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Submitted by TheModernKamikaze 900d ago | news

Square Enix: Extended PS3, 360 lifecycles are 'biggest mistake ever'

That's according to Square Enix's worldwide technology director Julien Merceron, who told GamesIndustry.biz that the platform holders' decision to hold off on releasing new hardware has helped facilitate the emergence of powerful new rival platforms. (PS3, Square Enix, Xbox 360)

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PirateThom  +   900d ago | Well said
Final Fantasy Verses XIII still isn't out.
sinncross  +   900d ago
lol Square... the life cycle have been so long and info on FFV13 is literally still non existent the entire cycle.

Seriously, square are just making themselves look like idiots now
Yi-Long  +   900d ago
I'm very happy with the long lifecycle of the current generation....
... you still see the quality of games improving each year, and by now I have quite a nice and large library of cool games.

My only hope is that the next generation of Playstation and Xbox will be completely backwards compatible with the current generation.
Summons75  +   900d ago
http://www.finalfantasy-fxn...

I'm sorry, what was that about there being almost no information? Looks like there is a ton to me.

I'm perfectly fine with them taking there time to smooth out all the rough edges to make it the best they possibly can. Do I wanna play it really badly? Yes, but I can be patient and wait. Not to mention they said a couple months ago it was 90% done so I don't see why your bitching.
slayorofgods  +   900d ago
It looks like SE is trying to come up with a reason to get in bed with Nintendo again.

SE is the type of company that blames others for their inadequacies, a scary thought is that Square may be thinking of making Wii U exclusives and they may even be tinkering with the idea of moving FFvs13 to that platform as a exclusive.... Remember they have screwed their fans in the past by developing for Sony then making a jump to the 360... i.e. Star Ocean 4 was in development as a PS3 exclusive until SE decided they didn't like Sony anymore.
sikbeta  +   900d ago
New HW is needed, but then again, IF SE can't release VS XIII after 6 years... it's a moot point...
darkride66  +   900d ago
Yeah, this extended lifecycle really hurt the PS2 as well. Oh, wait a minute...
starchild  +   900d ago
Ignorance. Final Fantasy Versus XIII isn't out yet so that means we don't need new hardware...herp derp.

This guy is right. The current gen has gone on for too long.

Oh and darkride66, the PS2 might be experiencing a long life, but that doesn't mean that the PS3 didn't come along in the proper time frame. The PS2 came out in 2001 and the PS3 came out in 2006.

This generation is dragging on too long and it is stifiling progress and making people lose interest. The whole industry is in a decline and it isn't solely because we are in a recession.
Rainstorm81  +   899d ago
@starchild
PS2 came out in 2000....and as these systems become more powerful, naturally they should last longer....

Besides No one at Square Enix has any right to say when the next gen should start, if anything they need to aim for the success they had on PS1 and PS2...the only reason they are still releant is because of outdated hardware like handhelds and the Wii
nukeitall  +   899d ago
It's relatively good for console manufacturers, but not so good for publishers/developers.

The saturation of games, means new games are having a harder time selling and the average selling prices of games are going down, down and more down!

I also agree that the lack of excitement in the console area has driven people elsewhere (with the exception of Kinect).

I think we are way past time for a new console generation though!
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WeskerChildReborned  +   899d ago
Has their even been any info on a KH3?
pixelsword  +   899d ago
The games they put out this gen didn't even run well and they think they need LESS time on a console?
tippytacolako   900d ago | Spam
torchic  +   900d ago
you beat me to it, damn :)
Capt-FuzzyPants  +   900d ago
Well I don't think SE as a whole said it. Julien Merceron said it and he has nothing to do with Versus, so I think the title is a tad bit misleading. He was just sharing his thoughts and his mindset, not the company as a whole. But the only thing that matters is the title right?
dirigiblebill  +   900d ago
Fair point - but he's the worldwide technology director, not some junior designer. Obviously his opinions on hardware are his own, but they have a massive bearing on the company as a whole and it's reasonable to interpret them in that light.

Not sure where you're getting the Versus link from, unless you're responding to another comment there.
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SilentNegotiator  +   900d ago
They can barely release a few games within one console cycle these days and they're complaining that the cycles are too short?

lol
SilentNegotiator  +   900d ago
*too long
Which has nothing to do with the article. What the man said is spot on with our reality today, if only people read the article instead of just the titles.

And then im the troll.
chazjamie  +   899d ago
square enix is no longer relevant. what ever they say is of no importance, what ever they do is futile.
akaakaaka  +   900d ago
so whats your point? maybe they will make ff versus for the ps4 using they beautiful engine.
but since Sony and m$ are suckers for money(like any other corp.) they are extending the life cycle of their old teach.
many sheep loyal fans will suck their dirty cheap moves, but they are stupid. All they do is hurt the hardcore gamer for more money.

by the end of the year we will have the ps4 with game using new and better teach, know we have to wait until maybe next year to enjoy from it and fans will have to wait longer for their favorite ip's.
If ND did a great job in LOU with the ps3 imagine how amazing that game will be using the ps4 teach?
but i guess we will have to wait for that.
avengers1978  +   899d ago
I like the longer life cycle, besides when a new console comes out I want it to be a lot better, not just a tiny bit better. If I am going to invest 400-600 dollars(possible more) than I want it to be for something I have for awhile.
Ranma1  +   899d ago
Squaresoft=One of the best devs to ever exist

Square Enix=.....you know the story
SugarSoSweet  +   898d ago
you said it bro!
sergons  +   899d ago
"I'm very happy with the long lifecycle of the current generation....
... you still see the quality of games improving each year"
Are you an idiot or you are from USA?
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avengers1978  +   899d ago
so games aren't improving on the current generation of consoles... there exactly the same as they were. Cause you know just go to the Call of Duty series, or ASS.Creed series, New Splinter Cell,
The more devs use a system the better they can make games on that system... there have been many improvements over the life cycle of the 360 and PS3... Devs can make better games on both systems then they could a couple years ago, it's up to them to put in the work to make a quality game. So you get some really good games some really bad games a bunch of middle of the road games... but that's true over all platforms and all generations of gaming.
ritsuka666  +   899d ago
The great idea of Square enix in this gen=buy new console now, buy new games, watch amazing cutscenes..forget about gameplay and good games...
N4realGMRZ  +   899d ago
Isn't That Metal Gear?
hkgamer  +   899d ago
Apart from the spelling mistake, you have pretty much summarised every person's thoughts in 7 words.
Knushwood Butt  +   899d ago
Actually reading the article, I don't understand where this guy is coming from. His argument is that some devs have dabbled / moved to the IOS (etc) market, but releasing more powerful consoles would have had no impact on that trend whatsoever. I'd love to know why he thinks otherwise.

I wonder if SE are getting cold feet about Dragon Quest X?
solar  +   899d ago
SE was LOVED around here til they announced FF13 for the 360 as well. what a weird coincidence!!
Imalwaysright  +   899d ago
Go play a Squaresoft game, After you complet it go play a Square Enix game. Only then you will understand the difference!
d3nworth1  +   899d ago
took the words right out of my mouth. When FFv13 comes they can talk all the next gen they want until then they need to stfu and finish the game.
OmegaSlayer  +   899d ago
Can someone mention how many RPG they released for the HD consoles?
colonel179  +   899d ago
I can tell you how many PS3 exclusives they have released: ZERO
koehler83  +   899d ago
My thoughts immediately went to Versus too. Idiots.
Snookies12  +   900d ago
Square (Enix) - Biggest mistake ever.
LiamDirish  +   900d ago
Indeed. When they were Squaresoft they were the best developers on the planet.
segamon  +   900d ago
i'm not 100% sure but yes, most of us can verify that this was the turning point in quality.
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Optical_Matrix  +   900d ago
Says the company that has a game that they announce before this gen started that still isn't out yet. Given Square Enix Japan's console output this generation, they have no place saying this generation is too long. They've barely released any good HD games.
tippytacolako   900d ago | Spam
MWong  +   900d ago
It's funny they really haven't had many blockbusters this cycle. Most of their games this cycle have had average reviews, yet they want a new console. I just think they want a do over.

They speak about the current console lifecycle ... I want to hear some news about FINAL FANTASY VERSUS XIII!!!! Will the real slim shady please stand up.
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dredgewalker  +   899d ago
Maybe they want the next gen consoles to come out so they can have another excuse for the delayed release of FFversus? lol
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Silly gameAr  +   900d ago
Oh, another reason not to give a damn about what Square thinks? I'll take it.
Flatbattery  +   900d ago
What an utter load of crap.

"This generation has been way too long, and I say this because you have a lot of developers that work on a new platform, and perhaps will not succeed, so they will wait for the next generation, and will jump on that platform. You could not do that with this generation though. So these developers went elsewhere to see if the grass was greener."

With that kind of attitude they're gonna be jumping around like frogger anyway, regardless of new hardware. So, they want better hardware yet he only mentions browsers and iOS as the emerging greener grass.
Wizziokid  +   900d ago
If they don't like it they can make games for PC. simple, I'm happy with the console life cycle
If all devs made games for pc then you wouldn't be happy. Enjoy watchdogs on old hardware I guess.
Kurylo3d  +   900d ago
Something tells me watchdogs will not be coming to 360 or ps3.
SilentNegotiator  +   900d ago
And what if he does? Will you need a tissue?
"Watch Dogs coming to Xbox 360 and PS3 'for sure,' producer says"

http://www.joystiq.com/2012...
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Jumper09  +   900d ago
I agree with that.
tippytacolako   900d ago | Spam
TopDudeMan  +   900d ago
That's got nothing on recent mistakes they've made.
green  +   900d ago
I read the article and i mostly agree with what they say. On my own part, i have stopped buying gmaes because there is no longer any innovation i see in the gaming industry. Everything just looks and plays the same. And while some might say it is the developers fault and they may not be wrong, but limited hardware plays a BIG difference.

Imagine if we were still stuck in the PS2/Xbox era. There is not a chance in hell that we would have seen games like Gears of War, Mass Effect, Uncharted Assasine Creed, Red Dead redemption, Bioshock etc.

New hardware not only brings improvement in graphics but also improvements in A.I, physics and playstyle.

Without a doubt, new more powerful hardware, pushes developers to create something new and think outside of the norm because new hardware always brings new possibilities.
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cloud 279  +   900d ago
You have a good point green, but what is the life cycle a gaming console should have? This article suggests life cycle should be only 2-3 years. And 2-3 years doesn't justify the money invested in the gaming console. If 5-7 years then I think it will be good.
green  +   899d ago
I completely agree with you. 2-3 years is ridiculous for a console life cycle. I believe 5-6 years is the sweet spot like we have had with previous gen. An extra year to make it 7 would be acceptable.
tee_bag242  +   899d ago
Cloud, Where does the article suggest console life cycles should be 2-3 years ?

Anyways, 5 years would be the sweet spot for me personally
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jairusmonillas  +   899d ago
New hardware not only brings improvement in graphics but also improvements in A.I, physics and playstyle

^- False. New hardware brings expensive kits, plus more expensive games and more heavy DLC. LOL
green  +   899d ago
That is such a ridiculous statement to make. If that is the case, can you tell me why the original Shenmue on Dreamcast is till this day one of the most expensive games ever made with a dev cost of over $70 million? That is more than the dev cost of all Gears of war games combined.
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Rock_On_PS4  +   900d ago
FF fans waited years and years for FFXIII. FFXIII turned out to be a steaming pile of cr@p. Playing through FFXIII was more of a chore than an enjoyable experience.
Summons75  +   900d ago
"FFXIII turned out to be a steaming pile of cr@p. "

To you, according to sales, reviews, and fans who actually played the game all the way through the game was great. Internet trolls on the other hand who don't play games or play 5 seconds of it before crying say otherwise
Lilioups  +   899d ago
fans hated it
casuals/new comers loved it cause they dont have a single clue what FF was all about

like it or not ff13 is confirmed the worst of the franchise along ffx-2/ff14
SegataShanshiro  +   899d ago
Jesus shut the help up with the sales statistics, that doesn't mean the game is good, it means that a lot of people bought it because it was A FF game......and were disappointed
k2d  +   899d ago
@ Summons75: Don't think too highly of yourself now.. SquareEnix only tend to circle jerk with graphic whores nowadays.
xXKingofStingXx  +   900d ago
Really square? Really? You, gonna talk about mistakes? Wow...
TheGamingArt  +   900d ago
Says the company who made the biggest 'mistakes' this generation....
Dmd  +   900d ago
Biggest mistake ever was FFXIII. Or Release a sequel for that piece of crap. Or announce a game six years too early which is still obscure by now. Choose one...
PooEgg  +   900d ago
Actually I think their biggest mistake this generation was XIV online, but FFXIII was certainly not one of their finest moments either. Regardless when you consider their overall performance this generation they should certainly keep their finger pointing to themselves. As for Versus, they are probably scared to release it, because it is probably a FFXIII clone.

They must be banking on everyone forgiving and forgetting when the new systems come out, but they might be in for a surprise.
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Dmd  +   900d ago
Yes, I've missed that one.
Run_bare  +   899d ago
yeah, I agree with you on that one, though FFXIII-2 was not too bad. I believe sizeable numbers of sensible good employees has left square enix and this moron is one of the left overs.
2v1  +   900d ago
I choose all the above
Qrphe  +   900d ago
FFXIII was the fastest selling game they ever released so it was far from a mistake.
Their only mistake this gen was releasing FFXIV incomplete and not delaying it.
They can delay FFFvsXIII all they want as long as it's complere.
miamicanesruleall  +   900d ago
The only thing square about the guy in this article are his balls.
tigertron  +   900d ago
So, um...where is Versus, Square-Enix?
Dasteru  +   900d ago
Wow ironic, square enix calling other peoples actions the "Biggest mistake ever" FF XIII was the biggest mistake ever, until they released XIII-2. Now it seems that one wont hold its record for long either as XIII-3 is in development. First game failed miserably, maybe 5% tops of FF fans actually liked it. Nobody asked for or wanted a sequal, bam... XIII-2. Again fails miserably, Nobody wants or asks for a sequal... bam FFXIII-3. All the while ignoring all the games people actually have been asking for. And they call others actions the biggest mistake ever? Not sure whether to laugh at their stupidity or cry about my once favorite video game company kicking the bucket.
Honest_gamer  +   900d ago
" First game failed miserably, maybe 5% tops of FF fans actually liked it. Nobody asked for or wanted a sequal, bam... XIII-2. Again fails miserably, Nobody wants or asks for a sequal... bam FFXIII-3"
i wanted a sequal, and as sequals go ff13-2 was one of the better ones this gen, it did something allot of games have trouble doing, improving upon the previous installment, there's no denying ff13 was SHIT that was until you reached chatper 11, about 30 hours in when you actually got to change party members etc, give me your reasons for 13-2 being bad
leahcim  +   900d ago
shut up squenix! .You has been incompetent this gen. I had tremendous amounts of hope for playing a Final Fantasy experience like VII VIII or IX on this new machines, then FF XIII came.... god, am gonna puke on your logo........you used to be my favorite trademark and company since 1985 till 2008 aprox....

If versus XIII is not a marvelous game... Am done with you all
MasterD919  +   900d ago
Coming from the folks over at Square Enix that means....nothing.

Western Developers have been taking advantage of this "biggest mistake ever" cycle and are still making money. Apparently, unlike Square Enix.
Run_bare  +   899d ago
hahaha.. yeah.. look at naughty dog and the rest. I believe they having a crisis now, for future gamers sake, i hope square learn from this mistake and do not take our dissapointment in stride.
Neko_Mega  +   900d ago
They can't really say much because they haven't push any of the systems, maybe after they bring a game out that pushes the 360 and PS3. Maybe then they can say this (if the game is good).
rulakir  +   900d ago
Square Enix sucks today and it's nothing like it was in the 1990's. Longer cycles on consoles is good. Who wants to spend 200-400 dollars every 4-5 years on some new console? Current consoles still have life in them. As technology advances so do the techniques used for developers to make better use of current consoles.
bahabeast  +   900d ago
he kind of makes sense. think about all the great game companies that closed this generation because they either couldnt keep up or wasnt making enough money but i wudnt go as far to say its sony and microsoft fault for trying to make money back on the highly invested consoles. if this generation last 10 years i dnt mind it at all because it was a HUGE LEAP from ps2/xbox1 days. and i see why sony says they wnt be rushing a new console because it deffinately wnt be ad big a leap as the last time and expect next generation to last around 10 years also.
tarbis  +   900d ago
Having Wada as the CEO of Squeenix is the biggest mistake ever.
Ingram  +   900d ago
Square Enix's biggest mistakes ever this generation were diversifying in a thousand mediocre games (how could you afford to fail doing a downloadable tower defense? or new IPs? or the summit of your main IP, in this case FFXIII?) while ignoring and postponing what fans where asking for.

Yes, they capitalized on their still credible name as a top videogame company and made good money on said mediocre games, but at the cost of tarnishing such name forever.

That's called bread for today, hunger for tomorrow, and it was the sole decision of greedy shareholders and dumb executives that should've been fired long ago.

What they're hearing is "I WANT GAMES AND I WANT THEM NOW, WHATEVER THEY ARE" and we're just saying "Hey, if you're going to take 5 or 10 years to make a game, it better be good"
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DivineAssault  +   900d ago
Damnit square! wtf is Valkyrie Profile 3???
Rekkapryde  +   900d ago
The suits at Square have completed ruined that company.
MiyagiSPG  +   900d ago
PS3 cycle ends when Versus is released... man I don't want to wait till 2028 lol :P
Droid Control  +   900d ago
Square: ''This generation has been way too long, and I say this because you have a lot of developers that work on a new platform, and perhaps will not succeed, (Like us) so they will wait for the next generation, (Like we wanted to)and will jump on that platform. (Like we want) You could not do that with this generation though. So these developers went elsewhere to see if the grass was greener.(But we can't because out games are too large and bloated and can only work on consoles not phones. Our game play doesn't work so we want to rely on graphical wow to shift the next FF.)
Over726  +   900d ago
Square Enix should remake PO'd (playstation one game), i mean why not switch the topic.
Tzuno  +   900d ago
haaahahhhhhhh this move is good. As for Squirt-ex go and make a final fantasy game not a movie :))))
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