PlayStation Plus Prompts Me to Rethink My Xbox Live Subscription

I have been an Xbox Live subscriber for the better part of the last decade. I've always shrugged off the suggestion that the service should be made available for free; people are more than welcome to take that position, but I've always been personally fine with paying. I've found myself rethinking that position over the last week, and a lot of that is Sony's doing.

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black9112103d ago

It took you 7 Years really?

Thatguy-3102102d ago

I'll take features over discounts anyday. But the free games do it justice. Still wish new apps/fe.atures were annoum

gaffyh2102d ago

I'll take discounts and free games over features that I will almost never use any day.

Ron_Danger2102d ago

Almost all of these features are free on other platforms and in most cases better. Paying extra to playNetflix or HBOgo is redicilous. And all of the ESPN stuff is the same you can get for free by typing into your computer, or better yet, just turning on your tv.

And by discounts, are you referring to the 45 FREE games ps+ subscribers get this year?? They aren't all watered down games either. PS+ subscribers (in the US) already got Infamous 2, LBP2, Saints Row 2, Just Cause 2, NFS Shift 2 all for free since April along with a ton of quality online store games like Virtua Fighter: Final Showdown, Hard Corps, Trine 2, and Awesomenauts (there's also a ton others but I'm at work on my iPhone).

It's one thing to say "discounts" for ps+... It's another to try and justify paying up to $60 (if you don't discount hunt) for Live and then still pay regular price for downloadable games/ add-ons and use features/ apps that are free on other platforms

gokuss1220022102d ago

I'll take free full retail games... over being forced to pay extra just to play "the other half" on all my games... especially games where the main hook is the online multiplayer such as Call of Duty. Speaking of CoD, there are MANY people that ONLY play CoD, and they ONLY play it online; in fact, CoD was their sole reason for purchasing their respective console... Factually speaking, the (retail) cost spent on Live, could have purchased an Elite subscription. So in essence, CoD on ps3 is far better than the 360 version; for you get all the map packs (and everything else that comes with Elite) are Free**

**when compared to Live's $60 (retail) price tag

hay2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

This isn't only about discounts. It's also about discovery. I got tons of sweet games from PSN+ on which I wouldn't shell out my money or didn't even know they exist.
This annual 60usd has paid off easily at least twice in content I got from it EXCLUDING this month's offer.

Trebius512102d ago

I didnt even know about the free games til just now .... guess im signing up.

darthv722102d ago

meaning that these "free" games are in fact free or only free for the life of the service?

Live doesnt give away much in the free department but when they do it really is free even if you no longer choose to be a member.

I'd give plus a go for the year if it meant I could opt out next year and still play the giveaway games.

princejb1342102d ago


is for the duration of your membership
but is still good
it can take up to a week to beat a game that you spend $60 on
why not play 30+ games in a year for $50

nukeitall2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

How about both PSN and XBL?

I like to play online with the Xbox Live community more than I do PSN. That in itself is worth the $35 yearly, let alone the features.

PSN+ offers nice game rentals, but I have too many games as it is. However, PSN+ offers really nice value if you play those games. They aren't *free* though, they are a rental for as long as you have your subscription.

Trebius512102d ago

I still find it somewhat fascinating that people call Facebook, Netflix, ESPN, Twitter, etc. etc. "Features" ....

You can use any of those apps for free on any other platform or device that surfs the internet ...

Army_of_Darkness2102d ago

PSN+ lets you play online weather or not your a plus subscriber, has chat if you got a mic so what other online special feature do you really need to play games aside from that??
I get free games on PSN+ on the weekly that I usually finish within a few weeks so why would I want to keep it on my harddrive when there is gonna be dozens and dozens more upcoming free games to Download?!

I honestly didn't like the idea of not being able to keep the free games at first, but I figured that what would be the point in doing so after clearing it?! just gonna take up HD space.

nukeitall2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )


Do you know what is the most important thing of all in an online game is?

The *community*!!!

That alone makes it worth the $35 yearly fee I pay. To top it off, the party system/cross game chat makes it easy to organize a team of 5 people. If you play online, you know people jump in and jump out all the time. Getting a full team is hard, and Xbox Live makes that far easier.

Beacons let me know which one of my friends want to play game I do, so I don't feel as bad contacting them while they are doing something else to see if they want to play together.

People with microphones communicating also makes a huge difference. On top of that, we get the latest apps streamlined for console use with a unified interface.

Ever patched anything on PSN? Slow!

On XBL, I can patch a game while the game is running. No restart needed. The updates are small and it comes down fast.

Also, I don't have a lot of abandoned friends on my friends list on XBL. They tend to stick around and play a lot.

That are just some of the benefits. If you play online, XBL is the place to be!

People don't get that isn't a feature list in their head, it is how it is done. Android has everything iOS does, but people choose iOS due to the experience.

Ryo-Hazuki2102d ago

I can't wait till PS4 releases because it will have party chat for free. I really don't care about a glorified conference call but I want to see the excuses from ppl who are defending LIVE. You would have to be retarded or a fanboy if you don't switch over from LIVE to PSN. It already doesn't make sense to pay for LIVE now but it really would not make sense once PS4 releases.

darthv722102d ago

It seems neither side will concede in this debate. What many dont realize is that once you become a paid member (of either service) you can really no longer consider yourself part of the "free" crowd.

Silver member of live (obviously) dont get to compete in competitive multiplayer which is probably the biggest aspect of live to begin with. Then again, it isnt for everyone. So what compells people to sign up for live in the first place. Simply put...they do it because their friends do it (mostly).

With that membership comes not only the perks of playing online but all the other parts of live as well. Features that many will say arent really features because they exist on the pc for free. True but live has them tailor made specifically to the platform.

That means you get the best quality in form and function only on the 360. MS has made it their goal to ensure the quality of the service remains high. Even when it comes to the simple things.

Sony on the other hand made their online service an afterthought. They couldnt charge for it upfront because it wasnt worth it. That doesnt mean its crap because it has gotten better over time. The one advantage (and yes its a big one) is the free online play for those who arent paid members.

The paid members get that and much more. in fact, pretty much any new extension to the service is for paid members only. Sorry free psn, no cloud saves for you.

Now the pay to play aspect is a part of both. Live you pay to play online. PS+ you simply pay to play. By that i am referring to all the "free" games that arent really free. You still have to pay to play them or more specifically you have to pay to continue to have the privilage to play them.

Bottom line for both service is, once you have become a paid member there really is no other way to go. I cant see myself dropping live after being a founding member from the xbox days. It has gotten so much better than where it began. I havent yet taken the plunge on PS+ simply because I dont play enough on my ps3 to justify the purchase.

I do like the selection of incentives on PS+ but to continue to pay each year for the right to play titles I could rather go out and buy outright. Sony knows there is big $$$ to be made in memberships. It would not surprise me if they reworked the free side to be less and less attractive (think restrictive) just to get people to join up.

once you are a member of something it makes it that much harder to walk away.

fr0sty2102d ago

Honestly, other than cross game chat and the party system, there isn't much on Live that I'm interested in. It is a great infrastructure for online gaming, but I won't ever support it on principal alone. Any company that locks half of a game I paid full price for, or makes me pay extra for apps and services that others get for free, will not be getting my money. I'll handle the minor inconvenience of having to use old fashioned text messages to contact my friends who are playing other games than the one I'm playing. I can't say I hate on others for thinking those features are worth $60 a year. Some game a lot more socially than I do. I'm not a kid so not all of my friends even play video games, and those that do aren't into online gaming. As such, when I game online, it's normally with people I do not know or maybe just one other friend. To people like me, Live it worthless. The fact that Microsoft makes you pay for Live if you want to even play online alienates people like me. Stupid move on their part.

OneAboveAll2102d ago

I'll take better only functionality, party chat and the safety of my personal information over anything PS3 has to offer any day. :)

Dee_912102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

that makes no sense
Just because they are tailored for the xbox doesnt justify paying for it.
Thats like me paying for mobile sites for my phone because they are tailored for my phone.
Bottom line is they are making you pay for stuff thats free basically everywhere else.
PS+ is basically a huge discount not pay to play.
You would be better off sticking to the crosss game justify xbl arguement.
I was psn+ member for a year and my service was up 3 months ago.I havent re-subcribed yet and wont any time soon ( already havee those free games) so its very easy to walk away once your a subscriber.I was also a Xbl subcriber back in the day.It was quite easy to walk away from that too.
Haha i remember back in 07 08 my friend showed me all the xblpoints he got off other people accounts
your personal INFO might have been safe but your money surely wasnt.

gaden_malak2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

"People don't get that isn't a feature list in their head, it is how it is done. Android has everything iOS does, but people choose iOS due to the experience."

Well except for the fact that Andriod has overtaken ios as phone of choice.

"I'll take better only functionality, party chat and the safety of my personal information over anything PS3 has to offer any day. :)"

You mean the very safe system that even Major Nelson's account was hacked. That's the one you mean?

Blacktric2102d ago

"I'll take features"

You mean you take cross game/party chat and voice messages over tons of free games each month, including retail games that received amazing scores like inFamous 2 and Little Big Planet 2? Remind me again when was the last time Microsoft gave a free and decent XBL Arcade game over Live Marketplace? Thought so...

BattleAxe2102d ago

XBOX Live is a joke. I regret actually buying a gold membership this year.The sad thing is that I've never been a PS+ subscriber, and at least with PS+ you get tons of free stuff and major discounts. I bought my 360 for $100.00 three months ago, I played it for the first two weeks, and I've barely turned it on since. I'd at least like to sell it and get my $100.00 back. As for my Live subscription, Halo: Reach download, Gears 1 and Gears 2 downloads, its basically money flushed down the toilet. Oh well, at least I can say that I gave the 360 a fair shake.

geddesmond2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

You always got free games with the discounts except now you get full retail games and Good PSN titles. Anyone that would rather get crappy apps and stuff instead of 40 plus games a year is crazy.

In Europe we get 10 free games this month and after that 3 games get added every month. Thats amazing even for people like me who owns 100+ PS3 retail games and 50 or so PSN titles.

I mean if it wasn't for PS+ I would never have played MS Apocalypse and now I can't put it down amazing deal.


Your talking through your ass. You don't know the first thing about PSN if there the points you use. Last time I checked the community is just the same. You can see what games your friends are playing and join them very easily because all online games now a days have an in game invite system and most give you the ability to join them in on going games.

I always use and see others with mics, I've over 80 PSN friends and every night theres 40+ online so whats that tend to stick around BS. Maybe people abondoned their accounts on your list cause they added you and realised how dumb you sound.

Patches are not slow on PSN. They are slower compared to Xbox because the file size is always bigger.

Also Apps? We get Vidzone, Netflix, Youtube, movie editor, photogallery, a music streaming serice and the PS3 has a web browser that runs facebook and all those free movie streming websites. I mean Apps are BS on both machines why even use those as a point. I mean PSN is free and its also ad free. On top of your live subscription MS have Live covered in ads lol thats just an insult to paying customers.

I mean be a man and realize your getting ripped off. Why is all these things free on PC but not 360, lol even Nintendo ain't charging for their WiiU online. Yous are just suckers for paying that and where does the money go? to devs like Rockstar for exclusive DLC that ends up on PS3 a few months later anyway lol. Smh your debating points that have always been used and most have been proven to be wrong over the years.

MaxXAttaxX2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

It's called a MEMBERSHIP.

You may not be able to keep most games after your subscription expires(duh), but you do keep other free content and you DO keep every other game you got at a discount, even if you only payed 1 cent.

Got Red Dead Redemption bundled with all 3 DLC packs for $19.

Here are the details on the value of PS Plus from its first year alone:

And here is the latest on PS Plus:

$50 in exchange for $1000 worth of games and other content for a year = WIN.

Online GAMEPLAY ITSELF is exactly the same on both. Unless developers designed both version differently, then it's they're the same.

I'm sorry, but if you have to pay to play online and justify it with non-gaming related features, you have no right hating on PS Plus (an OPTIONAL service that doesn't keep you from most online features).

Shepherd 2142102d ago

The community and refinement of xbox live have been building a strong foundation ever since the older days where Halo 2 dominated everything online in the console world and new ps2 users were wondering why they couldn't play online on the PSN straight out of the PS2 box. It was a ripe and exhilarating time to be apart of halo 2 and even halo 3s community on the 360 and I know for a fact that the same social experience wouldn't have been replicated on Sonys free service. For me, of course.

Different people see value in different things. Most people aren't trying to degrade and convince others not to get PSN, but it doesn't work the other way around here unfortunately. Anyone with any bit of intelligence acknowledges the excellent value of PSN Plus, but don't scoff at those who would rather not leave their memories, friends and experiences so hastily.

ShinMaster2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )


* PS Plus membership extends to both systems with $1000s worth of content.

* Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, MLBtv, NHL, VidZone, Twitter, Foursquare, YouTube, Skype, Facebook, Flickr, Music, Blu-ray, Video and voice Chat, exact same Online Gameplay, etc etc on PS3 and Vita without being forced to pay anything extra just to access these features.

I'll that over having to pay to play online, a "nicer looking interface" and a false sense of "community" no more special than LBP's.

So spin that!

Shepherd 2142102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

So which part about my above post didn't you like? Im curious because its obvious no one liked to hear a different point of view i guess. Was it the part about xbox live and halo 2 being one of the best gaming experience of that generation? Or the part where I said you couldn't play online without a ps2 with the separate component? Or the part where you socially dead keyboard warriors hated where I said that the community was massive and strong? Don't get all ass chapped because you didn't like to hear the truth.

Paying $15 a month to play one game might sound retarded but guess what, ten million people still do it in world of warcraft for some goddamn reason. Oh wait, i remember, because of their friends and the massive community, otherwise who would seriously play that shit alone if players were replaced by NPCs.

lot of people here need a reality check.

Blogz4Fanboyz2102d ago


same wrote for hits rubbish, complete with the whole sony fanboy brigade, writing the same stuff that they have been writing for years....

anyone that thinks live is better disagreed to death and no doubt bubble raped.

i have both, and for gaming, live is MUCH better no questions. psn+ sounds like a good idea, but quite honestly doesnt interest me.

disagree away kids. no one gives a fuck about you fanboys on here anyway.

jaysquared2102d ago

I dropped li e about a year ago and bought a ps3 because I don't game much anymore and mostly used my 360 for Netflix.. Didn't want to pay just for Netflix so got a ps3.. Ended up selling the ps3 about 4 months ago and restarted my live membership... Ps3 was just a pain to use.. The interface is a pain to navigate, the once a month updates that took like 30 mins to download and another 30 mins to install was a b*tch(m$ only updates the 360 probably 3 x a year and only takes minutes), download speed for psn was slow, hate how when I downloaded demos it took 30 mins to download and another 30 min to I install(360 takes about 15 min to download and it installs it while downloading), navigating throuh trophy list and the store was slow, hated how I couldn't control the ps3 with my harmony remote unless I got an adapted, Netflix app on the 360 is miles better than on the ps3, accessing friends list or sending messages sucked..

I gave it a fair amount of time but I just dreaded turning on the ps3 to watch Netflix because it seemed like it had updates every! Each console has it's pros and cons but for me the ease of the 360 and the easier interface made me go back.. I seriously get a headache thinking about my times with the ps3..

Shepherd 2142101d ago


I think you misunderstood me. Halo 2 on xbox live was the dominate online console game of the xbox/ps2 generation. Meanwhile, Ps2 was struggling with a very poor online interface and setup because you had to have that separate component to get your ps2 online. It's for that reason that xbox live has had a vey strong start and has continued to build loyalty and social appeal over the years, it's the same reason why so many people are willing to pay 15 a month for world of warcraft - just one game. It's the social experience that makes xbox live different from pc gaming and psn, and in my opinion as far as Sony has come, they're still working on it. MS is gonna have to change something eventually to compete with Sonys PSN plus, however, just like how psn has had to change to compete with Live.

MaxXAttaxX2101d ago (Edited 2101d ago )

I see what you're trying to say....

But what you're saying about online on the PS2 only applied to the older fat PS2 models which required an adapter. The newer PS2s, the Slim ones which were sold for the majority of the PS2s life cycle, all have built-in Ethernet ports.

Final Fantasy XI was a very popular online game on the PS2.

EXACTLY! Halo 2 was ONE game. Not everyone on Xbox played it online(or at all). Whatever (online)community the original Xbox built, was mainly built around Halo 2, one of the only highlight.
But that was then and this is now.
The reason why the number of XBL members(as well as PSN members) today is higher than back in the original Xbox days, is not because of Halo 2 existed, but because there are multiple games with online play today.
Both 360 and PS3 have multiple games with online play. Aside from the Halo games, BOTH communities are practically matched. And because of this, last gen is almost irrelevant to the subject.

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Shepherd 2142102d ago


you've probably spend hundreds of dollars on useless sugary sodas or something similar over the years, so what's your point?

Where you see something cold and tasty(xbox live) I see excess calories and stupidity.(why are you paying for Live?). It's subjective.

fermcr2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

"PlayStation Plus Prompts Me to Rethink My Xbox Live Subscription"

Had both, PS+ and Xbox Live ... now i don't have any. My online gaming is mostly done on PC.

Just a side note: PS+ doesn't give you free games, it allows you to play them while you have PS+. If you don't renew PS+, the games are gone.
People should really stop saying that PS+ gives you free games, because it doesn't.

gokuss1220022102d ago

you're right, it doesn't give YOU free games. However, it does give free games to PS+ subscribers. it's called a MEMBERSHIP; if you're not (CURRENTLY)a member, then you don't get the benefits of the MEMBERSHIP. Kinda like when you're a gold MEMBER, you get to play the other half of the game you PURCHASED; whereas once you're no longer a gold MEMBER, then that half of the game is no longer accessible...

It's like this, CompanyX provides it's EMPLOYEES with Free Healthcare etc. However, if (for whatever reason) you're not a CURRENT employee...

Tony-A2102d ago

It doesn't give you free games in the same way that Netflix doesn't give you free movies.

The bottom line is, PlayStation Plus gives you access to a large variety of different games for the same price that it would cost you to just ACCESS the online portion of the games you already paid $60 for on the 360, and on top of other subscriptions you already pay for that can be accessed through Xbox Live.

Saying PS+ doesn't give you free games is just like saying Netflix doesn't give you free movies or Xbox Live doesn't give you free entertainment services (apart from those you already pay for).

Technically, no, they don't. But it's a membership. That's how it works.

fermcr2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

So you said all that to basicly agreed with me... and yet i have all these disagrees. Got to love N4G (Sony fanboy heaven).

Those PS+ games are not free. Even if you have those "free" games on your hard drive when your PS+ expires, they become unplayable. People should say those games are "rented", or "playable" while you have PS+.

NOTE: I'm talking about PS+ and not Xbox Live. I don't even care for Xbox Live. Why do people compare it to Xbox Live. They offer different things.

TekoIie2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

DLC still works so some of what you got will still be available after your subscription expires.

Once again we get another article beginning a flame war on N4G. Cant we just accept that people will pay for what they see value in for once?

Snookies122102d ago

Yeah, sure they're not really free, but who cares? Are you really going to NOT be finished with a game, say... 3 months, 6 months, or a year down the road? If not, I'd say you aren't going to ever be finished with it. Besides, if they keep offering free games of Infamous 2 and LBP2 quality every month, why in the hell would anyone NOT want to renew each time?

xursz2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

I'm a lifetime member so the games are with me as long as I live. :]

For less than $4 a month, WHO WOULDN'T SIGN UP?

MrBeatdown2102d ago

Nobody ever says free to keep, so I don't understand why so many people continue to dwell on the expiration aspect of it.

Free to play is still free.

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LAZL0-Panaflex2102d ago

Plus is a rip. I started it because of e3. Games take waaaaay to long to download and install. That Lara Croft game is d1ck.

PS plus should be a game ALLOWANCE per month that i get to choose, not whatever lame selection they come up with. Chopper HD are u kidding me?! Hatchet and Frank.....come on!! If they're not gonna give me cross game chat, updated dash, they better switch to a game/dlc allowance.

That will be the last plus I buy unless they uncheese it.
I would like a better Facebook AP too.

Euthanasia782102d ago

U need to check ur internet connection. I have verizon fios, and I never have a problem downloading anything. The problem isn't with plus. It's with ur internet connection.

EeJLP-2102d ago

"Hatchet and Frank".


The day is young, but that's the most clever /s (aka dumbest shi) I've read thus far.

adamant7152102d ago

To be fair, i have the same problem. And im on a 100mbps wired connection..

Siren302102d ago

I actually like lara croft gol. For me games download about the same speed on both xbox and playstation. The only difference is the installing which doesn't take much longer especially with smaller games like lara croft.

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SilentNegotiator2102d ago

I rethought my subscription when I GOT a Ps3 (b4 PS+). I have little need for Xbox LIVE's features because few of my friends game often enough to need party chat and I can use Netflix and such for free on other systems, players, PC, etc.

And on top of that, I recently started gaming on PC and Steam handles pretty much everything that the 360 offered gameplay-wise....including the games, lol.

PersonMan2102d ago

@gokuss122002 Yo dude! You speak the mother-effin TRUTH!

My brother bought his 360 to ONLY play CoD and the reason he NEEDED a 360 is because all his friends play on 360. So he's forced to pay for live.

I will admit one thing though. It's so much easier to join games with your friends on Live... it's kind of a pain on PSN because unless you and your friend are already in the game, you can't talk to them. I like how you can start a party, and hear your friends getting ready to join your match and if there's a problem, they can just tell you instead of having to text you. Also, if one of you gets booted from the game during a host migration or something, you don't lose all contact with the person... they can say "Dammit dude! I got kicked. I'm gonna try joining again.. hang on!"

If someone gets kicked from your game on PSN, you're just like "WTF?" and you're left wondering what happened (if they're mad at you, if they quit the game on purpose, if they're even coming back, if they got booted for friendly fire... etc).

Mustang300C20122102d ago

No one is forced to buy anything. It is especially sad that people really type stuff saying they are forced to buy something. Your friends jump off a bridge you go to mentality. Your brother CHOOSES to play on LIVE because he wants to be included in the same activities that his friends are doing. I have never cared to taste alohole so I am not FORCED to go to the bar and hang out with drunks even if I did drink. I seriously hope grown men and woman don't use the word forced for everything. Sound like kids with no control.

PersonMan2100d ago

But why would he buy a PS3 and play alone when he can buy a 360 and play with most of his friends? Enjoying video games with your friends is not like drinking, don't get it twisted.

He has to pay for live if he wants the luxury of playing with his friends... it's just the way it is.

avengers19782102d ago

So Plus is 50 a year, downloading LBP 2 (39.99) and Infamous 2 (29.99) just covered that, add in Just cause 2 at (19.99) and im up 30.00 in a month...
and yes there only yours for the life of your plus membership, but honestly when they start paying you to try out games then why not keep it going.

theWB272102d ago

Sony really had to be commended, free online with they option to pay snag then free stuff on top of that. I bash sprint for having is pay for internet then having to pay extra to use your phone as a hotspot. Same for Microsoft, can't pay for a service and then pay for everything inside.

InTheZoneAC2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

I've paid $100 for PS+, so I'm going into the 2nd year with it.

Here's what I got for free:
-Digger HD
-Sackboy's Prehistoric Moves
-Critter Crunch
-Mushroom Wars
-Burn Zombie Burn
-Rag Doll Kung Fu
-Sonic the Hedgehog
-Sonic the Hedgehog 2
-Comet Crash
-Infamous 2
-Magic: The Gathering - Duels of the Planeswalkers
-Streets of Rage 2
-Bomberman Ultra
-Golden Axe
-Burnout Paradise with every expansion/add-on
-Comix Zone
-Crash Commando
-Blue Toad Murder Files
-Astro Tripper
-Altered Beast
-Back to the Future - all episodes
-Swords and Soldiers
-Plants vs Zombies
-Costume Quest
-Fatal Intertia
-Supersonic acrobatic rocket powered battle cars
-the simpsons arcade game
-shank 2
-shift 2 unleashed
-inferno pool
-trine 2
-frogger returns
-hamster ball
-rock of ages
-wipeout hd
-virtua fighter 5 final showdown
-warhammer 40000 space marines
-ratchet and clank all for one
-lara croft and the guardian of light
-saints row 2
-just cause 2
-hard corps uprising
-choplifter hd
-zombie apocalypse never die alone
-littlebigplanet 2

Most of these games are very good and I'm not even counting the free ps1 games, minis, themes and avatars that I got. And I'm not counting discounts on other games I paid for.

How many XBL PAYERS can say they get their money's worth when they are clearly getting robbed?...

Morpheuzpr2102d ago

And you get access to cloud saving automatic updates Quore and game betas.

fr0sty2102d ago

Some people are trying to use games like WOW as an example of people paying to play a game. If one game wants you to subscribe to pay, you have the choice of not playing that particular game. However, with Xbox, you have to buy another console if you don't agree with paying to play online. That is just stupid, and there's no way to spin it. Not everybody out there gives a damn about community, as not all of us are kids/teenagers who have a hundred friends who game online. For us to be forced into paying for all those features that we'll never even use is just dumb, and the reason why I'll never own an Xbox.

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StrongMan2103d ago

It's about time. What took you so long?

cstyle2103d ago

Plus is offering some great deals but i will still be keeping xbox live too.

xJumpManx2102d ago

I recommend using the PSN service and you will see how much better XBOX Live is. PSN is getting better but it was flawed from the beginning the XBOX is built for online play the PS3 seems to be just tacked on. Sony is trying to give games for this pay service and thats cool but the pure best online play for games is Xbox Live and its not even close.

FunkMacNasty2102d ago

@ Jumpman -

I'm sure I'll be your only 'agree', since you just dogged a Sony feature on N4G ;-)

But yes, I totally agree. Maybe the price of XBL is a bit steep, where PSN is free, but comparing the two services side by side, I think XBL edges out PSN simply because it's online play features are better.

It will be interesting to see the kinds of comments we might get from people in a fuss over our opinion on XBL.. in a similar thread recently someone told me that PSN is still better, even without Party Chat/cross game chat, because "if you wnat to talk to someone in a multiplayer game, just use your phone." lol

FunAndGun2102d ago

that is the ONLY thing that is different Party/Cross chat.

when you guys say "...but the pure best online play for games is Xbox Live"

and "it's online play features are better"

that doesn't mean anything! the ONLINE PLAY IS THE SAME, besides the chat functionality.

BF3 plays the same F-ing way online on both PSN and Live.

You guys really are brainwashed into spending hundreds of dollars for a chat function. then you try to defend yourselves getting robbed by claiming to have better online play when the ONLY thing advantageous is the stupid chat.

damn you guys are drones.

gokuss1220022102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

It's cool to have an opinion; however, I say that you guys are lying about your "opinion"...

Speaking of cgc, WHY IN THE WORLD would you want to be conversing with someone who is playing an entirely different game? This (supposed) desire implies that you DON'T play tactfully (amongst your team); for you should be communicating with them, instead of someone who's NOT EVEN PLAYING THE (SAME) GAME...

Party? why would I need a party? when you're out with your "friends", do you hold hands and go to the bathroom together?

Oh and for the record, Ps3 does have cross-game-chat. It just currently doesn't support cross-game-voicechat

EDIT: btw, these aren't rhetorical questions

ABizzel12102d ago

My take on the matter is as follows:

As far as strictly gaming goes, XBL is better than PSN, because:

1. Party Chat
2. Cross game chat
3. A free mic with every console = a more vocal community (for better or worse at times.)

Party Chat is great when you have a group of good friends you play with. Most of the people on my friends list are people I actually know, or people I've gotten to know by playing with them so much on XBL. Being in a party together let's us stay in touch no matter what we're playing. If I'm playing a single player game, and they're playing a team match of Left 4 Dead, then I can still talk and have a conversation with them even though I'm not in there. It may seem like a trivial thing, but it's nice to have when you really have true friends to play with.

Cross game chat isn't as big of a deal to me as party is. It's good that I can send a message to someone when someone in the party is getting on my nerves, but other than that party takes care of everything you need.

A free mic coming with every 360 helps give everyone a voice online, although some people refuse to us it. This is great, because it make online gaming more personal. When people talk shigady online it can be over the top, or friendly competition either way it's personal. You can be playing a co-op game, and you're partner can help you learn the ropes, or tell you they need help making the game more personal. You can hear that annoying little kid in the group and mute him, but feel good because more than likely that was you growing up. Xbox 360 has a more vocal community than PSN. XBL feels alive, whereas PSN can feel like you're playing with bots. There are some vocal PSN players out there, but I've yet to find a group similar to what I've found on XBL.

As far as overall PSN stomps XBL IMO, and PS+ is the biggest reason.

PS+ is an amazing subscription, and something all PS3 owners should have (PS Vita PS+ needs some work). Thanks to this service I've tried and bought countless PSN titles simply because I was able to play and enjoy games that the media rarely covers (Costume Quest, Pixel Junk games, The Walking Dead, and so much more). PS+ highlights good PSN titles that would / have been overlooked. Also being able to play a full hour of a game does wonders. That first hour of a game you're on the edge of buying let's you know if it's worth it. Now we're getting full games for free, just sets PS+ over anything XBL has to offer.

I have nearly 200 downloaded games, demos, and trails on my PS3 all of which I enjoy to play whenever I go back to them. My 360 has probably 10 - 15. PS+ is absolutely amazing, it shows XBL what they need to do to step their game up.

TekoIie2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )


"the ONLY thing that is different Party/Cross chat".

Well there is better quality apps (40D is a prime example which barely worked on the PS3 at one point) faster updates and no mandatory installs.

"BF3 plays the same F-ing way online on both PSN and Live".

Actually BF3 on ps3 still has input lag. when i choose to spawn in a heli if someone beat me to it then i spawn on top of the heli.

"You guys really are brainwashed into spending hundreds of dollars for a chat function. then you try to defend yourselves getting robbed by claiming to have better online play when the ONLY thing advantageous is the stupid chat"

This isnt a religion dude no need to try and "convert" people into making their opinion match yours. Be more open minded. I have had tons of fun talking to friends while playing a different game to them. You'll see how good it is next gen when the PS4 gets it.

"damn you guys are drones"

How long have you been on this site? Not looked at the fanboys from both sides have you?

garos822102d ago

baaah baaaah baaah goes the sheep.

keep paying to play online.x game chat has nothing to do with gaming therefore i dont seem to see what the fuss is in claiming it enhances the game experience. i mean imagine playing a story heavy game like heavy rain and hearing your mate on the other end playing fifa. not sure gaming needs that. now for using it to organise an online match with your friends is another matter but thats what game invites are for. use to pay for xbox live for online gaming then i realised why the hell am i throwing away money.

psn plus this month has given me 4 FULL free retail games that for whatever reason i didnt manage to pick up or skipped. and damn they are bloody good.

motorstorm apocalypse
virtua fighter 5
abe HD( or whatever its called-havent had time to give it a spin yet!)

now tell me which service is catered more towards "gamers"

Oh_Yeah2102d ago (Edited 2102d ago )

the pornstations psn has always been better than live since its free of course. as far as features, free rentals and what have you idgaf about ps+ nor xbl gold. xbox is great for single player games..skyrim, fallout, exclusives, etc. ps3 is good for porn, multiplayer and exclusives. ive only purchased one 3 month gold the 6 years ive owned xbox, wont be purchasing ps+ either. free psn ftw

Morpheuzpr2102d ago

If MS decides to give online gaming for free and pay $60 a year for "Party Chat/cross game chat" would you still pay for it?

ShinMaster2102d ago

Are you sure?
Because you had to install Battlefield 3's second disc on Xbox 360 just to get good textures.

So don't say that 360 has no installs.
Besides, a lot of PS3 games don't have mandatory installs.

But wait a minute... what does installs have to do with having to pay for XBL to play online or PS Plus' optional service?
NOTHING. Nice try though lolololol