Nintendo responded to Microsoft’s allegation that Mario’s next home is nothing more than a Xbox 360. It may or may not be the response you expected.
I'm primed for the WIi U's launch. I need to buy a bigger external HDD, and save up a little bit more for Wii U software.
The whole console isn't the same, but I really think the controller took it too far. The shape and triggers make it look exactly like a 360 controller (Pro Controller). That being said, no one should say that the Wii-U is effectively an XBOX 360, because it obviously isn't. But the Wii-U is just not my cup of tea, I'll wait for more hardcore games to come out before purchasing one.
A x360 with free online and Nintendo games? I am all for it.
Yea... wait for Xbox 360 and PS3 to show the next espn, facebook, MLB, Netflix, Hulu, App, blog, person intergration... where are the Hardcore games at?
It has Mario, Metroid & Zelda plus Halo & Gears with free online play? WOW this must be much better than 360 then.
That would be Microsoft. Sony doesn't make an entire show out of social or sports features. @victorGma21, Haha, if the Wii U is an Xbox 360 with free online play but with Nintendo games, then that would be the first Xbox system worth keeping (for me at least). I just wish it was a bit more next-gen-ish, because... you know... it's been 6 years.
This is more of a reason that they should have done a console together. Nintendo has the first party games ms needs and ms has the design nintendo wants. Plus we wouldnt have to buy two different consoles. Sonu has tons of exclusives so its not like they will hurt from this happening.
the next console i will buy will be a next generation console; like how i make my purchase every new generation... sorry nintendo, try keeping up next time please.
NathanExplosion I was just kiddin. I want next gen hardware on this thing because I don't want another "wii situation".
There are PC controllers that, while not made specifically for Xbox, look like Xbox controllers no less than this does. I'm talking identical colors and triggers, moreso than this even.
Your not saying the 360 is hardcore are you? Seriously i wouldn't listen to microsoft when it comes to hardware or software.
I don't think it's Microsoft's place to say what the Wii U is/isn't. In fact I think it's quite shameful that they have to so blatantly talk about their competition in such a manner, something that you don't see Nintendo or Sony doing. Maybe Microsoft should spend their time more wisely, by perhaps making some decent software for Kinect or something. Also, @AAACE5, you might not know this but the original PlayStation was actually a joint venture between Sony and Nintendo making a console together. If I recall correctly however, Nintendo disagreed with Sony's idea of making a CD-based system and so their relationship fell apart and Nintendo opted to make the N64 instead while Sony pushed the PlayStation out themselves. It would be interesting to see how the industry would be right now if Nintendo had stuck with Sony for the release of the original PlayStation.
@jimbobwahey... actually the deal fell apart due to mone y! Sony wanted morerevenue from the deal than nintendo was willing to give, primarily because they did virtually all the work. That was one of nintendos biggest mistakes! Nintendo wanted a cd addon to compete with sega. They really didnt believe cd gaming was anything more than a fad, which is why the n64 released with a cart format. Trust me i have paid close attention to the games industry for some 20 years. I always have a general idea of what goes on.
LOL! Sony doesn't talk smack? Have we forgotten the father of Playstation? Some of his choice quotes: "Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan [karate master], and Microsoft is still not a black belt." "one cannot expand the current console gaming world by merely raising the graphic resolution and processing power of past consoles. The result of that decision [the Xbox 360] is not a next-generation Xbox, but an "Xbox 1.5" "The current Xbox will become antiquated once the new machine comes out this November. When that happens, the Xbox will be killing itself. The only way to avoid that is to support 100 percent compatibility from Xbox 360’s launch date, but Microsoft won't be able to commit to that. It's technically difficult." Ironically, the PS3 now lacks this very feature that Ken touted! "We want consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one.' We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else." Sony doesn't talk smack about their competition, they talk smack ABOUT THEIR CUSTOMERS TOO! You should google "Ken Kutaragi Quotes". It's a lot of fun how so many thinks Ken ridiculed has actually propelled MS ahead of Sony.
The controller does resemble a 360 controller and to me it still isn't next gen. It's a step up from the Wii, but it's not on the same level as a 360 or PS3. If this is their attempt at trying to outdo the Xbox 8 or PS4 then they would have failed miserably, because all of those casual gamers they found with the old wii won't be buying this one. To be a company that seems to not follow the crowd, they sure as hell found a way to copy a controller to it's exact specifics. Not a glimpse of change even down to the button labeling. Everyone says that companies copy one another, but what did MS copy? @Jimbobway Are you delirious?! Sony backed out the DOLPHIN build because they wanted more money because they were doing all the work. Nintendo wanted them to make the drive for them to compete with Sega, but they realized they weren't getting paid enough, so they put out their own system. Nintendo stayed with cartridges, but they became too expensive to manufacture. That's why they weren't releasing as many titles as Sega and Sony. When MS entered the game they came out with ethernet support and XBL right out the gate. Sony had to make a "network adapter," afterwards because they too(like nintendo) weren't to sure how fast online gaming would catch on. That's why both are playing catch up til this day.
@orangeskittle Dude you are one of the worst trolls on this site.. For starters you have NO clue what you are talking about. Nintendo was the one who backed out of the deal with sony because nintendo wanted to keep the system cartridge based and left sony holding the financial windfall.. So they decided to push forward and wound up ushering in a new era of video games. Also sony had been developing the online component of the ps2 since before it launched.. This is why they included the expansion port on the back of the system. They were waiting for the bandwidth to catch up to the idea. At the time it was all dial up and was cumbersome to connect online. It wasn't them "playing catch up" as you put it.. Microsoft was the first to develop their own online infrastructure as far as home consoles go yes.. But they also had the resources to do it... Stop misconstruing information its unbecoming...
"The Wii U Pro Controller is an enhanced version of the Classic Controller Pro that has been designed specially to work with the Wii U console."
Wouldn't you just make an enhanced version of the Gamecube controller instead...least then it's more unique looking compared to the X360/PS3 controller.
This is the wiiu game pad with out the screen. Plus it pretty much is the Ngc controller. Plus the CPU is a power7. Plus this system has first party support. Has free networking and a hand held that connects to it. Plus they know they can't beat it spec wise because the kinect v2 is going to cost way more than the wiiu game pad lol plus the tech would put it in laptop range. A 16 core console lol is a red ring of death waiting to happen and they know it otherwise they would have shown it this E3.
@scissor_runner - No it's pretty much an X360 controller with the right stick and buttons in each others place. Actually it is an X360 controller with the two in each others place.
Going to miss the GameCube controller.... Had good times with it since I got a GameCube and a wii.... Why they stop making it compatible?
As an oxford graduate and a masters degree in techmonology. I have assesed and come to conclosion that this is virtualy an XBOX 360 taped together with the wii, it is therefore the real successor to the XBOX360.Did u see wat i did, i just gave u guys the secret to next gen top secret. You have to respect my intelligent and honesty.
I was once regarded as a champion of oxford university. My quick and calculated assesment of intrest has always been my strongpoint.
Thank you for reading my replies and statements. I hope i have enlightened you in this godforsaken age of unemployed biggots and cesspool of bad taste gamers. Thank you.
The xbox 360 is arguably the best controller in the industry.
I think there a lot of fanboys haven't gotten over the notion that WiiU is at least 2x 360/PS3... It's next gen Nintendo haters, get over it.
Lol, 2x makes it next. I see you in every article about WiiU. Constantly defending it, pretending to have real information on specs and saying haters don't know the specs. News flash, you don't know any more then anybody else. All you know is what you saw, same as everyone else. Only difference is ps3/360 crowd wasn't impressed with last years games, a 2D Mario, a Pikmin game that was started on the Wii, and a party game with fireworks. Enjoy asymmetric gaming, while the rest of us play real multiplayer.
Having great graphics never stops someone from getting submerged into the story. Some of the best stories this gen have had great graphics and even the first Bioshock game had great graphics for the time it released. Sometimes it really pisses me off when people say "Would you rather have great graphics or a great game?" Why not have both? Go play pong or Mario bros 1 and then tell me graphics don't matter. Why ask for a FF7 remake if you don't care for graphics. Better yet, why the hell did you go out and spend a 1000 bucks on a 1080p TV for your consols if graphics ain't important. Exactly, graphics are just as important as games with good stories and gameplay but I guess people who started gaming on 8 bit machines are the only ones who truly know this.
its a 360 with instead of opy and paste cod games copy and paste mario games
at least you'll not see little homophobics playing it cuz it is too childish for their brown/gray taste...
Wii U is going to be weak and be poor in comparison to the success of the Wii
Maybe go back in time and re-read the comments on the Wii launch. No one could imagine the success that console had. So... we'll see what happens. Interesting times are coming (again).
lol @ the Spencer comment: 'They are building a platform that is effectively a 360 when you think of graphical capability. Now they are really making an on-ramp for the back catalog of games that are on 360. It is easy for those games to move over the Wii U. They’ve moved the buttons around, and they’ve made a controller that feels familiar for 360 gamers, so I get why they are putting those pieces together.' So apparently, Nintendo has built a console comparable to the 360, and a comparable controller so that Xbox 360 owners can use it when they buy games they've already played/had access to? Wow. He should take a page from the Iwata playbook, and try not to comment on other companies consoles anymore.
Why? He's 100% correct. Nintendo stole the 360 controller almost exactly. Moved a stick where the buttons are and the buttons where the stick was. And we all know the hardware is weak, marginal power increase over what is already out slapped some nintendo stickers on it and call it "next gen". THE INNOVATION!!
Right... For your info (because you're either a relatively new gamer, or willfully ignorant) the Game Cube controller was roughly that shape, which of course was derived from the N64 controller, which of course was derived from the SNES controller. Now did Nintendo shape this controller in this way in order to attract gamers who prefer a CLASSIC controller design? Yes. Has MS improved on the old Nintendo style controllers some? Yes depending on which features you're talking about, and which gamers you ask. But what controller on the market today doesn't owe at least some key and necessary features to Nintendo innovation? (Hint hint, analog stick and shoulder/trigger buttons, diagonal 4 face button display, etc.) Anyhow, my original comment wasn't even about that so much as it was about how absurd it would be for Nintendo to 'copy Microsoft' in order to woo Xbox gamers who've already played or had access to the games he (Spencer) is talking about. But I guess that flew right over your head since you went on a misguided rant about that... Word of advice. Expand your horizons, take your eyes away from the pinhole view, and perhaps even consider the value of enjoying and respecting all sides rather than choosing one before you decide to take part in such a conversation. We as gamers can do better than that.
"Word of advice. Expand your horizons, take your eyes away from the pinhole view, and perhaps even consider the value of enjoying and respecting all sides rather than choosing one before you decide to take part in such a conversation." Ironic statement of the day. First of all, perhaps Spencer was talking about two different things? The Nintendo crowd gets 360 ports they missed out on last gen, and the Xbox crowd gets to play Nintendo games on an Xbox 360 controller. You put words in his mouth and made him sound like an idiot, when his statement makes sense. More than that, he's probably right. Secondly, take another look at the controller lineage you just mentioned. If you think the Pro controller looks more like the GC controller than the Xbox 360 controller, you're the one that's willfully ignorant. The Pro controller is an exact copy of the shape on the Xbox 360 controller. Look at the picture in the article that's split down the middle. The contours are identical. Nintendo also copied the shoulder buttons and the triggers. The only thing different is the positions of the face buttons and right stick, which have been swapped. Nintendo was the first to revive the analog stick on consoles, and they invented shoulder buttons. Sony gave us two analog sticks and double shoulder buttons, then they made the shoulder buttons analog. This paved the way for the Dreamcast's triggers. Sega also made it's analog stick the primary movement over the D-pad. Microsoft threw everything together and gave it a comfortable shape. Nintendo has been playing catch-up since the N64 era with traditional controllers. GC borrowed from the DualShock, Wii Classic borrowed from the DualShock, and Wii U Pro completely copied the X360 controller. It's understood that each new controller iteration will build on other's success, but Nintendo took their "inspiration" too far with their design. Sorry for the rant, I know the controller thing isn't your main point, but it's absurd for Nintendo fans to ignore the blatant copying of MS's controller. Not only that, but you called him ignorant for seeing the obvious, which you seem to miss.
@TruthbeTold - I assure you, I am not "new" to gaming or ignorant, unlike you appear to be if you don't see the obvious in front of you. The Wii U in many ways is like the xbox 360 whether you would like to agree or not is up too you. I know this kills Nintendo fans, especially when there main point about why they love Nintendo is they always innovate. Unfortunately for them this "next gen" console of theirs has probably the least innovation of any console they have released or has been released in recent memory. Half of the launch lineup has been out on other consoles for coming up on a year now and the Pro controller is so obviously a copy of the X360 gamepad it's too blatant to ignore unless you are "willfully ignorant".
Didn't Microsoft try a similar tactic when the Wii released? Didn't they keep banging on about the Wii60?
That wasn't Microsoft, it was gamer's in general suggesting that people buy a Wii and Xbox 360 for the same price as a PS3. *Edit* @Apocalypse Shadow Calm down sparky, I heard it from fellow gamer's, I never heard it from Microsoft. A lot of gamer's that I knew at the time were pushing it as the Wii60 option.
microsoft suggested that gamers should buy a 360 and wii.it was not GAMERS...
research...it's good for you....
microsoft's way of using a competitor to gain standing against another.also making them seem like they are the market leader when they are not.
and just to make you feel better,sony took microsoft's comment and MIRRORED it..
yeah, thought so. It's a clever way of making people think of your product when talking about another. A bit similar to when they used the LBP music for an advert
I think graphics and story/singleplayer sort of go hand in hand. Great graphics are usually not enough for any gamer, because well, we aren't paying $60 for an animated video. Although, graphics can compliment gameplay by making the story and individuals seem so much more real and believable, particularly in RPGs. I think it really just boils down to preference.
this control+ 3ds fail+weak lineup and overall flip flopping back n forth playing catchup = desperate....
3DS is a fail? Considering that the 3DS has sold 18 million handhelds worldwide compared to it's nearest competitor can hardly be called a fail. Desperate.
you + your lame comment = Big wet fart
Micrsoft says that it is a 360 because the wii u is getting a good amount of games on 360 and is going to share games with 360. Would that not make a 360 a p3 or a ps3 a 360, was the ps2 effectively an xbox? There are many things to look at between the two consoles besides the graphical capabilities. The gamepad sets it apart from every other console, miiverse is something new(may or may not work, who knows) and offers a great deal of social aspects to online play not seen with other consoles, then all consoles have exclusives which is what really sets them apart. Ok now for the graphics. May not be a ps2 to ps3 leap, but it is a more powerful console, and the graphics will be better. The Wii U differs from the 360 in every way besides using a controller and needing to plug it in to an outlet.
Nobody is interested in reading this wall of texts.
I was. Why don't you try contributing something intelligent to the conversation next time.
Vita is more powerful then the 3DS and the 3DS is doing pretty fine. A Xbox720/PS4 will be more powerful then a WiiU and guess what? I'm pretty sure the WiiU will still be doing great.
If wiiU has a lot of 1st party games then it's nothing like xbox.
Whilst it does have a lot of 1st party games none of them really attract the audience they are trying to convert. How on earth are you going to convince a typical cod gamer to come play with his new friends Mario and Link?
The Xbox has lots of 1st party exclusives. But 90% of them are for kinect. so its exactly like the Wii u because most of the exclusives are for casual gamers.
Lmao comparing Mario , Zelda, SSB and Metroid Prime with the kinect garbage is a sign of delusion. Nintendo's 1st party games are some of the best in the industry while kinect games are just garbage much like the device itself.
i don't think so but one thing both N and MS know how to do is make sequels upon sequels one console give us: halo,gears,forze other: mario,zelda,metroid. while we do blame MS for making same games why has N been able to make the same 3-5 games for last 20 years? you compare sony's IP count of quality games and they are still more than N and MS combined This gen i bought ps3/xbox360. and next its ps4/wii-u just because N in HD is a lot more interesting than another forza or halo title IMO
Yeah, like I want to play Mario cart for the 15th time. /s
What I am really struggling with, why did Nintendo feel it was important to roll out the WiiU Pro controller? Isn't the whole concept of the WiiU wrapped around their new WiiU pad? I mean talk about a mixed message... "Our new WiiU and WiiU pad are going to revolutionize gaming, unless you don't like it in which case we have this regular old controller that you can use instead...no bells, no whistles...game will play the same more or less...really you don't need our WiiU pad if you don't want to use it. Oh and the pro controller that you don't need but may want because the WiiU pad isn't as great as we said it might be is an additional cost."
The mixed message will be the hit Nintendo is willing to take. They can't be the only console next gen that's a one trick pony when it comes to consumer demographics. Well I said Nintendo doesn't want to be the only console next gen with only casual appeal despite the 360 being the only console to achieve wide appeal(grandma-pc techie). The MS responses to Nintendo's constant remarks really show Nintendo feeling pressure from MSFT's strategy. None of this will mean squat if Nintendo doesn't partner with a top notch software team and or has a weak online implementation tech.
Actually it's because they wanted to accommodate gamers who don't want to use the screen in every game they play. Curse a company for providing options, I guess.
I don't see anything mixed about it at all. Every console has different control options. No one option is perfect for every game. Microsoft has Kinect, but they don't force every Kinect-enabled game to only use Kinect, and no controller. That's because Kinect alone doesn't work for all games. Kinect AND a controller doesn't work for all games. Even a controller doesn't work for all games. Nintendo released a "classic" or whatever it's called controller for Wii, because a Wii remote doesn't work for all games. Sony has Sixaxis and Move, but again, it doesn't fit with all games. Not every Move enabled game requires Move. Not every Move game would work with a controller. There's no mixed message. It's just Nintendo acknowledging the fact that not every game needs to be played with a giant controller with a screen built in. The player's want, need, and benefit are different for different people for different games. No controller is a one-size fits all solution. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony, and even PC developers all realize that.
I think he means how their whole ad campaign basically revolves around the new screen controller.
I think its because that pad is gonna cost around $200 bucks for a 2nd controller lets see you kids buy a few of those plus the system when it comes out :) Not gonna happen.People are gonna have one cool controller to use in the house then these lame one.Pretty stupid if u ask me.
Is a copy but why not copy the best control? WiiU is not for me.................i'll be waiting for ps4 and 720.
well how come the xbox 1 and 360 controlers reminds me of dreamcasts controler?
Because it is a copy of the Dreamcast's controller. Just some people have selective memories.
There's a difference between inspiration and copying. It blows my mind that people can't see this. The Dreamcast didn't have shoulder buttons, black and white buttons, or a right analog stick. The shape is also entirely different. Also, there's no area for a VMU on the Xbox controllers. It's understood that companies will "borrow" ideas from each other. Perhaps we're reaching an area of diminishing returns, but the difference between this new Pro controller and the MS X360 controller is extremely small.
I love the 360 controller, I'm all for more like it..
Wii U will be better then the 360 was on launch and have less faliure rate.
Youd hope they could perfect technology thats over 6 years old by now. I mean how many bugs and kinks can there possible be left to figure out?
Although graphics are good it does not make a game its story and depth, just a couple monthes ago i took out and dusted off the old ps2 and played canis canem edit (bully) this was made by rockstar the story on this game was great the graphics were descent bad compared to now but decent it was the story that made me play the game that like san andreas i played over and over starting a new game over and over just to play through the story
odd nintendo calls it a pro controller. you know what most of us is typing with right now? that is a pro controller k e y b o a r d