First party Wii U launch games will run in 720p, Nintendo has confirmed.
How very 2006 of you Nintendo.
"Paltry, insufficient, and laughable in effort"- Urban Dictionary I guess I will be able to emulate the next generation Nintendo console on my pc. I got Ivy bridge cpu. I am Next, Next, Next generation in NintendoLand.
I don't think your PC even has the power to emulate the Xbox 360 and play games at a playable frame rate. The amount of processing power it takes for emulation is crazy. In addition, Ivy bridge cpu cannot fully be taken advantage of if the game was never programed to take advantage of the multiple cores. Ivy Bridge is nothing without the high clock speed.
I will take some 720p as long as it's 60fps and has NO LESS then 4xAA 720p needs some AA or it's jaggie city:) I always play around with my computer and 720 looks [email protected] 8xAA I can't even tell the difference from 8xaa 720p or 1080p with no AA. a 46 inch Sony TV XBR
" Ivy bridge cpu cannot fully be taken advantage of if the game was never programed to take advantage" Yes, but assuming that Nintendo don't release an official emulation for PC users then maybe the emulation would, in fact, take advantage of the new chipset? Kind of like how PCSX2 can take advantage of multiple cores.
does this mean wii u is not next gen
Perfect emulation steals huge amounts of power, but good emulation won't be too far away for something like 360 i wouldn't have thought. The PS2 emulation scene really started up before average PC hardware was capable anyway, and as the years apssed and the hardware and software became more refined, the better and more playable the games were.
Even Ps2 emus can use multi cores...
Yeah, consider games like Infamous 2 run at 720p and how amazing it looks I could care less. Resolution means nothing it's the quality of the art and visuals.
QUALITY.........that is why some of us want higher resolution. Have you seen 1080 with 8x anti-aliasing @ 60 fps. It is beautiful. I want to see that nice art that the artist spend his time on for who knows how many hours clearly without blur.
Exactly. Besides, most PS3 games don't do 1080p anyway. Not even God Of War III for all of its graphical glory. WiiU games doing only 720P is a non-issue. @ chasegarcia And the key word is "some". To many, 720p is sufficient.
Resolution means A LOT. Comparing a game running at 1680 x 1050 to 1600 x 900 is a HUGE difference.
^ You are correct, but that example is the worst one you could choose.
Resolution must mean SOMETHING. Otherwise why bother even going to HD consoles from PS2 and Xbox. It is tempting for people to say something means nothing, be dismissive, when they don't know what a difference it can make. If they don't experience it for themselves. The gap between 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080 is quite a lot. It is a little more complicated in previous generations, but in the PAL region at least the typical resolution was 720 x 576 from Xbox and PS2. 720 x 576 = 414,720 pixels 1024 x 600 = 614,400 1280 x 720 = 921,600 1920 x 1080= 2,073,600 Which means that going from the previous generation to this HD gen, a lot of people found the number of pixels a little more than doubled right? 414,720 to 921,600. Except a whole raft of games aren't even double. 1024 x 600 included there is the Call of duty games for example, its not even double the previous generation resolution. Halo Reach 1152 x 720? JUST double. 1920 x 1080 is a little more than double 1280 x 720. The actual difference IS comparable going from PS2 to PS3, or from Xbox to Xbox 360. Did you find the resolution increase meant NOTHING from PS2 to PS3? Or did you in fact crow over how much sharper and better it was? Were you impressed how much sharper Xbox 360 games looked on a HDTV compared to Halo:CE, or Splinter Cell Chaos Theory? If so, then please do not dismiss 1080p as if its "nothing" or "meaningless". Because that is as silly as saying the difference in resolution between the SD generation and this HD generation is just as meaningless too.....
True, but if Infamous 2 ran in 1080p at 60fps with no motion blur or jaggies it would be jaw dropping. That's what I want, BOTH worlds.
God of War like most of sonys other IPs SMASH these graphics into the ground! bump mapping, textures, lighting, & all. Not a single Nintendo game is on par with Sonys visuals.. Resolution may be 720p but the game SHINES.. Not like this Wii title w smoother edges
Considering machines released 6-7 years ago and designed ever further back than that (PS3/360) can do the same and better ... this is pathetiv on Nintendo's part. We already knew the graphics would be basically the same as PS3/360 ... but now the games are not 1080 standard? That's crap. The Wii-U is really looking bad right now.
@vulcanproject Does that mean you are all for 4k movies and games as the next step forward? Or do you think that there is a point where resolution would be beyond what the human eye can easily notice (if at a reasonable distance from screen)? Many PC gamers will see resolution from a different perspective if they are used to gaming at close range to a monitor as differences are more easily noticeable, the same cannot be said for people gaming on a large screen from beyond 5ft (assuming 40" TV 1080p content) as pixel definition is lost beyond 5ft. The higher the resolution the smaller that distance becomes i.e. if you doubled the resolution to 2160p you would need to sit 2.5ft away to not lose any detail, in other words at a sensible viewing distance most people wont see the pixels in any case!
Ahh yes LNDcalling i expected that argument. It is true there is a limit to what you can see difference in resolution, of course there is a maximum limit from certain distance and size. I acknowledge that. HOWEVER. That limit is not really being tested too much by 1080p on a decent HDTV an average living room. YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE AND IT IS SIGNIFICANT. Whether its on a HDTV from 5 feet or on a screen up close. http://s3.carltonbale.com/r... This particular graph claims that 1080p on a 40 inch screen from 5 feet is fully noticeable. Indeed on a smaller set from 5 feet it would be. Anyone with a 42 incher or more would notice a good benefit as far away as roughly 8 feet. You claim you can't see much difference but i am one of those that games in 1080p up close on a PC, AND on a 1080p HDTV in my living room from a distance. Claiming that it is all lost beyond 5 feet is simply NOT true as there is still benefits, nor does everyone only have 40 inch screens. To be fair in developed countries thats actually a fairly modest screen size, with manufacturers pushing 42 inches and more. According to sales data customers are opting for bigger screen sizes because of all time low prices and they prefer it. 50 inch market share is increasing. So it is a fact it is well within the range of average human eyesight on a good sized HDTV. There is diminishing returns beyond this, but there is also still a reason why even some existing generation console games run in 1080p or attempt higher resolutions. Otherwise they would be pointless. Its a fact also backed up by everyone going out and buying Bluray players and 1080p HDTVs. Will you turn around and say if Bluray was only 720p nobody could tell the difference in their living rooms? Of course they could. Why is 4k even being developed and being commercialised? Because you CAN tell the difference. If literally the limit is so low as you claim, all that other stuff is pointless too. But obviously it isn't, I know that from common sense and first hand experience....
1080p is noticeable for me in my living room. I also want 1080p standard too because it would help Pc games out and improve their standards. Assets and art built for a higher resolution. Ports to Pc would be better There are more than basic one system benefits to moving to 1080p. 720p is ok but to cover more bases or situations 1080p is what you really want and if it stops there and thats the maximum then so be it.
For everyone that think 720p is sufficient, if your ps3 has the option to play games at 1080p (let's say a setting under display settings on xmb), would you still play your games at 720p since its "sufficient"? do you watch blu ray movies in 720p? since that is "sufficient".
720p is great, 1080p is better, 1440p on a Big Monitor is even better. I dont want to sound like an elitist pig, but I do all these resolutions so it sounds petty to hear people here gloating about 1080p being the bee's knees and somehow 720p is inferior. What I care about the most is a frame rate with all the extra trimmings turned on ultra. Id rather 720p at 60fps ultra than 1440p at 30fps on mediium settings.
but their HD console is 7 years late and launch with 720p games?? WTF big N?? sacrificing 1080p for 60fps means that the console itself is not powerful enough to begin with! much like the GC compared to PS2 but they are in the same gen! so...this pretty much confirm that Wii U is indeed NOT a next gen console! err...welcome to 7th gen Nintendo!
how very 2003 of everyone compared to pc.
Ouch, well its been officially confirmed. ;)
It does say "launch games" It still implies that future games could go higher. Just saying, cause most people don't know how to read. "We might consider using 1080p, but, for example, if we want to get 60 fps, at a particular stage of development, it may seem 720p is more realistic.”" You didn't read the article did you?
unless it is a racing game, its pretty hard for it to happen....
Oh dear, New Super Mario Bros. U will still be awesome in 720p. Oh dear, NSMB games haven't sold less than 25 million each. Oh dear, LAUNCH games mean no game will ever run at 1080p on WiiU /s. Oh dear....lol. Our game sucks but hey it's 1080p..lol...well you can keep it cause i won't play it over 480p classics.
1080p exchanged for 720p with 60FPS im cool with that.
U idiot don't take this from Nintendo almost every decent pc can run 1080p with 60fps and a 2012 console cannot very sad
720p = 1280 x 720 = 921,600 pixels 1980p = 1920 × 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels Yeah, barely any difference. Again, it's 2012, can you even buy 720p TVs anymore?
@piratetho but the wii u have to stream to 1/2 480p controllers which also tax the hardware. so we have 900000 pixels (720p) on the main screen, add to that 400000 pixels have to stream to the wii u controller, and dont even forget those games that can be played with TWO controllers and it all adds up to almost 2 million pixels!
I see you don't know how to read the launch titles are 720 p not the console.
People actually still play games on a pc? Still stuck in the 90s i see. I can just picture you hunched over at your desk with a mouse and keyboard playing warcraft, haha. Go geek out you loser, while real gamers kick back with a REAL controller and REAL games. You sound like the idiot!
It's 720p for LAUNCH games, you idiot.
Screen on controller is a nice idea. But if i'd have a choice, I'd rather go hi res on one screen than half ass on two. I don't know. From an engineering standpoint to have a dump controller as a passive screen only is stupid. It should have its own CPU and offload those things to the controller. I'm wondering if it would really have cost so much more to have a little ARM in that thing which does that. Cost wise that's probably what was necessary to make it competitive. But you loose somewhere. In that case you still need to offset the additional load with what the console can handle. I'll wait if it's worth having that feature.
@godzilla72 You call Lior an idiot yet make stupid comments yourself. Now I'm not a PC Gamer, but you do realise most PCs include HDMI output now don't you? You just hook it up to a TV and you can use a 360 wireless pad to play the games from the comfort of your couch. The only person stuck in the 90s is yourself as it seems that you have not realised that technology has advanced to the point that PC gamers are no longer stuck at a desk. *on topic* If Nintendo just released the damn specs of the WiiU, we could put all this Power speculation to rest.
@ PirateThom <Again, it's 2012, can you even buy 720p TVs anymore?> Yes indeed. Where I live got plenty of those.
godzilla72 - Real gamers play on X360/PS3. Not casual gaming on Kidtendo consoles
Real gamers play games on ALL consoles.
If it were technically very demanding games, with insane graphics and crazy physics, lets say a game like Uncharted, The Last of US or Ubisofts new Watch Dogs, I'd say yes if it got 60fps but reso has to be 720p agreed. If its a New Super Mario, that looks about like the same game on Wii, or a Pikmin thats a tad sharper... No. That should have been 1080p AND 60fps. Certainly for a console thats released in 2012. This just confirms that WiiU isn't really next gen. Its this gen. Next gen will start with Xbox 8 and PSOrbis, games in 1080p from the start. Todays HDTV's are 1080p. This is the Wii all over again. Wii did 480p while 720p was already standard and 1080p was upcoming. WiiU releases and doesn't reach the current 1080p standard but goes 2005/2006 standard when 360/PS3 launched. Weak Nintendo, weak. Recent comparisons of Batman on PS3 and WiiU show even something worse, PS3 version > WiiU version. And worse, WiiU game will be full price 50 to 60 bucks for an old recylced game that looks worse than on the other consoles, PS3 version will be 20 to 30 bucks around the time that WiiU will get it. Sad, just sad. @ Deat_Grin Thats what Sony sad about the PS3 too at its launch... They said games would be 1080p, but then the games arrived at 720p. And it never changed with a few exceptions. Mostly the launch games are not as demanding on textures and physics as the games lateron in the lifecycle of the console, and thus, it doesn't get easier to up the resolution it gets harder as more power is taken to do other technically impressive stuff.
I find it funny that everyone is talking about these articles of how Batman doesn't look as good yet IGN said themselves that AC 3, which is a much much better looking game than Batman, looks great on the Wii U and noone should worry. So i wonder which one it is. I'm more inclined to believe IGN than the other websites. I also find it funny that people think the Wii U won't do well. Alot of people who have a Wii will just upgrade to the Wii U because they already have all the controllers for the Wii. So for them "old recycled games" are new. You don't have to buy it but it's still going to do well.
Wow i got disagree's for telling people this. WII U- Can either do. 720p with 4aa 1080p no aa possible 2aa depending on load.
the difference between 720p to 1080p is pretty big and AA is not that demanding compared to frame-rate anyway. Your comment is all wrong and that's why people are disagreeing with you.
I want to pre order one, But not one good release game. I remember sony bagging on about 1080p and people laughing at 360 for 720p.
Incorrect again wayne, the media banged on about 1080p. 1080p is very nice if you have the rest to go with it. In this gen with current ram and gpu's 1080p is easily possible, but you would not have the fedelity you have in most games, i/e god of war 3, uncharted 1-2-3. Forza4 etc. But i don't want next gen system pushing 1080p x4aa with the same looking graphics as this gen, would be a waste.
Great not the best but I still am pumped its like with 360 and PS3 launch. The games were for the most part that I can remember 720p. It takes time get used to the hardware we cant expect the best right away at launch. Bring on the Wii U cannot wait to get one.
They mean native 720p, which means it can still upscale to 1080p better than ps3/360
Eh... You do know that the 360 upscales native 720p to 1080p too, right? Second: the quality of upscaling depends on the hardware. As we haven't seen a WiiU doing some upscaling yet, it might as well be that the 360's ANA hardware upscaling chip outperforms the WiiU. Have you looked at the comparison shots from Batman on PS3 and Wii? The PS3 version looks better... Where is that insane power you claim the WiiU has? 5 x as powerful as 360 or PS3? Lulz
Screenshots prove nothing nutsack. Nobody can judge Batman on WiiU until we have the full game in motion. We have no idea what stage of development the WiiU shots are at. To claim superiority at this point is asinine.
U forget that upscalling will actually make it look worse than 1080p that's why most devs say the game runs better at 720p than at upscalled 1080p
The WII U is a powerful Machine, a Powerful Machine
I believe this too I just hope Ninty proves it soon to shit some of the haters up. I know a bit about tech so 720p while streaming a 480p stream with 1/60 of a second of lag at 60 FPS. Even 720p with two streams of 480p content at 1/60 second lag at 30+ FPS is good. My question is, if I just use the Pro controller or Wiimotes will it run at 60 FPS 1080p?
Oh dear. After spending the last week drooling over gorgeous titles like Last of Us, Forza and GOW there's no way I could consider playing a game in 720p... It's not a tech race with Nintendo. That pad, selling for a profit. It's not going to be godly, but still a good step up from the Wii.
uhhh...there are only like 5 titles between both xbox and ps3 that run native 1080p.
Launch titles will run at 720p. Maybe down the line it will change?
It does say at launch so chances are these may just all be rushed titles to meet the launch window.
Maybe if a majority spent the time to read the article you might see lines such as....Nintendo game designer Katsuya Eguchi said in an interview that he believes 720p is “sufficient” for the kind of games Nintendo makes, and that the company will focus more on delivering games at 60 frames per second, rather than focusing on higher resolution like 1080p....or better yet....We might consider using 1080p, but, for example, if we want to get 60 fps, at a particular stage of development, it may seem 720p is more realistic....or better still....The Wii U technically supports 1080p Fuckin fanboys, read titles 1st shit all over the article 2nd look stupid 3rd!!
Have you read the comments above yours? Those people are far from the brightest individuals on the interwebz. It it typical of most discussion on N4G these days to completely ignore the actual post and just talk smack.
Yeah i did which is what made me take lines from the article to hopefully educate them on what was actually said rather than just speculate but if brains were chocolate, a majority wouldn't have enough to fill an M&M!!
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I'm no technical genius but ps3 can do games in native 1080p. Lair and ninja gaiden sigma are 2 I know off the top of my head. I also believe 360 has a few in that resolution.
actually those games are not true 1080p, ninja gaiden sigma is 720p that it automatically upscales inside the game to 1080, and lair is "virtually" 1600x1080, so not full 1920x1080. but yes there are games on ps3 that render in true 1080p--marvel ultimate alliance, virtua tennis 3, full auto 2, sacred 2, ridge racer 7, fifa street 3 and others
This is what the Wii SHOULD HAVE BEEN. Not the next gen console. Come on Nintendo. I love your software, but good god you are ALWAYS a generation behind.
if they can't run a simple game like new super mario bros in 1080p 60fps then that is a bunch of bullcrap
Let me guess, you started gaming in 2006. But it does look like Nintendo might be a gen behind for the 2nd time.
"ALWAYS" SNES > Genesis N64 > PS1 Gamecube > PS2 In the three previous generations, Nintendo has had technically/graphically superior consoles than one or more competitors at the time. This is coming from someone who owned a Genesis, PS1, and PS2 during those three cycles.
They aren't saying the Wii U cant run 1080 native, they are choosing to go after 60fps and still run a respectable 720. As of yesterday I recently found out a few of my friends still game on tube televisions, I personally own a TV capable of 1080, but my main gaming television in my room maxes out at 720. I suspect not all PS4 or Xbox 720 games will be native 1080, people are getting all upset over something kind of small. Third party developers can still make games for Wii U at 1080. Some of the best looking games this generation have been 720, like Uncharted and Killzone.
I'm sorry but if can't run launch games at 1080p. Then I'm definitely not getting a WiiU at launch.... Will wait 2-3 yrs when price drops and the good games come out.