This is just more clarification on MS's 1080p update.
So you need a VGA cable if you want 1080p for HD-DVD movies; on component it's only up to 1080i. How odd.
that's because all HDTV's aren't able to use component for 1080p, that's the TV's fault though.
The HDMI announcement will be at x06
That's not true, Paul. I'm sorry but my TV can do 1080p over component. So although most cannot do it over component, it is ERRONEOUS to say that ALL CANNOT. If you don't believe me, here is the link to the specs of my TV:
Also, this news was posted earlier here by Donkey Slayer:
As for amirm, he is definitely legitimate - I have even had conversations at AVS forum with him over my TV (The very one in the link above). He is a HD-DVD insider as well as a MS employee and certainly knows what he is talking about.
Well actually I was gonna edit my post and say most can't do 1080p component not all. That's just how their built.
does this mean that if you get the vga plug the xbox 360 will upscale normal dvds?
This is from Joystiq as well:
"Similar to the way the Xbox 360 upscales original Xbox games from 480p to 720p/1080i, you'll be able to enjoy your existing Xbox 360 games at the new resolution. As if you needed more proof that Microsoft's adoption of high definition HD-DVD is little more than a strategic move to limit Blu-ray's potential sphere of influence, Microsoft's 1080p software upgrade will also remove some of the value of their upcoming HD-DVD add-on by upscaling your existing DVD movies to HD resolutions, including 1080p."
That excerpt can be found here:
Yes its true...you need vga or hdmi to do the 1080p (for movies only)....Componant will do 1080p for games....
But to solve all that...you can buy a vga to dvi adapter for less than 10 dollars and there you have it. Vga anolog to full dvi digital. And you get 1080p out for both movies and games.
I have a 32" LCD HDTV and it runs 4080p/i, 720p and 1080i. Now my Xbox 360 is running off of component, so you meaning to say, that if i get a VGA-DVI-D cable and an adapter, and then when the HD DVD thing comes out, I can watch movies and play Xbox 360 games and have it being upscaled to 1080p on a max. 1080i tv?, or am i screwed for 1080p. Plus when i get the PS3, all I have to get is an HDMI cable and it has audio and video and it upscales everything into 1080p?, So please help me out here, what are your suggestions for this?
If you could answer hose, that'd be great
Edit: Oh BTW, my tv has 2HDMI inputs, but one is being used for my HD Terminal, and i want the other one to be used for my PS3, just incase you were suggesting HDMI. Thanks
I wont be buying the HD-DVD add on so I dont really care. As long as the games play in 1080p over component, I'm straight.
Then thats the max resolution your tv can accept. You need a 1080p tv to get the 1080p signal the 360 and the ps3 can output. Thats the reason MS decided to target 720p and 1080i games. Like you, most people's tvs output 720p and 1080i. Very very few people have 1080p tvs. So the feature that sony fans brag about most is the feature that not many people can utilize.
BTW...on the same link I gave, there are dvi to hdmi connectors as well. So you could change your vga to hdmi. Many people didn't know that.
If the best I can get out of my tv is 1080i, and if i get HD DVD for Xbox 360 with VGA-DVI, and PS3 with HDMI, then id experience full 1080i on my tv. So it would be just as clear from that as of a 1080p tv. cause really there are no differnces are there?, like major, not tiny differences. Ill still get the best of cables and best of picture with 1080i as i do w2ith 1080p?
Well all I can say is I'm getting a VGA 360 cable, and passing on a HD-DVD drive. Although I wasn't gonna get one anyways for years.
720p upscaled DVD's anybody, FOR FREE. I've been using 480p on my HDTV, this just got alot better.
Look for these at X06
-Halo 3 trailer, (they've implied it)
-price drops or bundles
If you will, please allow me to clear up some incorrect or misleading information on this thread.
First, though, I want to say what is right. TopGamer is correct in that if your TV is only capable of 1080i, then the best resolution you can attain is 1080i. 1080p feeds will do 1008i TVs no better than 1080i feeds will.
Onto the clarifications.
Hyperbear, you said:
"So it would be just as clear from that as of a 1080p tv. cause really there are no differnces are there?, like major, not tiny differences."
Is there a major difference between 1080p and 1080i? That all depends on you. I own a 1080p TV and a 1080i TV. Personally, I notice a major difference in the quality between the two, and my neighbors have as well. However, if you cannot, then does it really matter? That's why the old eye test in the store is always a necessity before buying a set.
TopGamer, you wrote:
"But to solve all that...you can buy a vga to dvi adapter for less than 10 dollars and there you have it. Vga anolog to full dvi digital. And you get 1080p out for both movies and games."
That is a bit misleading. It is not FULL DIGITAL. Yes you can use a VGA-DVI adapter, but this essentially turns your DVI connector on your TV into a VGA connector. It is still an analog signal that is being sent to your TV. The cable cannot, and will not, "magically" make the signal digital. If the signal anywhere from teh source to the TV is in analog form, the final signal will be analog. The only way to get a digital signal is if the source is digital, the cable is digital, and the input is digital. If anywhere on that line an analog type connection is put in, like a VGA connector, the signal received will ultimately be analog, not digital.
In essence, then, the only purpose that the VGA-DVI cable serves is to provide a connection for people that do not have a VGA connection on his or her TV, but do have a DVI or HDMI connection.
Hope this helps,
Are not noticable to most people. You would literally not be able to see a difference on any tv less than 61 inches. In some cases I have seen 1080i hd dvd movies that look better than movies on blu ray in 1080p. I have a 1080p tv and I have asked people when I switch it back and forth....no one can tell which is which....so its pretty close. Now to complicate things....if you have a game running in 1080i and you play it on a 1080p tv...it will de interlace the signal and you will actually be viewing a 1080p up conversion. And yes, fundamentally you loose quality when you de interlace...but the de interlacer in the new 1080p TV's are specacular....and there is no degregation of the quality. But, 1080i and 1080p are the exact same resolution. They both are 1080 by 1920. P and I are just the way the image is displayed. And it all happens so fast....the human eye can't tell the difference for the most part. But when game developers make games in 1080p....it is hardware intensive. Thus, most likely the reason for several ps3's burning out running ridge racer at TGS. Think of it like this....
I I I I I I I I I I I
The top line of I's are interlaced signal but it happens 30 times a second....
The botton line is Progressive and happens 30 times a second.
It happens so many times a second that the eye can't see the interlacing.
Now the new 1080p tvs fill in the spaces...basically Line doubling....but once again...it all happens so fast that the human eye can't really see a difference. Its all 1080 by 1920...it just the way the image is projected....MS knew that most people have 1080i and 720p tv's. SO thats what they targetted but all along they were capable of 1080p. they just understand that its only a perk for a very small few. And they want "MOST" consumers to know that they made a system for everyone. Not just the tech freaks which are small in number anyway.
What I'm curious about is ....if a game is made for 1080p and its being played on a 1080 i tv or 720p tv...will it look wierd being down converted? I'm just curious because I never hear anyone talk about that. I know 1080i upconverted to 1080p looks fabulous...but what about the other way around?
And yes your right. I was just informing people that you can "RIGHT NOW" go to the store and buy a vga to dvi to hdmi adapter and watch your 360 on your HD tv that uses HDMI or DVI. When the update is done...you will then get 1080p with your movies and games. Its inexpensive to do and it works like a charm. Why nobody has mention this before....Who knows. But it is a clear option for those who want HDMI or DVI NOW for their 360.
And here is an interesting comment from Phil with SONY.....
On the topic of the PlayStation 3 and 1080p support, Sony corporate director Phil Harrison told us that while 1080p was important, it should only be implemented "when appropriate." He also added that "some games actually look better at 720p."
In post 9, you said:
"And they want "MOST" consumers to know that they made a system for everyone. Not just the tech freaks which are small in number anyway."
Gee, thanks. I already had dork, nerd, dweeb, egghead, and now I have to add TECH FREAK? lol I figure that as an electrical engineer, I should have the latest technology :)
What I would also like to add to this thread is a great cable site:
They offer great quality cables for every need.
Secondly, 1080p TVs are not that much money as everyone thinks. One can get a 46" 1080p LCD from Samsung and Sony for less that $2500. Granted it is more than a CRT, but consider that some Sammy 720p TVs of 46" go for nearly 3 grand at CC, you might as well go 1080p for less or the same money. All you have to do is know where to look - like Datavis.com. They're even listed on Samsung's site as trusted authorized resellers. Hey, I'm just saying. 1080p is not that far off in my opinion, especially with SED TVs coming out...
PS TopGamer, Didn't you used to be "The Real Deal"?
cause all of us gamers have 2500 bucks american, I live in Canada so its about 3000, just to spend on a TV. You could prolly buy a good running car for that much. so what would you rather get, a 1080p HDTV cause there are soo many things in 1080p now, or a car where you can take it to a demolishin derby and beat the sh!t out of everyone else. I mean god, i just blew 2000, after taxes, just for a 32" Samsung LCD HDTV, because thats the biggest i can get in my room. We are not all richie rich like you and topgamer are, that we can blow 10000 on tvs and and see what the difference between 1080i and 1080p. Im just lucky i got a HDTV in the 1st place, now you say ive got to take it back and get a 1080p. GOD I NEED HELP.
If you read my post, I said yeah it was $2500 but SO ARE SOME 720P TVS!!!!! I was simply saying that those people already going to spend $2500 on a 720p TV, they might as well be aware that they can get 1080p for that same price.
I'm in Buffalo and no one in Buffalo is a "richie." The cost of living is cheap here (like I can get a 1.5 million home here for 300K, but incomes are also the same way. A $40K job/year is like 120K/year elsewhere in the country.). So in my area, the real estate business is in line with how much one makes, but all else is not. I've been saving for my TV since 1997 when I bought a small CRT off of my parents. My 1080i TV I won at my company picnic. So I am by no means, a “richie.”
Anyway, I will still try and help. All of those connections are correct.
As for waiting for a new TV, there are many things to consider. Sure there is stuff better coming out to wait for, but there always is. In theory, if you continue to wait, then you will never own a TV! SED TVs, 1080p, HDMI 1.3, and all this other stuff sure MAY make your experience better, but keep in mind that being happy with it is the most important part. I say keep it if it looks good to you :).
So heres the breakdown. I have a 32" LCD HDTV that supports 480i/p, 720p and 1080i. I have 1 component input, 2 AV w/ S-Video inputs, 1 PC Input, 2 HDMI Inputs w/DVI compatibility and HDCP, and digital audio input. So what ive been hering is that I should get a VGA cable for the 360, HDMI cable for PS3 and component for Wii, then the other HDMI slot will be used for (HDMI-DVId cable) my HD Terminal. Or should i just get rid of the tv, and wait for the time to get a good tv. I dunno what to do, like, i said before, I NEED HELP.
Top Gamer said: #69 Donkey Slayer
TopGamer "1080p can be displayed via componant cable for hd dvd and games. "
I told you buddy, I stick to the facts ;)
plus the fact that most t.vs don't have vga is sad hdmi looks to be winning
All of the HDTVs that I've seen that have DVI or VGA ports.
Upscaled DVDs aren't as clear as HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, but it makes your current DVD collection look much better.
But is it not true that SOME TV's restrict the resolution the VGA port will accept ??
Not sure, that is why I ask.
I know right now the 360 VGA output is capped at 1360x768
I can only assume the fall update will OPEN this cap to the 1080x1920 in FULL PROGRESSIVE.
Is this a correct assumption.
Glad I got the VGA cable (and will buy the HDMI if needed)
Other CURRENT resolutions:
be simpler. I know that may sound dumb but a friend of mine who knows probably everything to know about 1080p hddvd said that one thing they dont want you to know is that if a game were to run at full 1080p like a 720p games can run that the games wouldnt be as indepth say backgrounds and everything looking perfect. So with 1080p certain things will look good but wont some parts of game suffer. But dont get me wrong im sure 1080p will eventually get to where 720p can play all the time but given the hardware we have now wouldnt it be more work on the systems.
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