A three part video explaining in detail the effects RGB Full or Limited has
on a television. Plus, a few video calibrating tips on how to get the most out of your picture using the PS3.
Yes, quite a big difference is perfectly clear.
Do it yourself at home, a small internet video is useless.
This guy was saying basically the same thing I was saying - BOTH consoles have it. Typically neither console should have it changed from default settings unless hooked up to a PC monitor.
And once again - no one seemed to mention that the X360 has the same setting and it was not turned on either.
Where is it on 360? The only thing I saw was the Black Level, which I've set to extended since I've had my 360. Even that only affects 480p output and DVD playback, neither of which I use. Then again I have one of the models without HDMI so I'm running component cables, is it over 1080p or something?
@ Skerj... i have my 360 connected via VGA.. in the display menu, there's an option for Reference Level that you can leave on Standard, Intermediate, or Expanded.. I'm not sure if that feature is available through HDMI though
I don't know much about TVs, but do know that the picture looks better with these options on....No one can tell me different.
Yes, I see a big difference on my Sony 40X2000 LCD screen. Colours are deeper and stronger, black is darker.
No doubt, quite a big difference when using Full RGB. (Edit: I think this applies only to the HDMI output, haven't tried any other output).
youre not connected through HDMI it says next to these options "(HDMI)"
If it comes to Sony exclusive games, no not much of a difference. But when I tried with Assassins Creed, the visuals and textures was more detailed and sharp.
Below: Yup that is correct as well. You can tell differences on XMB. You can tell differences on Uncharted too, but not as much as on Assassins Creed.
You can see a big difference allready in the XMB though. Don't know about exclusive Sony games, haven't tried them without the Full RGB.
If you look at the videos in the article, there are so much better in the RGB full video. It's showing Uncharted which is an exclusive PS3 title may I add.
I see a big difference. 42 inch LG LCD
It improves the colors and contrast but not the textures and frame rates. Awesome more massive damage.
Colour and contrast is a very important factor of how you perceive the texture quality.
Why isn't this function set on full in the first beginning?
Because not all televisions support it. Only newer ones.
Some older HDTV doesn't support it.
Yah ok had no idea of this full rgb before all the b!tching about GT comparisons began, I think it looks a bit better. So... unfortunately I'm gonna have to say "thank you" to all you little dorks out there who were crying about this. Still hate you tho, fukn fanboys.
You really don't get it. It's way bigger difference to the experience.
You really dont know how to read, do you? I said its better now (as in on my ps3, which I experience, duhhh), so I'm aknowledging that fact. Read, THINK then comment/reply. Are all fanboys retarded, or do you all have some kind problem processing information?
I have a new Samsung 1080 lnt-4671 HDTV, which Supports Full color but whenever I turn it on my XMB gets all pinkish for some reason. So I was like f$%k it, if Sony wanted everyone to enjoy such feature it would of been default. I'm sure there is a reason why it's not.
Just like there is a reason CPU are not OverClocked out the box. When it comes to comparison, there should be no tweaking, just like 2 CPU chips "STOCK" is what you compare them at.
I'm not even sure most TV are capable of this feature, which makes it pointless to some. Sh!t looks fine on my TV on default. Once you mess around with the PS3 settings then you have to tweak you HDTV settings. Pain in the @ss.
I put in a DVD in my PS3 on both my 32" LCD 1080i and my 65" DLP 1080p TV's and when the movie started everything was pink. I had to go turn the color to full to see the movie. Both were connected w/ HDMI cables.
so...by those videos when you turn on full RGB (cough and run a calibration tool) it looks better? lol of course you've run a freaking CALIBRATION tool!
when you can show me 100Proof that you can randomly hook up an ps3 via hdmi to any hdmi equiped tv and turned on RGB and it looks amazingly different over it turned to limited then you have a leg to stand on, all i saw in that was some one doing a detailed calibration of they're tv.
Oh and not only that GET BETTER QUALITY VIDEO! you cant tell me you saw a difference those videos we're such CRAP in quality.
No, the point was that when you run the calibration tool, it looks pretty much the same as to when you calibrate limited.
You can not randomly hook up a TV by HDMI, turn on RGB full and get a better picture at this time.
I must be one of the lucky ones because I bought a new sharp 52 inch full HD and I changed it and it did make a difference. I can really tell the difference on UT3 it looks brighter and with more detail. I also have a 360 and i changed the setting on that to see if anything happened to my picture but it stayed the same.
with or without a condom: Does it really make a BIG difference?
If the PS3 was a girl I would definately use a condom.
Just had to...
If both the PS3 and the 360 were girls I would use a condom, but specially with 360 cause it's hardcore.
now with the wii??? naaa I don't want to be convicted of rape.
I wouldn't like it if the girl went all RROD on me while I wasn't wearing protection =)
If the Wii was a girl it would clearly be a case of pedophilia.
was related to HDMI 1.3a which the PS3 has and the 360 does not. The 360 has HDMI 1.2 which is dot capable of deep color.
Released August 2005.
Added support for One Bit Audio, used on Super Audio CDs, up to 8 channels.
Availability of HDMI Type A connector for PC sources.
Ability for PC sources to use native RGB color-space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color space.
Requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support low-voltage sources.
Released 22 June 2006.
Increases single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbit/s)
Optionally supports 30-bit, 36-bit, and 48-bit xvYCC with Deep Color or over one billion colors, up from 24-bit sRGB or YCbCr in previous versions.
Incorporates automatic audio syncing (Audio video sync) capability.
Optionally supports output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams for external decoding by AV receivers. TrueHD and DTS-HD are lossless audio codec formats used on Blu-ray Discs and HD DVDs. If the disc player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, then HDMI 1.3 is not necessary, as all versions of HDMI can transport uncompressed audio.
Availability of a new mini connector for devices such as camcorders.
Released 10 November 2006.
Cable and Sink modifications for Type C
Source termination recommendation
Removed undershoot and maximum rise/fall time limits.
CEC capacitance limits changed
RGB video quantization range clarification
CEC commands for timer control brought back in an altered form, audio control commands added.
Concurrently released compliance test specification included.
15/16 bit: Highcolor
24/32 bit: Truecolor
RGB color model
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RGB values encoded in 24 bits per pixel (bpp) are specified using three 8-bit unsigned integers (0 through 255) representing the intensities of red, green, and blue (usually in that order). For example, the following image shows the three "fully saturated" faces of an RGB cube, unfolded into a plane:
(0, 0, 0) is black
(255, 255, 255) is white
(255, 0, 0) is red
(0, 255, 0) is green
(0, 0, 255) is blue
(255, 255, 0) is yellow
(0, 255, 255) is cyan
(255, 0, 255) is magenta
The above definition uses a convention known as full-range RGB. Color values are also often considered to be in the range 0.0 through 1.0, which may be mapped to other digital encodings.
Full-range RGB using eight bits per primary can represent up to 256 shades of white-grey-black, 255 shades of red, green, and blue (and equal mixtures of those), but fewer shades of other hues. The 256 levels do not represent equally spaced intensities, due to gamma correction.
Typically, RGB for digital video is not full range. Instead, video RGB uses a convention with scaling and offsets such that (16, 16, 16) is black, (235, 235, 235) is white, etc. For example, these scalings and offsets are used for the digital RGB definition in CCIR 601.
please provide more research for your conclusion of "you're wrong"
even my old onkyo dvd-player has fullRGB-support via "old" HDMI. i can't use this feature though, because my hd-TV doesn't support it =(
BUT my next fullHD-TV will! =)
is very good ("Onkyo") and was ahead of its time, as was the PS3.
The problem here is that nobody take the time to calibrate their tvs. It is a important long process to do it. Thats the point he is making. If you calibrate your tv well, the difference will be small if u turn on the rgb. I recommend people buying the dvd video essentials, it makes a big difference when i used it.
for the purpose of video comparisons, RGB turned to FULL makes for a closer comparison to a 360, period.
for people saying to calibrate your tv, if I calibrate my tv to look best with my ps3, it makes my 360 look way to dark when i switch my source to it. i only have 1 custom profile on my hdtv to play with. so for me, its much easier to have my 360 and ps3 both looking good by simply turning RGB to FULL.
some people are making this way too complicated. i have cable, dish, 360, and ps3 all hooked up to the same tv and they all need to look good, if the ps3 looks better with a simple setting, then turn it on and move along. real simple.
RGB full would make a closer comparison with 360 on Expanded since they both output the same color range.
As for calibrating your TV, you have to calibrate for both the 360 and PS3. Welcome to having multiple HD inputs.
Good points. I u only have one custom, that sucks. I guess the hd era is to complicated.
and it supports RGB. Gametrailers needs to start putting RGB on full.
Just check out final fantasy
before and after pics
Changed it to full on my 42' Sharp Aquos and noticed a huge improvement as far as color and detail!
And it does make a nice difference.
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