GR: "A feminist has become the target of threats of physical violence for her confrontation of the game designer who made the game in which players brutalize Anita Sarkeesian."
Ahh, F'ed up people everywhere.
I only did a quick google of this Anita Sarkeesian woman, but her wikipedia description indicates that she probably deserved to have that game of her made. I'm all for women's right and all, but most feminists are just plain hypocritical and bigoted. Go to any feminist forum/blog and youll find out what I mean. They want to blame all their problems on men and say they are all evil when it's pretty clear that they are the ones causing thier own problems. "Needless to say, Guthrie isn’t taking the threat of violence sitting down and has since reported the incident to the Toronto Police." Are you serious? They won't do anything about it. If I had a dime for every death threat i've ever got on the internet...
Not certain who are more absurd, the feminist and her minions, or the people harassing them.
Funny, I googled her as well, and didn't find anything anywhere that had anything bad to say about her. She really seems to be getting a lot of hate for covering something that's important to her... What, based on what you read, suggests to you that she probably deserved this? Glowing article from Kotaku on this woman and her project: http://kotaku.com/5923224/r...
it's attitudes like yours that are the reason feminists exist in the first place. was it women that decided they shouldn't be allowed to vote? no that was men. was it women who decided they should get less pay for doing the same jobs? no, that was men.
"They want to blame all their problems on men and say they are all evil when it's pretty clear that they are the ones causing thier own problems." Only someone who doesn't understand what feminism is would say something as dumb as this. Feminism argues that society is structured in a way to unfairly advantage middle class men first. Post-modernist feminism (where such theories as Queer Theory originate) argues that such structures are self replicating and that we all, including feminists themselves, actively create these conditions and perform our gender roles, in other words gender is performative. The fact that you have so many agree votes in support of your contention that Anita Sarkeesian deserved to have that game made about her when all she's done is raise questions about gender representations* in our favourite pass time kind of proves the overall point. It also underlines the fact that many people who trot out your rather tabloid understanding of what feminism is have a rather fragile and fractious sense of their own gender and its wider role in post-modernity. Frankly, no she didn't deserve to get what she got. It was at best purile and childish and at worst deeply and personally offensive and Steph Guthrie did not deserve the death threats for simply offering support for Anita Sarkeesian. The police in UK actively prosecute such acts and I hope they come down on the perpetrators with a ton of bricks. Basically it's time to grow up guys. *this aside from the fact that exploring the potential representations of gender in a medium that requires you to perform a role that isn't your own from an understanding of gender as performative could be quite an interesting and valuable study.
I never said anything about feminism. I was talking about individual feminists, which give it the bad name it has today. Feminists relate to feminism in the same way PETA relates to animal rights.
We need a game hero to teach those low life gamers a lesson. How does Kazuya from Yakuza sound? The minute you start sending death threats, you are really asking for a beating of a hell time. Only worst of all losers use death threats.
my bad lol
People love hiding behind their computer screens and acting like dirtbags, nothing new.
That's okay, though. Super Big Bros. are here. (government and facebook)
There's no excuse for that. Even if you're having a bad day.
Let's stop discrimination by bitching some more about it. Ppl need to let things bounce off them, ever since I was a kid...what happened to I'm rubber your glue? Is everyone glue now? Man up! If that offended you, woman up? Glue ppl need to find their own planet and bitch there. "I'm looking to a bitching free EARTH"
Did you actually read the entire article, and the Twitter screen caps? Threats are real man. There have been countless examples of stalkers, and threat makers actually making good with their motives. There is NO excuse for this kind of behavior. Lest you forget.... http://www.franksreelreview... What if this was your sister, or mother, or wife? Would you just ignore it, and say "boys will be boys."?
They are manning up. They're reporting these incidents to the police. It takes a lot of courage to stand up to this type of harassment. Physical violence and threats of physical violence should not be tolerated. That's how it starts. How would you like it if it were your friends, family, children living in fear? First they take to the chat rooms, the internet and start harassing people. Gays, women, minorities, etc. Then they start threatening abuse against these same people. Then they get away with it, and it escalates from there. In Canada, where this happened, you're looking at 1 1/2 years for this type of offence. Even in the US, threats of violence aren't covered under the first amendment. I'm sorry, but the idea that this women should just "man up" and shrug off death threats - that's just stupid. I suppose when these same nut jobs actually follow through she should just laugh that off as well?
You are bitching right now X D fail.
You pull a gun I will too.:) It's time the bitched at become the bitchers:)Hopefully 1 day it will cancel each other out;)
Oh I'm not against the reporting, I'm against the feminism (also against anything that guilt trips ppl into position). I agree 100% that dirt bags deserve everything thats coming to them. I would take it a step further and also beat the bad out of them, but I mean not everyone sees my views. I have full respect for what they did, but don't respect what they do. :) I hope this settles the argument. Have a good one! P.S Stop the guilt trips and the history lesson, I was born in 1988. I don't know racism, I don't know sexism. Schools and whiners taught me more about those things than I knew.
People like you give the internet, intellectual enlightenment, gamers and men a bad name.
So being born in 1988 gives you an excuse for being ignorant? Racism, and sexism still exist today. If you paid more attention, and spent time in the world, with a broader collection of people you might be surprised.
@ human analog, it doesn't give me an excuse to be ignorant, but I don't care enough to make it my problem. My point about 1988 is the fact that I wasn't born in a racist or sexist house and I learned all about these stupid things in school. I don't care what happened in 1988 and lower. Not my F*cking problem, you want to bitch about it? Go to the Now Seniors or Gravestones and bitch there. I don't want to get stopped on the street about Black History month or I girl crap. I don't bother them, why should they bother me about other ppl that are doing that to them? @ ArronC07 Ppl like me have balls and put my foot down. I don't cave into these things, and neither should I bullied into supporting these groups. Men are bad, it's true and only because women make them bad by maniuplating them. Remember the saying "man is a candy in a woman's Petri dish"? It's true. I respect women, and have friends that are a wide varied of cultures races and even weight types. None of which tell me everyday by how as a white male, I need to start feeling sorry for the actions of my forefathers. I'm sorry my forefathers were busy trying to stay alive in Communism. Thanks, get over it and understand that life is way better now than it has ever been, be greatful. Fight the power, I agree, but stop bringing everyone into your problems. End.
I'de LOVE to comment, but I am afraid that little abortion survivor will threaten me next.... Oh who am I kidding. I'm not a 98 pound woman.... He won't.
a game hero hmmmmm i wonder can we digitilise Chuck knorris?
Thems fightin words arrrr
I don't know how it is for her, but I take the "threats" of internet people with less than a grain of salt. I'm fully aware of how powerless such people actually are, and instead of being bothered, I find it humorous. It's also usually an indicator that whatever you said/did struck a nerve. At that point, instead of shutting up, like they want you to, that's the time to press on.
I don't condone their behavior at all. It's pathetic and it just degrades the perception of the gaming community as a whole. I think a lot of males are very defensive when it comes to feminists and rightly so. While I know there must be feminists out there that ACTUALLY want true equality, I could list countless high profile feminists and give evidence for their complete and utter lack of intellectual integrity and huge flaws in almost all their arguments and their clear agenda of keeping control while marginalizing men. Take this issue for example. Anita is only looking at one side. The only research she's doing on sexism is purely related to the female side of things while completely ignoring the sexism of men in video games. Immediately we see a bias and to me this invalidates her entire project.
"Take this issue for example. Anita is only looking at one side. The only research she's doing on sexism is purely related to the female side of things while completely ignoring the sexism of men in video games. Immediately we see a bias and to me this invalidates her entire project." EXACTLY! I'm giving you a bubble vote for Intelligence. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.
Why not do your own project then? Why does Anita Sarkeesian have to do both? She's talking about how disappointed she feels when she sees people who are supposed to represent her in games. You can make something talking about how disappointed you feel when seeing people who are supposed to represent you in games, if that's how you feel. Frankly, I'm not sure she'd be qualified to talk about how men feel when they see themselves in games anyways. She's a woman, so that's her perspective. I don't see what men have to be disappointed in! But I don't have a man's perspective. Why not tell us what you think is bad about how men are portrayed? Create your own project to tell a story about why the sexist representations of men in games are bad.
If you're gonna complain about looking bad in games as if it's only happening to you, or whoever supposed to represent you, you have to also show that it's NOT happening to the other side. If you can't do that, then you're complaining about nothing, because everyone is being treated equally. If, around the time of the Civil Rights Movement, white people were equally as oppressed as black people, there wouldn't have been a movement. You have to show that, indeed, things are worse for you than they are for the other side. Only showing your side doesn't mean anything.
I disagree. I can talk about how female characters suck and how they make me feel without referencing men. You can talk about why male characters suck and how they make you feel without referencing women. I generally identify more with the men in games, and I'm not a transexual, or a butchy girl; do you know how weird that is? I mean... the way people talk on here, women aren't allowed to have feelings about the female characters in games. This is part of the problem. Why do some male gamers have to invalidate our feelings? Why can't you say, "Yeah, that's a problem. Here's our problem. Developers, do something about this, too!"
I think I understand where you're coming from, but I think that's a selfish way of thinking. "Why should I do both when only this particular area of the subject affects me?" If you're going to do a research project on sexism in gaming, that encompasses all victims, not just the biggest class or the group that only affects you personally. If every intellect operated that way when conducting research on a subject we would go no where as a society. I would not want to be a citizen of the government that makes decisions based on that terribly inaccurate data. The misogyny might be a lot worse than the misandry in gaming, but it's still there and should be included and by ignoring it says to me Anita isn't interested in true equality or the real truth. As the saying goes, "a good reporter will always get all sides to the story." Having said that, I'll be the first person to say I hate the way females are treated in the gaming community. I'm extremely embarrassed for my gender when I see bullying and harassment targeted at girls just because they're girls. I would love to see a lot more girl gamers but that isn't going to happen as long as they are marginalized, excluded and made fun of by gamers and developers alike.
I suppose you can say it's a selfish way of thinking. But... men have the upper hand in games. I work at a game company. I'm the only female engineer. Up until a year ago, there were three women at my company, and two were administrative. At this point, we have six-- out of around eighty people. None of our designers are female. I don't think there's anything intentional or evil about that, I don't think anyone's going around saying that women would make bad designers or engineers or artists, but it means that the male perspective is heard all the time in games. I've really never heard people talk about the offensive tropes that go with being a straight white man, mostly because the men and women in games are both male fantasies and don't offend men. Do we seriously say that when talking about racism, black people should consider the issues that white people face? That LGBT people should consider the stereotypes of straight people on television while talking about how the media sees them? That the disabled should really think about the hurdles that abled people face when talking about their experiences? The point of these sorts of things is to highlight an issue. It's not to make men feel bad (well, maybe some of the men who make decisions about the games, but not most men). Lots of research is one sided and unbalanced. (In fact most news is. Fox News is unfair and unbalanced, and so is MSNBC.) That doesn't mean we should throw research out, it's why it's important to have many sources when you form your own opinions, which probably aren't going to be carbon copies of any one particular group if they're really your opinions.
They're both wrong
It's all fun and games until someone ends up dead right? I don't really give a damn about this whole debacle, but it has clearly shown gamers up as angry, reactionary, pubescent morons who can't take it when a person has a contrary point of view. This might be one of the stumbling blocks in the argument about games being art if an audience is too easily influenced by baser emotions.
I assume I should feel bad for her? I don't. Let her die. The sooner people stop acting like videos need to be 100% true to life the better. Oh god these women are all sexy oh lord, where are the ugly female main characters.. all the guys are strong.. were are the weak scared men that run away from everything.. why aren't games full of those types of people? Because it'd be f*cking boring. Shut up and have fun. Otherwise die in a fire.
What? This isn't about Anita and her female tropes of video gaming thing. This is about a woman called Steph Guthrie (Someone not associated with Anita except for the fact that she's a feminist) receiving death threats after calling out a bloke on twitter who created a game about beating up Anita Sarkeesian. Either you didn't read the article or you are so enraged over someone having a contrary opinion to your own; you can't see in-between the lines. You should take up meditation. It'll chill you out.
I read about half of that. You fail to realize that Steph Guthrie and Anita Sarkeesian are basically the same person. (meaning in opinion and general stance) Perhaps you, are the one who needs to do some meditation. It may help you get your facts straight.
I am really getting sick and tired of all this feminism/sexism B.S. in gaming news lately. To you women who are reading this and are the type to whine about everything: GROW UP!! THESE ARE @#$%ING VIDEO GAMES OK?! THEY AREN'T REAL! THINGS THAT AREN'T REAL CAN ONLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE IF YOU GIVE THEM THE POWER TOO! That goes for words too. Words can only be a problem if you let them be. I don't condone death threats, but I also don't condone people b*tching about scantily clad women in a game, or a woman getting beat up in a game, etc... IT'S A FRICKIN' GAME! Adult entertainment needs to be risky in order to be entertaining SOMETIMES! Not always, but people would get bored of the same ol' same ol' PG themes. Just because something happens in a game, doesn't mean it is a reflection of REAL LIFE! REAL feminists don't waste their time b*tching about these things. They actually go out and DO something about women's equality and setting good examples for future women. How would you like your daughters to view you? As a person who b*tches about everything, or as a woman who leads a good life, doing her best to prove that she's just as good or better at something than any man? LEAVE THIS CRAP OUT OF GAMES! THEY'RE JUST FRICKIN' GAMES FOR GOODNESS SAKE! /rant
No. They're not just frickin' games when you use someone's face and advocate beating her up. They're not just frickin' games when you're threatening someone on Twitter for thinking your game is scary. I suppose we should have games where your face is on a "cut the d*** off" game, with your address posted on the side and forums full of angry people saying they'd like to do it for real? After all, it's just a game, right? I mean, really. The original crap is using a real woman's face to advocate beating her up. Virtual or not, that's really, really threatening. If you don't see that it's threatening, I don't know what to say, because we must live in different worlds. And to come off of that onto these twitter messages? Honestly, it sounds like the guy is a psychopath. I'd be scared of him.
Yeah, it is just a frickin' game. You're ignoring the chain of events. Woman A plays a game she finds scary. Instead of taking it in the original context that IT ISN'T REAL, woman A decides she's offended and confronts the developer because she thinks she's doing some kind of service for womankind everywhere. She knows that the majority are either completely unaware of the game, or won't necessarily view it as she does, but she feels like it's her duty to talk for people she doesn't know and have her opinion be expressed as the collective "woman" opinion of said game. Her words are seen by Psychopath A who has mental stability issues and the protection of internet anonymity which allows him to feel like he can say anything he wants and get away with it. Psychopath A deserves mental evaluation for his sick words BUT would have never been able to say anything to Woman A had she not been offended by fiction. Do you see where I'm getting at? I'm not condoning death threats, I'm not saying she shouldn't be legitimately frightened even if the possibility of these threats being carried out is low. I'm saying feminism and gaming don't mix and don't belong near each other. And by the way, your exaggeration is pointless and sad. Go ahead and make that game with my address on it, I won't care. Why is that? Well because it's a game. It isn't real. I'm not going to blame game developers or the medium for mental problems of psychopaths. If that's all we did in every form of expression, then there would be very little we'd be allowed to say because everything would have to be censored so as not to offend someone's sensibilities and thus start a domino effect resulting in death threats. The game isn't responsible for the death threats, the people involved in this story are.
That's not what I read here. Perhaps we are reading different articles? Woman A thinks that women are portrayed badly in games. She starts a successful Kickstarter project. Man B sees this, and creates a beat her up game because... well, I don't know. I can't see any context where this is ok, because he's using Woman A's actual real life picture. Woman C plays the game, goes WTF, and complains because it's offensive. Psychopath D starts up with death threats against Woman C. (Granted, I thought it was Man B when I first wrote the comment.) There's a hell of a difference between censoring everything and saying that using someone's picture to make a beat-them-up game is over the line. I'm not about to make that kind of game about you because it's wrong to make it in the first place. I can't see how you don't understand that it's a terrible thing to do to someone.
But..I'm just saying..if all the women in the world disappeared today, we would fuckin cry + kill each other...we got to chill out on chicks (lol..i mean women)
just, wow. even with my pessimistic view of the gaming community, i'm shocked at the kind of responses i'm seeing here.
I'm not. A majority of gamers can't take it when it comes to opinions contrary to their own limited viewpoint that they have as entitled manchildren.
I love women, but I hate feminists, they don't want equality. The world is a sad place when you are accused of being sexist by holding a door for a lady.
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