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Why Consoles Aren’t Going Anywhere

In the gaming world, everybody is behind their PCs at all times, so there is no chance to have a beer together; or split a chocolate cake for that matter. When it comes to debates, the hottest one on the market right now, and has been for the past few years, is PCs versus consoles opera. Its hard to say how people are still not tired of expressing their hateful feelings towards one or another at every single article on the topic of hardware. My best guess would be too much free time, but you know what – that doesn’t really matter. What matters is that one side is clearly winning, and that is of course PC enthusiasts (lets leave the worn-out word “elitists” out of this).

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DeFFeR1395d ago

What consoles need are the ability to upgrade. We've been almost 7 years on 360 and 6 on PS3 (let's ignore the Wii for now...).

The graphical upgrades in the last 6+ years have been astronomical, but the hardware on consoles have been hindered by 'old tech.' If they made it easy to swap out a graphics card or add RAM it would be an easy alternative to PC gaming.

Sure, PCs will most likely always be ahead of consoles, but that doesn't mean console games aren't good - it just means they do what they can with their limitations. Reduce some of those limitations by allowing OEM hardware upgrades (a slot for RAM, a slot for graphics card - much like replacing a slim HD?) and you can improve the experience for console gamers.

It's a stretch for sure - you're adding an element of difference between the consoles at launch and later in the hardware life, but to stand stagnant the entire console life (aesthetic changes not withstanding) only hinders gamers looking for the best experience.

TL;DR: Make consoles upgradeable - aim to make most games work on every version of the console. Make AAA titles REQUIRE updates to play (ex - Halo 4 requires 8gb HD installation)

LightofDarkness1395d ago (Edited 1395d ago )

That kind of destroys the convenience of consoles, so no. If you're going to go down that route, you might as well just buy a PC.

These sorts of things intimidate and confuse the average consumer, and they might feel pretty angry that they have to continually buy new components to play the latest games, because that's historically NOT something consoles do. Plus, having multiple configurations out there takes away the optimization advantage; console games would start to look worse on average in order to remain compatible with the variety of configurations out in the wild.

You need only look at things like the N64 expansion pak to see that this is not a good idea.

NoFanboyRequired1395d ago (Edited 1395d ago )

Good explanation right there. People fail to realize that its a lot easier for developers to work on a single GPU than trying to get a game to work with multiple cards out on the pc. If a developer worked on only one card on the PC, and everyone had that card, It would be one hell of a game, graphically!

But yeah, i don't see this ever happening in the console world. It would be a headache for the not so tech savy people and create many problems for most.

HammadTheBeast1395d ago

Agreed. This is the reason a LOT of mobile devs stay away from Androids, and why we don't see Infinity Blade and stuff on Android. The developers want to work on one thing,and make it run great instead of a few meh things.

I'd love to see some kickass android games that worked well overall.

decrypt1394d ago (Edited 1394d ago )

There are several reasons why consoles cant be upgradable. People should stop requesting for such stuff.

1) Consoles are designed to be as cost effective as possible, meaning everything is soldiered in. Making upgradable machine first of all will cost more.

2) Even if they did make it upgradable, think of the bottlenecks. If you had a 5 year old motherboard, its pointless throwing in the latest graphics card on to that thing. Just too many constraints, console specific parts will be more expensive than PC versions due to royalties and not enough production, performance wont scale due to other parts being old. Why do you think companies like Intel, AMD introduce new archtectures every few years, its because new hardware can be taken advantage of.

3) Not many people will be willing to upgrade, when it comes to the PC. Millions of people who arent even gaming need parts like CPUs, Ram, Motherboards, HDs. The only part really designed for gamers is the GPU. Hence when all the other parts are made in such mass quantity it solves the problem of consumption. Its not like console makers will be using off shelf ram, CPUs etc. Hence it will cost them more to make those specific parts and then if the demand is not so great that will become a problem.

Overall i dont think its a feasible idea to make upgradable console, not only for the above reasons.

SITH1394d ago (Edited 1394d ago )

@lightofdsrkness. And that is what I just did, I bought a PC. I am sick of waiting for the possibility of a console to get the power it needs to run the games I want to play. Wasn't always that way, I played PC before consoles. Time to go back. I want to play Arma 3, and serious flight sims again. I miss space games, and there are no serious space sims on consoles at all. I miss the mouse and keyboard.

I will still pick up a next console system, but this way I satisfy one missing element consoles continuously lack for me.

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1395d ago (Edited 1395d ago )

so you want a small pc?

SITH1394d ago (Edited 1394d ago )

Not for me but... http://www.dell.com/us/p/al... it just so happens to be a compact pc as big as a current gen console. And yes, it will run battlefield three on high settings.

And consoles already implement upgradable parts. Anyone increase their hard drive size before? That is one type of upgrade very common in PCs.

NoFanboyRequired1394d ago

Lol, who the hell would buy a dell? They suck.

http://www.ibuypower.com/St...

I'd rather spend the couple hundred dollars more for this thing than buy a crappy alienware.

JBSleek1395d ago

"What consoles need are the ability to upgrade."

Then they become PC's and not gaming console with strict guidelines so everyone has the same experience.

"If they made it easy to swap out a graphics card or add RAM it would be an easy alternative to PC gaming."

Or it would be a PC.

If graphics are your allure I would very much say that you become a PC gamer and I'm sure you already are.

DeFFeR1394d ago

"If graphics are your allure I would very much say that you become a PC gamer and I'm sure you already are."

I am a PC gamer as well as a console gamer. Mostly, I was trying to find an idea that would justify a 7-10 year console life cycle with "old tech" without the games being held back by the console they are created for.

"Or it would be a PC."

Aren't they already though?

I didn't really like my comment up top after I posted it, but I figured I'd share anyway.

slayorofgods1395d ago

They don't need to upgrade, just future proof a little better. Really, processors / gpu's / and ram last even in a pc for a long time if built properly. For example, people may laugh that I still have a ati 5770 gpu (4 years old) but in reality it still performs very well with modern graphics. This card can easily last 6 years and still run games very well, despite other cards outperforming it. IMO, Technology advances a lot quicker then the actual times and gpu's perform a lot better then any games that will be out anytime soon.

The mistake that the 360 / PS3 made is they didn't take the 64 bit revolution seriously and average ram usage jumped to 8 gbs.

Also, a lot of people think graphics are starting to slow due to costs to produce. So I wouldn't expect a huge jump in the next 5 years.

krazeecain1395d ago

I'm also running a 5770 right now, and I've only just recently started to crave an upgrade (still don't *need* it though.)

I think people often overestimate how much PC gaming costs nowadays.

With Moores law starting to slip, I think PC gaming will become a more viable and future-proof option for people.

slayorofgods1395d ago

Moores law is still in effect. They do have 6870's at a price point just a little higher then 5770's making them almost a impulse buy and they do perform at least twice as good.

But I don't think programmers are keeping up as well with the increase in technology as I haven't had to upgraded my pc in 4 years and it still handles modern games very well. A lot of people exaggerate how often a pc has to be upgraded or replaced before its obsolete.

IMO, a pc can last the same length as a generation of consoles before a single upgrade is needed. Any upgrades in that time are only luxuries. And a console still can last 5-10 years before it's time to be replaced.

s45gr321394d ago

I agree my gaming PC has the NVIDIA GTS 480 which is the flagship graphics card of the 400 series; yet, it runs almost every game at max settings which includes Metro 2033. So, is pretty much becoming a fact that you don't really need to upgrade to the newest graphics card as it used to be in the past.

JAMurida1395d ago

Dam... That's the first time I've seen the first comment on an article get nothing but disagrees and no agrees, lol.

Autodidactdystopia1395d ago

I think Deffer is on the right track.

I think that an upgradeable console would do wonders for the market.

only if done correctly.

for example.

a 4 stage upgrade kit like you saw in those mini rc cars at radio shack.

start with level 1. level 2 not being released for a year or so to come level 3 continuing the trend.

However each and every game must have options for each spec, at that point its not about differing hardware or confusing the consumer especially if the upgrade has a big fat sticker on it that says "#4 do not insert upside down"

so in the future any little boy who deperately wants a tbox-250 can have one and play every game released for the system for half the price, albeit at lower graphical settings.

and every enthusiast, can buy level 4 when it comes out and continue enjoying the console for years to come.

a time upgrade scheme would make things far more affordable for the entry level user and a far better experience for the enthusiast.

the only condition to this all running smoothly is that every game must support all 4 configurations which is not very much in terms of development, as they would likely carry the same architecture.

jeeves861395d ago

Ask Sega how well they did with this.

jetlian1395d ago (Edited 1395d ago )

sega never did it so you cant ask. all pc games have a lot of assets! The new console should be something like this.

stage 1 30 fps, 720p, 16 characters online

stage 2 60 fps, 1080p, 32 characters online higher texture pack too.

The games run under the stage you got. The design should be like 360 harddrive. Simple push button whole stage release add new stage.

DrRobotnik1394d ago

@jetlian
Um yeah sega did do it. If your old enough to remember.
original: sega genesis
upgrade: sega cd
upgrade: sega 32x
It didn't work to well as I recall.

s45gr321394d ago

Oh please no as a console gaming vet that is what pretty much ruined this gens' consoles. The whole putting your console game onto the hard drive, the patching, and the constant updates. Don't get me started on those firmware updates. Now both the xbox 360 and PS3 are bloated with multimedia features, etc. No an upgradeable console would destroy the biggest advantage over PC gaming accessibility and I really doubt the big three have a clue on how to do it.

jetlian1394d ago (Edited 1394d ago )

no sega did not and im 30 and I fully remember. Im saying you buy 1 game and it works across all upgrades! You couldnt buy sonic 1 and if you had sega cd it up the graphics so no sega did not have the same model

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badkolo1395d ago

this is exactly what the ps3 was going to be about, i will look fo rthe article but before the ps3 hit the shelves there was a interview with Ken Kutaragi , where he was discussing on how they where looking into upgradeable consoles, what if oyu could add a new card, what if you could upgrade the ram. it never happened but i bet it will with the ps4.

badkolo1395d ago (Edited 1395d ago )

thats exactly what they initially had planned, so expect this in the ps4
http://spong.com/article/10...

hesido1394d ago

Consoles shouldn't be upgradeable. END OF STORY. I don't think we even need a discussion for it.

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Wizziokid1395d ago

I'm sorry but if Cloud gaming does indeed take off there wont be a need for upgrading a console any more. obviously this doesn't cater to those with a poor connection however it is possible than this is how gaming will end up.

No more console upgrades or PC upgrades. all you will need is a good internet connection.

kma2k1395d ago

"all you need is a good internet connection" & no download cap! :)

BlackKnight1395d ago

Even with a good internet connection your controller response time, at best, is 150ms but generally higher. A 60FPS game has a response time of 66ms (COD, GT5, etc) and 30FPS games that dont have lag issues (BF3, KZ2/3, UC3 SP, etc) have 100ms lag.

Any gamer that plays fast or even medium-paced games will notice the terrible delay with cloud gaming. And faster internet won't solve this (faster means more bandwidth, not ping). Maybe if they get enough cloud server where they have one no more than 20 miles from you, but that is just ridiculous.

BitbyDeath1395d ago

@Whizziokid, do you remember the hate Diablo received for needing the game to be always online?

Well take that and times it by a billion.
It'd destroy any company that tries to do it.

DrRobotnik1394d ago

Remember sega channel? It didn't work out too well.

s45gr321394d ago

Hell yeah finally somebody on this site that understands, that is what I am thinking cloud gaming is the future.

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1395d ago

This is actually true if cloud gaming was the only source of gaming. It would basically mean one platform, no ports, avatar graphics. Fanboy wars would be about what cloud service is better. lol

_Aarix_1395d ago

Thats implying everybody in the world has a decent connection. Cloid gaming will never take off until fiber optic cables become stand and when isp's stop becoming greedy assholes. If you have a good connect good for you, but you wouldbt know the problem.

SilentNegotiator1395d ago

Don't worry, fiber optics will be widely available when the phone companies finish installing them.....at this pace, that would be 2105.

taquito1395d ago

everyone keeps saying "ohh....no upgrades, then they become pcs, no this, or then they become pc's"

what you need to realize is consoles are ALWAYS trying to become pc's, they just cannot ever possibly keep up

who did sony just buy again....gaikai......lol....be fore everyone HATED the idea of cloud gaming....now look at them line up to talk about how awesome its going to be.....

there's been cloud gaming on pc for 5 years, and it sucks, its basically a little bit better than console graphics, theres less jaggies and true 720p always vs the sub-hd of many console games.......but is is NOTHING compared to even pc games from 2005

cloud storage

free to play

consoles will always be a generation behind pc, and thats ok, but to know the future of your favorite console maker, just look at pc right now

....well....unless your favorite console maker is nintendo, nintendo do whatever they want. i respect them for it too:)

Hicken1395d ago

Consoles are NOT always trying to be PCs for one simple reason: they don't try to be open, upgradeable system.

The stuff you're talking about is simply an evolution of consoles offering more gaming options and/or styles.

Free to play wasn't capable until consoles were primarily internet-capable, which means this generation. It doesn't mean that will become the standard for console games, like so many uninformed idiots out there believe.

Cloud storage is the same: an option, and a really cool one in the event you've got games that are cross compatible like, say, The Show on PS3/Vita, or if you want to make sure your most important saves are safe from hard drive crashes. The actual games are an extension of that.

Tell me: what generation is PC on?

Bladesfist1395d ago

We don't limit technology. We let it evolve. So no generations

s45gr321394d ago

Actually today's consoles you can swap the hard drive and are upgradeable. For example the launch xbox 360 lacked HDMI connection, built in wifi, only had like 2 usb ports. Then came the xbox 360 elite with built in HDMI connection still lacked wifi and still had 2 usb ports. Then there is the xbox 360 slim with 5 usb ports, built in wifi, and the latest version of HDMI connection I believe is ver 4.0. Now the PS3 downgraded itself go freaking figure. Launch PS3 4 usb ports, HDMI connection, Flash card reader, and a piano finish. Slim PS3 2 usb ports, no flash card reader, and traditional console black finish. The whole software upgrade for xbox 360 and PS3 via firmware updates from adding Netflix, video editors, the internet explorer. My god why are they trying to make consoles like PCs. For crying out loud the PS3 allow the user to use any linux flavor so the user was able to use Open Office, Sony Vegas, etc. Here you are saying that consoles are not upgradeable/downgradeable. All those options like cloud gaming, cloud storage,etc. have been readily available for the PC.

Hicken1394d ago

Swapping hard drives is hardly the same as swapping gpus. And that talk about the 360? You could just as easily chalk that up to Microsoft leaving out features so you'd want to get a new one with all the features later. Linux on PS3 failed because some idiots decided to try and use it to hack the system. You open up a console too much, and it stops being a console, because then you can do whatever you want with it, including play bootleg games.

The point is that consoles aren't open systems. Adding your own hard drive doesn't change that. Buying a newer version of the system doesn't u[grade your old one.

Call me when I can pop open my PS3 and swap parts out for whatever I want to upgrade performance.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1394d ago (Edited 1394d ago )

gaming options like web browsers? Console = game, web browser, hbo, dvr, netflix etc.. They are gonna need more memory next gen for this stuff alone. lol ps4 will have photoshop.

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