Leaked Xbox 720 documents removed at the request of Microsoft's lawyers
The authenticity of the leaked Xbox 720 documents still hasn't been confirmed, but here's a check for the "true" column: Microsoft's law firm, Covington & Burling LLP, asked Scribd.com to delete the file from its site.
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We all knew next xbox isnt gonna be poweful Xbox is all about casual now. They dont need expensive powerful console.
Its gonna be all kinect kinect and kinect with casual, casual and casual stuff. May be few hardcore exclusives at launch. then its gonna be dry exclusive in a year or two.
Yeah they've been planning this for 2 years, consoles take years of research and development to come out. I'm not sure it makes sense that the console has a blu-ray drive if it doesn't need it due to this cloud gaming idea, where you never have to upgrade your hardware ever again - you just stream using technology from this OnLive company.
Cloud gaming will become a reality when fiber optics internet becomes the norm - it has taken us 13 years to get where we are today since broadband was introduced, and we still don't have full coverage. It will take another 10 years before fiber optics is in every house for fiver optics to become the norm.
The sad thing is that if the generation had been a repeat of last generation, and nintendo hadn't garnered as much attention in the casual space with the wii. What would have been microsofts stance? And would they have been more heavily vested in the core side of gaming!
In my opinion the wii has sent gaming in a totally different direction than gaming should have took.
Glad to see you edited your comment making it less extreme(desperate) When you stop and think about it. 8 times more powerful is a very strong improvement .Enough to even make watch dogs remain impressive. Wait for playstation news before mentioning it.
They still have not cleaned this place up after all these years.
@ HISIRU: From what I saw at E3, I doubt the final specs of the wii-u will be more powerful than a Vita. The graphics seen at E3 were on old wii quality in Hd and assassins creed and batman on it looked underwhelming. The wii U is a far cry from that Zelda HD demo pf last year. Astoundingly, Nintendo decided it woild be better to be even more obsolete.
Its an interesting little slide. Lots of questions marks over hardware. Seems fairly realistic. If it is just faked then its a decent fake and pretty believable. Written by someone who knows a fair bit and didn't get carried away with preposterous speculation.
For example base system power draw aimed for 120 watts with a claimed target of 8x performance on 28nm- that is achievable and somewhere in the ballpark of what you would expect.
@greenpowerz + 1h ago Don't know what youre talking about. I already had a x360 and have nothing against Microsoft. I just think they souldn't give so much focus to kineckt.
I said I was going to buy a PS4 because it has a lot of great exclusives like GOW, UC, Heavy Rain etc. I also love all the Nintendo franchise.
No one cares about Playstation in 360 posts(except for the people trolling) I'm sorry the xbox brand didn't work out you. With all your games why waste time in here? I for one happen to be a fan waiting on info about the next gen xbox.
+one hour ago? So....
Heard you the first time hense the reply. Not as powerful as who said? Bet you voted doubtful in the first story not believeling the specs. I simply said you are downplaying the news with reverse psychology and bringing up your ps loyalty and ps franchises as damage comfort control. You have nothing against MS you just go out of your way to find an excuse to show your disdain in unrealated 360 posts.
Youre acting so defensive and I wonder why? I just said it's not as powerful as people said before and that I will probably stick with the other consoles.
And who said the xbox brand didn't work out for me? You're making hasty assumptions now. I loved Crackdown, Lost Odyssey, Gears of War and some other games, but I got a RROD in my face so I bought a PS3 because of the number of exclusive games. Maybe some people won't give a sh** about the PS3 exclusives and will prefer the x360 exclusives. My brother is using the TV right now, so I can't waste my time playing anything.
PS loyalty? Lol... it's proof that youre acting so defensive and making a lot of assumptions. I am more of a PC/Nintendo player.
I think you should calm down and go after someone else.
Can I just ask, how in the hell is 8x as powerful as an Xbox 360 NOT very powerful? 8 times as powerful is an incredible upgrade, and more than enough imo.
Only thing I didn't like about the document is the suggestion that you might need glasses for the AR. Glasses are always annoying.
8 times more powerful than a 360 is not in general very powerful, because the 360 is made up of 7 years old hardware. 8 years old if you account for a 2013 release. It's not a leap past PC specs of today, it's more a catching-up step. Consider this. A new console in 2013 sold for $299 is gonna compete with PC hardware that people spend much more than 299 on, which, if anything, is even more up to date, as hardware is not released in far-in-between cycles. Even though 299 is gonna be a loss for MS at first, it can't possibly hope to compete with high end PCs. Hence we won't be seeing amazing graphics that hasn't ever been done before. Preparing not to be amazed.
@ Korix
Catching up to PC hardware is all it needs to do. It could be 50 times more powerful and it be a complete waste when all third party developers do is "move" PC games over to it. This industry is a business and it all comes down to money. It's up to us to show how important hardcore consoles are and not wavy hands casual consoles.
Nintendo is going to release a console that on par or slightly above what the PS3 and 360 currently produce with a new gimmicky to entice gamers (man was I on point regarding the Wii U back then).
MS will produce an upgrade to the 360 that will be a step up, but not the leap the hardcore are actually looking for. It will have an improved Kinect integrated, and their focus will be on developing a multimedia box more so than a gaming console (If these rumors are true then again I called it).
Sony was the only company I was unsure of. They could go either way. An all out powerful mega console made for the hardcore or a similar direction as MS.
How is an eight times not that powerful? You have to take into consideration a Triple Core dual thread IBM architecture cpu clocked in at 3.2 ghz now give it 8 times the performance. Custom 500 mhz Unified Shaders Radeon Video Card with 10 MB eDRAM then give that 8 times the performance. Take the 512 mb RAM and give that 8 times the performance. Plus a stripped down version of Windows Server 2008 r2. It will be noticable.
On the competitors side sony is talking about using amd for their cpu and gpu. That being said, they are not going for the performance crown with AMD. Now don't get me wrong, love AMD have quite a few quad, hex and triple core machines myself but they don't take the performance away from Intel. Now they are cheaper so hopefully the ps4 will be cheap. sony is looking to use an a8 which is a quad core amd clocked in at 2.1 or 2.4 ghz each core. They may have a turbo mode up to 3.33 ghz.
Bottom line is that sony is learning from their past mistakes into why they are third place. Make it more dev friendly, cheaper and you have more customers.
What I've heard from the MS camp is that they will be using a dual video card setup. That will be interesting as they had heating issues with the first one, rrod.
Yeah it was on the site, I read it but one thing stood out to me. It was talking about the "future plans" (and of building plans). Plus part of the title was "1st draft". This is basically a big guideline, or plans to make plans. From some of the wording. But other parts of the wording was specific. Not consistent! But A BIG thing is, it had a time line ranging from 2011 thru 2015. Now this is what I caught, if it is talking about the future, and 2011 is in the future then this is a very outdated plan.
Scarey thing is they where already talking ATI! And already talking 4 player tracking. And already talking "dedicated processing" built into Kinect V2, plus support for Kinect V1. And already saying Kinect v2 would be HD RGB! And already talking about dedicated hardware for 360 games (backwards compatibility).
The article on the other hand already knew that the next wii was called Wiiu, and launchs in late 2012. It also list's Sony as launching in 2013! So did they just come back, and update that part? Or is this just a head fake they are giving to Sony?
Why would you need it to be backwards compatible with Kinect v1 if v2 is to be included? My thought is, that would make sense if only one of the two skus included the kinect v2! The $299 sku. Also the article says Wiiu $249, and PS4 $399. This all sounds good on the pricing to me (compared to this gen's launch prices). They are also in a chart saying the "system cost" would add up to $225. I chalk it up as manufacturing cost before adding in shipping, and all capitol investments.
A common them is 9-24 One MAJOR section says the 9-24 agenda! Plus the article has in it's name 720-9-24, is that Sep. 24 of some year? 9/24/2013 maybe? Also it talks like it is also a DVR or TIVO box! In fact the box itself looks like a slim Blu-ray player box.
Scary for Sony is they are talking OEM's! Any pc builder from back in the expensive pc days, will tell you this is how the price of PC's fell like a rock! Now a pc can be had for less than $500, other manufacturers have the license to make a version of your box! THIS is what Microsoft did with PC right off the bat. It is the reason they beat Apple PC all those years!
OEM, imagine Dell MAKING and selling a xbox720, no skip that, a HP, no skip that a Lenovo, no skip that SAMSUNG! Why these four? Because they are listed in the OEM section! Everyone else will be fighting to get in on the action! Just like PC. Instead of everyone buying a os2 warp IBM PC, or a Apple. They went with Microsoft IBM compatible pc boxes made by OEM's eventually they dropped the IBM compatible line.
"The game is all around you in the real world." actual quote with a insinuating 3d drawing (stick like) of a man coming out of the tv. This had better not be what I think it could be! (the tech has existed for years and is being improved). Because if it is, then even people that hate Microsoft will mess their pants an sell out to Microsoft in 720 ms(milliseconds ), unless Sony copies and fast!
128bit bus with upcoming DDR4 would be plenty of bandwidth for any CPU. You would have to assume that the design is an incredibly similar concept to the existing Xbox 360, with the EDRAM having fairly good bandwidth to the GPU and fantastic internal bandwidth if the dies happen to be split between logic and memory again.
Essentially this design would be a near identical concept that developers have worked with inside 360 for years, but with everything turned up. More CPU cores, more memory, more GPU performance.
It would be pretty unusual for a company to go for a much more powerful machine, but still stick to the same style of hardware design concept they introduced way back in 2005.
Maybe back when these were planned, they thought if it aint broke....
I agree do people think ms just have one idea d go with it? They will have several different ideas going at once.
I also love some people's comments on this site and shows how long they have been gaming for by saying if this specs true then they will get a ps4 as sony always bring out more powerful hardware. Looks like they are forgetting the psx and ps2 were the lest powerful of there gen.
If im honest im not too fussed when next gen comes as the 360 and ps3 still has some amazing new games coming out for it and the 3ds and psv are also getting some amazing new games then on top of all that the wiiu will also have some must own games so as a gamer im happy for this to carry on another 12 to 24 months before the next xbox and Playstation.
So Microsoft lawyers got involved... hmmm where there is smoke there is fire. There is clearly some truth to this. Not a fan of the glasses thing, if true, for any 3D game play.
what you mean by 3d game play? Do you mean like Killzone3 3d, and halo combat evolved 3d? If yes then this is not that kind! It is a fake holographic kind. If no then I'm not sure you want to judge something that few people have had the honor to test. FEW! You may LOVE IT! Also there is rumor from last Christmas that Sony was looking into it!
I got friend who works in Microsoft and he said this leaked Xbox 720 documents are real. Its Kinect + Onlive console = Xbox720 Microsoft dosent make anymore like Xbox 360 console, they make it all stream online games.
They going to use Xbox Live to stream games and play. Nintendo uses Wii U Sony PS4 is going to be classic, like all other Sony consoles.
I think they are trying to monopolize every aspect of home entertainment that they can put their hands on. As a business, it sounds like a good idea, but it could be a very dangerous move. I think they are not just aiming at competing with Sony, but also at competing with Apple on the home entertainment field. Think of all the peripherals they could sell and the different monthly paid services they could offer. Now the question is, will it work? Or are they trying to swallow a lot more than they can chew?
I'm very much on the Sony bandwagon but if this is true, the $300 part more specifically, I might get it just to have it and whatever bells whistles and exclusives it comes with. I really can't imagine any next gen console being under $400 so this sounds great.
I even think microsoft already was close to presenting the xbox successor to the public. but then they saw what unreal engine 4/cryengine 3 could do with proper hardware and so they revised the hardware/gpu so that the next xbox can definitely run it in a decent way.
@hellraiser it depends on the ram they want to use look at the difference in price bettween the edram they used last time and the main memory if ram price were not an issue it would have all been ed ram
you people don't get it, if it has cloud gaming, IT doesn't need to be 100000x better then 360 that would mean it will also become 1000000x more expensive then the 360.
Onlive which usually has lower resolution than most console games and had issues with lagging even in single players games. If that is cloud gaming at it's finest or it's current shape i'll pass.
According to the standards you built up in your head. I can't tell if you think next gen would harbor Skynet tech or if you are trolling out of fear and disbelief. Got a kick out of hundreds of Sony fans voting the original story as *doubtful* based on denial and wishful thinking.
Are last gen consoles 8 times weaker than current gen consoles? Think a little man. I'm thinking they'll even beef up the already impressive specs we see in these data sheets, MS realizing they need housepower for all the multi media function layered with eachother. The multi media vision of MS will make the 360 extremely powerful. Not just in revised power but multi tasked function as well.
It might be changed slightly but nonetheless not a massive leap from current consoles, especially if bundled with kinect. More polygons, and more textures like I thought.
*)Okay those who disagree with me, there was a huge leap in graphics and resolution with the PS3 to PS2, it wasn't that huge from XBOX to 360 but was pretty decent, as the original XBOX already had a nice hardware and a resolution of 720p! PS2 on the other hand had a max resolution of 480p. *)The Wii U will at least be 20X stronger than its predecessor the Wii which is a massive leap for Nintendo IMHO. *)If the new XBOX is only going to be 5-6X stronger, then there isn't any reason to get all excited. I'll get one because $299 is a great deal and my Xbox 360 is my main hub for media/movies etc... I will also get a Wii U! Probably not at launch, but eventually there will be some kick ass, must-own titles that will make me. I don't mind spending $249-$299 for a home console. I don't want to buy all 3 again so I will wait for Sony to unveil PS4's price to see which one I will axe out between Sony ans MS...
it's a game that all companies (including Sony) play people. don't be so naive: specs of your up and coming consoles are leaked suggesting a weaker than expected machine. this puts the other company at a loss to whether to believe or not. if they believe it they also believe that their machine doesn't have to be as powerful either and so they can make it cheaper. lots of companies do this on pricing too, suggesting a very high price and then dropping that price at launch. people then forget it's still a high price because they're pleased it's lower than expected. this strategy of suggesting lower specs works on both these levels
You realize the xbox's 360 gpu equivalent retailed for $600 at the time of the 360 launch. Although it doesn't cost them retail obviously, but they still sell consoles at a loss at launch.
B.Microsoft doesn't usually remove these types of things, they usually comment about how they don't comment on speculation and rumor and that the Kinect has increased the life span of the current Xbox 360.
C.Developers have all come right out and said that the next generation wont be as big a leap as this current one was, so 8x more powerful seems about right. Its ignorant to compare a home console to the latest PC setups that cost $2000 or more.
The console makers are in a bad situation, they need to appeal to gamers, both core and casual, they need to appeal to the tech people who like apps and things like that as well. They also have to keep the expense down while doing all of those things, nobody wants $500-$600 console anymore.
Still, I suspect that these specs were true at the time, but since 2010 a lot of those parts have gone down in price, I wouldn't be surprised to see that Microsoft has now implemented the 16 core version that was also leaked a while back.
I totally understand that a dedicated game console doesn't need the power of a PC, because PC's have so much more going on at the same time.
I was just using what I said as a suggestion, if Microsoft wants a more powerful Kinect, possibly a 1:1 motion controlled Kinect, more cores dedicated strictly to Kinect would be needed.
Obviously we don't know what the final specs are, but I do believe that these were the initial specs back in 2010.
PS4 it is then, I'm not going to support something that is intended to kill off physical media and usher in an era of cloud-based-you-don't-own- it gaming.
Laptops/Ultrabooks are killing off physical media.
No one has an issue with not owning Movies and music and books anymore because it is convenient. Times are changing and even though I don't see an end to gaming media yet it will come swiftly and sharply.
I own a 360 mate, and besides which it is not logical to reject the argument somebody makes simply because of other things they have said in the past. That is simply ad hominem.
First of all the article mentions a bluray player, so take the sony glasses off.
Second, how can you say PS4 it is when you do not know what sony is going to do with their next system? Hell for all you know it could possibly not have a disc drive...lol
Why are people expecting such huge graphical leaps out of consoles?
I thought the goal of them were to be accessible, compact, easy to install and AFFORDABLE.
If this is true (which I highly doubt) then I still see no problem. Because if Sony went the power route then they would be at the same roadblock where their console is more than the competition.
Also, I don't think we should assume that because leaks were pulled they are true it just seems that they don't want false information spreading that seems official.
Only time till tell but I wouldn't bet on this being the truth.
delusional people are expecting big graphical leaps out of dated hardware when we all know that the PC is only place you'll get that since hardware updates every couple of months. Both Sony & Microsoft a while back went on record and said there wasn't going to be huge leaps like with the transition from PS2 to PS3 & Xbox to Xbox 360. hell even epic games have been saying that with this "Next Gen" hardware there can't be huge advancements like PS2 to PS3 & Xbox to Xbox 360. its just typical people living in this delusional bubbles, even though the facts are staring them in the face. funny thing though i recall people saying that Next gen starts when Microsoft & Sony say so while bashing nintendo. sorry people but they don't LOL. PC has been at least more than five gens ahead already.
@Stuna1 you can justify that both PS3 & 360 are not consoles and more like entertainment HUBS. they do different stuff besides play games. umm hello 360 allows you to watch T.V. so don't give me that crap as if PC is irrelevant because its not. PC plays games just like consoles and better on at that.
2010? lots of changes will be made since then. Could end up with less, or more. 2010 is to old to be taken seriously, especially where technology is concerned.
if those rumors are true then Sony will be in even more trouble next gen. A xbox 720 with BR and an ever better Kinect, plus an all new improved xbox live with powerful hardware specs. MS will most likely still rule NA with this setup.
why am I seeing people pulling random numbers out of their rears and saying "consoles are gonna be x1000 more powerful"? Can't anyone use actual knowledge and post something informative like video card specifications?
Anyways... based on the picture, the next next will have usb 3.0 ports, hdmi, and a display port. This would interesting because maybe it could support multiple monitor displays seeing as the only thing that have display ports are monitors.
Furthermore, it looks like Microsoft next-gen system will have an ARM-based CPU (the same CPU found in smartphones) and the entire system will be using a maximum of 120w. The ARM CPU are underpowered compared to the tradional desktop CPU and are meant to conserve power and heat. The WiiU could out perform it if Microsoft doesn't pair the CPU with a better GPU. Microsoft probably made the conscious decision of switching to a smartphone CPU in order to save power. The system uses a max of 120w and the average mid-end PC will use around 500w.
well this means 5 1/2 to 7 1/2 times more powerful than wii u.. & only $300? hmmm idk what to think of it.. Sounds sweet tho.. I guess we have a year to speculate & wonder.. in anycase, i wouldnt be interested in it unless sonys console is alot more money.. Im not buying all 3 consoles again so ill wait n see what the companies do to compete against eachother.. The one with the best games & features ratio will win my money. BTW if it were done by mocrosoft, why would the sheet say "720"? that name was made up by ppl speculating.. They never said it was going to be called that just like no1 knew 360 was going to be the name of it now
Hopefully the 720 is more than just 8 times more powerful than 360. Microsoft should not sacrifice hardware for a lower price.
They should launch the standard system for $299 and the one with the new kinect for $399...while taking a $100+ loss per console like with 360 in the beginning...and have really good hardware that will not overheat!
Does anyone know how many times more "powerful" the Xbox 360 was to the original Xbox??? If I remember correctly 360 is at least 10x more "powerful" and launched just 4 years after the original Xbox.
The 720 is launching 8 years after 360...should be a more significant jump in "powerfulness" this time!
"Sony is taking a loss of about $307 on each console it sells."
and if isnt enough
"Sony's fiscal 2012 results: $820 million loss"
so..pls before open the mouth..let do microsoft their jobs...at least they know how to do it.... and not like sony that lose the "war" against samsung apple..microsoft.....
ah and i know u will all disagree ..but im posting just FACTS...not bs..so answer with facts
every company could pay millions of dollars to have...10 first party studio..and then...lose billions of dollars....yeah is cool....but not very smart ....if they continue just like this..i dont know if in the future..we will have real competitor..in console hw..against microsoft..(that is making BIG money) ...probably at the end of the day...the two big..will remain microsoft and sony..like it was on the pc side...for years
Ok, so if they are making profit on software, what are the numbers/facts showing this? Are they really making the money back per system per game? You are just speculating. Show numbers to support your statement. I'd like to see what the total loss/earnings are for the sony entertainment division.
the financial situation of sony is a "s**t"...so dont expect a console better than microsoft they just cant effort again what they did with they ps3..losing again money...this is just a fact..for this reason they probably will kick out the cell production...and take normal x86 it cost..looooots less
You do know that its not the gaming division. IIRC other than zipper closing down none of their 1st parties had lay offs. The gaming division is like the only division thats making money for them now.
And you're bill gates over here? Give me a break, but my 8 year old neice can tell you that losing money and having a negative result year after year isn't how one desires to have their business run. Sure, they have billions that they can take a hit over time to try and rebound, but Sony went from dominating last gen to third. If that was their business plan, the kudos sony for a job well done. And don't give me this fanboy shit either, I support Sony as well with my ps3 (psn Jeffgunz)
including the 360 CPU makes a lot of sense for more than just backwards compatibility.
having it there means that for 720 games, that entire CPU can be devoted to Kinect and the OS, leaving the entire 8 core CPU for the games. its a brilliant idea actually - it means that developers do NOT have to worry about Kinect or the OS/in-game guide taking up resources. so they can make a game exactly how they want, and then add Kinect features in on top of that at literally no cost. that was one of the disappointments of kinect the first time around, how its separate processor was removed. seems like theyve learned.
"having it there means that for 720 games, that entire CPU can be devoted to Kinect and the OS, leaving the entire 8 core CPU for the games" You just said they can dedicate the entire CPU to Kinect 1.5 and the OS(2 different things) and then another 8 core CPU for games?
You think the 699$ launch price of the PS3 was insane just wait till this is announced at 800-1000.
$300 nice i don't thinks the ps4 will match the price according to my source from inside son japan, they tell me ps4 will be around $400 i don't mind paying that ether.
@TheKayle What are you talking about? That link you posted was in 2006. Stop spreading lies lil guy. You forgot to mention the natural disaster that rocked Japan. Whats funny is M$ is planning on using blu ray tech.
Sony makes a profit off every PS3 sold now. They have profiting of the PS3 since 2010.
How does this spell trouble for Sony? Blu ray belongs to Sony. So whatever M$ does with it they will have to pay.
Also Sony was first on the scene to make their console the entertainment console. Not only that but one Sony specialties is entertainment. I don't think they will stand by and let M$ run wild.
As far price goes the PS3 has been selling faster than the 360 at a higher price point since it became available.
This is only bad for Nintendo, but good for Sony if true. M$ 720 specs laid out will only give Sony more an advantage, because Sony sees what is coming.
lol you think sony is gonna make a console with i7 cpu and the latest and greatest in GPU? with the coming of cloud gaming its just a waste of money if you ask me.
MS staying modest with the hardware seems like a good plan to me. As long as it can use all unreal engine 4 features and run smoothly.
This document is a road map. That's means things will change. If this was an official spec sheet, then yeah everything you see would be in the system. This is just a goal of what they will put in it. If they can find a way to put more RAM or CPU cores in that's cost effective they will.
a document that basically shows microsofts game plan back in 2010 and people are complaining about proposed hardware and the predicted graphical improvements from 2 years ago.
Am I the only one excited about augmentative headsets or any of that jazz in there?
Don't get me wrong, I like movies and music what have you just like the next man or woman. But this just reeks of a quick money scheme, and sad to say, the ones who will be disappointed will be the gamers if this is true!
Most set top boxes are not cheap to own and if this a sign that microsoft has plans on partnering with isp providers as well as buying up game streaming companies like onlive, then I for one want no part of it!
Just the thought of having a microbox under my tv, with a monthly subscription fee tying me into a contract for a minimum of two years, as well as potentially sending you over your monthly internet usage cap what then? This all leaves a bad taste in my mouth! Too many thing could go wrong in a scenario like this, I for one hope this isn't true!!!!!
Yes I understand exactly what their trying to do monopolise the market! Which in turn takes away your freedom of choice. And you all think that's a good thing??? No wonder microsoft is in the position they are in, because no one questions their motives! I would be saying the same thing if it were sony or nintendo
If its true it seems like they are aiming for total market domination instead of hoping to sell a few exclusive IP's. They apparently have a plan and focus which today can't be said of Sony or Nintendo. Just an observation.
You guys realize what they are attempting to do with this system right? i can't be the only one that noticed.
Why not? Would you rather have it as a stand alone item and pay extra for it.
We do not know what Kinect V2 specs will be like or if MS decides to add a navigational controller of some sort to it. Plus having a camera on your 360 can be very helpful with SKYPE so if you dont want to buy and play Kinect games you can always u can always use it to chat.
I wanted to double check but on the slides were labeled 'OEMS: Differentiate Your Offerings to sell more. Build integrated product portfolios and drive new service revenue streams.
They had the following companies in a box, Lenovo, Dell, HP, and Samsung.
Then it stated "attract more customers to your device by offering compelling experiences available only on your device.
Apparently they are going to license out the tech so these companies can build and sell their own Xbox 720's with MS setting the standards and software.
This is big folks. While the specs probably changed this is the biggest news i take away from the leak.
MS would love to see the xbox evolve into a software OS for gaming and put out a spec of min standards for the likes of Dell or Samsung to use in their boxed versions. Then they could also realize their subscription model much more easily.... cheap entry with contract for 2yrs will be the new way...
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Looks like I am buying a PS4(probably more exclusives and probably more power, because that's how Sony works) and WiiU next generation.
If it's indeed true, then the WiiU won't be too far from the next x720 graphically speaking.
Xbox is all about casual now. They dont need expensive powerful console.
Its gonna be all kinect kinect and kinect with casual, casual and casual stuff. May be few hardcore exclusives at launch. then its gonna be dry exclusive in a year or two.
Cloud gaming will become a reality when fiber optics internet becomes the norm - it has taken us 13 years to get where we are today since broadband was introduced, and we still don't have full coverage. It will take another 10 years before fiber optics is in every house for fiver optics to become the norm.
In my opinion the wii has sent gaming in a totally different direction than gaming should have took.
Glad to see you edited your comment making it less extreme(desperate) When you stop and think about it. 8 times more powerful is a very strong improvement .Enough to even make watch dogs remain impressive. Wait for playstation news before mentioning it.
They still have not cleaned this place up after all these years.
For example base system power draw aimed for 120 watts with a claimed target of 8x performance on 28nm- that is achievable and somewhere in the ballpark of what you would expect.
Basic ISP speeds aren't fast enough to make OnLive reliable, and they won't be for the next 6 or so years due to, well, greedy ISPs.
Don't know what youre talking about. I already had a x360 and have nothing against Microsoft. I just think they souldn't give so much focus to kineckt.
I said I was going to buy a PS4 because it has a lot of great exclusives like GOW, UC, Heavy Rain etc. I also love all the Nintendo franchise.
No one cares about Playstation in 360 posts(except for the people trolling) I'm sorry the xbox brand didn't work out you. With all your games why waste time in here? I for one happen to be a fan waiting on info about the next gen xbox.
+one hour ago? So....
Heard you the first time hense the reply. Not as powerful as who said? Bet you voted doubtful in the first story not believeling the specs. I simply said you are downplaying the news with reverse psychology and bringing up your ps loyalty and ps franchises as damage comfort control. You have nothing against MS you just go out of your way to find an excuse to show your disdain in unrealated 360 posts.
Youre acting so defensive and I wonder why? I just said it's not as powerful as people said before and that I will probably stick with the other consoles.
And who said the xbox brand didn't work out for me? You're making hasty assumptions now. I loved Crackdown, Lost Odyssey, Gears of War and some other games, but I got a RROD in my face so I bought a PS3 because of the number of exclusive games. Maybe some people won't give a sh** about the PS3 exclusives and will prefer the x360 exclusives. My brother is using the TV right now, so I can't waste my time playing anything.
PS loyalty? Lol... it's proof that youre acting so defensive and making a lot of assumptions. I am more of a PC/Nintendo player.
I think you should calm down and go after someone else.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Waste of time.
Only thing I didn't like about the document is the suggestion that you might need glasses for the AR. Glasses are always annoying.
8 times more powerful than a 360 is not in general very powerful, because the 360 is made up of 7 years old hardware. 8 years old if you account for a 2013 release. It's not a leap past PC specs of today, it's more a catching-up step.
Consider this. A new console in 2013 sold for $299 is gonna compete with PC hardware that people spend much more than 299 on, which, if anything, is even more up to date, as hardware is not released in far-in-between cycles.
Even though 299 is gonna be a loss for MS at first, it can't possibly hope to compete with high end PCs. Hence we won't be seeing amazing graphics that hasn't ever been done before.
Preparing not to be amazed.
Catching up to PC hardware is all it needs to do. It could be 50 times more powerful and it be a complete waste when all third party developers do is "move" PC games over to it. This industry is a business and it all comes down to money. It's up to us to show how important hardcore consoles are and not wavy hands casual consoles.
http://n4g.com/blogs/detail...
Nintendo is going to release a console that on par or slightly above what the PS3 and 360 currently produce with a new gimmicky to entice gamers (man was I on point regarding the Wii U back then).
http://n4g.com/blogs/detail...
MS will produce an upgrade to the 360 that will be a step up, but not the leap the hardcore are actually looking for. It will have an improved Kinect integrated, and their focus will be on developing a multimedia box more so than a gaming console (If these rumors are true then again I called it).
http://n4g.com/blogs/detail...
Sony was the only company I was unsure of. They could go either way. An all out powerful mega console made for the hardcore or a similar direction as MS.
On the competitors side sony is talking about using amd for their cpu and gpu. That being said, they are not going for the performance crown with AMD. Now don't get me wrong, love AMD have quite a few quad, hex and triple core machines myself but they don't take the performance away from Intel. Now they are cheaper so hopefully the ps4 will be cheap. sony is looking to use an a8 which is a quad core amd clocked in at 2.1 or 2.4 ghz each core. They may have a turbo mode up to 3.33 ghz.
Bottom line is that sony is learning from their past mistakes into why they are third place. Make it more dev friendly, cheaper and you have more customers.
What I've heard from the MS camp is that they will be using a dual video card setup. That will be interesting as they had heating issues with the first one, rrod.
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Some disagreers have no sense of humor
Scarey thing is they where already talking ATI! And already talking 4 player tracking. And already talking "dedicated processing" built into Kinect V2, plus support for Kinect V1. And already saying Kinect v2 would be HD RGB! And already talking about dedicated hardware for 360 games (backwards compatibility).
The article on the other hand already knew that the next wii was called Wiiu, and launchs in late 2012. It also list's Sony as launching in 2013! So did they just come back, and update that part? Or is this just a head fake they are giving to Sony?
Why would you need it to be backwards compatible with Kinect v1 if v2 is to be included? My thought is, that would make sense if only one of the two skus included the kinect v2! The $299 sku. Also the article says Wiiu $249, and PS4 $399. This all sounds good on the pricing to me (compared to this gen's launch prices). They are also in a chart saying the "system cost" would add up to $225. I chalk it up as manufacturing cost before adding in shipping, and all capitol investments.
A common them is 9-24 One MAJOR section says the 9-24 agenda! Plus the article has in it's name 720-9-24, is that Sep. 24 of some year? 9/24/2013 maybe? Also it talks like it is also a DVR or TIVO box! In fact the box itself looks like a slim Blu-ray player box.
Scary for Sony is they are talking OEM's! Any pc builder from back in the expensive pc days, will tell you this is how the price of PC's fell like a rock! Now a pc can be had for less than $500, other manufacturers have the license to make a version of your box! THIS is what Microsoft did with PC right off the bat. It is the reason they beat Apple PC all those years!
OEM, imagine Dell MAKING and selling a xbox720, no skip that, a HP, no skip that a Lenovo, no skip that SAMSUNG! Why these four? Because they are listed in the OEM section! Everyone else will be fighting to get in on the action! Just like PC. Instead of everyone buying a os2 warp IBM PC, or a Apple. They went with Microsoft IBM compatible pc boxes made by OEM's eventually they dropped the IBM compatible line.
"The game is all around you in the real world." actual quote with a insinuating 3d drawing (stick like) of a man coming out of the tv. This had better not be what I think it could be! (the tech has existed for years and is being improved). Because if it is, then even people that hate Microsoft will mess their pants an sell out to Microsoft in 720 ms(milliseconds ), unless Sony copies and fast!
Essentially this design would be a near identical concept that developers have worked with inside 360 for years, but with everything turned up. More CPU cores, more memory, more GPU performance.
It would be pretty unusual for a company to go for a much more powerful machine, but still stick to the same style of hardware design concept they introduced way back in 2005.
Maybe back when these were planned, they thought if it aint broke....
@donman1: The glasses are not for 3D. Virtual Reality!
I also love some people's comments on this site and shows how long they have been gaming for by saying if this specs true then they will get a ps4 as sony always bring out more powerful hardware. Looks like they are forgetting the psx and ps2 were the lest powerful of there gen.
If im honest im not too fussed when next gen comes as the 360 and ps3 still has some amazing new games coming out for it and the 3ds and psv are also getting some amazing new games then on top of all that the wiiu will also have some must own games so as a gamer im happy for this to carry on another 12 to 24 months before the next xbox and Playstation.
Its Kinect + Onlive console = Xbox720
Microsoft dosent make anymore like Xbox 360 console, they make it all stream online games.
They going to use Xbox Live to stream games and play.
Nintendo uses Wii U
Sony PS4 is going to be classic, like all other Sony consoles.
So its very possible Sony to win next gen.
NO YOU DO NOT
"So its very possible Sony to win next gen"
NO IT IS NOT
"Microsoft dosent make anymore like Xbox 360 console, they make it all stream online games"
BE QUIET
That's what consoles are for.
It just won't happen, too many people out there don't even have a viable connection or any connection at all.
You got better luck wishing for world peace imo
Go look at onlive to see what cloud gaming is.
Are last gen consoles 8 times weaker than current gen consoles? Think a little man. I'm thinking they'll even beef up the already impressive specs we see in these data sheets, MS realizing they need housepower for all the multi media function layered with eachother. The multi media vision of MS will make the 360 extremely powerful. Not just in revised power but multi tasked function as well.
*)The Wii U will at least be 20X stronger than its predecessor the Wii which is a massive leap for Nintendo IMHO.
*)If the new XBOX is only going to be 5-6X stronger, then there isn't any reason to get all excited. I'll get one because $299 is a great deal and my Xbox 360 is my main hub for media/movies etc... I will also get a Wii U! Probably not at launch, but eventually there will be some kick ass, must-own titles that will make me. I don't mind spending $249-$299 for a home console. I don't want to buy all 3 again so I will wait for Sony to unveil PS4's price to see which one I will axe out between Sony ans MS...
Thats what you call fane'goling the consumer lol.
It was recently stated that current pc's are capable of being 20x stronger than an xbox 360. MS should shoot for that level of performance.
B.Microsoft doesn't usually remove these types of things, they usually comment about how they don't comment on speculation and rumor and that the Kinect has increased the life span of the current Xbox 360.
C.Developers have all come right out and said that the next generation wont be as big a leap as this current one was, so 8x more powerful seems about right. Its ignorant to compare a home console to the latest PC setups that cost $2000 or more.
The console makers are in a bad situation, they need to appeal to gamers, both core and casual, they need to appeal to the tech people who like apps and things like that as well. They also have to keep the expense down while doing all of those things, nobody wants $500-$600 console anymore.
Still, I suspect that these specs were true at the time, but since 2010 a lot of those parts have gone down in price, I wouldn't be surprised to see that Microsoft has now implemented the 16 core version that was also leaked a while back.
I was just using what I said as a suggestion, if Microsoft wants a more powerful Kinect, possibly a 1:1 motion controlled Kinect, more cores dedicated strictly to Kinect would be needed.
Obviously we don't know what the final specs are, but I do believe that these were the initial specs back in 2010.
Laptops/Ultrabooks are killing off physical media.
No one has an issue with not owning Movies and music and books anymore because it is convenient. Times are changing and even though I don't see an end to gaming media yet it will come swiftly and sharply.
I do. My parents do, my friends do, my colleagues at work do, my lecturers at university do.
Hehe..
Second, how can you say PS4 it is when you do not know what sony is going to do with their next system? Hell for all you know it could possibly not have a disc drive...lol
I thought the goal of them were to be accessible, compact, easy to install and AFFORDABLE.
If this is true (which I highly doubt) then I still see no problem. Because if Sony went the power route then they would be at the same roadblock where their console is more than the competition.
Also, I don't think we should assume that because leaks were pulled they are true it just seems that they don't want false information spreading that seems official.
Only time till tell but I wouldn't bet on this being the truth.
Totally different classification.
Furthermore, it looks like Microsoft next-gen system will have an ARM-based CPU (the same CPU found in smartphones) and the entire system will be using a maximum of 120w. The ARM CPU are underpowered compared to the tradional desktop CPU and are meant to conserve power and heat. The WiiU could out perform it if Microsoft doesn't pair the CPU with a better GPU. Microsoft probably made the conscious decision of switching to a smartphone CPU in order to save power. The system uses a max of 120w and the average mid-end PC will use around 500w.
They should launch the standard system for $299 and the one with the new kinect for $399...while taking a $100+ loss per console like with 360 in the beginning...and have really good hardware that will not overheat!
The 720 is launching 8 years after 360...should be a more significant jump in "powerfulness" this time!
http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
"Sony is taking a loss of about $307 on each console it sells."
and if isnt enough
"Sony's fiscal 2012 results: $820 million loss"
so..pls before open the mouth..let do microsoft their jobs...at least they know how to do it....
and not like sony that lose the "war" against samsung apple..microsoft.....
ah and i know u will all disagree ..but im posting just FACTS...not bs..so answer with facts
every company could pay millions of dollars to have...10 first party studio..and then...lose billions of dollars....yeah is cool....but not very smart ....if they continue just like this..i dont know if in the future..we will have real competitor..in console hw..against microsoft..(that is making BIG money) ...probably at the end of the day...the two big..will remain microsoft and sony..like it was on the pc side...for years
I would rather buy a system that offers more, so I don't care if they are making a loss, I'm buying a console not a company.
i would say microsoft and apple..sorry
and if this isnt enough
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/artic...
"Sony Planning to Lay Off 10,000 Workers"
from here
http://www.japantimes.co.jp...
the financial situation of sony is a "s**t"...so dont expect a console better than microsoft they just cant effort again what they did with they ps3..losing again money...this is just a fact..for this reason they probably will kick out the cell production...and take normal x86 it cost..looooots less
http://www.gamespot.com/new...
having it there means that for 720 games, that entire CPU can be devoted to Kinect and the OS, leaving the entire 8 core CPU for the games. its a brilliant idea actually - it means that developers do NOT have to worry about Kinect or the OS/in-game guide taking up resources. so they can make a game exactly how they want, and then add Kinect features in on top of that at literally no cost. that was one of the disappointments of kinect the first time around, how its separate processor was removed. seems like theyve learned.
You think the 699$ launch price of the PS3 was insane just wait till this is announced at 800-1000.
What are you talking about? That link you posted was in 2006. Stop spreading lies lil guy. You forgot to mention the natural disaster that rocked Japan. Whats funny is M$ is planning on using blu ray tech.
Sony makes a profit off every PS3 sold now. They have profiting of the PS3 since 2010.
http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
http://www.1up.com/news/son...
How does this spell trouble for Sony? Blu ray belongs to Sony. So whatever M$ does with it they will have to pay.
Also Sony was first on the scene to make their console the entertainment console. Not only that but one Sony specialties is entertainment. I don't think they will stand by and let M$ run wild.
As far price goes the PS3 has been selling faster than the 360 at a higher price point since it became available.
This is only bad for Nintendo, but good for Sony if true. M$ 720 specs laid out will only give Sony more an advantage, because Sony sees what is coming.
MS staying modest with the hardware seems like a good plan to me. As long as it can use all unreal engine 4 features and run smoothly.
Am I the only one excited about augmentative headsets or any of that jazz in there?
But this just reeks of a quick money scheme, and sad to say, the ones who will be disappointed will be the gamers if this is true!
Most set top boxes are not cheap to own and if this a sign that microsoft has plans on partnering with isp providers as well as buying up game streaming companies like onlive, then I for one want no part of it!
Just the thought of having a microbox under my tv, with a monthly subscription fee tying me into a contract for a minimum of two years, as well as potentially sending you over your monthly internet usage cap what then? This all leaves a bad taste in my mouth! Too many thing could go wrong in a scenario like this, I for one hope this isn't true!!!!!
Yes I understand exactly what their trying to do monopolise the market! Which in turn takes away your freedom of choice.
And you all think that's a good thing??? No wonder microsoft is in the position they are in, because no one questions their motives! I would be saying the same thing if it were sony or nintendo
Plus notice how the 720 will have Blu Rey....that means that MS wont go 100% cloud gaming.
You guys realize what they are attempting to do with this system right? i can't be the only one that noticed.
We do not know what Kinect V2 specs will be like or if MS decides to add a navigational controller of some sort to it. Plus having a camera on your 360 can be very helpful with SKYPE so if you dont want to buy and play Kinect games you can always u can always use it to chat.
They had the following companies in a box, Lenovo, Dell, HP, and Samsung.
Then it stated "attract more customers to your device by offering compelling experiences available only on your device.
Apparently they are going to license out the tech so these companies can build and sell their own Xbox 720's with MS setting the standards and software.
This is big folks. While the specs probably changed this is the biggest news i take away from the leak.
$299 Next Xbox would put tremendous pressure on Nintendo and Sony.