Sony is not prepared to demonstrate its PlayStation 4 console until the system can demonstrate 'a significant leap' in technology, the group chief executive of SCE has explained.
Andrew House appeared to challenge the emerging view that the next batch of game consoles will not provide a considerable leap in technology.
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The Wii U shows a significant leap over the Wii and that is how it should be judged in the same context.
My only concern (and I'm watching closely for this for the PS3 and 360) is that the machine is very reliable.
you mean Sony in 2000?
love the hypocrisy, btw. never gets old. ;)
as for the article...uh? PC already shows that there is a significant leap. plus, releasing new hardware would push developers to develop for it.
this is just excuse making...and it's super transparent. which means anyone that doesn't have a huge bias can see right through it.
That is why I hate PC gamers.
We get it dude, you can upgrade your PC to a graphical beast. PC gamers or I should say "Most" PC gamers seem to think graphics make the game. SMH....
Stop kidding yourself. If anything its mostly about the games to PC gamers than anything else.
Check out the most played games on Steam, i can assure you they arent the graphical beasts.
Rather the mos tplayed games on Steam are:
Teamfortress 2
Dota 2
CS
http://store.steampowered.c...
PC gamers are still playing World of warcraft, Millions play it, Wow is no graphical beast.
Hell many PC gamers are playing Warcraft 3, which is 10 year old game now. I am personally playing Dota 1, which is a mod for Warcraft 3. Why are we playing these old games? Well thats because of the gameplay.
Coming back to the topic. I think Sony is only fooling their fanbase. Its clear the hardware that is far more powerful than current consoles is already out there. Sony and MS have taken too many losses this gen, which is why both of them want to be profiting of old hardware.
Its natural for console makers to fool their base, they do it because they can. Unfortunately most of the base on this site specially blindly follows whatever Sony has to say, its no secret.
Hence reasons being thrown are only excuses so they can profit of aging hardware.
@pixelsword
How did Sony push the envelope?
They released a console 1 year after MS, yet performance wise the differences are minimal. 1 year is a eternity in technological terms. Simple example is of a CPU or GPU released today definetely outperforms its 1 year old counterpart by atleast 1.5-2x performance.
When the Xbox 360 released it was atleast on par with high end PCs of that time, this is a fact.
When the PS3 released, it was barely equal to midrange PCs of that time.
Check this out:
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...
"Back when Sony announced the specifications of the PlayStation 3, everyone asked if it meant the end of PC gaming. After all Cell looked very strong and NVIDIA's RSX GPU had tremendous power. We asked NVIDIA how long it would take until we saw a GPU faster than the RSX. Their answer: by the time the PS3 ships. So congratulations to NVIDIA for making the PS3 obsolete before it ever shipped, as G80 is truly a beast. "
Sony hardly has been pushing any envelopes.
like the difference we saw between PS2 and PS3.
I'm glad Sony isn't rushing the PS4.
Lol.
Multiplats on the PC make current consoles look a gen old, what are you on about?
Hypo much, i bet if Sony today announced PS4 most of you would be cheerleading and would be giving reasons how you are tired of old hardware.
Actually, PS3 was delayed from release for about a year due to licencing issues with the BlueRay...so yeah, it was year old tech when it came out.
But I'm more than happy if they hold off as long as possible before releasing the next gen.
1. because I don't have to buy a new console.
2. They are still bring out plenty of great games for this Gen.
While PC games in a lot of cases may have better graphics, their not so great that I'm sitting there thinking I MUST UPGRADE!!!
Besides, most PC owners PCs are a few years old.
Not everyone can keep constantly upgrading their graphics card for the latest games.
As for fooling the fan base...I think most just see it for what it is. A company making business decisions to wait a while before making the large investment in rolling out the next model.
The leap included a significant leap in perceived polygon count along with a more interactive and effect friendly texturing system in the shader format.
To leap like that again you would need a tessalation engine that is 7x the performance we get on pcs. Deticated chips for shader based lighting.
Yet the ulimate leap would be loaded up hi res model like in zbrush and letting the hardware do all the scaling and mip map like operations.
Sonys only key is to develop or foster the development of chips that do this things. Sony really is dead in the water without new tech but these things take years to make unless you are nvidia and Amdati.
I believe we will get more of the last of us like games from them. I would love them to come up with a real solution yet I will call out hype ware at every turn.
In 3 more years the gtx 680 and 690 will be old gpus maybe we will see a ps4 then?
Such a vague statement you have there. You mention Kinect being shoved down peoples throat but where is the backing for Move? The Move is more accurate than both the Wii and Kinect but that doesn't matter if nobody supports it.
really? might want to do your research:
Play TV/Torne - a DVR for the PS3: http://www.sony.com.au/prod...
Wonderbook/Eye of Judgement/EyePet etc - Augmented reality: http://www.gameinformer.com...
on topic,this is all just PR talk. they wont talk about the PS4 now because it would kill PS3 sales. rest assured, the final specs for the PS4 are mere months from being nailed down, if they arent already.
if they give Microsoft another 12 month lead, Sony will be out of the console race quicker than Sega after they released the dreamcast. With Windows 8, Surface, SmartGlass, Windows Phone 8, and the new Xbox all going to be intertwined like no devices before them, Sony is going to need to launch alongside them or theyll be left in the dust.
Kinect is indeed shoved down peoples throats. The 0.5 billion marketting campaigne made sure of that. What does Move have to do with this? What does music and TVs have to do with this?
You are not by any chance hating on Sony again just because you have a chance to do so are you...?
yeah sure "ihateyoumyself", like this gen, with best games and hardware, you never loose (dust is for gimmicks and inferior consoles)
"It's not all about technology, if it were the PC would be taking the lions den of all gaming related sales and software.
The Wii U shows a significant leap over the Wii and that is how it should be judged in the same context."
no, pc only takes the crown again, after 5,6 years best consoles are on the market, and they don't have best exclusives...
off course technology is important, sony always has best library, so if you want to compete with them, you have to beat them on hardware (and wiiu have to compete with X720, and ps4, not wii)
@insomnium
Did you buy a Kinect? If not then tell me again how they are shoving it down your throat. I didn't buy one but i'm always interested in how it's progressing. If you pay little attention to the Kinect it wouldn't be so present. I purposely follow it because i'm interested. Instead you feel the need to follow the news about it, to post in articles about it to downplay it. That's the big difference. Which makes sense coming from a guy who says he put me on his ignore list only to keep responding to me. You're such a sad case.
I'm also not hating Sony, nothing could be further from the truth. I enjoy the products i own by them, what i don't like are idiots like you who are totally blinded by them and if people really want to see hate all they need to do is read what you say about Microsoft. I don't say anything that negative because unlike you i am not blinded by loyalty nor a fanboy.
Is see the gap as being ps2 to Xbox like...
I dont think that worked out well with the PS3 vs the Wii and I think Ninty would love for Sony to repeat history.
"The right time to talk about new advances in hardware is when you can demonstrate a significant leap on the current experience, and something that is going to be attractive."
I believe what Sony is trying to say is show a significant leap at an affordable price.
Why do you think it is not working out for them?
BItby -Yes Sony is profiting but they also lost a large amount of potential customers from the Wii U and 360.
The only hardware component that may have been a bad investment would be Cell, and i guess we will have to wait and see what processor the PS4 uses to determine that.
..is that your "prophecy" your sticking with?..
cuz its pretty lame.. and yes,i'm bashing your post because it was blindly ignorant and you needed to know that is all. ..good day sir :)-
i rather them be the last one out but atleast be good for next 8-10 years than needing another system after 4-5 years like xbox360 but stretching it out like MS has done
let's see what wii-u delivers than i would like sony and MS to be 50% more powerful than wii-u so we will actually be talking about something significant
but this is the internet age, invisible fanboys wars and when fanboys demand next gen console they are heard loud and clear
Well said +bubbs
I suffered 2 broken ps2 and 2 broken 360 so why do people always highlight 360's issues?
Well significant leap would probably mean 240fps @ 2160p right since they said ps3 would be 120fps/1080. /jk
Anyway I hope next gen would be at least as big a jump as PS3 was on Ps2 and 360 was on Xbox.
Saying it WILL DO 120fps/1080p is in a totally different ballpark than the actual claim of SUPPORTING 120fps/1080p. But I guess none of this matters. If people WANT to hate they will hate no matter what.
OH and btw the leap between PS2--> PS3 is bigger that xbox--> X360. Just FYI.
The 360 did a 2 console design the Elite and the standard the Elite did a better resolution ect Sony are trying to buy time so tech gets better and they can be this wow factor,but i don't see it i mean gamers would have been playing WiiU games at 1080p/60fps with better AA ect,a significant leap from here would be way too expensive until 2014/2015 and then guess what its too late and your Sony gamers will not wait that long when you can play starcraft and Zelda on WiiU SORRY SONY. EPIC FAIL ??
where did you get that info from?
There is no difference between the two machines in terms of resolution. the only difference is the HD storage.
I have had both an arcade and an elite and there is no difference when you play games on them.
What are you talking about?
Currently ALL Nintendo first party games that have been demoed are running at 720p. And ALL of them except Mario Bros Wii U run at 30fps.
Wii Fit U has no AA!
Pikmin 3 ran at 720p 30fps at E3. Nintendo say they'll "get it up to" 60fps by the time it launches, but that is a long way from doubling the resolution up to 1080p.
The Wii U is going to be another 720p console.
Nothing wrong with that.
It will improve upon what we have with the PS3 and 360, just don't expect 1080p on your big budget games. You might get it with a couple of simple indy titles, sidescrollers etc, but COD, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect aren't going to run 1080p.
So when the PS4, 720 launch gamers won't have been used to playing in 1080p60. They'll still have been playing 720p.
Future of what exactly?
If MS follow this idea or not is another story, if they don't and Sony do decide to hold off it could hurt them.
With games like The Last of Us and Beyond: two souls coming out it shows that the PS3 still does have some life yet and these games make me content to wait a little longer for some amazing new tech.
Now on The Wii U on the other hand, well like MS (I think) said they are kind of in a Generation of there own so I don't mind them bringing out the new console, I will be purchasing one myself (queue hate).
Towards the end of the cycle it gets harder and harder to squeeze the last little bit of power out of the processor.
So while the Cell is harder to program for, there is more there so that when the 1st party companies get to work with and push it that little bit further.
Only downside of that was being harder, the 3rd parties couldn't quite keep the same standard as the easier processors.
Naive and gullible and wishfull thinking fanboys that think Sony who is known for upping the ante tech wise wont make the ps4 noticeably more powerful than current gen systems (yes tht includes wii u it is current gen). Ps4 may not be the leap os2 to ps3 was but it will be a beast and it wont cost as much because blu ray prices have dropped and it will be blu ray most likely.
The Wii was a last gen system with motion controls and the Wii-U is a current gen system with a tablet controller....the only differences are the controllers
Next gen consoles will be capable of much better graphics but the games will be the same (FPS in 95% of the time). I'm excited for the Wii U because Nintendo doesn't look at the horsepower but mainly how games are made and i believe WiiU will prove (just as wii did to PS2 GC type of power) that there is still much to do with the actual consoles and will take current gen games a step further.
For those who disagreed with my first post if only they could say why.
Next gen we will see FIFAs, CODs, BF, HALOs... just in better graphics, the gameplay will not change.
With more complex processors and a 4-8x increase in memory, next gen consoles will have no problem getting that done.
So many great games on ps3 i can name that have taken things to new levels........ and wasnt about just graphics but gameplay and innovation just to name a few.....
Little Big Planet
Uncharted 2
Heavy Rain
Beyond (soon to be)
Mod Nation Racers (innovated Karting games so much with its play and create and is vastly superior to Mario Kart in many ways)]
Starhawk (Build and battle makes mp insane)
All these games were able to be created because of the power of ps3 and even so many devs have still said that they wish they still had more power because their vision wasnt fully realized.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
That trailer bring back memories!!! PS4 will deliver with actual gameplay, and this time its not Cgi trailers like their E306 press conference.
You're speaking for yourself, don't make out that you're speaking for everyone. Most sensible people would realise that statement was completely false.
Your silly dude
Less dynamic games have extra resources for static graphical trickery.
There is a reason why Sony's QTE type games are hyped to look good but create little interest among gamers, the fun and value and replay value is lacking with this approach. I returned heavy rain the day I picked it up when it first came out. Played the Heavy Rain dev's first game on xbox and didn't like it. First time I was ever exposed to Playstation style game(fixed camera/ angle from older ps games)
Sony is in their darkest times right now. Laying off studios, vita sinking, no attractive exclusives after last of us, and Naughty Dog will most likely go multiplat after this gen, they'd be stupid not to
On-topic: Sony and MS need to have this idea of 'not showing it till it can do a significant leap'. Nintendo have their own base. Sort of like what Apple has. People will continue to buy the next iPhone, regardless of how small the improvement is. Nintendo know their core market will be pleased. Since now devs can launch the main multiplat content on the console, in line with 360 and PS3 (possibly beyond).
That what you telling me ???
@TheVeryfirstcomment "PlayStation Is The Future and the future is PlayStation"
Why do people say that if its not even true? Its "gaming is the future, and the future is gaming." Not a console.
Sony is staring down a barrel if ms goes for a gtx 680 gpu in the next Xbox. It won't get too much better than that. I wish em luck.
It really is weird how Sony fans hype their tech up but don't own a Sony tv or even that Sony two player 3d thing. A weird bunch, yet it's fun too see people into consoles.
WiiU and PS3 for all my gaming this and next year
Maybe toss in some PC here and there
But Sony and Nitnendo have the best exclusives and between WiiU and PS3 I'll get all the multi plats
I don't want to see crappy demos like UE4 claiming it's 'nextgen' when it's barely catching up to Crysis from 5 years ago.
Bring on the real nextgen.
Developers are going out of business because theres to many clones. When next gen starts every game will be vying for a gta/cod level and that will take time. So you wont see as many clones at the start giving fresh ideas a chance to come forth