Nintendo sure is taunting us with this mysterious Wii U price point. Hopefully the console won't be higher than $400. If it's more expensive than that, I'll probably have to wait a while to get one.
"Nintendo says that they will not be selling the Wii U console at a loss when it launches later this year."
$349.99 at least confirmed. Stupid move considering there will be $199 PS3s and 360s on the market with an accumulation of six years worth of games to choose from. It's gunna be another 3DS scenario. They'll release at $400 to see whose crazy enough to buy it at that price(basically get money from the hardcore Ninty fans first)...then when sales quickly dwindle, they'll drop it to $250 to make people THINK they are getting a great deal since they're saving 150 bux.
from what we have seen so far From the console itself, the controller to the games...they all look cheap imo. If anyone is to take a loss for every console sold, it will be the gamers who buy such cheaply made console!
Then dig your own grave Nintendo. While Sony & MS were more than willing to make a loss to get their consoles into as many homes as possible, leave it to Nintendo and their unbelievable arrogance to reduce the potential success of Wii U
Nintendo only has the console and software market while Microsoft and Sony has some other markets. How can Nintendo sell consoles at a loss? Are you crazy? And how can we say that Nintendo is going to dig it's own grave before we even know the price?
Oh give it a break Shadow flare. They went over budget, almost completely killing the entire department. They couldn't take the risk to sell it at a high price.
"Being much more advanced then 360 "
Yeah is that why they both, 360 and PS3, struggle at sub 720p? Seriously, get your head out of where it is.
Sony shouldn't have released it at $600 but even at that price point they were selling it at a loss because the production costs were around $825. in fact it was maybe 2 years afterwards till they eventually broke even.
Everyone knew it was too expensive. But they were still selling it at a loss. Why? High technology.
The bluray drive and cell processor along with all the other various memory card slots, hdmi ports, 4x USB, built in ps2 hardware set etc. (all of which 360 had none of) all ramped up cost. Eventually with the slim model a lot of the features were lost to decrease production cost. And features like backwards compatibility with it.
The ps3 was designed to be future proof. Which console today still pushes graphical boundaries? 360 or ps3? When people talk about graphics, is it ps3 games they always mention or is it 360 games?
I think that answers your question on whether 360 and ps3 are the same.
One is still relevant and pushing the bar and is still fresh. Because it has high technology. And the other has been flat lining for a while now. No one talks about 360's graphics.
So I agree that the ps3 was too expensive. But it wasn't over priced. Cos I bought it knowing it was going to last me a very long time and that it was going to stay fresh and relevant for a very long time.
What do you know. It has.
Sony always strives to have quality hardware, to have the best hardware. You're bashing Sony Sidar but Nintendo palmed off a repackaged gamecube on you. A gamecube with a waggle stick. And you paid full price for the privilege. Duped.
Considering the hardware aside from the tablet tech is about 7 years old, as well as the tablet itself being a glorified DS screen with buttons, I don't think it's gonna cost much to build these things. However, I hope Nintendo isn't arrogant like they were with the 3DS and sell it well above what its actually worth. That'd only go to show they haven't learned from their mistakes.
Anything above £250 is pushing it. Above £300 and it'll be a disaster, mark my words.
Which parts are 7 years old in the wiiU? the suspected radeon R700 which is rumoured to be in the wiiU is roughly 4 years old.
the rest is all new
love how people slate things when they hevent a clue realy
i think the price thing will be a thing of the past soon enough, when ps3 did it, it was to early to pull it off on a game system, but these days its far more common for 400 to 600 dollar items to sell millions and millions. While 399 might be a bit pricey for nintendos younger crowd I dont see 399 to 499 being a issue for ms or sony this time around.
599 might be pushing it but i doubt it will be a issue as much as it was 6 years ago
I wouldnt be surprised if we see a subscription based model for the next gen like ms is doing now, get the console for 199 or so then pay a higher fee for live and make it where it has to be connected to the net to work.
Everyone expected $249 for 3DS....it happened. Expect $299 WiiU please..lol. At $299, you won't find one this holiday or next. Reggie said they wanted to be able to sustain it's launch price for a long time like they did Wii. $299 sounds right. PS/xbox can't match $299 next gen at launch. Those two will sell around $399 to $499 at a loss.
Lol the 3DS was expected to be 249 with better tech. Developers where stating that the 3ds was a very capable device. Then when it released it was rather lackluster in the tech department. If the wii U is as powerful as believed to be it isn't going to cost $50 bucks more then the 3DS at launch. with supposedly 15x the ram, superior CPU, a wayyy better gpu and an HD tablet you've lost your freaking mind. This thing is going to cost more then the vita to produce and look how they had to price that so they would lose for everyone sold. Oh and if you don't know the 3g vita cost $159.10 to make. And to make a small profit they have to sell them at $299.
Sony always takes a loss on it's systems initially and they are tech monsters(the consoles), nintendo always sells their at a profit because they usually use older hardware.
$300 for the wii u, implys a repeat of the wii(semi-very underpowered) and many of us(ps3/360 gamers) are expecting a full transition to the next generation not a current gen or in between generation console.
If nintendo had shown a real next gen mario, metriod ect, people wouldn't be wondering is it a gamecube(full next gen console) or a wii(in between gen console).
If gameplay was all that truly mattered, we would still be using atari or nes level graphics, if you have better hardware might as well utilise it.
Did you really not notice all the hate and bad publicity sony got for its $599 launch price.
Did you really just compare the PS3 price point at time of release to the Wii/Wii U. Some of you fanboys are absolutely blind, clueless, sheep. Hence why you'll be the first in line to get reggie juice on your face. The PS3 was debuting cutting edge Blu Ray tech along with high end hardware. It was an expensive as hell system but they weren't cutting corners. The same can not be said about other systems.
That's going to be very interesting, I'm curious to see how they do it. Theyre In unfamiliar territory, now they'll have to put out a console that is as powerful as an xbox or ps3 and be profitable on day one.
Unfamiliar territory, are you serious bro?! Are you forgetting that Nintendo practically saved the home console market in the early 80's after Atari saturated and destroyed the near non existant market? Or how they fought off Sega's competition? Or how they dominate (and have done since forever) the handheld market....AGAINST MORE POWERFUL MACHINES!!!! Unfamiliar territory....pfft, whats interesting is how Sony and Microsoft are gonna copy the new tech that is about to come out...oh wait!!
We're in the 21st century just so you know. Secondly, all of the technology that Nintendo is using is already available to them lol. Sony will also have more powerful hardware so why would they need to copy it?
In todays Sunday Herald Sun (Australia) there is a preview of the Wii U. They are claiming the console will be $598 AUS along with $98 for an additional touchscreen controller and $78 for the pro controller. If true, then this will probably be around $400 or so in the U.S. considering the rip off prices we tend to pay on console hardware. At this price I think it would struggle here.
I don't think this is right, however. I am thinking about $300 to $350 (U.S.) will be the launch price.
Why would anyone buy a Wii U? This says it will either be expensive or too low tech. Might as well wait for the PS4 or Xbox whatever. Those consoles will be much more powerful. Nintendo is making a mistake on the Wii U.
Being more or less powerful isn't the main point for everyone though. I know the next systems from Micrsoft and Sony will be more powerful, yet that has no bearing on my decision to purchase the WiiU. Its not like I have to pick just one anyway, which is how most people seem to think for some reason. Whats holding gamers back from purchasing multiple systems? Well, besides money.
I'm interested in playing games using that tablet controller and Nintendo always has really fun 1st party games.
When will you people learn that power does not equal success! This has been proven the last 25+ years starting with the Gameboy vs the Gamegear... Did the powerful PSP destroy the DS? No... Out of the Gamecube, Xbox and PS2 (the least powerful system of that generation) who won that race in the end? The PS2. It is all about the games.
I also recall this same garbage talk about the 3DS and the Vita... "Oh the Vita will destroy the 3DS when it launches because its more powerful"...
That's not entirely true though i can understand where you coming from.
The truth is the ps2 was more powerful and cost more than the Sega dreamcast which by the way launched a whole with year before the ps2. And despite the fact it took the ps2 to get some games, it still manage to come out on top.
Also the psp did outsell the DS in its inception, however piracy became rampant and Sony themselves mismanage psp's support due to ps3s inpending arrival. They were stuck and when it came down to it, they had their focus set on the ps3. Almost dropping psp support entirely.
As for the vita, lets face it had it arrived date and date with 3DS to market with the lineup they had? Things wouldnt be the same, the fact that Nintendo had a whole year to themselves to make mistakes and address them. Simply meant the vita wouldn't stand much of chance to convince people really.
Yeah, sure its about the games no doubt, but people often ignore the little details and pretend they dont matter.
Super nintendo games always looked and sound better than genesis games, i guess that meant it was in some ways a more powerful system than the sega genesis. Yet, it was crown king of that gen.
So...again this theory about powerful hardware not finding success is weak in the face of detail. Nintendo is smart for releasing their next gen system this year, it gives them time and leverage to adjust and grab more market.
The wii sales have dwindle since 09, the thing is mainly selling now due to its ridiculously low price one skue approach moms find attractive. Vita is a preview of wiiu, and what i mean by that is..You are going to see a bunch of ports of old ps360 games with minor changes mixed in there with some exclusives like another mario kart, mario party 12 or something along the lines. Not saying it wont and it cant be successful, just saying what is likely to be wiiu's first few years on the market.
Umm. Because its games happens to be a lot more interesting to play whose experience cannot be duplicated anywhere else? Better question. Why would anyone want a PS4 or XBox 720 being that 85-90% of their library's most likely gonna be identical to each other just like PS3 and XBox 360 presently are?
<Might as well wait for the PS4 or Xbox whatever. Those consoles will be much more powerful.>
That's what they all said about the Genesis, the Saturn, the Jaguar and the XBox in their heydays. How come none of them won the console race and also went on to be money-losers for their makers?
"Umm. Because its games happens to be a lot more interesting to play whose experience cannot be duplicated anywhere else? Better question. Why would anyone want a PS4 or XBox 720 being that 85-90% of their library's most likely gonna be identical to each other just like PS3 and XBox 360 presently are?"
Sony comes out with new IP every couple of months. When was the last time Nintendo came out with new IP other than their typical first parties?
Yes, unfamiliar territory. Unlike the wii that was inexpensive and innovating, the wii u is expected to perform as well if not better than the competition. And in order for it to be competitive it will have to be comparably priced. This is an different time, gaming has gone main stream and is a multi billion dollar industry. Everyone has to cater to the casual market, specs alone aren't enough to lure the same wii crowd. The casual crowd will be wooed by price and not by specs and games alone.
ok i was gonna se how crap is was but its not that bad, still a bit big but hell not that bad at all. soo odds are this hater, might stop the hate and pick up a wiiU but first gotta see more games. lol
in other words..... it will not be that powerful... I guess that is OK, but I kindov felt ripped when sony and ms were offering somewhat HD consoles when Ninendo was still stuck in the 480p era
Nintendo can't sell it at a loss- but I hope that they put an extra $25 dollars into each unit. It's best to get the console as close to right as possible so that they can stay in the race.
->2012 WiiU (2 years on top)
2014 PS4 and 720
->2017 is probably the when the WiiUS will drop. (5 years on top)
->2022 the WiiUSE will drop. (2 years on top)
2024 PS5 and 1440
The Wii U will drop after two years once the other next-gen consoles come out. Why? Because it will lose almost all of it's third party support because it can't run the next generation engines.
The Wii U might not even come out on top in the beginning for various reasons. I doubt it will even come out this year to be honest. Why else would Nintendo be holding out on information for so long? That gives the Wii U about one year on top, if they can provide a decent launch line up which they clearly DON'T have.
A It may drop but not at a loss. In two years the tech of the WiiU will cost less.
B We still don't know the power of the WiiU but even with 2 years of "easy" ports (see WiiU articles) and 3 years of mostly Nintendo support & maybe the Casual (Nintendoland + Miiverse) Nintendo will be fine- just like with the Wii (no/know U).
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A I am fairly certain WiiU will launch this holiday because they must; due to the state of their stocks.
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A Mostly All hands-on previews with the "indecent" titles that you've dismiss have been Positive to Glowing.
B AC3, ZombiU, Darksiders, Tekken, Madden, Aliens do not look like sucky games- unless you don't like them on the 360 or PS3 as well. And they ONLY showed the games for the 1st 4 months (launch window).
(I haven't played ME3 and Batman:AC:(AE) has been previewed as reworked and worth replay.)
>So, I think that the only reason that Nintendo MAY fail is not due to merit but due to the misinformation and strong assumptions of "the Core".
BUT I may be assuming ;) Nothing matters 'til I hold a WiiU Gamepad in my hands-
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$349.99 at least confirmed. Stupid move considering there will be $199 PS3s and 360s on the market with an accumulation of six years worth of games to choose from. It's gunna be another 3DS scenario. They'll release at $400 to see whose crazy enough to buy it at that price(basically get money from the hardcore Ninty fans first)...then when sales quickly dwindle, they'll drop it to $250 to make people THINK they are getting a great deal since they're saving 150 bux.
349.99, huh? Nice! Do you have any inside info? How do you know the hardware is so expensive?
From the console itself, the controller to the games...they all look cheap imo. If anyone is to take a loss for every console sold, it will be the gamers who buy such cheaply made console!
#1 nintendo wants the casual and the core so £300 + is a no go. Ninty know wii was a success in part bcuz of the sub £300 price!!
#2 the actual tech is old and more importantly cheap tech. Also the gamepad screen isnt the best so thats quite cheap.
#3 ninty learnt a valuable lesson with the 3ds launch price. They wont make that mistake again.
So expect a price of £279.99 in the uk at the most!
They went over budget, almost completely killing the entire department.
They couldn't take the risk to sell it at a high price.
"Being much more advanced then 360 "
Yeah is that why they both, 360 and PS3, struggle at sub 720p?
Seriously, get your head out of where it is.
the PS3 has a bluray drive
Costs go up. Tada.
Sony shouldn't have released it at $600 but even at that price point they were selling it at a loss because the production costs were around $825. in fact it was maybe 2 years afterwards till they eventually broke even.
Everyone knew it was too expensive. But they were still selling it at a loss. Why? High technology.
The bluray drive and cell processor along with all the other various memory card slots, hdmi ports, 4x USB, built in ps2 hardware set etc. (all of which 360 had none of) all ramped up cost. Eventually with the slim model a lot of the features were lost to decrease production cost. And features like backwards compatibility with it.
The ps3 was designed to be future proof. Which console today still pushes graphical boundaries? 360 or ps3? When people talk about graphics, is it ps3 games they always mention or is it 360 games?
I think that answers your question on whether 360 and ps3 are the same.
One is still relevant and pushing the bar and is still fresh. Because it has high technology. And the other has been flat lining for a while now. No one talks about 360's graphics.
So I agree that the ps3 was too expensive. But it wasn't over priced. Cos I bought it knowing it was going to last me a very long time and that it was going to stay fresh and relevant for a very long time.
What do you know. It has.
Sony always strives to have quality hardware, to have the best hardware. You're bashing Sony Sidar but Nintendo palmed off a repackaged gamecube on you. A gamecube with a waggle stick. And you paid full price for the privilege. Duped.
Anything above £250 is pushing it. Above £300 and it'll be a disaster, mark my words.
the rest is all new
love how people slate things when they hevent a clue realy
http://www-03.ibm.com/press
i'll wait six months for it's price drop if you know what i mean *wink*
Nah, I'm joking, lol...
599 might be pushing it but i doubt it will be a issue as much as it was 6 years ago
I wouldnt be surprised if we see a subscription based model for the next gen like ms is doing now, get the console for 199 or so then pay a higher fee for live and make it where it has to be connected to the net to work.
I could be totally wrong...
Look at Resident Evil Revelations. That game is actually running on a modified RE5 engine.
I'm sticking with my $349 prediction.
$300 for the wii u, implys a repeat of the wii(semi-very underpowered) and many of us(ps3/360 gamers) are expecting a full transition to the next generation not a current gen or in between generation console.
If nintendo had shown a real next gen mario, metriod ect, people wouldn't be wondering is it a gamecube(full next gen console) or a wii(in between gen console).
If gameplay was all that truly mattered, we would still be using atari or nes level graphics, if you have better hardware might as well utilise it.
Did you really not notice all the hate and bad publicity sony got for its $599 launch price.
Did you really just compare the PS3 price point at time of release to the Wii/Wii U. Some of you fanboys are absolutely blind, clueless, sheep. Hence why you'll be the first in line to get reggie juice on your face. The PS3 was debuting cutting edge Blu Ray tech along with high end hardware. It was an expensive as hell system but they weren't cutting corners. The same can not be said about other systems.
Are you forgetting that Nintendo practically saved the home console market in the early 80's after Atari saturated and destroyed the near non existant market? Or how they fought off Sega's competition? Or how they dominate (and have done since forever) the handheld market....AGAINST MORE POWERFUL MACHINES!!!!
Unfamiliar territory....pfft, whats interesting is how Sony and Microsoft are gonna copy the new tech that is about to come out...oh wait!!
I don't think this is right, however. I am thinking about $300 to $350 (U.S.) will be the launch price.
I'm interested in playing games using that tablet controller and Nintendo always has really fun 1st party games.
When will you people learn that power does not equal success! This has been proven the last 25+ years starting with the Gameboy vs the Gamegear... Did the powerful PSP destroy the DS? No... Out of the Gamecube, Xbox and PS2 (the least powerful system of that generation) who won that race in the end? The PS2. It is all about the games.
I also recall this same garbage talk about the 3DS and the Vita... "Oh the Vita will destroy the 3DS when it launches because its more powerful"...
It's all about the GAMES dagnabbit!
The truth is the ps2 was more powerful and cost more than the Sega dreamcast which by the way launched a whole with year before the ps2. And despite the fact it took the ps2 to get some games, it still manage to come out on top.
Also the psp did outsell the DS in its inception, however piracy became rampant and Sony themselves mismanage psp's support due to ps3s inpending arrival. They were stuck and when it came down to it, they had their focus set on the ps3. Almost dropping psp support entirely.
As for the vita, lets face it had it arrived date and date with 3DS to market with the lineup they had? Things wouldnt be the same, the fact that Nintendo had a whole year to themselves to make mistakes and address them. Simply meant the vita wouldn't stand much of chance to convince people really.
Yeah, sure its about the games no doubt, but people often ignore the little details and pretend they dont matter.
Super nintendo games always looked and sound better than genesis games, i guess that meant it was in some ways a more powerful system than the sega genesis. Yet, it was crown king of that gen.
So...again this theory about powerful hardware not finding success is weak in the face of detail. Nintendo is smart for releasing their next gen system this year, it gives them time and leverage to adjust and grab more market.
The wii sales have dwindle since 09, the thing is mainly selling now due to its ridiculously low price one skue approach moms find attractive. Vita is a preview of wiiu, and what i mean by that is..You are going to see a bunch of ports of old ps360 games with minor changes mixed in there with some exclusives like another mario kart, mario party 12 or something along the lines. Not saying it wont and it cant be successful, just saying what is likely to be wiiu's first few years on the market.
Umm. Because its games happens to be a lot more interesting to play whose experience cannot be duplicated anywhere else? Better question. Why would anyone want a PS4 or XBox 720 being that 85-90% of their library's most likely gonna be identical to each other just like PS3 and XBox 360 presently are?
<Might as well wait for the PS4 or Xbox whatever. Those consoles will be much more powerful.>
That's what they all said about the Genesis, the Saturn, the Jaguar and the XBox in their heydays. How come none of them won the console race and also went on to be money-losers for their makers?
Sony comes out with new IP every couple of months. When was the last time Nintendo came out with new IP other than their typical first parties?
->2012 WiiU (2 years on top)
2014 PS4 and 720
->2017 is probably the when the WiiUS will drop. (5 years on top)
->2022 the WiiUSE will drop. (2 years on top)
2024 PS5 and 1440
The Wii U might not even come out on top in the beginning for various reasons. I doubt it will even come out this year to be honest. Why else would Nintendo be holding out on information for so long?
That gives the Wii U about one year on top, if they can provide a decent launch line up which they clearly DON'T have.
A It may drop but not at a loss. In two years the tech of the WiiU will cost less.
B We still don't know the power of the WiiU but even with 2 years of "easy" ports (see WiiU articles) and 3 years of mostly Nintendo support & maybe the Casual (Nintendoland + Miiverse) Nintendo will be fine- just like with the Wii (no/know U).
Paragraph 2:
A I am fairly certain WiiU will launch this holiday because they must; due to the state of their stocks.
Paragraph 3:
A Mostly All hands-on previews with the "indecent" titles that you've dismiss have been Positive to Glowing.
B AC3, ZombiU, Darksiders, Tekken, Madden, Aliens do not look like sucky games- unless you don't like them on the 360 or PS3 as well. And they ONLY showed the games for the 1st 4 months (launch window).
(I haven't played ME3 and Batman:AC:(AE) has been previewed as reworked and worth replay.)
>So, I think that the only reason that Nintendo MAY fail is not due to merit but due to the misinformation and strong assumptions of "the Core".
BUT I may be assuming ;) Nothing matters 'til I hold a WiiU Gamepad in my hands-
-or Die Trying!