this because of heating issues, but if they found a way to do this then it would last a little while above PC level graphics. :P

Rockoman162143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

Did you really had to make that anal comment?, ugh, you make me fart U__U

CryWolf2142d ago

If Epic wants a leap in Next-Gen console performance/graphics then MS/Sony needs to get a Nvidia Kepler graphics card then and stop fucking with AMD APU technology, just get a Nvidia Geforce GTX 680M 2GB of GDDR5 ram.

DrJones2142d ago

You just had to make this into a flamewar didn't you? Dumbass.

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mike1up2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

WiiU is never mentioned in this article.

So... was there any purpose for adding the WiiU tag, besides trying to piss people off?

r212143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

maybe because wii u is next gen. or are you saying it isnt next gen?

mike1up2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

It wouldn't matter if the WiiU was from 5,000 years in the future, it's never mentioned in the article!

Both PS3 and 360 are tagged and they are not next gen consoles, but are infact mentioned in the article.

Are we learning yet?

Drekken2143d ago

Wii-U will be the same as the Wii is to the PS3/360. Below the bar.

Mighty kind of nin to release a "HD" system, they are just a generation behind of the others. I really don't view Nintendo as competition for Sony or MS.

donman12143d ago

Drekken = a mule's ass.

I see stupid people are quick to post nonsense.

Samus HD2143d ago

So you think that ps4/720 will have like ULTRA HD graphics ??

Fishy Fingers2143d ago

Obviously the better the hardware, the better they're engine will perform. When you've spent the last 5 years building it you don't want those fancy new features being ignored due to hardware limitations.

gcolley2142d ago

it is called scaling. if your engine can't scale it is useless crap

Fishy Fingers2142d ago

I understand that, and UE is pretty much the best in the business when it comes to scaling.

But the current consoles cant even get all the best features of of UE3, especially at a decent resolution/frame rate. So potentially, there would be room to stick with UE3 into the next gen, unless the hardware is there to warrent Epics move from UE3 to UE4.

Farsendor12143d ago

hopefully whatever they make for next gen consoles comes to pc.

Fishy Fingers2143d ago

Technically it should, unless of course they strike another exclusive deal with a console manufacturer.

Either way, I hope to see a few more games/IPs from Epic next gen than we have this.

Dark112143d ago

I'm sure most of the games next-gen will comes for PC like FPS/RPG games .. but don't expect something like bayonetta or any other action games especially from japanese Dev.

sandman2242143d ago

Its been about8 years since the 360 was released. Why do we have to wait any longer for a new Xbox. How many more years will it take to make games look better. Is it to expensive to do or is the technology not there. If its to expensive why dont they sell they sell the new consoles simular to buying a mobile device. That would help a ton of people in terms of being able to afford it.

ChunkyLover532143d ago

It wont even be 7 years since the launch of the Xbox 360 until this holiday season. Xbox 360 launch holiday 2005. It will probably be around the 8 year mark when the Xbox 720 launches next year.

The thing is, some people want new consoles, but you cant put them out at a huge price point. The economy is poor and there are a ton of other options for gamers these days.

JBSleek2143d ago

Don't blame the economy it isn't an issue. Has the economy affected the crazy surge in $500-$600 tablets or the premium $1,000 ultrabooks. There isn't a lack of money.

The real question is is it justified to buy a console to get my gaming fix.

ChunkyLover532143d ago


I'm not sure what the number is for tablet owners, but I don't think they match the likes of the Wii, Xbox 360 or PS3.

Tablets are a whole separate audience in my opinion, and if you don't think price plays a role in gaming consoles, your crazy.

People don't buy tablets with the intention to game on them, they buy them for work or various other reasons.

JBSleek2143d ago

I think you may have missed my point.

I didn't say tablets are used for gaming. I just remarked on you said the reason was an economic reason but buying trends tell us it isn't a lack of money or spending on high priced gadgets. It is what does the consumer value as a worthy purchase of $500+

"The total amount of tablets shipped in 2011 was more than double what analysts predicted with 73 million tablets sold"

While estimated 375 Million will be sold in 2016 therefore far eclipsing the wildest dreams of console sales.

The point is not one of money but of preference.

Farsendor12143d ago

technology is there to make gaming leaps but console gamers don't want it.

hellvaguy2143d ago

Of course they want gaming leaps. But they dont want to pay alot for it. Thats where sony and ms are caught between a rock and a hard place atm.

Fishy Fingers2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

It almost seems like a gentlemans agreement between MS and Sony to delay the launch of their next systems.

They've both been clear, they want this gen to last as long as possible. I imagine to try and turn an actual profit from their current systems, both took a heavy hit on this gen early on, it's likely to be a similar story next gen.

pixelsword2143d ago

True; but all three of them know that a new, possibly $400-$600 console in this economy would be suicide. I think that's one of the factors why The Wii took off so well: a lot of people are actually playing PS2's and the XboX; else there would not have been a big deal when The Halo and SOCOM servers went down. That being said, the Wii had better graphics and a newer way of playing, but not the support.