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This developer wants more gay games

Homosexuals aren’t particularly well represented in videogames. Sure there are games that feature LBGT characters – but mostly in a generic manner, with a one-sex-fits-all ethos – like Fable, Fallout and The Elder Scrolls. One indie game developer wants to change that, but his experimental game ideas – while trying to be “ironic,” only seem to perpetuate established stereotypes. (Culture, Industry, PC)

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Lord_Sloth  +   335d ago
Games shouldn't be about political correctness of anything. They're about fun, which is something most of them are forgetting.
Pekolie  +   334d ago
yes but we dont want a certain political party combined with an equally biased News show with masses of ignorant followers to start trying to ban gaming... ANYWHERE!!!!!

Republicans! THERE I SAID IT!!!!!

Basically include people of ALL sexualities in gaming but make sure you put it in the "right" way (thats not a political joke). Just make sure we dont get another dragon age where it makes people uncomfortable ;)
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Lord_Sloth  +   334d ago
*leans to the republican side*

*still doesn't ban anything*
DeadSpaced  +   334d ago
I'm politically neutral. Trust me, both sides have a misconception on gamers and many political figures try to be politically correct. I suggest we just keep games fun and leave the politics out.
morganfell  +   334d ago
Just as important as portraying gay people and gay life with a degree of authenticity is not shoving it into a situation where it wouldn't belong.

Part of being treated equally means special treatment goes away. It means you do not get to play the persecution card when you feel offended though no one offended. It means you can't cry foul just because you didn't get your way. It means you can't scream bias because the creative lead told you The T-1000 Terminator isn't gay.

Reality also means you have to understand you may live in a gay world but the entire world isn't gay.
ABizzel1  +   334d ago
@Lord_Sloth

You said it best. I don't care if the characters are gay or not as long as the game is good & fun.
OneAboveAll  +   335d ago
And such a game wouldn't make ANY money. Not trying to be mean here when I say this but... gay's are a minority.
PoSTedUP  +   334d ago
you said it perfectly. i was gonna be mean and say "i wouldn't want my son/daughter exposed to such stuff like it's normal, i wouldn't want them getting any funny ideas." no offense i have and have had gay friends but please stay in the closet. be gay, be proud anywhere you want, just not in the stuff our youth can get their hands on, there is a reason you dont see homosexuality in cartoons on tv or G rated movies. this is a personal topic and an opinion, no debating here these are not facts, just a point of view.

edit: i in fact agree that they should make more gay games for gay people If they demand it and the devs keep it 17+. i'm all for freedom and rights.
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Hellsvacancy  +   334d ago
Hay man dont be shy, gay is nay, i dont wanna see it, hear it, game it, do it, i want no part in it

I Love You Phillip Morris was cool though, i can handle that kinda gay, not BrokeBack Mountain though, eww
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vallencer  +   334d ago
So its ok for straight people to flaunt their sexuality anywhere they please but not gay people? Makes you sound ignorant. Whys it matter if gay people flaunt that they're gay? Because you're uncomfortable with your sexuality? Also whys it matter if gay relationships are in a video game? Its just a damn game. You say you have gay friends but you don't want them to be comfortable in society or like a game more because there are gay relationships? You have two options when it comes to a game with that kind of tone in it 1) don't buy it 2) just enjoy the game and don't get into that type of relationship then.

Its people with your mindset that are stopping things from moving forward.
OneAboveAll  +   334d ago
@Vallencer Yea. Straight people can because it's NATURAL. You know what's not natural? Sticking your dick in another mans ass. That's not how you reproduce.

In my opinion someone who is gay should be classified as having a mental issue where they are attracted to the same sex.
-Alpha  +   334d ago
@OneAboveAll

Hey, since you love being natural so much, I guess infertile straight couples shouldn't have sex since they can't reproduce-- we should campaign against straight people getting blowjobs too, as well as condoms, since, that's not how you reproduce either. Those are much more common than homosexuals.

Since you love being natural, I bet you don't even jerk off, since that's not how you reproduce. If you did, you'd be a pretty big hypocrite since you only seem to think of sex as reproduction.

Your ignorant opinion is invalidated by common sense and science, and your inability to see that makes you the one with a mental disability.
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PoSTedUP  +   334d ago
"Whys it matter if gay people flaunt that they're gay? Because you're uncomfortable with your sexuality?" no, i am uncomfortable with their sexuality. and a lot of people are. hence why most people think it is wrong. and people making me uncomfortable i am just going to make them feel uncomfortable, sorry.

"Its people with your mindset that are stopping things from moving forward."
yes I totally wouldn't this from moving anymore forward lol.

@alphs, anal sex is just sick pleasure and is the most common and easiest way to catch STD's like hepatitis and hiv, and is why hiv is now more of a homosexual disease. thus making it f***ing disgusting and wrong. you want science? the vagina lubricates its self for preparation of insertion of a penis by nature, the asshole shits out feces in preparation to build up on the next load of crap to shit out.
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-Alpha  +   334d ago
Ah OK, your argument is based on the ignorant argument from "God said so" Sorry, that argument holds absolutely zero value for anybody outside of the religiously indoctrinated.

And no, nature doesn't indicate homosexuality is unnatural, you should look again. Homosexuality is common in nature. I like how you ignored my point: Anal sex isn't strictly homosexual, nor do homosexuals strictly have anal sex. Yet, you don't seem to fight out against straight couples who are: infertile, do oral, masturbate or have anal sex. Apparently, it's just gay people you don't like for doing something unnatural.

As far as you not liking to see it, you can learn to deal with it, just like racists have to deal with seeing interracial marriage in public. Oh, the humanity! The sooner you realize the disgust you feel comes from the uneducated conditioning of your religious justification and not from the actual reality of homosexuality, the better off you will be.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me why strict reproductive sex is the only moral choice, since you seem to think that you should do what is only "natural"

Unfortunately your reasoning lies with a lazy, ignorant, and laughable "because god did it" mechanic, so I don't expect you to come up with something more reasonable. I'm also doubtful that you will, or have had only strict "natural" sex (almost nobody does) but I don't expect you to admit that.
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HarryKawkReturns  +   334d ago
@OneAboveAll

Grow up dude. You sound like the kinda "natural" man who still churns his butter and doesn't let the ladies talk until spoken to. It's 2012. Times change, dipshits don't. (language, sorry)
PoSTedUP  +   333d ago
i never said anything about religion...
animals don't have anal sex in nature u twat only humans. and even if they were Capable you don't see them adopting babies together.
homosexuals are the #1 carrier of hiv.
most people are just straight up uncomfortable with that crap hence the big issue.

SO, your first paragraph has nothing to do with what i siad. your second paragraph isn't a point i disagreed with and is irrelevant. your third paragraph liek i said idk where you got religion from im not even religious therefore is irrelevant (geeze talk about ignoring a point?).

strict reproductive sex the only moral choice? because it keeps the balance of nature and is the only way to reproduce and keep humanity going. if everyone was gay (which if it isnt wrong, we would all not exist) how is that "right"?

now that i think of it... were you even replying to me because even your last paragraph makes no sense i just schooled you and you keep going on about this nature thing and dodged All of my points by replying with topics i didn't even mention like religion etc. talk about lazy and uneducated, learn to read.and the whole thing about gays in nature was completely wrong because animals are incapable of thinking that way and having anal sex, i would assume it's because of the absent frontal lobe.
Petro  +   333d ago
@PoSTedUP Do a little search and you will quickly find that animals do have gay sex, as in fuck each other in the ass. And so that makes it as natural as natural can be, also would like to stir the pot a little by saying that animals also kill each other for many different reasons, so killing is natural too. Being gay is nothing special. I also happen to be BI sexual and happy with my girlfriend for 5 years.
Mounce  +   334d ago
Sounds ignorant tbh.

You don't statistically know the % of What gamer is Male/female, then to go to the lengths of the sub-categories of which of those males and females are straight, bi or gay.

You can't declare Any sexual orientation as a minority, many just keep it to themselves, while 'Straight' are just the blatant 'Default title' everyone is given, making it a shallow and obvious flaw in representation.

As like, "You're considered straight by default until you come out by declaring you're not"? .....
dawnfang  +   334d ago
Honestly, lets us some common sense here. A lot of people who play games are kids, and parents are normally a man in a woman, unless adoption. Would the parents want their kids to see that? of course not. Straight games are still the majority.
TacoTaru  +   334d ago
As like, "You're considered straight by default until you come out by declaring you're not"? ...

You're considered normal by default... same thing. It's normal because if everyone was gay the human population would reach Zero very quickly.
OneAboveAll  +   334d ago
Last time I checked you couldn't reproduce with another man so yea... you are straight by default.
That's how god intended it to be. And if you aren't religious that's how nature intended it to be.

And yes, gays are a minority. I see far more straight people than I do gays. Obviously gays are going to argue this up and down to prove they are right but human biology proves they aren't.

I don't have a problem with gays but it sure as hell isn't "natural".
Mounce  +   333d ago
@Taco and @OneAboveAll

You both sound like closed-minded bigots, that's very unfortunate, trying to sound confident on what is Normal and what isn't, basically saying that being anything but Straight isn't Normal? I wish people like you honestly would be banned from here, and die in real life :)

and especially towards OneAboveAll, he brings RELIGIOUSNESS in here! Why aren't people attacking this twit? Lol Nature, How god intended it to be, Gtfo, OneAboveAll, humans like you are one of the most insecure and inferior of all delinquents.

"I don't have a problem with gays but it sure as hell isn't "natural"."....

REALLY NOW?.... -.- People like this guy are what continue the chain of discrimination and ignorance.... Top it off how you try to act like you can't be argued with because you claim 'BIOLOGY' is on your side, if not Biology, then GOD is on your side? I cannot fathom how much I honestly want to kill you for your ignorance :)
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baboom223  +   333d ago
@PoSTedUP
Seriously? what the hell gives you the right to dictate that gay people aren't natural? They are people just like you and deserve the same right to doing ANYTHING that you can do, including being gay.

Oh and btw, animal homosexuality is very common throughout nature, you should have probably learnt that before calling him uneducated.

Oh and please stop trying to pull the whole 'Better for mankind" bullshit. This world is way overpopulated and I highly doubt that a minority of gay people in the population is going to stop mankind.

Oh and I almost forgot, Gay is not a choice, it is something you're born with, making it just as natural as anyone who is straight.
Godmars290  +   335d ago
Don't have a problem with homosexuality, but game devs already have issues with normal sex in games. Sex in general isn't normally a concern past kidnapped princesses, and there'd only be complaints if parents bought games for kids only to have to explain why a male hero has to rescue and is kissed by a prince.
DeadSpaced  +   334d ago
I have no problem with homosexuals. I, however, am against any form of sexuality in video games unless it directly has to do with the story.
dboyc310  +   334d ago
exactly if the story has a deep meaning then i guess is good but if it's just tacked on there for the sake of calling it "different" and having no influence on the story then i guess the game doesn't need it. Plus does it even matter? How many games revolve around lovers? most games are about military, shooting, etc. nothing related to love interest
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konnerbllb  +   334d ago
Enchanted Arms.

I couldn't play more than an hour of that game. I showed clips of it to my gay co-worker (whom I have no problem with) and he couldn't stand the gay character either.
NexGen  +   334d ago
Konner: Makoto was never official, just quite effeminate. Not sure if you fully played it, but he's quite different at the end of the game.
TopDudeMan  +   334d ago
So you want to make a game for gay people, or you want gay characters in games? Hey, as long as the game is not purely about gayness, then I'm fine with that, as long as it isn't a big part of the game.
InTheZoneAC  +   334d ago
what was that gay rpg for the xbox 360 that featured main gay characters. Came out around 5 years ago

there is no reason to implement gay characters in a game, let alone have it revolve around gay characters.
Drazz  +   334d ago
Magna Carta?
InTheZoneAC  +   334d ago
just came to mind...Enchanted Arms
Reborn  +   334d ago
I don't see it.

Why put into sex, in any form, just for the sake of it? Does it have a place in the story? Is it a key piece? If not, then it shouldn't be put in.
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ARC3582  +   334d ago
Seriously, how many gays are actually complaining they're not represented well in games? I think this is more about shock value than anything else. That, or a whole bunch of basement dwellers complained there weren't enough lesbian scenes in Mass Effect...
jocomat9  +   334d ago
Has he heard of COD?
Pekolie  +   334d ago
HAHA oh god no. Please stop... so funny/s

Keep these sort of jokes to yourself dude...
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leogets  +   334d ago
nothing new to add here u guys said it all. that being said theres quite a lot of gay refrences in mp side of battlefield 3. "im gettin my shit pushed in" and "im gettin fucked up the ass over here" lol. find it quite funny really. shoulda left them dialogues for a navy game me thinks ;)
Qrphe  +   334d ago
If you don't want homosexuals in your games, then don't buy those games, no one is forcing you.
vortis  +   333d ago
How would someone know they're in the game? Unless it's a heavily advertised feature for the game.

Fact Sheet:

50 different weapons
8 amazing missions
Two different story campaigns
One big blumpkin
Hicken  +   334d ago
I can't directly reply thanks to the site being messed up, but I agree with DeadSpaced. If it contributes to the story, it doesn't matter to me whether the relationship or sexual content is homosexual or heterosexual.
Dark11  +   334d ago
No i don't want gay shit in my games , it is not normal
seriously some people born with dick and doesn't know how to use it right.
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Indigon  +   334d ago
Someone found the time machine from the Middle Ages!!!
Dark11  +   334d ago
haha i was expcting someone to say this .. nice try ;)
NastyLeftHook0  +   334d ago
exactly, thats why a man has his business and a female has hers, the two body parts work perfectly and make a baby, there is a reason a man does not have what a female has.
h311rais3r  +   334d ago
I'm sorry but that is jus ignorant. Being gay is not a choice. If someone is gay and likes male parts who are you to tell them other wise? Just because the parts won't produce a baby doesn't mean they can't be sexually pleased. If a man/woman loves another man/woman then why should YOU care.

You should change ur name to tentonsoflube. Ignoramous.

The homophobia is rediculous. Homosexuality DOES NOT effect anyone.

Oh and if 2 girls making out/ touching eachother gets you off cut your dick off hypocrite.
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AKA  +   334d ago
I can believe how many brainwashed ignorant are out here,
WAIT I can believe it since is in games, movies, books, music and even school are used to brainwash this kids, mens.
why is so hard to use logic? just like tentonsoftube did?

you want to please yourself? with others likes you? then your mentally sick just like someone will like to please them self with a lil kid are...

but I will not argue logic with someone who is already to math into it and I can't change anyones way to think anyways, so is no point.

but i do hope that people like tentonsoftube who are normal, are smart enough to not let their kids been brainwash. and I do hope for the other normal people who are not smart enough, to be and don't let the propaganda brainwash their kids .
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DeadSpaced  +   334d ago
Homophobic Dark11 is homophobic.

Whether or not you agree with what they do, it honestly does not affect you. If you aren't gay then when they have intercourse, you aren't present or involved. In other words, it has absolutely NO effect on you, so why hate them?

Since we both used up our bubbles, just PM me your answer.
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baboom223  +   333d ago
You're sad. I want you to know that.
ShaunCameron  +   334d ago
Well if he wants more gay games, why don't he just get up off his butt and make them? He needs to stop expecting other people to do it for him.
NastyLeftHook0  +   334d ago
that's why im not buying there games, its a personal choice. ;)
Dark11  +   334d ago
Well said.
Hicken  +   334d ago
You exercising your personal choice is fine.

You telling them their lifestyle is wrong when it affects no one but themselves is NOT fine.

You coming up with flawed excuses(saying "it's not natural" is moot when homosexual acts exist in nature) is NOT fine.

I mean, I guess I should start picking cotton in some white man's back yard, since that was the "natural" order of things for hundreds of years, right?
CoLD FiRE  +   333d ago
And you telling him that him telling them their lifestyle is wrong is NOT fine, is NOT fine!

See what I did there?
Jls1  +   334d ago
lolwut when I read the title
Fullmetalevolust  +   334d ago
If it's a game like Catherine, where romance and sexuality is at the center of the story, then yes, giving a fair amount of space to gay love stories should be part of those games.
There should be an array of gay characters represented in video games and not just one type (not that there's anything wrong with the stereotypical gays).
Most gamers seem to think that it's okay if the main character is gay, as long as it pertains and adds to the story, and I agree.
AgreeFairy  +   334d ago
More? Isn't Halo & Gears of War enough?
WetN00dle69  +   334d ago
Guess not which is why they brought in Killzone, God of War and Uncharted.....those games are FABULOUS! LMFAO!!!!!!!!
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godzilla72  +   334d ago
How bout this, leave all the sex outta video games. That way no one has to get offended. If i wanna see sex, ill just go fuck my gf or pop in a porn. Leave the shit outta games, period! Its not necessary.
2pacalypsenow  +   334d ago
EW
Prototype  +   334d ago
Fear Effect 2 Retro Helix had lesbian main characters

Enchanted Arms was a joke with the gay guy

Dragon Age I was told there was the option but I was too busy trying to complete the game to care

Those are the only ones off the dome I can think of.

I personally could care less if there was straight/gay characters in a game; a good story means a good game, just because there's a "sexual preference" advertised in a game doesn't make it any better than a generic copy. I'm mature enough, and secure of my personal choice to not let it bother me at all.
powney91  +   334d ago
As a homosexual, I wouldn't say that we are not 'represented' enough, or that developers should include them more often. If it made sense to a particular story and a character wasn't included for the sake of ticking a box, then sure, go right ahead :)
ABizzel1  +   334d ago
Congrats to you for being open enough to share something of your personal life on the "dreaded internet".
vortis  +   333d ago
I'm not really sure why sharing personal information with the public is something you congratulate someone on.

It's like someone saying how often they masturbate or what they masturbate to. Do we congratulate them for being open about that?

I figure you can express opinions without sexual preference dictating said public opinion.
Moby-Royale  +   334d ago
I think a huge part of the problem is that people try to make GAY characters, when they should be making CHARACTERS who happen to be gay. That's just my take on it though.
krautgamer  +   333d ago
well said.. does it actually affect your bobbles when i click "well said"
Moby-Royale  +   333d ago
I know that it relies on some sort of a voting system. I.e. if enough people vote somebody down their total bubbles go down, and vise versa.

What I DON'T know is it if is an accumulative count, or if it goes by votes of an individual comment.

Lol Anyway thank-you. :)
aviator189  +   334d ago
Lol, I don't know what to think about this one, but my daughter walked in and she just stared at that submission picture with jaws floored. I'm not against it, it's just that they should nail down the characters first before approaching their sexuality - like Moby-Royale said above.
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Vashlion  +   334d ago
I personally don't have anything against gay characters. I mean if it works with the story, or flows naturally, that's cool. But don't force the topic.
Killman  +   334d ago
I laugh at the few bigoted comments above. If a developer wants to do this, I say go for it. Like it or not, homosexuals are a part of society. Someone mentioned above that gays are a minority, making it seem like they do not matter because of that. Well, here in America, Mexicans are a minority yet we cater to them all the time. Blacks are also a slight minority in comparison to whites yet we have had many things in media centered around them. Hell, we give talentless people like Lil Wayne millions and millions of dollars. Being a minority doesn't mean shit. There is nothing wrong with what this developer said.

I agree that sexual related things should not be a selling point though, I have absolutely nothing against these things, it is just that a story has little potential if that is what you aim at.
HurstDarkStar  +   334d ago
ok forget the political side for a second where is this huge market for gay oriented games and the so call buyers? I mean forget for a fact that most of the the gaming market is just guys playing games and lets assume that most are straight. Whose buying these gay oriented games? Now lets add in the personal views no nothing wrong with being gay you like what you like dont try and change your self but no way in hell imma buy a game thats trying to sell itself off of being the only "gay game in the market" that means shit to me
MacDonagh  +   334d ago
Limited in scope. Protagonists in games especially need more experimentation because they are usually white, brown/black hair, and 30-something. It'd be nice to control a person with a more "diverse" background I guess, but it's never going to happen because publishers are scared of taking risks. Mirror's Edge anyone?
Subzero200  +   334d ago
"This developer wants more gay games"

funny i dont seem to want any of these fuc**** games, and Keep this sh** out of games period.
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Bathyj  +   334d ago
I wonder if devs avoid gay characters just to side step any issues that might arise.

Lets say for example, Max Payne, Wife and Daughter killed, Max goes out for revenge.

If Max was gay and his boyfriend got killed, would that cause outrage? Would the game be labelled homophobic or gaybashing?

Would it be seen as a guy that got killed because he was gay, or as a guy who got killed who happened to be gay and no bearing on why he was killed?
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