Stephen T of Kotaku writes " I spent most of my interview at E3 with Sony's head of hardware marketing, John Koller, talking about the PlayStation Vita and what in the world is going on with Sony's lovely handheld. But today I'm going to tell you about how he responded to a question about the PlayStation 3, a most basic question that seems appropriate to ask 5 1/2 years after the launch of the PlayStation 3. "
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I guess it's because xbox is selling like crazy in japan /s
But really this whole console war doesn't matter.
Playstation players just have more to play.
But I do feel sad because I will miss out not being able to learn ushers dance moves & shooting at rainbow colored tin men. sigh.
The games they make are awesome and they are a true gamers games. Not just some COD rehash. That is what "gamers" are all about today. Its all about what plays COD better..lol sad but true.
I am a proud owner of both systems of this gen. I am happy with how long both have held out. I just feel that while Microsoft is on its last leg and losing steam fast, Sonys PS3 is still pushing and wowing us with each new exclusive they show.
So thats what counts to me. What wows gamers the most, and as it stands PS3 has done it for me.
I'm happy to see that outside of N4G your opinion is completely meaningless, and Sony's last place after 5/6 years proves it.
Sony is 1st when it comes to games, and for now that's all I ask of my Playstation.
seriously, except ultimate xfanboyz, who is listening kotaku's craps in 2012 after years of lies and stupid articles on this blog ?
3rd place this gen is not THAT bad considering they sold more than 60mil already and 360 is not THAT far away ahead. Wii is a different story but this is nothing like last gen's 2nd and 3rd! last gen XBOX was 2nd with 25mil lifetime while the PS2 still going strong with 150mil+!
you guys are seriously in need for a surgery in the head if thinking that 3rd place is dooming Sony in any way! guess what, their gaming division is making money and proof? exclusive games keep coming! that's how you know that the PS brand is still going strong.
* Because PS3 launched at least a year after the Xbox 360.
* However, the PS3 has sold faster, cutting the 8 million gap down to only 2.
* This means the PS3 is practically in 2nd place ahead of the 360 judging from the sales rate, along with the higher percentage of people re-buying 360s than PS3s for specific reasons.
Had both systems launched simultaneously, the PS3 would obviously be ahead by about 6mil.
Do the math.
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Back in the PS2/GC/Xbox era, I wasn't even aware of the sales. I only knew PS2 won (in most people's hearts) because of the games.
And like many people have already stated, the games on PS3 have also determined the same. Although, that's still a subjective matter.
Spin it however you guys like.. I'm sure Sony likes how they went from the undisputed King of Console sales to 3rd.. 150 million to 63 million! Yeah any company would rather have the quality of games rather than the console sales.. And your right about the 1 year head start.. I mean if the PS2 had lauched the same year as the Dreamcast then the PS2 would've sold more.. /sarcasm... lol
I've been busy playing so many games on my PS3, and so many great exclusive games at that, that I didn't stop to notice.
Tretton even had the brass balls to come out on the E3 stage and say flat out that they are happy with where they've been because they know they can continue to provide so many incredible gaming experiences to their fans. Sony gets the games, and that's all I care about.
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You're very entertaining.
and the 1year headstart! I dont think they forget that.... I mean if the situation was reversed would the 360 sell as fast as the ps3?
lets be real!
Exclusives that get bought make the world spin. Twisted Metal and Skyhawk are just lying there.
@Peppino7
If you subtract the RRoD consoles from Microsoft's total Sony would be in second place. But it also would mean 360 owners buy a lot more games. And are the real hardcore gamers. Because all of the major hardcore titles sell a lot more on the 360.
So are u saying that even Sony is wrong about their stance...wow
so I guess Sony is biased against Sony also, just like the gaming media, as claimed by all the sony extremesits. I guess also that Sony is also part of the global conspiracy against Sony?
wow, denial is such a strange condition.
I agree with you whole heartedly and I like the fact that there is a differentiating factor between the PS3, Xbox 360 and even Wii. There are now options for everyone, not just the geeky hardcore gamer!
This generation has been interesting. In terms of sales the Wii has won by a landslide, but as we gear towards the end of the generation it is also the console that is on the decline the fastest, and overall the Wii sensation is a little harder to explain since it isn't targeting traditional gamers.
In second place is the xbox 360. But a lot of that is because MS had a really good launch and has been able to just glide on that. Sony had a horrible launch but really came out swinging midway through the generation and has arguably been the console the most on the rise as we end this generation.
As we begin the next generation. Ironically, Nintendo has the most to prove in that if it can reproduce the Wii fad. But, I will be watching MS and Sony very carefully in the upcoming year before I choose which console will be preferred.
OT - Speaking of denial, anyone who doesn't admit MS is still ahead because of that headstart is insane, given the sales numbers since PS3 launched. The price of the PS3 was a clear factor also, but even with that price the PS3 has outsold 360 pretty consistently since launch.
Except this article isn't about games. Sales is the topic and so should be in the comments section.
ALSO...
Over half the people that bought wii's arent real gamers so their sales dont count (obviously) so the ps3 really outsold the wii also (sd shouldnt count anyways, not compared to the glorious HD that the cell produces).
So as you can see PS3 is the clear winner. It doesnt matter if the 360 and wii have both sold more. It doesnt matter that sony admits its sold the least of all 3. Facts dont matter duh!!!
Based on the number of disagrees you got for your excellent point, Sony fans disagree with Sony also.
1. Xbox launched the next-gen first: While this didn't hurt the PS3 at the time, it would later come back to. (MS competition)
2. PS3 cost $500 or $600 at launch with no killer franchises to justify the purchase. That price was far too high to sell to gamers, especially with no Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, God of War, etc... Day 1. (Sony's fault)
3. Nintendo launched the Wii alongside the PS3, and with it's motion controller and an entry price of $250 compared to $500, the Wii stole much of Sony's thunder. (Nintendo competition)
4. The Xbox showed what next-gen truly looked like. Gears of War was the first game to show what these consoles would be able to achieve later in their life cycles, and it was only on Xbox 360. All those people that had waited for a PS3 slowly moved towards where next-gen was already being displayed. (MS competition)
5. MS stole 2007 from Sony. Mass Effect exclusive to Xbox 360, Bioshock at the time exclusive to Xbox 360, Halo 3 exclusive to Xbox 360, and with Gear of War just stealing the thunder from Sony that previous year of it's launch was enough to get people to jump on the 360 bandwagon and leave Sony behind. (MS competition)
6. The media. This was the final and largest nail in the coffin at the time for the PS3. You were hard pressed to find anything good about the PS3 between launch 2006 - and 2007. Everyday there was an article about how awful the PS3 was, developers bashing the console, how the 360 was the new king of gaming, how the PS3 had no game (which was a flat out lie), and so much other BS that the majority of the U.S. actually began believe it, even though the majority of the U.S. didn't have a PS3, never played a PS3, and didn't give the PS3 a chance. (Fault the Media & slightly Sony's for not having huge franchises Day 1)
Together all that caused the PS3 the huge struggle took to get where it is now, and now it's the best selling console worldwide on a weekly basis, and has another full 3 - 4+ years ahead of it, and may very well continue the success that its predecessor have established as long as events like the awful PSN hack don't continue to plague them.
And it would be completely true. Yes the article is about a fact that the PS3 is in 3rd but its really Kotaku coming up with another excuse to bash Sony.
There's a couple of things that we know about this situation. One, market research has shown that even thought the 360 sold more consoles overall, the PS3 has more active consoles in the wild.
Two, head 2 head since the PS3 launched it's handily outsold the 360 despite the much higher launch price. Consumers have spoken and their message is clear, they prefer the PS3, they just didn't have a choice at the start. At one point the 360 was ahead by over 8 million consoles. What's it at now?
they weren't actually kotaku's faked videos and they edited the article when they realised that it may have been tampered with. Anyway, I'm getting kinda scared by the passion and anger on n4g in articles like this one...
Look at all you Sony fanboys go!!!
Lets face simple facts, it has sold less....doesn't matter how much of a head start the 360 had, it has still sold less!! The PS2 sold 150 mill so where are those customers now? If their fanbase was so loyal you would have expected at least half of them to have upgraded by now and enjoying such a 'glorious' console but no, Sony thought we'll put out a console at a ridiculous price and expect the fans to lap it up....were they ever wrong!!
They tried to rip of this gen and it didn't work, yeah it maybe selling now but for how long? Even after numerous price cuts it's still not selling all that well and yeah maybe it is top of the leader board in terms of current sales but only coz the Wii has it's user base installed and the 360 is slowing right down so theoretically it is only a 2 horse race.
As i recall every single person i knew had their PS2 chipped and was buying games for £2/3 and i knew of people buying the PS2 and going straight to a guys house to get it chipped and get some games....maybe that is why it sold so many consoles in comparison, where as the PS3, i don't know anyone who has theirs chipped so maybe that is a cause?
To sit there tho and blame everything under the sun for lack of sales, RROD, head start, Wii stealing the casual crowd....whatever, fact remains it has just not sold as well as was expected so dry your tears and deal with it!!!
MS was the industry's laughing stock while Sony was making all sorts of negative comments, and just five years later, who is laughing all the way to the bank now?
There is a reason why Sony's stock is on a 31-year low!
My god how desperate jayzablade is for attention. Nobody reads your comments it seems. i read the first sentence and that's it. Try to be more suble with your trolling if you want to trick people into readyng your BS.
MS's risk was pretty much no risk since they have deeeeeep pockets unlike anyone else. Pretty much anyone else would've gone bankrupt with xbox. They buy themselfs into fame anytime they want cause they know USA will eat anything they feed them.
It would be different if the ps3 was at 22 million or something, but both in the 50 million range is neck and neck.
The one game that had really stood out this gen for me from sony was demons souls, but they went and screwed that up because they thought it was terrible. No cinematic experience every 5 seconds meant that it was worthless to them. They could of taken that series so far if they just made the game a bit easier for noobs to get into... oh well.
I remember a time when xbox guys seamed to say smart and insightfull things but that dont happen anymore.
You can always glue one 9v battery underneath the PS3 controller if that would make it more comfortable for you.
That still doesn't help you with the crappy thumb sticks and awful triggers, and the wings that stick into the palms of your hands like they are trying to make you let go of it.
The PS controller hasn't changed hardly at all since it first came out. Ad it shows to those that like an ergonomic controller for gaming and have tried something better. MS has went from great controller and improved it to what it is today. It just works.
"ergonomic controller"
From Wikipedia:
"Ergonomics is the study of designing equipment and devices that fit the human body,"
Notice "fit the human body". 360 controller battery pack gets in the way, so it is not ergonomic.
Xbox 1 lost well over 4 billion dollars. A number they have yet to recoup with 360. While 360 did break the "profitable" margin for itself, it never once broke profitablity for the Xbox brand as a whole when you factor in the losses from the original Xbox. As such, Xbox as a brand has yet to turn a single dime of profit.
(however, Sony did erase every bit of profit they made off of PS1 and Ps2 with the losses they suffered with Ps3)
While MS may sell 13 million copies of Halo, the fact of the matter is they only have a few games that sell well when it comes to exclusives (probably why they sell so well, you guys don't get much choice). Sony has many more exclusive titles, and while they do not sell as well they sell well enough to keep up with the sales of the fewer games MS puts out. That said, fewer games = fewer budgets to make back, so it is likely that MS makes more profit from their game sales than Sony does. As for third party games, while 360 usually sells a little more, it isn't enough to write home about.
Xbox 1 lost over 4 billion dollars - that's what happens when you start up an entir new division lol. Hundreds of people to employ + hundreds of millions of dollars (most probably 1 bil +) in R & D + 10s of millions budget for games....starting a console business is not cheap. The original Xbox was never expected to be profitable. Microsoft have said as much - they have a three step plan for the console business:
1. Xbox - get the foot in the proverbial door. Get some established franchises and get developers on board.
2. Xbox 360 - secure a good chunk of market share. Get the Xbox brand to be synonymous with gaming.
3. Xbox 3 - secure number 1 console position.
They're on track so far.
Sony on the other hand lost more on the PS3 alone than Microsoft have lost on their entire startup of their xbox division and subsequent consoles. Microsoft gained market share and increased profits, sony lost massive amounts of market share and even more money. As you said, they literally erased ALL of the money they made from their previous 2 consoles, which are the best selling consoles of all time. That should tell you something.
If not more so.
Toyota is in first place in cars salez guys! Bugatti is last oh shame poor them they suck, right?
The xbox360 was before the Wii yet the Wii destroyed both the PS3 and Xbox360 so what year the 360 came out had nothing to do with it. It was because Sony release a high price system that didn't have any good games at the time it was release.
Furthermore the ps2 was out before the first Xbox and yet back then no one was saying the ps2 beat the original Xbox because it had a head start a lot of people are hypocrites on this site.
What happen was Sony got foolish and built a expensive system and assume people from the ps1 and ps2 era would just jump on the ps3 as if the masses were brain dead sheep who blindly buy anything Sony. I will amit I brought a ps3 when it first came out but not because of the brand or being a blind loyal sheep but because you could install Linux on it (A feature Sony advertised and then removed and i'm still p*ssed about that) Sadly for Sony the masses weren't dumb and what Sony had planned didn't happen and now they are in last place.
Sony did this to themselves and all you can try to spin it all you want too, but that is the cold hard truth.
irony
Also, I don't agree that the ps3 is or was more expensive. They were both marketed different. Microsoft was brilliant in getting a machine in ur hands for cheaper. But, once I went wireless, upgraded hard drive and paid to play online, my ps3 was cheaper and had a blue ray.
This article really brought out a bunch of fanboys.
I have purchased 3 xboxs 1 ps3
You make a good point there - I wonder how many 360 sales were multiple purchases by people due to the Red Ring Of Death? A lot of people out there, especially older parents, would never of heard of the RROD and the extended warranty and as soon as their kids 360 died would have just bought another one. I had to get 3 replacement 360s myself since 2006 whereas my first PS3, bought in 2010, is still going strong.
At the same time I reckon that MS give to a big audience what they want (Halo and Gears) and Sony couldn't release an IP able to front those games.
(Again, Uncharted is a totally different game from Gears, Killzone is awesome but "unrefined" in some aspects)
A big kudos to third party, since most of the better experiences come from their studios; it's strange that Sony has the best studios tech wise but no one pulled out an experience like Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect.
Finally, a big mid finger to Nintendo, whose casual oriented machine sucked up great franchises from more interesting machine (Monster Hunter, the best JRPGs)
That's the real question. Why is that people still continue to game on the 360? It's unreliabe, less powerful, loud, needing proprietary products and contains an online pass of $60.oo a year.
I'm stumped.
Oh, and you pay for advertising too. How sad a society we live in when people actually pay for ads.
Enjoy!
by those standards wii is the #1 system yet it didn't have a lot of great games besides N 1st party, had no 3rd party support and had no online community compare to ps3,xbox360
last of us a new IP
Heavy rain a new IP
Infamous a new IP
Uncharted a new IP
Beyond a new IP
invest int free to play MMO
MAG 250 players online in a match
Resistance a new IP
heavenly sword a new IP
3d dot hero a ps3 very under rated exclusive
so yeh 3rd place by few millions behind xbox360? which system has more exclusives?
which system offers free online? and psn:plus 12 free games this month?
if you are a core gamer ps3,xbox360 combined was the way to go but i have a feeling when ps4 comes out before next xbox360 and may have GT6,Infamous 3 and killzone 4 at launch maybe a different story next gen
I am glad MS is sucessful because that will push sony harder but MS has been happy that they are doing well and now what? kinect and smart glass?
call me a fanboy of sony or Nintendo but i rather have games that any apps or espn on my console
as a gamer games are what's important to me and with 15 1st party studios already in place and QD,Insomniac plus ready at dawn as 2nd party sony is in best place to have a core audience next gen too
ps4 will have cross game chat what else does xboxlive have over psn? one will be free with cross game chat while other will most likely be going up in price because MS think we care more about having youtube on our system than actual game
MS for all the good you did in 1st 3-4 years of xbox360 you killed Rare and fable sudios head also left you open your damn eyes
Get over it already.
Geez, some of these Sony fans are truly pathetic and stuck in denial.
Ever take a look at the average sales per year? I bet you haven't, since that would damage your little notion.
The whole E3 show microsoft showed us three exclusives: Halo 4 , gears of war and fable journey.
Sony > God of war , beyond two souls and the last of us. Tell me which do you prefer:D God of war , halo 4 and gears of war > Been there
Sarcasm = off;
The reason Sony isn't #1 after the blazing success of the PS2 is a combination of reasons.
Pricing.
Poor Marketing.
Weak Launch Library.
are just some of the contributing factors that Sony could've affected.
Couple that with the fact that the competitors changed their strategies.
Nintendo went after a diffrent market and they succeded BIG time.
Microsoft having had their Xbox TRAMPLED by the PS2, went all guns blazing, marketing, launch games e.t.c., and they had moderate success, but they fared ALOT better than with the original xbox.
To clarify that statement, sure who wouldn't want other consumers to own their products? All of them would.
Who wouldn't want to make billions of dollars in the process of selling you said products? All of them would.
But in my opinion what has made Sony different than it's competitors is that they have stayed consistent through this whole generation.
Examples are even with the media bashing they stayed consistent!
Through the ps3 has no games vendetta, Sony stayed consistent!
Through the ps3 is just a glorified dvd player, Sony stayed consistent!
Through the Earthquake and nuclear reactor leak, Sony stayed consistent!
Hell! Even when the playstation network as well as Sony pictures were hacked they stayed consistent! Some were quick to turn their backs on Sony, place blame on them even when they had no control over the circumstances! But guess what they stayed consistent!
A quick question to us so called gamers!?! What company has had to overcome all the adversities and setbacks, but at the same time deliver what we as gamers wanted or want??? NONE!!!!
You don't race the competition you only race the debt you have acquired. If they had 5-20 million selling games on avg they could recoup.
This can be dangerous since MS is only in this to slow sony down much like how sony slowed nintendo down before. Ms has OS money to keep them afloat yet they are not spending it all on gaming are they? Doesn't seem like it.
Another problem is their movie games need core game play in them that is truly re-playable. That means their games need to teach some new skill and let the gamer get better.
Their biggest problem is their games lack a real challenge to come back to... the xbox has this problem also but MS simply let the paying customers offer up said challenge as a service LOL. Devious but smart... So sony has to wise up are get crushed by MS.
Once MS decided to go after the movie and high end tech crowd that will be SONY's last leg. SOny must grow another leg before it's too late.
Lets say, you started selling your apples in 2005.
I started selling my apples in 2006-7.
Nearly every year i outsell you.
But the first year you sold 6million apples when nobody else was around.
Hence you cannot judge who is 2nd,3rd.
Otherwise it's complete and utter bs.
Ring a bell
Add an extra year of sales to the PS3's lifetime sales, based on average sales per year and it would be a head of the 360.
I can't stand this 1st, 2nd, 3rd bulls**t either.
The Wii came out a year later and is in first place.
The ps2 came out a year after the Dreamcast and put Sega out of the console business.
This gen Sony made a lot of mistakes, thus, the reason the console leader of previous two gens, is in LAST PLACE.
Just like I can't comprehend how PS3 fanboys do not understand that the Wii came out just ONE WEEK AFTER the PS3 did and sold some 95 000 000 lifetime. If Wii managed to beat the 360 despite coming out a year late, what's the PS3's excuse?
"Hey! the PS2 launched 5 years before the Wii and Xbox 360, WHY is the 360 and Third place!
You see...The 360 launched a full year after the ps3.
AT A CHEAPER COST.
But the most important thing?
GAMES!
But if you want to get technical...
THE PS3 is OUTSELLING the 360 Worldwide every year.
Fact.
Market Position on the other hand is better measured by year-on-year sales, and that's the way it's generally done for market analysis.
Now could I suggest that Wii is in third place? Ps2 is in first place, and Ps1 is in second place. See how that works? ;)
Remember: There's no concept of "generations" in the market.
The PS3 luanch and struggled. Apple used the same buisness model minus having 1st party games and sold a tablet for $700 dollars after selling a iphone which had actual real value and use and crushed the PS3 numbers and never looked back and it cost more and came out way after the PS3 and was weaker LOL.
In business the facts are the facts and people get fired for not meeting goals that they where hired to meet. I don't think SONY would even try the cell if they knew they may not do huge numbers. It's called a business plan. Sony won with the PS 1 and 2 simply because they knew how to get the 3rd parties on their side.
The PS3 broke that business plan with the cell cpu and the idea that their games are superior to all others, a battle cry you hear against nintendo first party.
I love the one quote in the article though.
- Koller replied. "We've been pleased with overall sales. And also very pleased with just how well then consumers who have purchased PS3s have attached and buy software. We have a very profitable consumer.
Profitable consumer- fanboy that buys every thing they say... yet their debt was even bigger than that the fan's purchasing power. That is a problem they may continue to ignore. When this happens it is called a bubble.
the dreamcast and xbox was much easier but still struggled.
This then trickled down to the other problems that sony now faces.
You may not see these problems but I do and their only solution is a new system and great games.
Also like I said people get fired when they don't do their job and so went krazy Ken...
The only "WINNER" this generation is NINTENDO. How about we all quit arguing over who is first and second losers and start enjoying the actual games.
The 360 is the slowest selling console this gen and the only reason it’s not in third place is that it’s been out 1 year longer then the ps3 (18 months in some places)
For the PS3 to close the gap between it and the 360 the PS3 would have to outperform the 360 in sales.
Exactly. However, they'll fall back on their "American is the biggest market. So there" argument.
ps3 has sold faster than the 360.
360 is the slowest selling console this gen.
1st. Wii
2nd. 360
3rd PS3
I mean you can say "But look at what ps3 did better" all you want. As of this moment.
1st Wii
2nd. 360
3rd PS3
I agree with everything you guys are saying btw. It's all true. But again
1st Wii
2nd 360
3rd PS3
Since 'generation' has no set period apart from respects to each manufacturer separately... how about we count all consoles sold to date, including handhelds. I wonder where MS would come in that calculation then?!?..
SONY
PlayStation - 100m
PlayStation 2 - 150m
PlayStation 3 - 64.8m
PlayStation Portable - 71m
PlayStation Vita - 2.2m
Total: 388,000,000 gaming consoles sold to date.
MICROSOFT
XBox - 24m
XBox 360 - 67m
Total: 91,000,000 gaming consoles sold to date.
Even if you discount what Sony have brought to us as gamers and even excluding the PlayStation's 100m, consoles sold to date (S-S) would be Sony - 288m vs. MS - 91m… this makes MS weak-sauce in my opinion!
The Wii have outsold them both by a HUGE margin, but it is not a current gen system.
The only thing that seperates the Wii from the Gamecube, xbox and PS2 is default motion controller and when it came out, and arguably its Web browser.
In my opinion deciding system gens should be based on features and power/tech and wii fals pretty short in both these departments.
VG Journalism IS dead...
NEC is still around and so is SNK and I loved their consoles! Neo geo had some great games but it sold horribly.
While SONY and their fans are ignoring this stuff with it's the fastest selling 3rd place console... why not just make the PS4 $3000 and get alienware to make the shell and put like 1600 of ram and a 17 inch monitor on it that detaches and is wireless with an i& in it, scratch laptop off and call it a PS4! I mean if you are going to go big go big and stop with this hype crap!
But the place they are in will change, seeing how Wii is slowly dyeing out and Wii U is coming soon.
If being in last place gives us a wealth of AAA exclusives and a ton of first party support then I don't mind Sony coming last.
I'm sure Sega Dreamcast fans felt the same way...
the PS3 is infinitely better than the PS2 was, as was the original xbox and the 360 (but not for quality haha). just because the PS2 sold so much, doesnt mean it was a good console, it just had great game support from having very little competition. nintendo had lost their way and ms were just entering.
But 3rd place doesn't really mean is a bad thing, this generation has pulled in many more new gamers. So console sales generally has been booming.
But honestly saying I think most gamers will agree that the wii was very disappointing. I mean the sales were good, but the control was a gimmick and every household got caught up with the whole hype. It is sad that the wii is 1st place on console sales chart.
I probably enjoyed more games on my Gamecube than I did for my wii.
Also i think the Wii U is definitely going to be in third place next generation as they pushed core players (not all) away with the novelty of the Wii and the Wii U offers little to the casual players either. I cannot see how it can compete in all honesty.
When is the next xbox and ps coming out then.
I thought a race wasn't over till the end.
And even when Sony do release the next console the race isn't over as they will still support the ps3 for awhile after unlike some other companys.
At the end I think ending up in third place despite probably ending up at close too one hundred million units is no that bad, and great for us.
BUT if you divide the sales/years u'll see that PS3 has sold better than the 360 so the 360 is the console in third place in a way BECAUSE if the PS3 and 360 were released at the same time the PS3 would have the bigger userbase.
Oh and the secret to the PS2s success was wait for it casual gamers LOL. Their silence in these forums speaks volumns to their power they hold LOL.
Maybe if sony made more story games that casuals like, like maybe twightlight (mouth puke) or even a true blood tie in?
Always had something for someone. Some people remember games like Crash Bandicoot or Rachet and Clank as their greatest gaming moments, and then you have the side that remembers Socom and God of War as fondly as the ones who loved Crash and R&C.
Like that one guy on here says, "Rated E for everyone", but, the only difference is, The PS2 (and PS1 and PS3 imo) had just as many mature games to balance it out.
That's the lead/advantage/head start the 360 had, which seems to have been 8-10 million units.
What's the difference now, smart guy? Is it still 8-10 million? Last I heard, it was more like 2-3 million. This November will mark the end of the sixth year that the PS3 has been on the market.
The largest potential gain(from a 10 million lead to a 2 million lead) would see Sony selling about 1.333 million units more per year. The smallest(from an 8 million lead to a 3 million lead) would indicate Sony's sold .833 million more each year.
You know what that means?
EVERY YEAR, THE PS3 HAS BEEN CATCHING UP.
Oh, except last year. Kudos to the 360 for that. Though now everyone wants to say that last year's sales coup suddenly equals the 360 always having sold better.
Man, if only there was some difference between selling MORE, and selling BETTER/FASTER....
What goes unannounced is ps3 is in more than 15+ countries than 360. 360 is also not getting any love in japan. So The fact its really only in 2 of 3 regions and 15+ less countries why hasnt ps3 caught up?!
If you wanna talk about games we can do that too.
I'm sorry the Toyota Camry is not the hottest car in the world, get my point ? sales doesn't make one better then the other period.
what is ludicrous is the amount of dumbass comments on this site. if you judged humanity from just this website, you would think human beings were idiots. why do people lose the plot when arguing about their console of choice?
"Your console doesn't sell well on the market. Therefore you should feel bad about your purchase and buy this other expensive piece of equipment to be apart of the winning team"
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That is usually what I see when people argue about sales numbers.
5% is being very generous as well for the RROD replacements,
Can you guys seriously unbiasly disagree with my observations above? If so please explain.
Basicly lost sales due to the the popular knowledge that it wasn't a reliable console.
you can't assume the 360s replaced by the warranty was counted towards a "sale." an anecdote about knowing friends who've paid for a replacement instead of using the warranty shouldn't be used as a stat either
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed...
Sony isn't without faults, but I doubt anyone that owns a PS3 will have much to complain about, regardless of what position the company is in.
I do not think Sony expected to be anywhere near first place this generation. The reason being by the time the R&D was done they knew well in advance there was no way they were going to be anywhere near that. An to think other wise is pretty much unrealistic.The reason being you just cannot change the R&D development spending and finished production templates and expect to start over after you already done everything else upto that point and not have to wait another 2 year's until you could release.Sony did not want to release a game console @ that cost of $500.00 on up they had not choice in the manner; and you cannot expect other companies to exploit that.
which they did.
Microsoft and Nintendo both Knew this..but Microsoft also paid dearly for it more so than they would like. and as this generation goes further slow and steady is better than front loading your sales and dropping your system down where diminishing returns are going to effect your bottom line, Microsoft needed a way to bounce their price back up. That's why Kinect was such a good way to do it.
when Microsoft paid for it..i mean :
in 2007
Verdict: All 11.6 million units of XBox 360 faulty
http://www.techrepublic.com...
people who already bought software for their xbox360's was not about to start over. the Price of the xbox360 than was more than it was now.
Many consumer's did not buy more than one living room console. It hurt PR. more than anything.
though the 1.2 billion was nothing to sneeze at. for any company to soak.
the point is many thing's happened this generation to change the market. and with smartphones and tablets and smart TV's next generation may also not be so clear cut how thing's are going to turn out for any one company.
And who raises their price later in the cycle. The 360 is less than $200 dollars to make. Even the Arcade makes a small profit on each console sols. You make more money by price reductions, not raising the price of the product. Die shrinks are best. MS did that and went the extra step of putting the CPU and GPU on the same die to cut cost almost in half.