Submitted by dirigiblebill 1109d ago | news

Halo in 1080p, 60fps will "suck up all the power you have in next gen" - John Carmack

OXM UK: Xbox 720 will be Xbox 360 "with the knobs turned up", says DOOM creator. (John Carmack, Next-Gen)

chukamachine  +   1109d ago
Yes john.

It will look like what we have now on PC.

GTA6 will look like the GTA4 mods.

Crysis 4 will look like crysis 1 with highquality mods.

But that's the problem, i've seen it already.

If M$ want to rush a machine out which plays PC graphics now that's fine for them.

But i do not want SONY to go the same route.

Hardware makers should focus more on what take graphics power.
OneAboveAll  +   1109d ago
You are forgetting one fundamental thing though. PC's are running a full on operating system with multiple background tasks. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines.

I'm still very amazed to see how Halo 4 can look as good as it does on such old hardware. If the 360 were running all the background tasks as a PC it wouldn't be possible but it's not, thus developers can use more of the systems resources on games.
Hufandpuf  +   1109d ago
"When people ask how tapped out is the current console generation, PCs are 10 times as powerful but you really are still not technically limited. Any creative vision that a designer could come up with, we can do a pretty good job representing on current generation and certainly on PC." - John Carmack

Straight from the article.

This Headline is a HUGE example of misinformation.
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dirigiblebill  +   1109d ago
Also from the article:
"If you take a current game like Halo which is a 30 hertz game at 720p," Carmack went on. "If you run that at 1080p, 60 frames with high dynamic frame buffers, all of a sudden you've sucked up all the power you have in the next-generation. It will be what we already have, but a lot better."
StayStatic  +   1109d ago
"PC's are running a full on operating system with multiple background tasks"
Not that much , most modern systems compensate greatly.

Even so it's common for people to shut most background tasks down before launching a game if the system can't handle it , but that seems to be a thing of the past.
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decrypt  +   1109d ago

"You are forgetting one fundamental thing though. PC's are running a full on operating system with multiple background tasks. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines. "

Well yes PCs do have an OS running, however guess what?

The OS is primarily running in the background. The game is mostly running on the GPU. There is no OS overhead on the GPU.

This is why even PCs released with GPUs like 8800GTX back when consoles were new, still outperform current consoles.

PCs have tons have RAM, the OS is simply stored there, hence it has no influence on games performance.

Take an example of a game running on same spec PC. 1 PC has windows XP, the other has windows 7. As long as the PC has about 4 gigs of RAM. The game will perform simularly on both machines. Even though Windows 7 is much more resource heavy. Reason is because the OS has no impact on game performance, its the GPU that runs those assets, the CPU plays a part too, however with the number of cores on PCs these days it makes no difference.
greenpowerz  +   1109d ago
Oh boy...

7- 8 years is rushed? Sounds like damage control from a company and fans. Responding to the leaked 2 year old docs?
reznik_zerosum  +   1109d ago
oh no console fascist here on N4G disagree !
MariaHelFutura  +   1109d ago
Is it just me or is John Carmack super annoying?
DavidMacDougall  +   1109d ago
Does he still work?
wicko  +   1109d ago
It's just you.
Shaman  +   1109d ago
Why? Because its not all sunshine and rainbows with him? I got a bad news for alot of folks thinking MS and Sony will deliver on tech like last time. They aren't going to. There has been enough leaks from guys working on it and who seen target specs, and it ain't so pretty.


AMD x86 4 core processor

underclocked Pitcairn gpu (~1.8 TFLOPS)

2GB of RAM (GDDR5, and Sony is not willing to go for more so they say)


AMD x86 6-8 core processor

Cape Verde GPU (1.1-1.5 TFLOPS)

6-8GB of RAM (its unknown if its 2GB GDDR5 plus 4/6 GB of cheap DDR3 in split, or is it all DDR3)

Basically, far cry from last big jump in tech. Considering its been almost 8 years its a shame.
MariaHelFutura  +   1109d ago
No. The only shame is you think you know for sure what MS/Sony are planning because of the internet.
Twilightx7  +   1109d ago
But if you read it on the Internet,it's GOTTA be true, right?
chukamachine  +   1108d ago
I'm not sure what people are expecting.


Download and run if you can.
TekoIie  +   1109d ago
It really is just you...
joab777  +   1108d ago
Yes and I really don't understand what he is saying. Maybe he is too smart for me. He is assuming that no one except him will work on anything but halo and CoD next Gen. And what's wrong with better games. That Xbox memo mentioned possible AR. Sony has already built TVs that show multiple full screen shots, blue ray, and AR glasses. VR has been worked on for years with serious health drawbacks.

Why does he assume that bigger and better consoles will not be used to evolve gaming. The new Xbox may link directly to win 8, becoming an entertainment super machine. Mobile gaming is being used in innovative ways too. It just seems as though if Microsoft and Sony don't release beta versions of the holodeck next Gen, it will simply be boring.
Vynzent  +   1101d ago
Is it just me, or what that a fucktard question?
frostedjuly  +   1109d ago
sandman224  +   1109d ago
I'd rather have the knobs turned all the way up then deal what our current consoles can do. So bring on the next gen.
r21  +   1109d ago
i kinda disagree with John, im pretty sure next gen will be more powerful than what he's implying. games this gen look quite stunning yet smooth and next gen there will be a huge leap in not only graphics but obviously hardware that is surely to be powerful enough to handle 1080 at 60fps.
Vynzent  +   1101d ago
Carmack said there will be 1080 games at 60fps, perhaps you dind't get that.

What he's saying is that the only reall change will be that, the graphical crispness. Everything else will stay the same, including CoD's shit artificial intelligence.
Eu  +   1109d ago
Carmack and his comments....to me its just another dev asking for more horsepower to trow in a lazy a** code on it and say its all they could do....Thats PC gaming code for you. The more horsepower under the hood, the less the devs have to work to make it beautifull to the eyes...and then you spend the first 2-3 months out of the gates patching the hell out of it...console games are doing it too so no complains there...ok then John, lets see that PS3 coding wonder of yours...after 6 years and still taking a beating by it. And years ago having such a hard machine to code for would be seen as a dream to developers...I want to blame the economy of the industry, but I do see a tad bit of lazyness around....
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Ducky  +   1109d ago
You didn't read the article did you?
givemeshelter  +   1109d ago
99.9% of trolls on this site do not read the articles and just read the headlines...
ApolloAdams  +   1109d ago
That moment when you post a reply to a headline and not the article. Then you ramble on about coding.

" And years ago having such a hard machine to code for would be seen as a dream to developers"

No not even remotely true. Why would developers want difficult times working with machines for? This is a business and having to work harder and not smarter isn't good business.

"..I want to blame the economy of the industry, but I do see a tad bit of lazyness around...."

Who does all the blame go to the developers and not the publishers who want these games streamlined and out in two years span.
Eu  +   1108d ago
And my OPINION matters to you guys how? As much as YOURS matters to me.

The fact that I've actually read the article, and that I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that there are developers out there that ENJOY a CHALLENGE but cannot put out the TIME (time is money...) in it because of the global economy (and other pressures as the publishers like you said) matters more to me than whatever you are assuming I did or didnt.
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NobodyImportant  +   1109d ago
Bring me the next gen with knobs on!
Farsendor1  +   1109d ago
well any new type of gameplay that consoles bring will eventually cone to pc anyways or has already been done on pc. gosh i love pc gaming
GamingTruth  +   1108d ago
you wont next gen
DivineAssault  +   1108d ago
well sony said they aint releasing it til theres a huge leap so sorry xboxers.. lol idk maybe all will be just like how PC was for the past 5 years.. that will suck tho
cervantes99  +   1108d ago
Well, if next gen looks like Star Wars 1313 and Watch Dogs - BRING IT ON NOW!!!
GamingTruth  +   1108d ago
God knows thats not a jump thats more like a modification of now at best, and still not over last of us and beyond two souls and gow ascension and gears of war judgement
Zha1tan  +   1108d ago
They will look as good as the textures in my last hit game RAGE.

Vynzent  +   1101d ago
Idiocy at its finest.

I wonder if you know what a megatexture is...
Zha1tan  +   1101d ago
I do and well rage looked like shit, dont defend it.

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