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WiiU- Confirmed specs from SDK and GPU info

If you read past the confirmed dev kit specs (developer confirmed from Nintendo's SDK) in the article and read about the features of Wii U's GPU you can understand how superior it is over the current HD twins. It basically comes down to the Wii U having a GPU using DirectX 11 features that are not possible on current systems.

Optimized post-processing effects – apply advanced lighting techniques to enhance the mood in a scene
High quality shadow filtering – no more hard edges on a shadow, see shadows the way you would in real life
Depth of field – use the power of the GPU to have more realistic transitions of focal points – imagine looking through a gun sight or a camera lens
High Definition Ambient occlusion – incredibly realistic lighting and shadow combinations

This confirms that the Wii U is a next-gen machine not in comparison to the Wii but in comparison to the current HD systems. All next-gen systems will have graphics cards that have the same/similar features from...

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LostDjinn1487d ago (Edited 1487d ago )

Well this looks legit.
It's not like it's a blog site or anything.

*shakes head*

Edit: I'm sorry but DX11? Really? Really?!
Funny how with all the "legit" info there's no mention of OpenCL.

Don't worry. I know what to do.
*grabs guitar and starts to sing*
"Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya"

guitarded771487d ago (Edited 1487d ago )

It bugs the hell out of me when they use the word "Confirmed" in the title when it's a rumor. Just put "Wii U - Rumored Specs" because it's not F'n confirmed... but that would take some integrity from the author to risk a lack of hits for the sake of telling the truth.

Anyway, until Nintendo gives us the specs or someone gets their hands on one and guts it on youtube it's still a rumor. Although there does appear to be some weight to the rumor.

irepbtown1486d ago (Edited 1486d ago )

If you write 'rumoured specs' then who would click the article at all?
We've seen countless number of them. The title is simply to draw hits.

Anyway, whatever the specs are the Wii U is definitely something I'll consider. Some of the things I've seen (especially E3) has got me glued.

It may not be 100% next gen, but it will definitely be something we've never experienced before. It may just have the honour of lying beside my PS3 :D

Computersaysno1486d ago (Edited 1486d ago )

It doesn't tell us a whole much about the machine's GPU performance anyway and its a rumour and list i have seen before here.

32mb of EDRAM and 1.5Gb of memory is reasonable enough but without knowing what sort of memory speeds/bus width/shader count/clockspeeds we can't give accurate performance. Only rumours and indeed guesses.

My guess is a part based off a low end Radeon, along the lines of the 55/5670. Anything much faster and we would have been made aware of it by now, we would have seen it in Batman leaps and bounds rather than slight improvements.

Its just this thing that says if it were really significantly superior to Ps3 and 360 Nintendo would have made us aware of it. They would have made it very obvious in trailers and such.

It was obvious within minutes of Microsoft demoing a host of 360 games in 2005 how much of a leap it was over Xbox.

In the absence of such evidence the only conclusion i have right now is that it is marginally more powerful than existing consoles.

nukeitall1486d ago

The easy solution is to keep down rating these sites that pull shit like that. As soon as those ratings starts affecting the sites, they will stop abusing titles!

Hit the plus sign next to the site url above and down rate that mofo site!!!

victorGma211486d ago (Edited 1486d ago )

@nukeitall
the original source is neogaf (which is a trusted source), but I agree with you on this one. I hate misleading titles lol. Why can't they just put "rumour" in the title? Is it so difficult?

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LocutusEstBorg1487d ago

Just like DX11 on a GeForce GT420 rocks.

geddesmond1486d ago (Edited 1486d ago )

DX 11 is next gen lol. Its 3 years old. DX12 would be next gen. I mean we all knew the Wii U would be more powerful than the consols that are 6 and 7 years old but depth of field, realer shadows and better lighting is only a small step ahead.

Now if it could run games perfectly at 60fps and in 1080p while processing so much information on screen like 100 different enemies all doing different things at once then I'd definitely call it next gen

@CK1X

Well not so next gen when developers like ND have been using those effects since UC2. One of the main reasons UC2 looked so good was because of its depth of field, Lighting, Animation and particle effects and with The last of Us they just showed the machines capable of much more. These effects are clever ways of hiding the stuff that doesn't look great.

And thats why I said if the games could run all this stuff perfectly it would be next gen because so far its just rumours. We don't know how these games run with all this stuff yet. Rage ran at 60 FPS with a lot of these effects but that didn't run perfectly.

Ck1x1486d ago

Actually those are major steps in graphics over the current HD consoles. That's all any of the next-gen engines(UE4, CryEngine3, Frostbite 2) are touting, better lighting, shadows and particle effects for explosions without taking major hits on the hardware.

specialguest1486d ago

There will never be a "next-gen" console according to what you consider next gen, because console developers will not sacrifice graphics quality over everything else.

metroid321486d ago

guess what EDRAM is used for extreme gameplay look it up and wiiu has 32mb/768MB of the stuff get a grip and 2 gig of RAM alright half a gig is used on the OS but i'm sure this equates to better AI and more enemies on screen at once.

PoSTedUP1486d ago

@ck- i was blown away this gen by games like MS:pr, killzone2-3 etc. on a big HD tv with a good amp and big speakers cranking. Imagine it all with better lighting and depth of field etc. and better more realistic graphics!? i sold my ps3, tv and speakers (miss them dearly) but am going to start saving now for a PS4 and a 42-50in decent sony bravia. cant wait!!!

geddesmond1486d ago

@Metroid

Wow pulling edram specs out of your arse because neither Nintendo or IBM have made any comments on those specs yet, plus since nintendos trying to get their costs down I ain't even sure on the specs they announced so far either cause some of them could easily change.

@Specialguest

Ah no way, really? So what your saying is technology available now is not powerful enough to run 1080p games at 60fps while processing 100s of different things at once??Are you saying its impossible? of course devs won't sacrifice smooth running games for graphics but if they have the right hardware they wouldn't have to.

LOL_WUT1486d ago (Edited 1486d ago )

@ geddesmond That metroid32 guy has been posting these specs on some articles already facepalm. Little does he know that it's not even confirmed yet it's just a rumor.

victorGma211486d ago

@PoSTedUP
I am having a hard time trying to understand why you sold your PS3. I would just buy another one if I was you.

specialguest1486d ago

@geddesmond

Current Gen consoles have the tech to do all of that NOW, but its not going to happen with this console Gen or even next because consoles hardware will always be limited.

Sure, hardware tech will one day allow little effort to achieve what you stated as "next gen", but it won't happen this upcoming next gen. the ps4/xbox720 will not be massively more powerful than the WiiU.

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OpenGL1486d ago

Based on the specs in the article this GPU isn't DirectX 11 compliant anyway as the max texture size is listed as 8192x8192 but the reality is that DirectX 11 GPUs support 16384x16384 textures in DirectX 11 and OpenGL.

AO1JMM1486d ago

"It was obvious within minutes of Microsoft demoing a host of 360 games in 2005 how much of a leap it was over Xbox."

It is obvious that the WiiU is a huge leap over the Wii.

Blackdeath_6631480d ago

anything will be a huge leap over the wii. chances are that when ps4/xbox720 are released the wiiU will be dwarfed and left behind.

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Ulf1487d ago (Edited 1487d ago )

It's important to note that many DX11 GPUs are not as powerful (meaning texture, poly, fill performance) as the 360 or PS3 GPUs. These are the low-priced models -- exactly the sort that a company looking to lower the cost of their console into a range where families would find it affordable, *might* want in its console. A Radeon 6570 or 7570 would be only slightly more powerful than the Xenos or RSX, and would be a very affordable option for the Wii U, for example.

Also, the Wii U, due to its unique controller (actually 2), will also need to accommodate rendering images to at least one, if not two (for coop) controllers -- thus eating away at GPU power. I have no doubt that the Wii U GPU is better than the X360 or PS3 GPU overall, but we shouldn't expect to *see* much of a difference, in the end, due to this factor alone.

If we're lucky, everything will be true 720p, and a solid 30 fps, whereas the other platforms have often been "barely" there due to ambitious game design. The Wii U may provide just enough extra muscle, after the render-to-pad expenses, to give us the smoothest & cleanest overall experience with crossplat X360 and PS3 titles.

wishingW3L1487d ago (Edited 1487d ago )

what you're talking about that an HD 6570 is slightly more powerful than the RSX and Xenos? Are you crazy? Dude, right now even integrated cards are much more powerful than current gen GPU's on consoles.

A freaking HD 6570 has around 480 stream processors for god's sake! While the PS3 only has like 24 (and not even using unified architecture) and the Xbox 48. An HD 6570 is much more powerful than an Xbox and PS3 fused together!! XD

chukamachine1486d ago

I'm lol right now.

Having DX11 in a gpu does not mean alot if it cannot pull off DX11 with ease and i can tell you right now. It cannot.

With any dx11 features involved, it'll be pushing 30fps max.

6570 has a 5200mpixel fillrate.

7800gtx has a 8800 mpixel fillrate

Although 6570 has better texture throughput, which is quite understandable. but only 8rops. a 7800gtx does 16rops.

My point is, people just look at graphic cards and go, yeah it's newer and so so much better.

Ulf1484d ago

@ wishingW3L:

"A freaking HD 6570 has around 480 stream processors for god's sake!"

LoL. Do you believe that AMD GPUs are "more powa" because they have a truckload more "cores" than nVidia GPUs, even relative to modern designs.

You realize the GTX 570 has 480 cuda cores, right? Do you honestly believe that an nVidia core and a AMD "stream processor" are an even match? Do you have ANY idea what thread warping is?

A HD 6570 only has about 25% more texturing muscle than the RSX, despite having -- LOL -- "more cores". You honestly believe that AMD marketing drivel... what a joke.

Also, with regards to "Dude, right now even integrated cards are much more powerful than current gen GPU's on consoles"... what utter BS. An Intel HD4000 is AT BEST, half as powerful as the Xenos and RSX. Where on earth did you get the idea that they were more powerful? Please tell me you didn't read this somewhere on a respectable tech site, and not some random backwoods forum?

_-EDMIX-_1487d ago

LOL. I have no clue what your talking about. I think you need to google what those GPU's are.

ANY GPU released pasted 2006 is going to be GREATLY superior to that of the PS3 and 360. Have you seen the APU's AMD has released? They are heads above anything on console. Mind you there like $70.

Though the Wii U is greatly more powerful then the current gen systems, it really means very little now. Its like the XB1, being really powerful means nothing if you don't even have support to make content on it that are not just PC ports.

Wii U will do great, but i think the GPU, CPU etc won't get used in the way people may think. Nintendo as a publisher will be the one to really take full use of such a powerful system.

3rd parties will just use it for watered down ports.
COD4 for Wii anyone?

Sony3601486d ago (Edited 1486d ago )

This is an example of someone who reads too much jargon on N4G and starts to believe they know what they're talking about when they repeat it.

The first paragraph is probably the biggest insult to anyone who's ever built their own PC. Do you really believe that most GPU's that support DX11 aren't more powerfull than the GPU's in current gen consoles, or did you just copy and paste that from someone else who's really not informed on hardware?

Are you forgetting (or did you know to begin with) that current gen consoles are using GPU's that were created 7 years ago, before even DX10 was out?

tee_bag2421486d ago (Edited 1486d ago )

Tell me about out. Guy hasn't got a clue.

My old 4850 would push out better graphics performance than the consoles on multi-platform games. ie L4D2, RE5.

Yet Ulf wants to compare the RSX and Xenon to a 6xxx and 7xxx serious no friggin way.
Take your pick, a 6xxx or 7xxx, either absolutely spanks whats in the consoles right now.

Ulf1484d ago (Edited 1484d ago )

@tee_bag242:

"My old 4850 would push out better graphics performance than the consoles on multi-platform games. ie L4D2, RE5."

Do you have any idea how much more powerful a 4850 is, than a 7570? Just the texture performance is at least 3x. Just because a chip is modern, doesn't make it amazingly powerful. GPUs haven't gotten faster in the past 5 years, for the most part -- mostly they've just gotten *cheaper*, except at the very high end where they use the extra die area to load down the chip with more pipes. Do you realize how close the nVidia 8800 GTX is, to modern high-end GPUs? It's 5 years old, and will probably tromp what Nintendo will put in the Wii U easily.

Trust me when I say that Nintendo will NOT put a $600 GPU in the Wii U, or even a $250 one. More than likely, its a $100 chip on par with a 7670 (a 7570 would be too cheap, even for Nintendo)-- a chip with not even 2x the texturing ability of the Xenos or RSX, and less than half the muscle of your "old" 4850.

You know that the Radeon 6850 is not really better than your 4850, right, despite its being a couple years newer?

tordavis1486d ago

ROFLMAO I'm glad the other posters replied. This dude Ulf is smoking dem cracks!

HungPHATx1486d ago

Must be a VenomousFatman "1" fan commenting here :-)

Please take the stand Mr Venomous LMFAO....

donman11485d ago

You got to be joking... Wii U will have games running at full 1080p in the near future. The reason why the launch games are 720p is because they are ports of games also releasing on Xbox360/PS3. The games are already deep in development and not using any of the enhance capabilities of the Wii U GPU. Developers also have to learn how to enhance their games with the new Wii U hardware that is clearly more powerful than current gen.

This confirmed spec sheet of one of the earlier dev box shows this.
http://www.nintengen.com/20...

The next generation of gaming will be similar to the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube era where Xbox and gamecube (to a lesser degree) were more powerful than the PS2 but not by much. Wii U will be the PS2 in this coming next gen in terms of first out the gate, with great install base and full 3rd party support.

tordavis1485d ago

Yeah I agree with Donman1. It's not like the PC ports of these Xbox360/PS3 games run higher than 720p.

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Irishguy951487d ago (Edited 1487d ago )

Isn't it supposed to have a power 7 Gpu? Which makes it >>> 360/ps3. Meh, the fact that it can run Ac3 has decent AA on the WiiU version makes it better already.

Shok1487d ago

Power 7 is the CPU the Wii U is using, not the GPU.

But yes the Power 7 series is far stronger than the CPU's used in the 360/PS3, so on the CPU side as well the Wii U is stronger.

Irishguy951487d ago

oic, I misread it. Anyhow, I'd be shocked if the GPu isn't better. Considering how cheap a better one(even if only a little) would be nowadays

Shok1487d ago

Seems legit. And some of those dudes on GAF I've actually been following and they leaked Wii U related things before they were even announced/leaked (like clickable sticks, instead of circle pads.)

I'd say it's pretty much real. There's nothing really unrealistic about any of that, pretty much the specs I was expecting.

mike1up1487d ago (Edited 1487d ago )

I have read the rumor, but I am a big time tech dummy. Is there anyway that you could sort of translate this for me?

In laymen's terms, roughly, how much more powerful are they saying than PS3/360?

RustedMan1487d ago (Edited 1487d ago )

@mr_mike
I got chills when I read your post.
it's almost like someone handing you a gun,
and you asking how to shoot it and who to shoot it with. You don't even care what the specs really are, just hellbent on saying that it may/may not be more powerful than ps3/360.

mike1up1487d ago (Edited 1487d ago )

@RustedMan

Sorry that I gave you "chills", you could try not adding an agenda/conspiracy to my comments. That might help.

Look, I am no tech guy. The most that I could understand is that the GPU is powerful, and that shading is suppose to be a lot better. Shok doesn't have to respond if he doesn't want to, however, I don't believe that there is anything wrong with asking for some sort of reference.

If you have the time, make sure to take your show on the road. Try condemning people posting rumors that the WiiU is less powerful than current gen systems. They might actually be impressed by your "handgun analogies".

Shok1487d ago

Those specs are, based off my understanding, about 5 times more powerful than the PS3/360. But those specs are also from the old dev kits from last E3, so we could be seeing a 6-7x leap.

Sony3601486d ago (Edited 1486d ago )

Just think of this, mr_mike.

The console is 7 years newer than current gen consoles. They'd be really stupid not to create a console more technically capable than current gen consoles.

It's like the Wii being less capable than the gamecube or original xbox.

ZoyosJD1486d ago

I can tell that saying #-# times more powerful isn't going to help, so I am going to begin by saying that what you see on the TV will depend on whats on the controllers screen(s).

On the TV at minimum expect 720p and 30FPS, but this would come with better image quality than what you see on PS3/360 and something also something being rendered in-game on one or two controllers.

Lets say your using the Pro controller with no screen in a multiplat game. Expect 1080p, above 30fps, and better image quality. Assuming its not a lazy port.

Hold yourself steady, take aim, and pull the trigger.

*hits target*

*high five*

Incipio1486d ago

@ Sony360

Funny thing is...the Wii is technically barely ahead of the original Xbox.

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

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JaggedCarpet1487d ago

I agree. Rumors and speculation usually seem to be vague and non-descript, but this is quite detailed. Out of all the rumors, I would say that this one would be the most plausible.

Ck1x1486d ago

It does seem legit as Nintendo is one to provide a dedicated DSP in their consoles. But the real question is, if these are reliable leaked specs from a Dev kit, then which version did they come from? Seeing as how the system has improved spec wise with each new Dev-kit, it's probably fair to say that WiiU is more advanced than what is potrayed here in these specs.

metroid321486d ago

Even thought these specs read out to be at least 6 times the power of 360 already and more powerful graphics wise than rumoured 720 chip ????

DivineAssault 1487d ago

same thing i been reading since E3 with minor differences.. This really isnt any new information

Laxman1487d ago

I think the purpose of his post is that he now considers it to be more than rumor, which is what you would have been hearing since E3. Still, Id say its still a rumor unless Ninty want to confirm it. These 'anonymous close sources' dont make anything 'official.'