Microsoft's European Xbox 360 chief has shed a little more light on the platform holder's controversial decision to shut down its core-orientated on-console Inside Xbox video service.
"But to be clear, we've got more casual gaming experiences we want to bring - we've got music, we've got entertainment, we want to bring fitness and lifestyle to Xbox 360 like the stuff you saw with Nike, all of which is possible through Kinect. Those things allows us to realise our vision." What hardcore gamer will trust MS next gen?
Microsoft is clearly going with the strategy that early adopters are the core gamers. I see the Xbox 360 continuing to sell even after the Xbox 720 is released. Of course the Xbox 360 is setting itself up to sell well to families and casuals right now. We are very close to next generation. The core gamers aren't as dissatisfied as you probably think, your obviously a Sony fan. Maybe quit riding Microsoft and go play some of those exclusives your always going on about. At this point I'm day one for all the new hardware, just like the last generation. Each one offers something different and fun and that is what I care about. It would take something like download only games, no used games or DRM to keep me from buying into a next gen console. Hey, but if you think Microsoft is alone on the more casual trip lately, did you miss Sony's conference at E3? Wonderbook is obviously for casuals and kids. LBP Karting is also something aimed for a more casual audience, as is the PlayStation All Stars. Microsoft has just been more vocal about attracting everyone, while Sony has quietly been setting to going after them.
I think you're missing the point. The ratio of casual to core for Sony is like 70/30 in favour of core games, whereas it's around 80/20 in favour of casual games for Microsoft. As much as I love my Xbox because I find it more social than PS3 (Partly due to having more friends on Xbox) I'm increasingly disappointed year after year by the lack of decent core games on the 360. The last new venture was Alan Wake and that wasn't as impressive as I hoped it would be. I myself at this point would need more than just Halo 5 and 6 and Gears 4 to entice me into buying a next gen Xbox and I just can't see beyond Microsoft's onslaught of casual titles at the moment.
"The core gamers aren't as dissatisfied as you probably think, your obviously a Sony fan. Maybe quit riding Microsoft and go play some of those exclusives your always going on about. " I'm a core gamer and I'm dissatisfied with what Microsoft are doing. I used to be quite a big xbox fanboy and had complete faith in Microsoft, now I feel like a second class gamer if you will to the casual market that Microsoft are clearly obsessed with. Gaming is still great and while I can live without exclusives, it's the time of year where I'm reminded where Microsoft's priorities lay. As you said, it's the core gamers who are the early adopters of consoles.. as it stands, Microsoft have a long way to go before they can convince me to be an early adopter of their console... they'll need a bit more than Halo, Gears and Forza too.
i think it will be easier to see what microsofts ambitions will be next gen when we see the specs of their new console... some weak underpowered next gen wii would be an indicator. or a nice step up in power and performance would be another indicator. until we see, i think that we should drop the "What hardcore gamer will trust MS next gen? " rubbish
I'm a Sony fan and I make no apologies, but I am also a gamer with a lot of friends and family that are gamers with all the various systems. So far out of all the people I know that play their 360, only one is excited about all the Kinect games coming out for the 360. He is 8 years old. I don't blame 360 fans for being worried. Sony fans were freaked out by Move as well but it seems to have had less of an impact on the games Sony has offered since Move came out. No one, fanboy or not, can deny that MS has been a little lacking in their exclusives lately. The ones they have are strong titles that sell well so maybe they are just consolidating their strengths, but as far as things for the core gamer to be excited about, the momentum is simply not there like it was in the past.
@GoldenGamer Lets face it, third party games are dominating pretty much everything right now. Its easy to sit there and say that Microsoft needs to bring new games to the forefront, but where is the incentive if your Microsoft? You don't think they see exclusive after exclusive tank for Sony. Sony's best selling games are Call Of Duty. Third party games have basically surpassed most exclusives. There are obviously some exceptions, but 2011 was a perfect example of multiplatform games outdoing exclusive games in pretty much every case. Its the end of this console cycle, like it or not. Did anyone expect Microsoft to launch a new IP now? Or would it make more sense to kick off a new generation with that IP? I think the answer is obvious. Microsoft plain and simple does not have the studios to support the Xbox 360 and the Xbox 720 at the same time. We have heard Remedy, Epic, Crytek, Rare, Lionhead and lots of other first party MS studios are working on 720 games. Until then, there is so much third party content that there is plenty to keep us busy till then. Microsoft has also had probably the best year ever as far as XBLA is concerned, they are also doing some really core games in Gears and Halo. Halo is probably the most core game around and it has a huge following. People keep saying not to make these games, but when they sell 9,10, 11 million copies, it makes it hard for that argument to carry weight. I didn't know anyone who wasn't blown away by the Halo 4 demo at E3. I'm not even a huge Microsoft fan, I have an Xbox 360 and Kinect, but I also have a Wii, PS3, Move and a ton of retro stuff. The fact that an article on the closure of Inside Xbox brought out the trolls, I figure I'd come and say something. I mean the main problem with this site, is the obvious Sony leanings. Strongman is an obvious troll, he has 1 bubble and trashes MS at every chance, yet has 13 agrees (so far) and his post was an obvious troll attempt. Did anyone see that Microsoft article about them not wanting a Super Smash Brothers clone? It was FLOODED with trolls. @FlashXIII You cant please everyone I guess, I get that. I must say as an Xbox 360 owner since day one, I'm very satisfied. Of course there are some things I dislike about Microsoft and the Xbox 360, same with Sony and Nintendo. At the end of the day I feel like I've gotten my monies worth from my Xbox 360, I mean I own like 200 games for the system alone. Another 75 PS3 games and around 50 Wii games. So I'm not gonna complain.
i agree wit Chunky its not lik 3rd party games havent been doin the job & while they are it only makes sense 2 expand the market of ppl playing games & getting the system. i mean u can be core & still lik other forms of entertainment ex. the manga & crackle apps with the anime has been eating into alot of my game playing does that make me less core?...course in typin that do i really care under what class of dork i fall more under games, comics or anime?lol
IMO the reason PS3 fans are always talking about EXCLUSIVES are two fold; half of it being that they can't stop obsessing over Sony's every move (blind loyality). Then there's the fact that there's nothing else that they can bragg about...the Wii has the most consoles sold this gen, XBL is the better of the online services even if you do have to pay for it. Exclusives is all that they can call their own. The problem with their argument is, while constantly tauting these exclusives, they don't seem to be supporting them. Here are the top 10 games sold on the PS3 and how many they have sold to date. PS3 Top 10 1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - 11.89 2. Call of Duty: Black Ops - 11.35 3. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - 9.92 4. Grand Theft Auto IV- 9.13 5. Gran Turismo 5 - 7.60 6. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare - 6.11 7. FIFA Soccer 12 - 5.79 8. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 5.63 9. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves - 5.61 10. Battlefield 3 - 5.37 360 Top 10 1. Kinect Adventures! - 16.58 2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - 14.07 3. Call of Duty: Black Ops - 13.33 4. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - 12.78 5. Halo 3 - 11.52 6. Grand Theft Auto IV - 9.63 7. Halo: Reach - 9.01 8. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare - 8.64 9. Call of Duty: World at War - 6.73 10. Gears of War 2 - 6.49 Notice only one of thePS3 exclusives have hit the 6M mark and they rank 5, 8, and 9. While with the 360 their exclusives rank 1, 5, 7, and 10 and ALL have hit at least 6M. The point being PS3 owners say that Sony have triple the exclusives the 360 have but yet the 360 have more exclusives in their top 10 and those exclusives have sold 1.5 to 2 times more copies. I personally don't think exclusives are as important as they make them out to be and obviously they secretly feel the same way. The truth lies in the support of the fanbase. HC Gamer whine like babies, but perhaps that's because they are babies and they don't have real jobs yet to afford the games they so heavily covet. Just making a point here. It's mind boggling to find that GT5 is the ONLY PS3 exclusive that have reached 6M sold and GOW 3 hasn't hit 5M.
@oohWii Whilst I do not disagree about the amount games like Halo, Gears, Forza and Kinect Adventure sell, you have to remember something - these are the core franchises which people buy a 360 for. Lets look at the PS2 now: DMC,GT, GTA, MGS, FF, Twisted Metal, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Eyetoy, Singstar, Wipeout, Tekken, Buzz, Hack series, Shin Mikami Tensei series, Shadow Hearts, Socom, Yakuza and lots more. PS3: GT, Wipeout, LPB, Uncharted, Resistence, Killzone, Infamous, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk, Socom, Motorstorm, Buzz, Yakuza, Twisted Metal, Heavy Rain and more. My point is, if you have an option of more games and you cannot afford all of them, you will obviously only buy a some of them. However, if you only have 3/4 franchises or big games to choose from ,then the choice is not only easier, but you can probably afford to buy them all. Sony have always had a big variety of gamers and the sales reflect this I would say. At the end of the day, Sony gets their sales from a number of games which get released as supposed to just 1 or 2 in the year.
Maybe everything but the CORE! Which by definition mean central hub. Seriously lacking! Halo hash out dont count we something with some newness
As I said before, they cancelled Inside Xbox which was about games and they replaced it with games for babies and other garbage. Its sad that the 360 becomes less and less a gaming platform each passing month.
Most hardcore gamers, because I doubt casual gamers will go next gen when current gen is still being supported for casual gamers....
And why would MS build a nextgen console if they are mainly focusing on casual gamers?
Because even casual gamers get bored of the same thing after awhile.
If you are a casual gamer, the 360 is perfect for you. It has enough power to run all of the games that the casual market likes. Kinect and the 360 could continue for years to provide a low cost system for kids and casual gamers. You can make a hundred new experiences for them with the current hardware. The next generation will be for the HC fans. It will be powerful machines capable of pushing games to the next level.
Cod, madden, fifa, and just dance say hi
Just because they aren't bored now doesn't mean they won't get bored.
This is why I will get PS4 first, its more for the core gamer, not some Kinect crap from Microsoft. PS4 will also no doubt go with motion gaming too, but they will do it right and better. I guarantee it.
Sony guarantees hold little to no weight over the years.
I do agree ms need more exclusives I love my xbox, it does need some fresh new games. Get Rare to make some AAA games ms!
MS does need more IP's everyone knows that for a fact but to be fair to them this is their first true console generation and they've done surprisingly well against the juggernaught and winner of last gen: Sony. But if they're going to introduce a new IP it has to actually be good. No point making a game and having it flop :/. The problem then is if people like what they see in a new IP is it then still good enough to "outshine" competition and shift sales from other games to itself?
You do know ms has made dozens of new IPs but they dont end up ever selling well. Thats both sony, ms, and to a much larger extent nintendo opt for sequels.
Thing is as i sort of said, what use is a new IP if it doesnt profit or increase sales for the xbox? Its very hard to create then next big "thing" in gaming.
Well it could be the next big thing like the next halo, gears, cod. Wait a second, they're all shooters, forget what I said.
"Lewis went on to stress that Microsoft has every intention of continuing to serve core gamers, though didn't reveal exactly what kind of content will replace Inside Xbox. "
Im actually seeing mature statements for the first time in a long time on N4G! Lets be honest regardless who you align yourself with we can all agree that MS focus has changed. When the 360 came out it was great for core gamers there were genuine core games that you could only get on 360 and for the first 2/3 years I was satisfied with my 360 until Sony started picking up and I got into a good financial situation were I could finally upgrade my PC. MS really need to get a better ratio between casual and core, I wouldnt be surprised if more people jumped to Sony or PC next gen.
Changed or expanded? Idk seems like nowadays like there's excessive ammounts of games that get released every week. I personally cant keep up with them all, since I do alot of online gaming. So for me the fact that there isnt 25 games released every month isnt a big deal.
How more unsubtle could they be? Microsoft no longer gives a flying f*ck about gamers and games. They want the Nextbox to be a media hub first and formost, with a couple of casual games (COD included) to draw in the rest.
Of the games announced i'm looking forward to, there are a few of these and that suit me fine. Plenty of multi platform games as well. Truth is there are plenty of games to choose from on 360 exclusive or not. It helps that i'm a big fan of key franchises like Gears, Forza and Halo but there's plenty outside of that It's also worth mentioning that not every sony Fan is going to dig each and every one of the exclusives provided. I know a couple of PS3 owning fans that in no way have enjoyed the Infamous or Killzone franchise for example and similarly people that game on xbox don't maybe like Halo or Gears And we're fast becoming a minority anyway when you consider just how many more 'non gamers' do in fact do just that now. Lastly and to tie into this, a good share of 'hardcore' gamers are these days happier in fact playing a more casual experience- not all or for all of the time but it's definitely a shift from what it used to be. The bigger share these days is from a much less vocal part of this audience now and N4g doesn't represent this. People can whine as much as they want on here but we are a much smaller voice in all of this now
I believe they sold what they will to the hardcores this generation.. all that's left is to pull the moms, dads and children in..
The problem is that AAA games are getting too risky for developers. If you don't sell 2-3 millions and up, well you don't really make profit (hence you see a bunch of DLCs and other underhanded moves to recoup the cost). See how many studios closing down because they invest so much yet fail to do well. It becoming like an all in or nothing situation here with AAA games (also the reason why everyone is trying to go for CoD like games play etc....because there is a higher chance that consumer will buy them). Smaller games, arcade, or indie becoming more beneficial; and who to say that these games can't be aimed for hard core gamers. This isn't just MS alone. Sony also recently gear toward smaller games and indie games as well, and they even said recently that it is the key to PS console and handheld (PS Vita).
I didnt care too much about most of their videos but I did rather enjoy Sent U a Message.... I found their quirky humor fun and refreshing for an MS show.
Gaming is a fickle mistress...
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