DualShock Nexus: Veteran film critic, Roger Ebert; dismisses The Last of Us and other games as leaving nothing to the imagination.
Ebert is the biggest troll of the year two years running now.
And this is why Gene Siskel was the better critic. RIP
I think it's sad that anybody cares what Roger thinks about games in the first place. He's a dinosaur.
Meh, since when has Ebert ever been relevant in gaming anyway. I couldn't care less what this old geezer thinks about games or movies.
He'll never change his mind, there are many kind of different movies, from crap to amazing, same happens with VGames, TLoU is a Violent game, a game that makes you act violently for a REASON, but also is a Stealth game, the game lets you play in more than one way There is a difference between a Violent game for the sake of it, like GTA, where you can kill everything that moves for no reason and games like Gears or Uncharted, where you attack to defend yourself In the case of TLoU, is a post-apocalyptic world in which survivors don't care about anyone more than themselves and will do anything to stay alive...
What many critics fail to grasp is the entertainment value these things do for people. Some of the movies they recommend are bore-fests. Sure there might be some great acting but if the movie is boring then it's boring. I pay to be entertained. That doesn't mean i can't enjoy movies that are very serious or admire the acting. Games are a different medium all-together. Sure some game designers are trying to mesh the two and some can do a fairly good job at it (Beyond by Quantic Dream for example looks incredible), but we have to remember games are supposed to be interactive. There is a conncetion gamers get while playing a game that is completely different than one gets while watching a movie. I respect Roger Eberts opinion but he needs to respect the views from gamers too since he's trying to recommend or not recommend what he critques to others and not just himself.
He's a critic. Which means his actual expertise in the field he critiques is the same as that of people who review games...exactly nil. Ebert's own forays into work in the creative process of movie making were abysmal failures. Sorry fatso, there is only so much you can hang on Russ Meyer. He, like game critics, are perfect examples of "Those that can, do. Those that can't, critique."
"He has become this sort of Ebenezer Scrooge of video games, despising everything they do. With this, people especially in the video game community take him less seriously."
I'm forced to ask: did any of you read the "offending" Steven Boone article? He makes some very relevant points about the games industry, some points that we shouldn't be too quick to dismiss. If you can take your Naughty Dog fanboy hats off for a second, you might consider something different for a change. Ebert wasn't shitting on TLOU. He was merely quoting the title of the article.
Its like that Simpsons episode where Homer becomes a food critic, he loves all the food hes given but soon is told hes doing it wrong "your a critic so be critical" (not exact quote)
@IcarusOne Yeah I did. And the dude only manages to prove his extreme ignorance of the subject he so poorly tried to tackle. Little to nothing he said was valid or fully true.
@Iveni0 Dino Ebert
The reason that these two dismissed the game is because they do not think it is artistic, and dismissed it as another gears of war. Unfortunately they do not understand the fact that ND is trying to convey human emotions through their Ai. He also stated that our excitement for TLOU and Watch Dogs makes no sense as we should be praising games like Pikmin 3 and last guardian... which is funny because last guardian WAS NOT AT THE GOD DAMN CONFERENCE. He ignorantly dismissed the game... I would have understood this, but what really made me know the guy who wrote the article is really out of touch with gaming is this statement "2009’s Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, the second highest-selling video game of all-time in the U.S., was in many ways the Dark Knight of gaming. It solidified an ongoing franchise while exploring themes of terrorism and reprisal from the point of view of American protectors working Dick Cheney’s “dark side” to produce results. As Seth Seichel wrote in a New York Times review of the game, “Basically, the player, in the guise of an American commando, can participate in a massacre of unarmed civilians. ‘It will cost you a piece of yourself,’ your commander says of the mission. ‘It will cost nothing compared to everything you’ll save.’”" NO! MW2 HAD ONE OF THE STUPIDEST PLOTS I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF PLAYING. THAT WHOLE NO RUSSIAN MISSION WAS JUST SHOCK, NO SUBSTANCE. The fact he had the audacity to compare it with the Dark knight is an insult to both gamers and movie goers. COD doesn't care about the plot only the money they generate by teenagers. That is how I know that we should dismiss this article... because the guy has no clue about the gaming medium at all He also said Joel was wearing camo... jesus christ thats when you know this guy has no idea about what he is talking about This film critic simply agreed with this, however this is the article that made me facepalm hard when I saw MW2 is the pinnacle of game story telling... God that statement made me want to puke. Especially with games like MGS, Assassins Creed, Bioshock, RDR, Half-life, Uncharted, Halo, CALL OF DUTY HAS THE BEST STORY IN GAMING? GTFO Oh and this guy wasn't at E3.... he's commenting based on youtube footage... no wonder he thinks the last guardian was at e3... but I do love the sheer amounts of sarcasm ND is giving both of them #yourwelcome http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G... Idiotic article written by Steve Boone: http://www.capitalnewyork.c...
Sir, you said exactly what I was thinking and more. I don't know who he was trying to impress, but he certainly didn't have much of a clue, and definitely based his entire knowledge of The Last of US on a single gameplay video. Poor journalism.
Seriously though. Why does he keep talking about games..
Because he's realized that people don't care about his opinion on movies, so he moved on to the closest thing to them: video games. The only problem is gamers don't give a rat's ass about his opinion either.
..And why does he have to look like a lesbian all the time?
Yeah, didn't Ebert say a while back that though he holds his opinion on games, but doesn't feel he has the knowledge to back that up? Now he's backing is argument by pimping an argument by someone else... on a game that only 5 minutes of gameplay released.
Who was the biggest troll three years ago? Just curious.
He is clearly struggling to stay relevant in an internet age when anyone can make a Youtube video and do what he does. He just made an entire demographic that is completely out of his grasp and comprehension turn on their heads and say his name.
I dismiss Roger Ebert, How about that?
People should dismiss him too much, he clearly feels entitled to think his word means a lot, though, everyone responding to him to make his word seem like it matters, makes it so it'll fuel his ego.... People will keep fighting and telling him he's a judgmental pompous douche to games, what was it, he was bashing Shadow of the Colossus before and said it had Nothing artistic about it? People trashed him until he'd change his mind, I just can't remember if he ever did, the problem is not any credibility, it's the ignorance where he makes his decisions based on half-assed reasoning, he doesn't do any research, he makes Declarations on anything he deems needing to be insulted mostly. If he knew what the hell he was talking about, people wouldn't think he's as big of a dick for his 'opinion'.
I would normally never use profanity in any of my comments, but unfortunately I feel it's necessary for this, and for that I apologise in advance. So with all my heart, Mr. Ebert, go fuck yourself.
Apparently, people care about what this guy thinks.
Hes a great movie critic. He just cant get past his prejudices.
This is true. Ebert is undeniably a great critic of film, but when it comes to gaming and interactive entertainment, the guy is way out of his depth.
...Who's Roger Ebert?
http://www.esquire.com/cm/e... I'm not even kidding right now. Don't judge, just this is the man that says those terrible things about games.
The guy had cancer and had part of his jaw removed. He speaks now with the assistance of a robotic aid.
That's why I said don't judge. If he truly didn't know who Ebert was then he might have thought that I was screwing with him, but yeah, it's not cool to make fun of him for his health conditions. Go ahead and bash him for his opinions if you want, I guess.
It's like the KKK dismissing Morgan Freeman
wait who is roger ebert? maybe im out of the loop but if i don't know him he must not be important
He's a FILM critic who thinks he knows about games...also he has half a face
yeah he doesn't seem that important still, sucks about his face though.
A very popular movie critic that doesn't give video games credit for anything.
When will the video game industry finally come to terms with the fact that Hollywood doesn't give a **** about them?
...and vice-versa. Hollywood is old news.
That's what they all said about Pop music back around 2002 when Hip Hop was outselling it. It's 2012 and Pop is still very much alive and kicking while Hip Hop is nowhere near the market force it once was. And this is coming from a die-hard Hip Hop fan.
Unfortunately, this industry has a problem with being unlike the film industry, so they do whatever they can to try to gain acceptance for other industries that still view them as an undergroud fad. It's sad because the video game industry has grown alot over the 5 or 6 decades and still hasn't been okay with the fact that it IS different, and that's it's strongest point. They need to take pointers from the porn industry. Sure, they get a bad rep and are considered a "dirty, underground" industry, but they rule the majority of this century's biggest medium (the internet) and rake in enough cash to put other forms of entertainment to shame. Despite what other people say, they just straight-up don't give a f*ck.
Actually this year for Sales of home entertainment, computer games have passed Hollywood films in market share. Not sure if Music as well. http://www.guardian.co.uk/t... This is why these people who have done film for years are starting to review games. The question is, do they review it because they know it's the latest market and set to take over or they fear games taking over the medium they love so do everything they can to bring it down.
This guy should stick to movies, games are probably too complicated for him.
usually the case when non gamers don't like games.
If he wants a game to leave something to the imagination, then he should probably play the older SilentHill games.
Ebert is stuck in his ways. He's also commenting on an article by a bloke called Steven Boone who wrote a scathing article on the prevalence of violence in video games in general. It's a valid criticism.
It does NOT mean, however, that The Last of Us leaves nothing to the imagination, or that video games are in any sense not as good as his beloved movie industry.
Ok. Let's be real here. Film has been around for a hundred plus years and has created thought-provoking ideas, plots, interesting set-pieces and has the freedom to explore adult themes. Gaming has only been around for a short time and has continually borrowed from action films specifically to appeal to an immature audience. Films have a more diverse landscape to explore while gaming has slowly started to become increasingly one-note, caught in a circle of violence. While there is a plethora of interesting, visually compelling games out there; the "core" audience has no interest in new IPs, unless they have interesting ways of killing people.
A Naughty Dog dev said it's an honor to be dismissed by Ebert lol! Nice sense of humor :)
He says a lot of stupid shit..a lot of the time.. From the comment he made about Ryan Dunn to the racist shit he's said.. and now this.. he's a film critic..i don't know why people care so much about his opinion..let alone video game makers.. they're doing something he and a lot of people in hollywood CAN'T do.. creating products that you can interact with..not just sit and watch.. just ignore him..
If this guy disses TLOU one more time, I'm gonna break his right jaw. Oh wait...
So, you're judging *him* by irrelevant criteria because he's judging games by standards that don't fit?
Holy Troll !
Dismissing a game based off two minutes of gameplay... I wonder if he dismisses a movie based off a two minute trailer?
Nope because movies are art. /s. ;) Actually, I'm quite sure that he DOES dismiss a movie after a two minute trailer. Lol
A la Dead Space 3 and countless others! I'll argue he has no merit because he's a film critic! Its ok everyone is entitled to their opinions! even if their opinions are have no grounds to stand on! I dont take his quip at TLOU seriously and prolly never will.
Well I was referring more to him judging the last of us as "leaving nothing to the imagination" with only 2 minutes of gameplay as proof of that. There is no way you can do that with a movie too. You can't come to the conclusion that a film is "leaving nothing to the imagination" based off a 2 minute trailer. As for dead space 3 it's more or less warranted when you say you want appeal to a wider audience.
I totally understand what you were saying and I agree with you! but was just saying, if we deem it wrong for a critic to dismiss a game based on 2 minutes of gameplay then we as objective gamers cant fall into the same category with dismissing another game based on 2 minutes of game play as well. we certainly dont do it for movies, so we should extend that same kind of courtesy to other games as well. :-)
ND acting cool and calm :D
Part of the old guard. I don't wish for him to die but, when he does, his opinions on games will be dead as well. It's a shame he can't acknowledge his ignorance as people said the same about film and TV and look how that turned out.
Old people say shit like this. They just don't get it. Nothing new here.
I respect his opinions for movies, but gaming is an area where he really has not an ounce of understanding.
Coming from the guy who gave Prometheus a 100... mind you I freaking loved Prometheus but its not a A++ movie. Theatrical cut wise at least. So ignore what he says about games.
So because you ever so slightly disagree with the opinions of one of the greatest movie critics of all time (in that you believe that one single movie should have received a slightly less positive rating), we should all totally disregard his thoughts in regards to a medium which draws so heavily upon the art form on which he is unquestionably an expert?
So no thumbs up then hey Roger?
I have never held much regard for Ebert or connected with any of his general opinions, whether they be about movies, world views, philosophy, or especially gaming. he has no clue what he is talking about here and is making an ass of himself.
oh pshhhh ebert, everyone knows siskel was the better critic....siskel would have played the last of us!
Awesome avatar dude
If I were Roger Ebert and had a passion for movies for 50+ years I would probably feel the Hollywood style implemented into video games as not only an insult to a medium he loves...but maybe he sees it as some kind of threat.
Umm, what? I don't think anyone should trust his reviews then if he just reviewed Last of Us and many other games without even seeing anything story-related. How am I supposed to take his movie reviews properly if he just judged an unreleased game that has nearly no story shown? My older brother was literally just telling me how amazing this guy is at reviewing movies, then I hear this. I guess I'll throw a wrench in his love for Ebert. Fantastic critic. I think more critics should judge stories before they're released. "Game of Thrones: Swords, guts and boobies? This leaves nothing to the imagination. So I will dismiss it, and so should you." Sounds right. Get on-board critics.
thought he was dead? oh well who cares
Of course he does. This from the guy who said that gaming is not art. I won't bother refuting that. We all know at least five games that are. So, the message here, once again, is "Fuck you, Roger Ebert. Nobody gives a shit what you think about games, anyway."