Some unnamed person has tipped that Microsoft will be dropping the price of the Premium 360 another $49 on the same day that GTA IV gets released.
So it isn't for tomorrow!
Microsoft on that point is not doing as well as sony.
and a smart move also , i say the PS3 will get a price drop too
this is jst speculation...what everyone is expecting...msoft needs another price drop to stimulate more sales and sony needs more games and then another price drop for mgs4
saw it coming a mile away. GTA 4 is such a mega hit in the US and it's probably the game that will bring the PS2 owners into the next-gen. When these people walk into a retailer to get GTA IV, they're going to have to choose which console they want to play it on. Are they going to make the wise choice or just go with what's cheaper?
I guess we'll find out come GTA's launch.
They could have made a deal with Rockstar to drop the price of the 360 in conjunction with the release of GTA4 whether it's spring 08 or fall 08. This isn't much a leg up on the PS3 because Sony can also drop the price to $350 with free online since, so it's the same price as the 360 with xbl gold. After all the PS3 system-wise is already breaking even.
Smart move. But I'm sure the rumor didn't come from Microsoft. No console maker leaks or announces a price decrease months in advanced they will kill their sales.
like 400 to make one now, so they break even on every PS3 now
So its a NO Brainer that Sony will have a Price drop so M$ is just trying to steel
the spot light with this rumor (i bet is true) on the upcoming pricedrop that Sony will anounce soon.
Monkey see monkey doo's
that be awesome and i hope they drop the elite too
church works indirectly with Microsoft in the Dallas area. I guess they have a store in the Microsoft building here that people with a MS connection such as himself can pick up the Elite for $279.00. So I think MS could easily give the rest of the public another price drop.
The week BEFORE GTAIV comes out the price drop is going to happen and it will be for almost $100 bucks NOT $50
that only last 3 months and then you have to exchange it...is ridiculous!! First take care of RROD and then start thinking about dropping prices.
Definition, take care of RROD: means built another SKU that WONT go RROD after another 3 months.
What people dont realize is that they are buying a 3 years console, the time that the guarantee last.
If this is true then i'll buy a 360. I was going to get the Arcade but if the premium goes down to that price it won't make any sense.
"Ha! So much for Microsoft's Perfect Storm"
Yeah we can file "the perfect storm" in the video game history books right next to "4d 120 fps at 1080p".
Make a 360 GTA IV bundle.
i hope they drop the price on all sku. not just the premium version.
the price drop will get more people to buy a 360 when GTA4 is released.
hopes sony bundels mgs4 and lowerd price around that time or somthing
NOOOOOO microsoft DONT it will mean game over for the console wars on the internet and 2008 i wanted to have more fun on n4g ,when this happens the 360 sales will skyrocket to millions being sold each month
What are you talking about? How will this end the console war? Please, tell me, I'm interested in hearing it.
and so will sony....
How can they. SOny cannot afford to keep dropping the price ever 3 months.
You can't be serious. If MS drops it's price to 199.99
Sony will not be able to respond to that. This isn't a fantasy world we live in. sony cannot keep cutting it's price.
Actually, production costs for the PS3 are dropping far faster than the 360 and while M$ is making 'profit' on the 360's sold now, it is profit to counter the $1 Billion spent on the RROD issue, so can you really count it as profit? IMO, Sony can drop a price to match any price M$ drops to at this point. Neither will be huge because the profit margin on both consoles is so small.
actually, Sony production costs are not dropping at all.
Sony has merely gimped the number of components in the 40gb ps3 to make it more affordable.
no emotionengine hardware
no 80 gb hdd, only 40gb
no 4 usb, only 2
the rsx is still designed and made by nvidia for SONY at great cost
the bluray diode is still outsourced.
..... expensive indeed.
What you mention is about $100.
The price of the Ps3 production has gone from $800 to $400 in one year.
You do the math.
@6.2 you will be surprised outsourcing is cheaper than manufactured yourself. Your comment seem clueless about Sony cost reduction plan.
the 40gig PS3 now costs the equal of 400USD to make...the 360 Premium is ~$325 as of the last update, but it has not been confirmed on whether that is the the falcon or not (the 65nm processors in the falcon will very likely be lower in price to manufacture...so who knows right now)...
the 80gig PS3, which only has 40gig bigger HDD and the emotion engine of the PS2...is rumored to only be ~$38 more to make...so whoever is saying that production costs of the PS3 "are not falling" is dead wrong...there is only a very marginal decrease in price from dropping internal components...its BD diode and Cell production costs plummeting that are seeing the biggest cuts in ps3 production costs...
in either case...Sony has always been far more willing to take a larger hit from console sales than MS...MS has been rumored to be selling the 360 at a profit for a lot of 2007...yet Sony was still paying nearly 800USD for most of the year, while having various price cuts and product phase outs (understandably so based on how poor sales were at certain points of the year)...what is obvious though is that both are going to be able to match each others price drops...a $299 Ps3 is also a very big possibility...
MS more or less has to have a price drop...the PS3 is relatively different...Sony has a very big trump card with "you can play both GTAIV and MGS4 within a month of each other only on this system"...MS has absolutely no leverage in that regard...if Sony does in fact match a MS price drop, and confirms KZ2 for a mid summer release like some are rumoring, there is a big doubt that MS's drop will have the impact they are hoping...
I don't believe for a second that sony cut their hardware cost $400 in a year. They struggled just to get the 40gb to the price they have for it now. I would be more apt to believe that sony lied about the $800 hardware cost than what your assuming. It's not like the ps3 sold like hotcakes last year, and it's software sales are laughable. If there is another ps3 pricecut this year, imo at the earliest it will be late fall or early winter.
lol sony is making money off ps2. They have 2 systems out unlike the other two guys. They will drop the price to get the ps3 selling. M$ dollars love money so I dont know why that fool thinks they would drop their price to 199.
u mean 3 systems, dn't forget PSP(which has been selling rly well as of late)
I'll wait for better sources.
It would be smart though. With all of Sony's games i can see why
I concur, it would be smart to wait for a better source. Sure, the price will be dropping (as will the PS3), and it would be smart to do it with one of 2008's sure-fire biggest sellers, especially since only the Xbox 360 will have the complete GTA game.
That said, MS has plenty of great games lined up. No one's worried in Washington I'm sure.
people who buy it for the xbox will have the complete game a year after it is released, i really doubt the extra content will push that many people.
Sure they have games, but i'm talking about MGS4. While i'm sure you know nothing about Playstation games. Metal Gear has sold consoles for Playstation everytime a new one released. Microsoft has nothing as creative or as deep a story, that could compete with Metal Gear. So what could they do to compete with that? Drop the price so people will get GTA4 for there system instead of the PS3.
As a side note, while its amusing that your so insecure with your consoles line-up that you post a possible games list every other post. Maybe you should try a new a approach. . .
It cracks me up when 360 Fanboys say, the "Complete GTA Experience," or any one of its numerous descriptions.
I would gladly, pay $60 dollars for a game like GTA for the Ps3 because it is, by itself a massive game with tons to do. However, to get the "complete experience," you could be paying, if Oblivion is any indication, upwards of $20 dollars per episode. Now, if they are worth it, great, but I don't see this extra content getting top priority. I mean, the studio is still slated to work on 3 PS3 exclusives, which means that a secondary dev. team might be building the content, or even another studio.
More importantly, when the add-ons finally hit, will it even matter? More sandbox games, such as Infamous and Prototype, will be available by then and, as big of a hit GTA is, its appeal doesn't last long in the general gaming world. But it's like that with any big name release. Hype until it drops, then nothing.
Yet 360 fanboys laud the "extra content" as if it will be available immediately upon purchase. It's that logic that makes me laugh.
way to go Wage...you posted that list yet again...
and its funny how you think a list like that gives confidence to people questioning the 360's 2008 lineup...
it doesn't have one single big exclusive on there, aside from possibly NG2 (and I am talking only on the 360 exclusive, not coming out on the pc also)...there are some hopefull "likely in 2009" descriptions on some (Haze being primarily the big one)...and 90% of the "only on xbox" titles are also on the PC...
they didn't even mention Gears 2...which, while not announced, is truely the only exclusive title that the general public will even know about...
one system is offering MGS4 and GTAIV within roughly a month of each other...and please remind me of what franchises helped fuel the death that came to competing consoles from the business end of Sony's gun last generation...GTAIII and MGS2 were in a huge portion of PS2 owners library back then...what PS2 owner looking forward to GTAIV is going to pick up a 360 "for the full experience" when it immediately leaves them lacking any way of enjoying MGS4?...if you think the exclusive'ness of MGS4 won't play a big part of which console people buy for GTAIV, it will soon be apparent...
Arcade will drop to 229, elite to 399 or 379..
Sony will respond and the price wars shall commence!
Everyone on N4G has been predicting this for almost a year now lol. But it's to be expected, if anything, it'd be a surprise. Microsoft need to drop the price of their one of their popular SKU's. People would argue they should have done in time for Christmas but they need profits for their gaming division.
But this rumour doesn't have weight in terms of source, it's just "unnamed person". That could be anyone of us here!
im the unnamed person:D
No way man. I'm the unnamed person!!!!!!!!
NO both of you are lying. I am the Unamed dood.
And I'm Surfer Girl.
And i'm the disagree bandit. So STFU all of you, or you get the disagree treatment. You've been warned.
I have my six different accounts ready... you don't believe me? Just try me...
you seem to like "iffy" sources when they support your viewpoints.
so xbox 360 will be 300 + the 50 online and only for 50$ more you get the better system with allot more features? ahahah
The 360 is the best game console on the market. So why not get a premium and a year of Live, instead of getting a ps3 that has inferior 3rd party titles, less games, and a inferior online service? If gaming is the reason to buy a game console, then 360 is the best choice hands down. Also, you can rent HD movies from the Marketplace, so it's not like you can't watch HD movies on the 360.
The 360 is not the best gaming machine, it's actually the worst (I'm talking about the actual hardware, here). However, it does have the most (and arguably the best) games. Therefore, if the only thing you ever do is play games, then sure, the 360 is the console for you. But you can't say it wins 'hands down'.
Firstly, both the PS3 and Wii, are better machines than the 360, in terms of hardware quality. Now that's a fact, and it's undebatable. however, the Wii doesn't really fot the bill for the 'hardcore gamer', and the PS3 happens to have less games.
The big problem for the 360, however, is that a lot of gamers are stating to care about tons of other features, such as HD movies, multimedia capabilities, Linux compatability, media sharing, and a lot of other features that the PS3 happens to excel in.
Couple the PS3's advantages with a rapidly improving free online service, not to mention a superb games line-up for 2008, and the 360 looks to have a bit of a fight on its hands in the coming years.
I'm confident Microsoft will find a way to compete, like making Live free, and taking care of some other problems, but you can't deny that the PS3 has made one hell of a comeback, especially considering the crap it got when it was first realeased.
Personally, I don't really want any console to lose, because when a console loses, gamers losse with it. And we happen to be gamers. Gamers forst, and fanboys last.
I just hope everyone enjoys 2008. It looks to be pretty awesome for the 360 and the PS3.
That may be the case for you regarding the ps3. But your in a small percentage of the gaming market. The majority of people buy a game console first and foremost to play games. The 360 performs as a game machine much better than the ps3. The game library for 360 is of higher quality (according to metacritic), and more diverse than the ps3's current meager offerings. And comparing the online services, Live is far and away better. Anything that I can think of involving gaming, the 360 does better than the ps3. And yes watching HD movies is something you can do on the 360, and it's as cheap as renting a movie at a videostore, but it's more convient. Why would someone looking for a game console want to pay more for a lower quality gaming experience?
I wasn't giving an opinion. The 360 versions of 3rd party titles are superior in arguably 90% of releases. The gaming media has reported on the differences in quality all last year. As for having more games, diversity, and higher quality titles I used metacritic. They take scores from a multitude of pro-media gaming websites. Here are the 360 and ps3 pages:
http://www.metacritic.com/g... http://www.metacritic.com/g... As you can see the 360 has 321 total titles while the ps3 only has 127. The 360 has 11 AAA titles, the ps3 has 3.
Lastly, yes PSN is free, and after using Live it's obvious why. If a person wants the best online gaming available then a measly 11 cents a day, or $4.13 a month is a small price to pay for the quality of the Live service. Actually, the only people that I ever hear crying about it are rabid sony fanboys, grasping for anything to justify their purchase of a ps3.
There's nothing you said there that I can logically disagree with (since it's your opinion, it wouldn't make sense to disagree) apart from the PS3 costing more.
You will find, in fact, that the PS3 is only £20 more than the 360 (I don't know what it is in USD) and has free online, whereas it's £40 a year for the 360. The 360 also uses batteries for the controller, and there are other little costs that I'm not going to list, because that would be picky.
While most of these costs are a bit piddly, after a year, you will have already spent around £80 more (this will vary) on your 360 than you would on a PS3 after a year (provided you bought the Premium system) so in the end, these costs all add up.
If we're talking value for money, the PS3 blows the competition out of the water, and that is mathematically undebatable. The only thing is, if you are a gamer with essentially Western tastes, and always go where the most games are, that's where the 360 draws customers.
The only problem with the wealth of games is that this may end after 2008, as the PS3 starts to gain more third-party support, and Sony have had, for years, the best first-party developers in the business.
The good news for you is that this should push Microsoft to up their game a little, in which case that's a win for 360 owners, as it can only result in a better experience for you.
So, whether the PS3 or 360 is the better console is purely a matter of personal tastes and preferences. There is no clearly 'better' console, as they both gain in some areas that the other does not, and lack in others.
In the end, owners of both consoles win, as the 360 and PS3 are both amazing consoles, and that is one fact that you can't argue against :)
I would hope the X360 has a bigger game library its only been out an entire year longer than the PS3 has.
Edit: Lol a disagree for stating that? Thanks for the love!
I'm sure Sony would drop the price then as well. If they did, I personally feel that its more likely we'll see a bigger spike in sales due to that price cut with the PlayStation 3 instead of the Xbox 360.
But all those saying Sony will follow suit...dont count on it. Sony needs to have a stable price for a bit. They have been dropping prices and losing money left and right to get the PS3 going in the right direction. They have finally found a price point that seems to be getting traction. You couple that and the upcoming big titles which are expected to sell units and I think Sony will be waiting to see how the consoles sales hold up. I highly doubt Sony will price cut in March. If anything I think it would come around E3 and if not then, for sure at the holiday time frame.
He wants to get a 360 because I won't let him take mine from my room lol.
If this is true, then WOOT!
Both ps3 and xbox 360 will get some kind of price cuts during GTA IV launch window or at least bundles deals
Do you really expect to see a Ps3 price cut by march?
Expect the PS3 to be at $349 atleast, but maybe even as low as $299. Sony has cut prices in half, so they would have a lot more to lost not saying within range of the Xbox360 price.
I dont think they will drop the 80gb price however. They will probably bundle 2 games with it, and maybe an extra controller.
I wonder what the Wii will do? With prices being in range and below, I think they will ahve to drop price to keep momentum. Otherwise they might lose momentum with GTAIV release
Drop the price by 50 and throw in GTA and then your talking!
well if M$ do this sony is probably going to do it 2 there was already talk about another Price drop after they cut Production cost in half. I can see a new 40gb for $350 or maybe $299 and the 80gb for $450 or 399.99. I kinda doubt it will be in spring though cuz sony hasn't turned a profit on the PS3 yet.
It would be sure to snake a lot of sales away from potential customers of the other brand.
Then again, by that time I expect the PS3 to be above 10 or 11 million, with the 360 at 18 or so.
Either way, it's a safe bet that this will be a million seller for both install bases.
Really lower the price of the 360 which means Sony would have to follow suit. Which means I would buy a PS3 to go along with my 360. I can't believe people actually paid like 800$ for a PS3 that is ridiculous, if that was me I would feel like an idiot.
i paid £435, roughly $800.
i was happy to pay it then, im i still happy now. If you want tech first you have to pay more, simple.
i paid £2000 for my HDTV, now its £1100. yes its a pain, but thats the price you pay.
Sure it cost way more than it should have but still everyone who saw it was like, OMG a PS3 WOOT FTW FTMFW LOL ROFL AWEZOM N00B Kill3r how L33t.
that wont matter since gta is a playstation brand ever since, people waiting for gta will buy a playstation to play it.
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First and Second GTA ( PC ) Third one and so on also on PC. Sooo? Well... Super, Great, Excellente they lower the price, more players online = more people to kill in FPS = more FUN! d^_^b_m Im getting a PS3! in 2009... NOT !!!
You're assuming that all GTA fans are also Sony fanboys. If GTA is all you are looking for, then the 360 is just as compelling (if not more for this purpose) a platform to buy as the PS3.
Thats 150 quid!!! ohhhhh! i'm buying a second!
If they were going to cut a price that would be the time to do it.
however this is just a rumour from an unamed source. We've had a lot MS fanboys on this site predicting a price cut for a while, but that wasn't news!
I had heard that further cuts were not likely, as there was presure on the division to actually make some cash. Given that Sony's costs are continyually falling, and they would likey respond, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense if you do a financial analysis, but you never know!
I'll nver moan if machine prices come down!
maybe im wrong, but i think im right in thinking M$ farm out their hardware production to 3rd parties, surely that puts them at their mercy?
sony's costs have remained relatively constant:
see my post 6.3
Doesn't Sony farm out their rsx to nvidia?
heck, doesn't nvidia own the rsx design?
Crikey, Does that mean sony is at the mercy of nvidia with regard to the cost of the gpu for the entire life of the ps3?
hmmm.. questions questions....
Microsoft outsourcing the 360 hardware is not relevant here. The 360 was designed with components that have historically followed a natural cost reduction curve.
Cost cutting was a primary consideration during the design cycle for Microsoft, whereas Sony's primary considerations were bleeding edge technology and Blu-Ray market synergy.