"Microsoft has already got its ball," says Mastertronic boss. [OXM UK]
LOL 'If anything, Sony has been playing catch up. It's just that Microsoft hasn't told everybody necessarily what they're doing with their streaming service' They were first but they forgot to tell anyone about it... classic MS
You cant blame them I suppose, up until 2 days ago 99% of people seemed to be against cloud services like Gaikai or OnLive. Suddenly it seems, a lot of those people have had a change of heart... Strange I know.
Remember, we've read PLENTY of times on this site, the infrastructure, the ISP caps, the latency, the blah blah blah, so surely there's been no need to show what you've been working on yet? As it was a fad/pipe dream just 2 days ago. lol the irony is clearly lost on many here.
It was always inevitable. I used to argue with a friend of mine (and I've been having this argument with him before Onlive was announced) that streaming was the future of gaming. He just couldn't see it happening. why? and I quote: 'It's not good for the gamer.' bless his little naive cotton socks. I'm excited for it myself, although I go into it with trepidation, but to think that the gamer is integral to this venture is silly. Yes we will benefit from it, but the biggest reason this is happening is because it makes financial sense for everyone in the industry... and of course it cuts out piracy Interesting times ahead
I know Fishy, once a certain name becomes attached, it becomes messianic and innovative. I wonder if we'll see half as many "I'll stop gaming when it becomes cloud-based" comments on here after this...
How do you make that comment and not get flamed? I got disagreed to death. This how it works.. ps3 fanboys like sony brand, xbox fanboys love Microsoft brand, pc fanboys love game devs.
@Fishy Fingers Dude, that s#*t is the future, I don't like it and anyone with a lame @ss IC like it, but you read news about Nvidia making GPUs designed specially for streaming games and stuff like that, Samsung making deals with Gaikai (pre-Sony) to stream gaming in their big @ss TVs and so on, it's not perfect now, but in 10 years maybe even your Apple I-toaster™ will stream s#**y IOS time wasters... @nukeitall It'll take off, it's a matter of time, think about HD, it'll be the same all over again, difference is Nvidia is pushing for it and every gadget manufacturer will want to have their own s#/ty stream service for games and other s#*t...
The irony is not lost on me,it is stunning how quickly attitudes changed once this was announced.
Fishy said "up until 2 days ago 99% of people seemed to be against cloud services like Gaikai or OnLive. Suddenly it seems, a lot of those people have had a change of heart... Strange I know." What I find fishy is where all these people are who've had the change of heart. You act like suddenly everyone is singing cloud gaming praises just because "Sony" is involved. I'm not seeing it. Most of the Gaikai articles hardly have any comments at all, and the original article as it broke on this site, with 750 degrees seems pretty mixed. There's only a handful of people who seem to think it's Sony's doing something grand here and the vast majority of posters still appear sceptical. You make it sound like the site is filled with nothing but Sony supporters who mindlessly cheer anything Sony related. Looking at past comments, it's plainly not the case. Have a look. What, maybe 10% of comments on the first page are pro-cloud or outright pro-Sony? http://n4g.com/news/1028283...
To go strictly "cloud" gaming anywhere in the near future would be foolish. It is likely going to be gradually incorporated into their services(and to remain an OPTION for a while). Personally, I prefer having my games on my harddrive or have the physical copy and literally millions of people feel the same way. Until they can be reprogrammed to think otherwise, they will be catered to as they have been. Also, the thought of only being able to play certain games while connected to the internet is abhorrent to my sensibilities. Imagine your service goes down and you can't play any of YOUR games because they are on a server owned by someone else in a far away place.
talking about caps, in the u.s. only comcast has caps. TWC and verizon (two of the nation's biggest) don't have caps.
why is it every damn article Sony catching up to MS, when its really MS always catching up to Sony. Everything MS has done, Sony has done, whether fully successful or flat out failed, Sony has introduced to the console first.
I'm STILL against it. Sony or not.
That's because no one expects it to be used for FULL GAMES right now, but for demos. Stop trying to find hypocrisy that isn't there.
@ darkride "You make it sound like the site is filled with nothing but Sony supporters who mindlessly cheer anything Sony related" that is exactly what n4g is! everyone knows that you are a self confessed "sony nut", but that was an obvious play to try and get your bubbles back. fishy fingers is 100% correct with his comment. that attitude has changed all of a sudden.... now its the future lol sony could announce "dog poop scoop" a game where you pick up dog shit, and n4g would go giddy with excitement..
"You cant blame them I suppose, up until 2 days ago 99% of people seemed to be against cloud services like Gaikai or OnLive. Suddenly it seems, a lot of those people have had a change of heart... Strange I know." NO, PC people are against Onlive Gaikai, etc.; because those are PC services. They tried and FAILED on the PC, so PC people obviously have spoken about those services. Those weren't on consoles. IF consoles were to remove software out of the hands of the purchaser, then I'd be opposed, just like I have never bought a downloadable game, other than that, I have no opinion about the service until I find out what they are going to do with it.
Well, the PS fans seems to change opinion like we change underwear. It's evident on the site. I'm not a fan of the cloud on either side, especially not if it becomes dominant in the future. Thing is though, the majority of people would not support a dominant cloud system. The power of a physical item should not be underestimated.
Not sure about others but i have never been "against" cloud gaming. So long as it doesn't take over local media entirely. I think the idea is a good one, being able to play games that otherwise would be too much for a console to handle. Just have it as a side function to disk capable consoles rather than a complete replacement. If it were to replace physical disks entirely, then i would have a problem with it. Sony's aquisition of Gaikai doesn't change my opinion on this in any way.
I wish my strongly-positioned balls had a streaming component." ROFLMAO!!! First " Consoles are TV parasites." Then this! This made my day! OT: Microsoft maybe a technology or software company but GAIKAI is first & foremost an experienced gaming company courtesy of David Perry of shiny Entertainment. That makes all the difference IMHO.
@ rocce "Well, the PS fans seems to change opinion like we change underwear." Prove it or gtfo.
cloud based gaming is not the future it is what the games makers want us to believe as they will have full control what you get for your money very little expense for them pay through the nose for the gamer and if and when the net starts to run slow and it will your gaming will be affected i for one do not want this type of thing to be the future of gaming fine for downloading games but not for streaming games atleast not for fast moving action games.
i hope everyone will boycott this type of gaming so we can all carry on with lag free gaming and the user at the controls instead of the publisher/producer.
LOL! Ever heard of Azure? Hypervisor? These are technologies to combat Amazon EC2 and VMware. MS is huge within cloud! They don't need to buy anything, they already have a cloud service. Sony on the other hand still can't upgrade their network without taking it down. It's constantly "under maintenance" so yeah, they need it! I don't think Gaikai is worth the cost, but I'm glad at least Sony see the value of cloud. I just question the approach. I hate to say it, but I told you so! http://n4g.com/comments/red... I actually don't think Cloud will take off like people think. First of all, you got all the network issues and the ISPs are actively blocking this bandwidth hogging experience. This will be reserved for people that don't want to buy a console. Reality is that, the technology requirement will hit a ceiling due to the standardization of 1080p. Cloud is wonderful now, because current hardware cannot handle the higher resolution. Once we hit that ceiling with a *cheap* console, which we will with next generation it is about intelligent delivering of game asset so a game can immediately start while there is background loading of the rest of the assets for later missions instead of streaming. Cloud gaming is not the future! It is a "somewhat" low quality solution to a current problem. The only reason it will take off, is because publishers will want to combat piracy i.e. a business issue not technology. If you think I'm wrong, I *would* love to hear why and have a great meaningful discussion.
I am up for cloud gaming but only if it has a Offline mode too. Could you image xbox live or PSN being down for 2 weeks due to an issue and you are not even able to play a SP game.
I do think Cloud gaming will be the next step for home consoles but just like ChromeOS biggest fault of not having an offline mode I see cloud gaming having the same problem too.
Spot on. Azure is the connectivity they need. They have that ball. Not so sure on the graphical fire-power compared to Gaikai, but more easily resolved compared to not having the connectivity in place.
@mcstorm: How do you think an offline mode would be possible for a realtime game video feed cloud service? If the cloud service is about feeding game video feed, an offline mode would not be possible, unless the end-user has enough hardware to actually run the game on their end. Than, feeding the game video through the internet is entirely pointless. If cloud is used to feed the game data, that will be a whole different story.
Except that has nothing to do with games, which is what Sony is doing.
I don't know how Sony is playing catch-up when Sony was the first to implement cloud storage onto its hardware. Sony has been looking into the cloud for years. Besides who cares cloud gaming will cause me to stop playing games. I want to own not license. If i do buy digital i want the product i buy in a harddrive or for me to able to save it elsewhere. Onlive is crap, it's all license agreements and nothing gets saved to a hard drive nor can you, yourself if you tried. Dont believe go game on Idevices you'll see how fishy these "license agreements" can get and what the dev can do if they wish.
yes because cloud storage on the PS3 was the first device to ever use cloud storage... /s And why does everyone jump to the conclusion cloud gaming has to focus on just having your games in the cloud? Could it not take the form of a better delivery system from the cloud to your system allowing you to play instantly while you still download the game?
They also had a cloud music and video service on the ps3, so i'm pretty sure he's spot on! Sony has been putting its chip on cloud services that they have invested in! Ever heard of Qiriocity with Music and videozone and video unlimited! Cloud based services that came to the PS3 early on in its life cycle so them aquiring gaikai was something in the works that people have been saying would happen. Whats left to be seen is what they do with the aquisition and how they implement it! We'll see till then I've got reserved judgement! Right now, Music, and movies and music videos work well for cloud streaming on consoles and tablets and phones, we'll see how it works for games on consoles with the current graphics and assest of todays and future gen of games!
Reminds me of the french knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, telling King Arthur that they already had a Holy Grail. "Oh yes, it's very nice!"
Hilarious. " It's just that Microsoft hasn't told everybody necessarily what they're doing with their streaming service." The truth is the M$ does not have a answer to what Sony has just done. If they did it would be on the front page right now. Also cloud is nice but I still prefer physical media. It's nice to have both on hand though. @majiebeast Don't forget blu-ray, Internet integration, facebook, YouTube.
It's kind of how MS words their lack of portable gaming device: "Smart glass ... connects all devices."
This is off topic but sense you have a ps3 and for your profile pic you have anonymous profile pic lol,kinda ironic.
Lol whats funny to me is the comments just scream "We are worried" If they weren't they wouldn't make comments like that. Ah well I think people should wait and see what Sony do with this asset before getting over excited or worried. For all we know it could be 5 years before we see something good from this deal.
Right now gaikai will be used for vita and there failing telly business however next gen it will play a significant role in gaming but for now it's all about TV
MS has supported cloud from the start, Sony just started.
I still laugh at comments that Sony's PR do to counter Microsofts' stupidity. They show Kinect and Microsoft acts like they're fucking the Bauss, Sony meanwhile just laugh and say they were there a decade ago with the Eyetoy. Makes a minor-fanboy side of myself giggle at how Sony can Boast sometimes and mean it while Microsoft tries to flex their arrogance idly. Sony isn't playing catchup, even if Microsoft were in talks with OnLive, Gaikai is supremely better than it
How the hell are we going to benefit from bending over? That's exactly what the point of this is in the future. Neither Sony nor MS fanatics should praise this.
Everyone knows that Xbox 8 will be superior to the PS4. Microsoft has been trying to make Xbox a multimedia device sine the inception and have continued to make greater advancements in online interface than Sony has.
Just like sony was playing catchup with. Wifi 3D HDMI No wait that was microsoft.
MS will catch up to bluray nextgen and ditch disk tray.
Microsoft's entire business model centers around playing catchup. They just also bankroll the biggest ad budget of any of the people they're catching up to, in which they claim they're the real innovators.
Don't forget Bluray. In Microsoft's business they are ALWAYS playing catch up with someone. Everything Microsoft has ever made has been over shadowed or surpassed by everything else.Even now they are STILL playing catch up with the Wii and Nintendo already has their new console out. With the Xbox they were playing catch up with the PS2.They are trying to play catch up with Apple and Motorolla. Playing catch up with Google and Yahoo. So despite people trying to kiss Microsoft's @$$ all the time I suggest watch who you are accusing of playing catch up.
3D is nothing but a gimmick, so they should just have dropped that.
To be honest we could say they all were catching up to Sega http://au.ign.com/articles/... But in the games industry company's copy company's..just the way it is.. Sony is not the first to do everything..neither is microsoft
Cloud based services are going to be the future, be that games, media, operating systems etc You'd be a fool to think the worlds largest software company isnt preparing.
They're both playing catch-up to my highly advanced console that's able to run games in hyper realism. I just haven't revealed it yet. Regardless, they're playing catch up. Trust me.
More like 'ketchup'.
"If anything, Sony has been playing catch up. It's just that Microsoft hasn't told everybody necessarily what they're doing with their streaming service." really? that's how they want to put this out there, That Sony is playing catch up? OMFG...really? "Microsoft is building its own, massive cloud infrastructure to provide services to its clients, so already it's building its capability in terms of managing other types of content." really? So what the Hell do you think Sony has been doing for the past several years; when it comes to building their infrastructure with playstation remote play? remote play is more than just play games remotely from a game Hub, that's only made by Sony. "I don't think it would want to acquire something like OnLive that has gone out and tried to build its own network, and try and assimilate that into its existing cloud infrastructure. It would be more a case of it building out its own infrastructure rather than acquiring someone like OnLive." your right; what do you think would happen, would Microsoft also want consumer's of the xbox360 platform to have to again like Netflix pay yet another [FEE] on top of xboxlive in order to have a streaming game service on the xbox360? or in the future on one of Microsoft's new xbox systems released to the consumer after the xbox360? all the while Sony and even Nintendo can offer the streaming game service with a small fee where the consumer is not also paying for their service to game online also. i would imagine PlayPack Bundle All you can play. Just $9.99/month. on top of their xboxlive rate is no big deal, its only $9.99 more per month. Im getting disagree's? do you really think Microsoft's going to buy OnLive than use the development they have been building for their own service? get real, Microsoft can offer it cheaper or even add in it's streaming to xboxlive gold member's already paid service for little or no increase at all. why would Microsoft even buy OnLive at this point? Patents? maybe but the patents are only so many and the service patents may not even be worth that much to even Microsoft because they are already developing their own streaming service as is.
Here we have the next No1 story on N4G. I'm off to try and find some news on games.
Well Micrsoft had the insight to know that streaming would be realistic in 2015 with their leaked documents so Microsoft has had this in the works just doesn't think it is ready for the maainstream like they think 3D isn't, both true statements.
Neither company is playing catch up or anything it is two companies realizing that cloud is a viable option.
"Neither company is playing catch up or anything it is two companies realizing that cloud is a viable option." exactly..100% How can many even say one or the other is playing catch up when they both have been working on building their infrastructure for years. along the Way other technology's or in some cases other companies are bought to compliment that infrastructure. Microsoft bought skype, where the hell do you think that is going? Do you think Microsoft is not going to put that into their infrastructure on a box with one of their most recent developments that of the kinect? oh , wait a min http://www.geek.com/article... the fact that OXM even put this out about Sony playing catch up or what microsoft would say in response to Sony buying Gaikai...is pretty freaking Moot. what the hell else are they going to say ? were not working on a streaming gaming service ourselves, and that Sony just shocked the hell out of us...? LMAO use common freaking sense!
I wonder who leaked those documents? Sounds to me like an intentional leak to gauge the market reaction. I smell corporate BS.
You know you might be on to something.
I am pretty sure Sony took a look at those MS leaked documents and in solified Sony's descion to buy Gaikai.
Ah ms with there limited bs keep it Sony is open source. wait till dust has 1000s of players online and more and ms will be stuck with halo Also Sony also streams music and vids and ms alsn o streams em take in mind Sony owns most movies but yea never mind eh just fanboy digs again, it needs to stop and fast. Diss me all u like ms will always be playing catchup with Sony's games and offers
Sony was forced to show ther hand since they are buying there way into cloud gaming. Cloud gaming will not be a viable option for the masses for upto 10 years. Ms has been building there own network from the ground up to work with live. Both options are fine as the reality of cloud gaming is not something many will see work correctly for a while. Its like Kinect as its impossible with a device right now to get 1 on 1 without latency. It will get better but its not there yet. Cloud gaming is the same thing as the servers they connect to are much further away and they have to register each controller press. When you add online mp to this it will get worse. Neither company is ready to play cloud gaming as more then a additon to there system and they both will have it but it will not work to replace gaming as we know it for many many years as the tech is just not there yet.
"Sony was forced to show ther hand since they are buying there way into cloud gaming." Excuse me? Buying their Way into cloud gaming? OMFG! why do you think the PS3 contains the Cell processor? for its health? 1]A PlayStation 3 could borrow unused processing power from other consoles on a network, for example, to complete a demanding task such as delivering streaming video. 2]"The Cell architecture is designed to make grid computing almost universal," Halfhill said. "It makes distributed processing part of the design. If you have several of these machines on a network, the work can be spread across a network." http://news.cnet.com/PlaySt... Hell Behind The Curtain: The Warhawk Servers http://blog.us.playstation.... why do you think the PS3's cell processor was used? FOR YEARS many said THE CELL Processor, that it was not good for really meaningful gaming purposes , THOSE PEOPLE WERE SO RIGHT..LMAO here is IBM's explination Grid computing Cloud computing evolves from grid computing and provides on-demand resource provisioning. Grid computing may or may not be in the cloud depending on what type of users are using it. If the users are systems administrators and integrators, they care how things are maintained in the cloud. They upgrade, install, and virtualize servers and applications. If the users are consumers, they do not care how things are run in the system. http://www.ibm.com/develope... yea Sony sure bought their way into the cloud computing for Gaming...LMAO
I agree with the stuff you've written about the Cell, but I thought the rumour was that Sony are going AMD for the PS4 CPU / GPU? I would have put money on Sony going for a couple of Cell CPU's for the PS4... I always thought it would make sense... The devs have got over the hump of the whole 'PS3 is hard to develop for' so the transition to PS4 would be easy. Also it allows more simple BC with the PS3. I would think that Gaikai is going to be a feature of PS4, rather than PS3. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
I doubt the PS4 will use a Cell....
people aint againts the cloud itself its gaming from the cloud that people are against, i live in bahamas it takes me almost a whole day to download 10 gigs soo this cnt work for me, sony will use this service to bring contect to not onli playstation but all sony devices can now have a games app with certified playstation games and lots of 3rd party games. sony by far aint broke at all.
It's a trip. Just because Sony, a company I love, is involved, I'm supposed to be all over it? I don't think so. I still don't like the future being cloud-based gaming. It's cool as an alternative. Hell, it's an excellent alternative that can really open up gaming options and possibilities. But making it the main way to game just doesn't sit well with me.
Sony is full of mustard and cant ketchup
Lol at the damage control. I love it! also, flaimbait approved as usual. sony playing catch up ,yeah right.
Well since Gaikai is 100% out and ready to go it seems Sony has not only caught up it has surpassed it.
Yeah...and I'm sure Nintendo was playing catch up with Wii motion and the WiiU remote. Just read some leaked documents that says Kinect and Smart Glass were in RnD for the last 12 years, making MS the pioneers that everyone says they are....lol. Oh...don't ask for a source.
MS is more worried about Apple and Google than sony. Sony is no threat to them in the technology race.MS has been preaching digital games long before sony made this move.