"There was once a time when consoles had something that PCs didn't have. They were cheaper, easier to use, more convenient. They dominated the market because they dominated our need to be lazy and catered to. Then this generation happened.
The more one considers the value that the 360 and PS3 have for the end user, the less one is able to justify their existence. Outside of a handful of exclusive games, what edge do they have? What makes them a superior choice? Nothing, declares the Jimquisition. Nothing."
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"Outside of a handful of exclusive games, what edge do they have?"
Back with the gamecube and other systems, consoles felt so much easier to just plug and play, but now consoles are trying to emulate PC styles while still operating under some false idea of keeping a gated console ecosystem.
Something's gotta give.
's just how it is. sadly not many of you have the gall to see what is in front of you and admit to its obvious validity.
I completely agree. It's so much easier to just play a game on a console as opposed to a PC. Take note that I'm upgrading my PC this month. I'm a PC gamer as well as a console gamer, and I still stand by my statement.
And, bitch, a "handful" of exclusives? really?
and if you want enhanced multiplats, it's gonna cost you... and if you can build a PC less than $700 that's significantly better or if its even as good, not having console exclusives is an even bigger cost on top of that, plus isn't it pricy to keep having to upgrade every different part? idk im a PC newb.
and maybe you can, but how easy and how good does it look (if you can) hook up a PC to a 60inch LEDtv with a powerful amb and speakers? do monitors (which support PC visuals the best) even come in that size? cuz my cousin hooked up his gaming rig to his and mine samgsung and sony bravia and it didnt look as good as his little ass monitor.
and correct me if i'm wrong but isn't it more likely for a PC HDD to crash than a Consoles? and your PC can get hacked and or get a virus 20X more likely then a consoles.
and PC's shooters are full of hacks, mods and glitchers which make it a bad experience online imo. unless they fixed this.
consoles are more tied together as far as a fun community goes, unless they have something like Xbox live that i am unaware of where you can see all of your friends and what games they are playing and jump in and join different games together in a snap of a finger etc.
Ps3 and Xbox 360 use the same hdd on pcs and laptops
On steam you can see what your friends are playing and can jump right in their mo games
Now I won't get into a rant about a handful being subjective, but time and time again passion (cough..fanboyism..cough) leads to parties on both camps listing EVERY exclusive in a console's library.
That being said, there's enough proof in that pudding for consoles being a consumer's choice.
Most people own a PC or a laptop...its not like the hardware is obsolete. But not everyone 'games' on them. Are the graphical specs on PC's built for gaming more powerful? Sure. But the cost/time/money convenience of consoles is undeniable.
Hence why they are the primary choice for gamers. For me...console (for gaming) all the way.
Red ring of death? But I suppose with a console you can pop it open and fix any problems you have? Right?
Do consoles have a HDD or SSD? If its a HDD then its no different than on PC. Mine are quite a few years old and still chugging along. If my drive crashes I'll just go out and get another and plug it in, problem solved. I might even get an SSD.
@Emilio_Estevez.
Most mods are easy to install. Games like Skyrim have a mod manager or use the Steam Workshop.
As far as problems are concerned, I personally have had very few issues. They were related to copy protection and DRM, which is why I chose to use Steam exclusively. This is only my experience, but I have never had issues with my games on Steam.
I'm not arguing the superiority of the PC as far as ease of use, just pointing out flaws in a couple arguments. For me PCs can be more difficult at times. But fixing those problems can be far easier and much faster than some think. With just basic computer knowledge you can build a PC. As far as software issues are concerned, the internet is all you need.
PCs can be more complicated, but if that's the price for an open platform, I gladly pay it.
So yes, I see that as a major edge. Is this really what we've come to as a community? Arguing over petty indifference when at the end of the day it's about the games?
That IS the edge. His comment/argument is sooo much like the little kid in that Bad Teacher commercial...about who is better LeBron or Jordan? Here ~ http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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welcome to 2012 Jim!
It's not necessarily an oversight rather than focusing on his points. Yes, every console has its own identity with its exclusives; but who can't figure that out on their own already? Each has their own "mascots" that consumers know is specifically for that system to begin with.
I personally think that by strictly focusing on the major cons that been with PC gaming for quite some time and how some of those problems mirror what we're seeing on this gen consoles his argument has less "unnecessary fluff."
Desktops are being phased out for laptops and now tablets, and many of the desktops in homes, are workstations or personal computer for the entire family, so gaming isn't it's primary use.
Also with consoles you just stick the game in for you machine, and you're ready to play (in most cases). With PC games it's not always so simple. Sometimes you have to install the game, or check to make sure your settings are the best for you computer, and if you want an optimal experience then you may have to upgrade you GPU and RAM. And even though all of those things are easy for any person with a bit of tech knowledge, together it's too much for the average consumer.
It's dozens of them per system.
It's accessibility.
More comfortable.
Everyone's at the same level.
No stressing about keeping up.
Local multiplayer.
Ready to play right out of the box.
People don't buy consoles to use them as PCs. Everyone already has a PC, so they get a console for pure gaming purposes.
PC gamers are not going to convince console gamers of anything and vice-versa.
1) Ease of use - even for digital distribution games: ever tried downloading and playing a game on steam, waiting for it to download only so that a three step installation process of DirectX,DotNet,SomeOtherCrap will take forever? And then the game will try to auto-set the graphics to the wrong resolution, crashing on an error message that you'll have to google only to realize that your ATI/Nvidia drivers are out of date?
Sure, consoles are also getting more cumbersome with mandatory installs, updates and whatnot. But the story above is the PC experience for you - and that is a huge disadvantage for people who want a relatively hassle-free experience.
2) Ease of development: You have to pay royalties to Ms/Sony/Nintendo but you get something in return: a fixe hardware that will guarantee your game will work exactly the same on every unit sold. Good luck having that on the PC, with so much variance in hardware configuration that you can't really code efficiently or rely on any machine having enough free memory because everything goes through the OS, you need to downscale graphics and cater to the lowest common denominator or otherwise you risk of loosing some of the customer base (mostly laptop owners who probably constitute half of the PC market today), and QA becomes a nightmare since you have to check your game on thousands of different hardware configurations.
3) Leveled playing field. Multiplayer is just better on consoles because you know that people are using the same hardware and peripherals: no people who pay more for 200DPI mouse or keyboards with auto-programed shortcuts will get an unfair advantage. It's harder to hack console games and run unverified code with aimbots, wallhacks and what not.
It's not perfect of course, with glitches still being abused like hell until the developers sort them out. But it's much better than the state of play on the PC, and the risk of getting your entire console and profile banned forever (especially on the X360 where online still costs money) is a serious turnoff for most of the cheaters.
That's about it (there's also the issue with developers sometimes butchering the PC version and cutting features like offline co-op or not supporting gamepads of messing up the aspect ratio - but that's entirely they're fault). But these main points (outside a handful of exclusive games) are very important from both players and developers perspectives.
vise versa......
Play this on your ps3..
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Third person adventures & sports is the oly think console have now over pc.
Uncharted 1,2,3 = third person.
Infamous 1,2 = third person.
Heavy rain = third person.
Beyond = third person.
God of War 3 & Ascension = Third Person.
Last Guardian = third Person.
ratchet and clank = third person.
The Last Of Us = Third Person.
Ps3 has best third person games!
Shooters, Stragegy, MMORPG, Mech Games, Variety of Racing Sims, Simulators, 1000's of Indie Games, Free Content = PC!
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Gta 4
Saints row 3
Max Payne 3
Spec ops the line
Assassins creed series
Console gamers quite often argue their system of choice with upcoming games, so the entire foundation of your statement is invalid.
The point is not about when the games are coming out but rather that the prior statement can be made either way. Both platform have their fair share of exclusives. Saying one platform is better than the other based on it having exclusives is a very grasping at straws argument.
I just choose not to.
Why? Because nearly EVERYONE including console gamers already own a PC.
It's a choice, like many other console gamers make for various reasons.
It doesn't make you an elite member of an exclusive gaming club to be able to play PC games. It's whether or not you give enough of a f*** to keep up with the hardware.
Anyway, if you're only playing on one system(PC or console) then you're missing out. I don't, because I diversify every now and then :)
'StrongMan' wasn't dissing PC, so that post you made was unnecessary.
He was making a good point as to why HE plays his PS3. He wasn't attacking or saying that PCs don't have any exclusive games (as unheard of as they may be... trollololol)
But think about why these games are exclusives, the studios are owned or get paid by Sony. Imagine how good uncharted or infamous would look on the pc, but that will never happen thanks to Sony.
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Also Sony already removed Onlive from bluray players & Have not removed Gaikai from the pc.
1 Year ago..
“There are a variety of OSes,” he added. “But we’re focusing first on Android. There’s also Windows, iOS and so forth, but we don’t have the resources to make it compatible with everything from the start.” - Kaz Harai
http://www.vg247.com/2011/0...
hmm what technology would make games compatible on ps3, psp, psVita android, ios & windows from the start?
Think about it..
I guess they have the resource now..
Funny for all that power, your still wanting console exclusives ported to pc to play, is the pc really that stale.
Thanks to sony, it's their product dumbass, i am really tired of all you cheap ass gamers wanting every game to be multiplatform or tailored to your platform.
Consoles will always be inferior to pcs, because they are a small closed system and can't be upgraded with the latest and greatest.
Anything beyond the technical aspescts is just an opinion piece.
His point isn't anything new or unique, he's just repeating an observation most of us have noted years ago and blowing it completely out of proportion to get people riled up. While the gap in ease-of-use between consoles and PCs has gotten smaller, it's still a giant one. Anyone who tells you otherwise is sensationalizing.
he is the only person in the gaming journalism world who speaks his mind and doesn't care if he doesn't get his review copy of a game.which IMO is why a lot of journalists keep there trap shut.
you should watch all his videos and see exactly how much sense he talks.
i have liked jim for a long time now NOT just because of this video.
are more expensiv
are much more hassle
Also, I'd like to point out that indie =/= worse than AAA titles. In fact, there's a number of them that could teach AAA games a couple of new tricks, so...
2. Well, they certainly are a hell of a lot more expensive, I'll give you that, but...
3. Much more of a hassle? No, I'll have to disagree with you there. people REALLY like to exaggerate the difficulty of PCs. If you can install a game on your PS3 or whatever, know that it isn't really any harder to do that on PC.
"But what about all of the driver problems!" Haha, your drivers either automatically update or they come up and inform you that there's a new update and that you should download. It really isn't hard to update your drivers.
"But I like sitting on my couch, it's more comfortable!" As said in the video, you can hook up your PC to your TV and play games in 1080p rather than 720p.
"The controller is more comfortable." Well, if people didn't figure out that they could plug their controllers into the PC for this long, they have problems.
"What about all of those problems that come with the PC, like FOV issues and mouse acceleration?" Most of the time, you can very quickly and easily look for an FOV line in the game's config file. If not, there are a growing number of programs (Flawless Widescreen, for instance) that fix the FOV problems by giving you a slider that goes to about 110, among other options. For mouse acceleration or mouse smoothing problems that can't be resolved through a config file, there's almost always someone who's released a fix for that.
Look, if I knew how to make my PC work nearly any game when I was 12 (I'm 15 now) there's no reason in the world that adults can't do the same. 10 seconds in Google will solve most of the problems that you couldn't figure out already. Trust me, PC gaming really isn't much of a hassle at all.
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And those are just the exclusives. (Not even including indie titles which number in the hundreds)
The PS3 and 360 combined don't have half as many games.
Games on consoles coats anywhere from $5-$20 more for the same exact title.
Moreover that same game on the PC runs smoother, looks better and has in may cases community mods for said game all free.
If you add up all the games you have bought on your console that are also on the PC, that alone cost you more $$$ depending on how many games you buy a year.
Obviously StraightPath, your path is crooked and you do not PC game.
Seriously, you prefer consoles and I prefer my PC. Which is why I don't own any consoles. I'm content with what I have just like you.
Very well said. :)
Well that's your problem , anyone with half a brain doesn't care.
It's true, without exclusive games, consoles have no edge over the capabilities of a PC. None. I love companies that support their consoles with exclusive games though since that is what makes them unique and appealing.
@ StraightPath...
WTF, did you recently awaken from brain surgery? PC don't have any games? PC has and continues to get more exclusive games than most current consoles combined, whether they're retail, downloadable and/or indies. And when you factor emulators into what a PC can run, that's hundreds of thousands of games from previous generations. Don't talk nonsense.
Plus, PCs are more expensive if you choose to have a really high-end rig... buying an Xbox 360 and paying for Live over a number of years can probably be just as expensive if you only have a decent setup. But if you have a job and can afford it and actually see the benefits, you would appreciate the difference.
The PC is an awesome thing.
Your logic is flawed.
By the way StrongMan I agree.
Could people really imagine the world without consoles? It would be one bleek future! Pcs optimized to the lowest common denominator! How that for what the consoles add.
I just thought that I would edit my comment, most people dont game on $1200 pcs and most don't know how to build a proper rig, most don't research specs.
"I see Jim is on another one of his hit generating rants!!! "
Lol thank you could not agree more...He call's Game Consoles utter shi_ PC's but sure takes and cash'es his check in reviewing said game consoles, from his job! lets see what kinda of market he would have without game consoles pushing Advert's there way.
what would His "over inflated EGO of an Arrogant twit" of an attitude that have to say then?
He loves hearing his own self centered voice. Here is a hint Jim...Many Gamer's care less about your paid diatribe, and just go on about their way an just go about popping in the next game. into what ever system they enjoy and play the d@mn games.
hey jim here you go
Narcissists; How to Identify the Self-Centered, Self-Interested, Egotistical, Arrogant, and Conceited Among Us
http://kathyradina.com/narc...
“The most important thing to remember is that narcissists are not thinking of you at all.”
fits jim to a tee
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This guy gets it. Consoles are a social thing. You invite friends over with their consoles and some pizza and have a great time.
Now try to invite your friends to your house with their PCs. Yeah, it's a pain.
What a daft argument...
His ascent to defy the gods stationed atop Mount N4G continues, as he bravely latches onto the lumbering website titan, escapistmagazine.com.
:P
I would really like to agree with you but unfortunatly my leather sofa and HDTV wont let me.
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Yes it is a small TV (26") but the point is the same. I am going to be getting a 40" LED soon.
Nice setup. I think you're an exception to the rule, though.
PCs are just great consoles w/ crappy developers.
You enjoy ok?
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Mean While
"Portal 2 puzzle maker has produced over 35,000 free levels, Valve arrange Steam sale to celebrate"
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012...
idiot.
LittleBigPlanet has over 6 MILLION http://www.computerandvideo...
Even ModNation Racers has over 2 million creations http://blog.us.playstation....
jus' sayin'
For once im actually going to defend a valve game (like any of their games need defending lol).
LBP has new levels many of which are very different. ModNation Racers just has tracks. Portal has community made challenges/PUZZLES some of which i have been unable to complete. That sort constant challenge makes 35000 better than 6 million.
Haven't you considered what has kept people gaming on consoles for 40 years?
Screw pc gaming
Look at this and you can get an idea.
http://www.worldometers.inf...
From that statement I can tell you've never had or played long enough on a high-performance PC. The difference is mind blowing, especially when you realise that the experience is consistent across so many types of game experiences. I've only just discovered how epic it can be myself recently. So before you bash PC gaming for being this elite, expensive, inconvenient past time - actually look into it first and appreciate why people spend their money this way.
PC gaming has been becoming more niche for years but to say that it's stupid because it's not where the money is at is kinda sad. It's like saying "Valkyria Chronicles is not worth my time and money cause it's niche".
PC is significantly cheaper than consoles. You don't realize that because you still believe that PCs are $6000. A decent gaming PC that can play everything can go for around $800 (PC and monitor). A console and TV costs ~$1300. Not to mention Steam sales.
You own a PC of your own. Upgrading isn't that much of a cost and believe me, it's very convenient to have a gaming PC because your PC, in general, just gets a huge performance boost.
(People also say you have to upgrade all the time to keep your PC running the new games. That's not the case. I"m still running a dual core with 3GB DDR2 RAM. I barely got rid of my 8800)
"Developers know the money is with consoles. Which is why a lot of top pc games are coming over to consoles."
Why wouldn't they? It's just some console devs shove away PC and alienate that crowd.
Would it spell the end of people setting unnecessary tiers for what they play...I severely doubt it....
"Jimquisition: Xbox 360 and PS3 Are Just Crap PCs"
Reads who it's from.
Shrug shoulders, whistles the old spice song and goes back to playing 360 and PS3. Whatever works for me. All great in my eyes.
"Shrug shoulders, whistles the old spice song and goes back to playing 360 and PS3. Whatever works for me. All great in my eyes."
exactly...for one personal computer's are not that old of a technology, Hell when i was in school Apple IIE's were really the only way you had access to the personal Computer, unless you were rich, or had access to Crey's from the the university or freaking GOVT. Armed forces base's.
The fact that this is even a point of contention what gamer's find is entertaining and fun in the market for people is really funny and frankly Bland.
Many gamer's today it seems would rather focus on a rant by jim than really focus on the point of having systems that many had no way to enjoy such advancements in gaming when i was a kid.
this change in attitude by today's gamer is really shocking , for an industry that was founded on a Hobby...that's the real point it was a freaking "Hobby" and jim goes off a rant like that?
makes you wonder How old is jim really?
My school only had Apple computers (I think it was IIE's) that had those big ass floppy disk. The point is that I enjoyed it then and I enjoy whatever I have now. I neither the time nor money to build a super rig (although I can), so I enjoy what i have. Don't care what Jim says. lol
You can argue pc doesn't have some of your favorite exclusives, but that doesn't make the statement any less true. Besides, pc has a large, large number of extremely high quality exclusives.
First off, videogames themselves are arguably nerdy. People who argue about videogames on the internet are nerdy. Congratulations! You are a nerd. You didn't even need that pc.
Also, PC can most definitely run anything that the consoles can put out. Hell, you can buy the random fifty dollar graphics card, throw it into any stock pc with a decent processor, and you have something that rivals (at least) what the current consoles can do. Even the new consoles, which probably won't even be out for another year and a half, at least, are going to be running low-end cards . . . by today's standards. Let alone the future.
And again. Consoles have their exclusives. As does the pc. If you have a decent pc, I argue that consoles are only good for their exclusives, being that you almost always get the better experience out of the pc.
May I just add the fact that I mostly game on console. 360, to be specific. This isn't coming from a point of bias or fanboyism in any way. It's just a fact. The consoles are old tech. No different than if I were running a pc game at 720p or lower, and set it to thirty frames. Graphical fidelity ranging from game to game.
I'll stick to my consoles thanks.
Edit in...The only game I was truly interested in that actually made me angry I wasn't gonna get on my console was GUILD WARS 2.
Lo and behold....turns out I'll be getting that on my PS3, so I'm good. :)
BOTTOM LINE
Also I also can't rent PC games
I think that's playing down the main deciding factor of any gaming platform- library, it's only one aspect but certainly the most important.
If I had to choose only one platform the main question I'd be asking myself is what's the one game I can't get anywhere else but *need* to play.
I enjoy my consoles, I enjoy my PC.
People need to stop arguing about this stupid crap.
Jim Sterling just loves to stir s**t up.
we should just be like yeah okay that's what you think Jim but that's your opinion it's not fact. Consoles wouldn't of been around for so long if it was true.
Nobody mentions that games on PC can be a complete hassle to get working sometimes and with consoles you know what you're getting and you know it's going to work with no hassle.
It's nice to have consoles and a PC for different reasons.