Is it just us asking this question, why do people really care about the Wii U's horsepower, or more specifically its graphical output? should we not care more about the games coming to the Wii U?
Well, look at it this way. This is nintendo's next system, and so far I am put off by the controller, and that's the system's selling point. Okay, if I'm not interested in that, let me check out the way it looks. Not totally blowing me away, but I will get better looking. The problem, the wiiu will get better looking in comparison to the 360 and PS3, what does that mean for their evolutions? Third party support seems utterly lacking and Nintendo has admitted they won't be able to catch sony and ms with online capability. It's not 2004 anymore, online is a massive key to the success of the 360 and ps3. And finally more powerful systems can handle more complex game systems. Bigger, denser worlds, more intricate AI, etc. And then there's the wiiu asking price, which remains a mystery and most likely won't be cheap. That is why I am off-put by the WiiU.
Allow me to argue a couple of things. 1. The controller is a regular controller with a screen in the middle. If you're off-put by the way it looks then that's fine, but I'd suggest giving it a swing before dismissing it altogether. 2. They showed an entire montage of third party games at E3. Yes, most of them are older titles, but a few of them, like Aliens and Assassin's Creed, are new. The Ninja Gaiden game also seems to be looking much better from its previous iteration according to various previews I read. There's also ZombiU and P-100, both of which are exclusives. 3. We don't know the final specs of the Wii U just yet nor do we know much of anything about the online infrastructure outside of Miiverse. I've played online games on the 3DS before and they all actually work quite well. I'm hard-pressed to believe that that would not translate to Wii U eventually, if not at launch. I can understand the skepticism surrounding the console, but it should be noted that there's also a great deal of potential. Sadly there are two many question marks as of right now. Even after E3, the bulk of it is still speculation. Shame, really.
Just about to reply with some of the things you have just said poprocks. Thanks :)
I remember seeing a comparison between Wii U and PS3 showing AC3 and Wii U looked better even though it was off screen footage.
although i do jump back from time to time, it'll be like playing the ps2 throughout this whole generation of ps3/360 Next gen with the WiiU and PS4/720, not happening... nintendo are behind in the times, they Did dominate this generation, but i'm somehow smelling it was a bad move for the future of their company if they don't have another catchy gimmick.. hope i'm wrong. ever since i was little i always cared about the graphics "the sega looks so cool" "oh wow the gamegear is hand held and it looks the same!" n64/ ps1 and so on and so forth.
My issue with the controller is how big and heavy it is rather than how other looks, I'd guess its the same for this bloke.
Umm srry to say this but it wont be able to play next gen 3rd party titles like the new star wars game or Watch dogs.....but the controller,they have a alternative guys,it looks like a 360 controller and acully looks good for fps and other games.So the controller is fine,im surprised you did not mention that Poprock sense you tend to be in favor of this console.In my eyes its okay but im not buying it.
People care about the Wii U's power because they're looking for a reason to upgrade from their PS3s and 360s. We're looking for something that captures our imagination. So far we've seen a gamepad with a screen that has been used for inventory, sniping, mini games and a few other gimmicky additions. I'm sure Nintendo have something cool up their sleeves but WE haven't seen it yet. Naturally the next thing we turn to is power. And because a few of us got burned by the Wii this gen... (Gimmicky controller, marginally more powerful than the gen before.) ...we want to know if this is the Wii all over again or a worthy Next Gen console. Time will tell.
I know power wont make gameplay better, but more power = better grahpic, more stuff, bigger game. When you got like Wii, you cant make GTA 4 on Wii beucase Wii is weak. So you need power to make GTA 4 on Wii. So, thats why people care about Wii U power
"I know power wont make gameplay better, but more power = better grahpic, more stuff, bigger game. " More costs, more risks. Just because there is more power to work with, doesn't automatically mean that games will be bigger.
The thing is... PS3 and Xbox 360 has pushed to limits and PS4 and Xbox720 will have big grahpic leap. Thing worrys me that when they make games like GTA 6, or some big new games, then they make it on Xbox720 and PS4 which has alot power, and Wii U is too weak to run this game. So it will be Wii over again. To I remember seeing a comparison between Wii U and PS3 showing AC3 and Wii U looked better even though it was off screen footage. AC3 may looks a little bit better on Wii U, but when AC4 comes to PS4 and X720, then Wii U is too weak to run it. So does it help? It has only 7 month grahpic leap, then Wii U is outdated.
If you play PC games with high settings then you should know we won't have a huge leap in the next gen. Also, Wii lacked a lot of VERY important GPU features and it also lacked HD visuals, that's why the Wii looks so terrible when compared to the x360/PS3, and that's why it couldn't handle some engines, it's not just about power, it's more about GPU features. Now the WiiU has all the features to run any next gen engine and it probably won't look that bad when compared to the x720/PS4 games. I believe the WiiU x x720/PS4 will be like PS2 x xbox1. PS2 was inferior but it had much better support and games. Maybe the same thing will happen with the WiiU? I doubt, but the PS2 is proof that we can't downplay the WiiU before it is released.
You can disagree as much you want, i dont care. Fact is, when PS4 and X720 has lot power, then Wii U will be same as PS3 and Xbox 360 against Wii. Which means no new Call of Duty, GTA, Assassisn Creed or other big titles on Wii U because its too weak to run it. Wii U may get old multiplatform games what are already on PS3 or Xbox 360, but it wont get games what coming on PS4 and Xbox720.
Er... you don't have a spec sheet on any of those consoles, do you? Because I'd sure as hell love to see them.
@-Superman- It's sad to see people misinformed like you making stupid comments like this one. And you wonder why people give you disagrees. Wii doesn't even have programable shadders and this is one of the reasons it can't run some engines, has nothing to do with power, it's more about GPU features. WiiU will have all the features for next gen engines (even the Iphone will have Unreal Engine 4 support because it already has all the required features for the UE4). That's why the WiiU will be able to handle every engine and every next generation game (but of course, it won't have the same quality). All the GPU and CPU features are there. This time, developers will be able to make WiiU versions of any game. Also, the Wii always had Call of Duty titles (even the new games like Modern Warfare 3), you are very misinformed. Do you know why Wii has all the COD titles (even if it's just an inferior version)? Because the Wii has all the features to run the COD engine, just like the WiiU has all the features to run Unreal Engine 4 and the next generation engines. Now I think you should learn more about development before you spread more wrong infos.
'Which means no new Call of Duty' Right... Since CoD has been pushing the graphics envelope... Oh wait, no, they've been shamelessly and unapologetically putting out the same 'Just enough detail, just enough resolution' graphics since 2007.
if you're put off by the controller, check out the wii-u pro controller
I think the reason most gamers are irritated is because we actually WANT Nintendo to release another amazing system, they're just constantly disappointing. Most of us grew up with SNES/N64 and have amazing memories with them, but it's irritating that Nintendo opts to release inferior hardware instead of being cutting edge as they were in the past. It'd be incredible to have all the classic Nintendo franchises as current titles that competed with Uncharted graphically. I mean seriously imagine that? Especially with as cartoony as their games are they'd look mindblowing. It's just frustrating that they decided to betray their hardcore fans to expand gaming to soccer moms, and instead of fixing it by making a serious leap with the Wii U, it seems they're apologizing by giving gamers what they should have 6 years ago... Too little too late imo
While most gamers have no problem playing games that may not have the best graphics because they are fun or the art direction dictates the less than stellar graphics. HOWEVER- games that strive for realism such as CoD or RPGs with high end graphics should look as good as possible. And why would I choose to buy a game for the WiiU that looks more realistic on another console? Graphics are not everything. I agree. But if you are going to buy a game for a system wouldn't you buy the one that looks the best. (assuming they play the same across all platforms)
Because Ghz = Fun. Unless you mention PCs. Then that doesnt count.
because it's next gen...thats why
because here in america we like to measure our d!ck sizes and compare them to others we think bigger is better
More power means better AI, physics, particles, draw distance, level design etc That's why we care. Graphics aren't te reason for power.
It was ok until draw distance. Best level design is a work for the designer of the game. And nintendo is one of the best doing it. In an underpowered Wii, you know.
Please h311rais3r, consider these things. Do you really think that 99% of developers are going to use the extra power of a 'PS4' and 'Xbox720' for those things and inflate already overly expensive development costs? Do you really think that Sony and MS are going to release new consoles that are heads and tails more powerful than the Wii U even though their current systems tax developers when it comes to cost and difficulty to program for? No. Like you see on a lot of PC games, more power means less work for optimization. Meaning developers can cut corners, be sloppy and still get decent results rather than pushing the console to get everything they can out of it. Graphics will not make a significant leap on consoles over the next few years. A few developers will push the physics/particles/etc envelope, but not many of them, because they know that most gamers can't and won't recognize the difference to an extent that makes it worthwhile. 100,000 elitist GHZ whores don't make a big enough difference in sales to make such development costs affordable. Seeing as the Wii U is to some undisclosed extent more capable than current gen consoles, it will most likely have the same games, with very comparable look and feel to the others.
Because as of now the "people" complaining have nothing else to complain about. When the PS3 and 360 fist dropped the games for it didn't even show it's true power. Even at the end of each consoles life cycle we are still reading or hearing devs say that they are pushing the consoles to the max and turning out gorgeous games.
PIKMIN LOOKS KIDDY. /s There I threw in a classic for ya.
The console is going to be powerful enough to run everything the current gen can throw at it in addition to some next gen games built from the ground up on the console. I keep rehashing this in other threads.. people are worried because the dont want another Wii a system that sits there after the initial gimmick wears off and turns out to be a waste of money.. The reason Wii U will be different is obviously the tablet in addition to a handful of social features, modern tech, and first party HD titles. People need to calm down until we actually know what the specs are.. I am just as worried as everyone else because I want Nintendo to be successful and come out with some NEW ideas that I havent seen already... I own a PC and all 3 systems and honestly I feel like PS3 and XBOX release the same old colorless 3rd person games with a different story line... The Wii altho the graphics sucked for the most part had a lot of unique stuff that I hadnt already seen on the other consoles or even PC .. Nintendo does what they say they are going to do .. bring a unique experience.. only this time with HD graphics and the possibility of 3rd party developers who have no excuse now to talk about "it isnt powerful enough we cant make games for it"... PS4 and 360 are assumed that they will be this beastly machine, but we dont even know what the heck they will have in them.. As far as we know the Wii U could be a huge success without having state of the art tech and Sony and MSFT could follow suit with a slight bump in specs... "Fact is, when PS4 and X720 has lot power, then Wii U will be same as PS3 and Xbox 360 against Wii. " - not sure what facts you have, but everything about the PS4 and 720 is a huge RUMOR.. you work for Sony or Msft?
Some graphics whore haters need to realize that graphics are important in a game. They are not unlike controls, sound, story, replay value, and every other ingredient. Graphics are one part of the whole, and this fun little 'gameplay over grqphics' debate has gotten very dry, partly because it never made sense to begin with. Too many people act as if the two cannot work together at the same time, as if there aren't games out there RIGHT NOW that handle both very well. The thing is, as with all technology, when something new releases, it's stat quo to outdo currently available tech. Its the nature of the game, and as such, consumers expect something more for their money. You can say we're spoiled if you want, but if technology stood still or released tomorrow, yet only competed with what released last year, what would be the point? How 'powerful' a console is, is about more than the graphics. Its an umbrella term, a hierarchy. With more power, you have more bandwidth for AI, textures, HD sound, light sourcing, and yes, graphics. I think the fact that so many are concerned, confused, or just curious about the capabilities of the Wii U is a good thing. It means they are interested and hungry for satisfaction. My concern is whatever amount of time it has to itself on the market won't be enough when the undoubtedly very powerful competitors step up. Its up to Nintendo to follow through, if they truly wish to court the "hardcore" market.
Oh for Christ sakes.....do you need a fact for fact reason why WiiU is garbage? Ok here ya go! -2.5hr to charge pad for 3.5hr play time. -friend codes (modified) still used... -trophy/cheevos system is a mess, you only can see them on games that have them (yes, their f&@king optional)...miiverse huddlers around a game can see cheevos of they also own the game. -if game is above 30fps - using 2 pads halfs this on said pads. Tv may or may not be affected....still an unknown. -3rd part support IS atrocious. Ubisoft & Warner don't account for the majority. Many devs and journalists and gamers who were actually at E3 were not impressed. You might be, nothing wrong with that. -Iwata has been quoted : (I'll shorten it...google it if you don't believe me. And I wouldn't if I was you...because this stuff is the stuff of PR nightmares!) ---- won't compete with Sony or MS due to their head start on online infrastructure. Lol who' fault is that? ---- won't moneyhat devs (court 3rd party support) because they don't believe in that. Ok, cool...let's look at Wii, hmmm.. ---- 30 min wait for post in miiverse...everything not directed at friends directly is moderated. Lol There's more but I think it's obvious. Ninny don't get 2012 let alone 2013+.
lol you are a total hater.. -They said 3.5 to 5.0 hours depending on brightness of the pad... -Modified Friend Codes could mean screen names or unique code per system he wasnt clear on what modified codes mean... This is no different than what ps3 or xbox does anyways... whats the difference between an account name or a code as long as its easy to put in and track it should be one and done... the only reason wii had crappy friend code system is because you had a different code per game and you had a code for the system... as long as its it is simplified like he said it should be no different than other systems.. -We dont know the full extent of how achievements are going to work , they demonstrated how they would work with mario and the miiverse.. They said they arent going to force people to develop around it but its optional... in all honesty no one is going to not buy the Wii U because you cant get trophies lol .. and the people that do will be in a very small majority.. -What will 2 pads add to the exp anyways? The only games I can see benefiting from this are sports games like Madden so you can hide your plays... and even so the technology is so new the 30 fps is a case by case basis.. If you are playing BF3 with 2 tablets ya it might suffer in frame quality .. it is no different than HALO or COD reducing graphics quality when playing split screen or online.. -3rd party support for any system at the start of its life cycle is going to be low because they want to see if they can build a base of hardware sales... Lets not start with the Vita lol .. It has everything everyone has ever wanted in a handheld or a system yet it still doesnt sell compared to even the PSP or DS/3DS.. And for the most part the 3rd parties ANNOUNCED have a decent lineup coming out... AC3, Mass Effect, Darksiders, Alien Marines, Batman Arkam... Crytek has a game brewing and RETRO is making a game... Plat Games making p100 ... -Nintendo didnt need to compete last cycle and they dont need to compete this cycle.. he is simply stating their online base is MASSIVE .. it isnt like they can just release an online network and magically be more popular and more useful than PSN or LIVE... I mean.. PSN and Live have the luxury of having a base of 65million units sold lol ... All people want to do is play games, watch movies, and download content over a network.. As far as we know it is going to do that.. they confirmed that titles will be released for digital down and Netflix / Amazon / Hulu will be available .. and thats just at the start of the console life cycle... -He said some third parties jumped on immediately and other will need to be convinced with how well the system is selling... Again you dont see any news breaking articles about 3rd parties going crazy on the VITA.. right now its support is lacking because it isnt selling well.. Every system is like that , otherwise youd see a billion games when the console is released.. Studios cant financially back something they dont know will be a success. -Also he said it was a multi layer system that could take up to 30 minutes and they had to see what was acceptable to the community overtime.. He also said that if it passed the automated filters like swear filters and what not it would be posted right away .. if it didnt then it would go to the next layer of review which could take longer.. Why is that a negative thing? I dont want 13yr old kids I always hear on Live writing spoilers or cuss words and drawing stupid things... Nintendo did MORE with a lot LESS with the Wii and people still doubt them... It always sounds dumb and ridiculousness before you actually use it. -
1. controller has a charger. Unless you plan on going jogging with the controller for more than 5 hours, then having a charger right next to you that works while you play is fine. 2. trophy system. how do you know more about the trophy system then what Nintendo has announced 3. 30fps with 2 gamepads. 60 with 1 gamepad. 3 screens with 30 fps is fine. 4.3rd party. actually alot of devs have stated that they like the Wii u. 3 devs not liking it does not account for the majority. 5. it was not won't compete. iwata said that miiverse will not be as supported as online infrastructure from 7 ears ago. All that really says is that it will not be as supported/known at first, which most people would already know. 6. Not paying other people to make your games is hardly an insult. Pretty much says that xbox/sony would probably flop 1 year after launch without it. Nintendo can support themselves with 1st party, and the bigger reason was that Nintendo cannot compete financially with microsoft, and sony. I want you to go to an auction house with a friend, and bid on the same thing, but you have far less money than your friend. How do you win the auction? 7. 30 mins messaging in miiverse has been taken away, as of weeks ago. "Nintendo does not get 2012, yet alone 2013+" The word economy comes to mind along with another word that describes what state the economy is in, what was that word.....oh ya, FAILING! If Sony, and Microsoft release consoles that people cannot afford, then they are the ones who don't get it. The company that designs an affordable console in this day, and age, gets it completely.
Why do people care for Surround sound... It all sounds just fine in mono. Lol see what I did there? With power comes evolution. without one gen bringin on more power than the previous it have led to changes. Compare current gen games to PS1 and Ps2 games... they are very different yes? That is why people care. Power means change, means effort and quality. Its why Pong, pacman and Asteroids aint that hot in gaming circuits anymore. CHANGES, POWER, INNOVATION. Try find me games that feels and plays like say BF: Bad company, Motorstorm, Killzone 2 or Vanquish on previous hardware... Ill believe that is downright impossibru!!! More power, is more power to the player, richer and more immersive games, more cinematic and more believable. there is always going to be good and bad games but Power is interesting because it make things look better and stuff changes. Weighty and rich feel and ai in KZ2 is not possible with previous systems and that were things that made Kz2 immedieatly stand out in my eyes awesome lighting and physics were in place too.