Microsoft's Chris Lewis comments on Xbox 360's "first class" E3 line-up.
Oh really 50 mil GTA
Yeah, the minute you mention the GTA DLC they lose all their credibility
Hate all you want the truth is micro's strategy this Gen of getting more content from 3rd party devs on big name franchises whether timed or not has sent a message that 360 version more often then not is the one to get. 360 usually sells alot more software for multiplats and its pushing hardware numbers ahead in America/UK and pretty close to Sony worldwide, this approach of "targeting" games has worked out pretty well for them judging by the facts, not emotion, the ones who are butthurt are the ones loyal to the other console, so why should micro care about them crying anyway?
Not to mention the fact that they still tank their own platform because 0% proceeds go to them when you make a Windows game unless it comes with that draconian GFW DRM. It's only about greed, no one is that coy. Third parties love XBL because Microsoft pays them off. MS severely pissed off everyone who plays Skyrim on PC, you think that PC gamers want to fork over cash to pay for a shitty (no offense) 6-year old platform with a $50/yearly online fee when they have the goliath of gaming experiences at their fingertips? No, they don't. Surprised Microsoft doesn't do timed PC/360 exclusivity if it really wants to get Live off the ground--they might gain some PC gaming traction--but no. They could have cross platform play on almost every game that plays on Windows and 360... but no. Why? Because they think it wouldn't make them enough money. Until something can be proven profitable, Microsoft won't touch it with a ten foot pole. I'm not a Sony fanboy, I'm not a PC enthusiast, I'm not an Xbot. I'm just someone who understands that for the past two decades, Microsoft has been one of, if not the biggest epitome of greed in this country, and every time it opens it's mouth you hear how ignorant they think that you, the consumer, really are.
Perhaps it's not about cash for Microsoft, but it sure is about cash for the people who are getting paid for the Exclusive DLC.
If it's not about cash then why bother paying them then to release DLC first on xbox?
Microsoft: exclusive DLC isn't just about Xbox Live, third parties love cash. FIXED
Exactly. Let's see how much 3rd paties "love xbox live" when Microsoft stops paying for timed exclusives.
Everybody does exclusive DLC. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo... or do you guys think it's only Microsoft that pays for exclusive DLC, and companies offer exclusive DLC to Sony and Nintendo for free ? Don't tell me you are that naive. EDIT below... "Except this is not exclusive dlc but timed dlc, big big difference." So i guess Sony did't pay EA for BF3 DLC timed exclusive? Now be a man and apologise.
Except this is not exclusive dlc but timed dlc, big big difference.
The thing is... this article is discussing Microsoft. That is the topic. Something that Microsoft said. You are mentioning Harry Potter when we are are talking about The Lord of The Rings. Similarities? Sure. But that isn't the topic at hand. Now.... "be a man and apologize". (That was awfully rude of you, btw)
"Now.... "be a man and apologize". (That was awfully rude of you, btw) " You do realise that it was a joke ? Sarcasm ? If you took offence then: Now be a man and apologise. /s
We don't know. Most supposed paid DLC is never actually proven to be that. Or even then, if the console maker is who paid out. These deals when they occur, are done behind closed doors heavily defended under NDA agreements.
@fermcr: I will not disagree with that. But, there is definitely a larger push for it from Microsoft's side. Many people bring it up because they feel the money used to obtain those could go to making a new and unique IP for the console rather than obtaining 'timed' exclusivity.
Who cares if MS pays for DLC. If it gets more people to buy a copy of the title on their system it worked for them. It is the equivalent of playing with someones kids or having your own. If you have your own it will cost a lot of money. Food, school, babysitters, toys. A niece or nephew might cost you a few presents and meals, but it ain't the same. Getting any kind of advantage on a title that you know will sell is better than taking the risk of buying and supporting whole companies. If they make some major titles it's great. But any gamer knows that most companies don't make a lot of money. That's why so many have gone out of business. And while I do applaud Sony for introducing new things like Beyond. The facts are that people usually don't buy most new games. Or many of the exclusives they have put out.
Sony paid for free bf1943 for ps3 owners but ea had issues I guess, and gave ps3 players early dlc instead. Also bcbronco, it's gamers that think like you who are messing up the gaming industry. Sorry but sales are for shareholders. Games are for gamers and in my eyes sony is far bigger than microsoft in terms of games.
Actually raytraceme it's probably more likely guys like you. I just have enough sense to know that the companies have to be supported in order to survive. I'm not sure what world you and many others, live in where a company or person can just spend as much as they want and have no consequences. Company after company fails because they make games that don't sell and people like you demand more exclusives. And you're incapable of putting two and two together still. I understand that companies are taking a risk. That paying for exclusives or DLC that is a sure thing is smarter than building from scratch all of the time. You have to be selective to continue to be in business(may not apply to MS, but they aren't a charity). THQ wishes you would put money behind your post. Sony wishes you would buy more of those exclusives they put million into and hundreds of millions into acquiring the companies that make them. raytraceme I don't know how much you make. But try going on a spending spree for the rest of your life and see how long it takes for you to end up on the street. Or look at this list of 2009 revenue for the top 25 gaming companies. http://www.softwaretop100.o... Then add taxes, development cost, personnel, benefits and other things. Not a lot of profit for most of those companies. And then people like you think they should go on a spending spree. Sony show revenue of almost 2 billion but I know gaming didn't make much profit for all of that. So what do you think that means for the smaller companies. People like you are going to talk us into a handful of AAA titles year. We're practically there already. With a few small companies and a few large companies. And that's when the Bobby Koticks of the world will get their wish and start charging $80 for games. Do what you like. But I will be give companies time to make some money as they advance. I do, however, want new consoles every few years. From that standpoint, they need to push ahead as soon as possible.
"Do what you like. But I will be give companies time to make some money as they advance." Hear hear.
dirigiblebill too many live in a fantasy world where mommy and daddy do everything for them. They don't understand the concept of bills. They believe companies can keep making games, have few buy them and they will be able to do it forever. The reality of so many companies going out of business and the reasons for it seem to allude them. Said state of affairs.
So MS, for the next major AAA multi-platform game, if you can achieve to get exclusive DLC or even a timed DLC for the 360, WITHOUT paying extra, only then will I believe you, and then straight after, I will go hunting for leprechauns whilst I ride my unicorn.
It just feeds the trolls
Because as it turns out, feeding trolls is good for business. Gaming is not about games anymore, its about the psychological/emotional connection to a single console. They know this.... And like all things that can be exploited, it will be.
Where is the bubble for good psychological input
"Game journalism is not about reporting game news and communication anymore, its about getting attention through means of lies (via "insider sources"), exaggeration, and psychological warfare.....and pleasing big publishers with infinite praise and high scores, so that they receive content, early copies, and interviews instead of being blacklisted" Fixed. It's more about big business than fandom.
Call of Duty: Psychological Warfare?
yeah soo the dev's and publishers are choosing to potentially reduce sales by selling to a smaller customer base, or alienate some fans who take offence at exclusive dlc because they "like" XBL a service that is almost the same in terms of contenet as the psn yet one is free.... (exluding xgame chat/x home parties)
I smell an Olive Branch
As I've come to hear, a lot of devs say they love Sony as well... Obviously someone's lying lol!
These are the same people who said core gamers enjoyed their E3 show and thought it was really possitive Yeah ok MS ¬¬
Nobody loves MS unless they are getting paid.
Same could be said of you.
You'll be getting a check in the mail within the next 24hours.
I smelled what you did there
yeh coming from the same people who said sony were crazy for having a built in hard drive and HD gaming wasn't possible yeh
I remember that too. I also remember a few "other" people saying stuff about 4D gaming and games that ran 60fps @ 1080p. Guess everybody did a little mouth-running this gen.
yeh but as you'd agree (as if you have a functional brain you would) having a hard drive is pretty much mandatory this gen + HD is also pretty much mandatory, where as 60fps @ 1080p would be nice its not that important and in a way allot of games are "4d" the 4th dimention is time, how time affects gameplay a day/night system is a basic version that most games have these days, a more advanced version would be decay on surfaces, wallpaper etc as time progresses (as in scratches in surfaces, faded or torn wallpaper etc, they start of fine and in a game like assassins creed 3 which takes place over 30 years, if u kept the same wallapper etc it would look totally horrible by the end as it has aged 30 years so there would be allot of ware and tare), so 4d has been implemented just in a very basic sense. EDIT also isnt super star dust 1080p @ 60fps? if so that PROVES it can be done just developers haven't taken advantage of it like they haven't taken advantage of remote play
The fourth dimension is only occasionally considered as time, linked to the three dimensions of space. It iis more the position of particles in 3d space and how they are affected by time than the effect of time on their existence. Bearing in mind that the fourth dimension was assumed as time, then it had already been done. This point aside, day and night cycles were even apparent in nes games (castlevania to name one)... All companies try to wow the audience and trick them with lingo. You're both right, both ms and Sony have fallen foul to bad choices of words. OT... It might not be JUST about the cash... But I'm sure the cash plays the decisive role. X
Psssh, I played Haze in 4D. /sarcasm
why did they say this? If Bethesda or someone else said it then fine, but Microsoft saying it comes off as bs.
To be fair, it was microsoft Europe, which is basically the stepchild of the corporation. Their opinions shouldn't be taken seriously... As for exclusive content, i really don't mind it that much unless it's a drastic difference which it hardly ever is...what about games that release exclusive characters for each console, isn't that sort of the same thing?...i say if you have one console than be happy with what you get. The game isn't "crippled" in any way if you miss out on a certain level, character, or weapon.
Microsoft is trying to piss off PS3 players to point they switch over to Xbox. They are getting early DLC for all the games PS3 players love. It's more about "if you can't beat them, join them". I don't expect hardcore Sony fans to budge, but I'm pretty sure some will switch over. I remember the PS3 Black Ops forums where tons of fans switched over to Xbox during the outage.
Yea like i'm gonna switch over to a console just so i can get something early that everyone else will get later on *Rolls eyes*.
MS pissing of ps3 players wont make ps3 players switch to the 360. It would only make them despise MS even more and make them stay with Sony and their console if anything. Also, its not like the ps3 players wont get the content, they will just get it a little later. Thats hardly a reason to switch the the 360. Edit: Ken beat me to it LOL.
Yet sony is the one in trouble financially. Ms mut be doing something right to stay ahead. If sony don't change with the times they will be history then you can go play with your pcs or nintendos. Maybe this wonderbook will help them. Say what you want about MS as a company but they have enough success in just yearly profits to buy sony out as sonys value is horrid. I expected sony to come to e3 this year an just kiss everyones ass like they are great, whenevery other year they are arorgant and cocky. This has to do with the great Sony dying as a company an they really are trying anything right now and kissing ass is known to get on ahead so we shall see. It was almost sickining to watch that smooze host the sony conference. We love th gamer and always have. Yeah right its more like we want you too work several jobs so you can afford our basket of inflated lies we told you.
Honestly... I Think sony gets the better deal, because there dlc never comes to the 360. assassins creed 3 dlc is forever only on ps3. I honestly don't care about timed dlc, it comes to ps3 either way. we really don't lose anything.
@momthemeatloaf And yet MW3 sold a truckload on PS3 later that year anyway, already passed Black Ops lifetime. So in the end, no one actually left. They gained numbers post-outage. Forum ragers FTL. 'Early DLC for ALL the games PS3 players love' is reeeally stretching it too. You know PS3 gets exclusive Assassins Creed stuff from Ubisoft every year, and DeadSpace/SSX/NFS/BF stuff from EA, right? MS are only trying to finger flex for the casual "I only play one game a year and named my first born 'Respawn" crowd with this map pack pap. Everyone else will be playing AC3 in November. No one's impressed with COD Elite as is, the option to pay more money sooner isn't really a convincing argument.
When you REPLY to somebody you don't need to type "@theirname". It's pretty obvious who you are talking to. Lol
Sometimes not so obvious It's old school N4G etiquette to reply @name or @quote. I've seen plenty of confusion and arguments break out here over misdirected replies. Lol
If that sort of think makes you "switch over" then that is the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time. It makes you impatient, weak-willed and most significantly, anti-consumer. We should be boycotting practices such as this. The moment publishers take on money to alienate more than half of their consumer base (the people buying their games) the moment they lose my respect. I know it's not personal to these companies, but it is especially when it is consumer based. Timed exclusivity is a disgusting way of treating your consumers and is essentially preferential treatment based on corporate greed. And no Microsoft, publishers do this not because they like the intricacies of a gaming entertainment network, but because of how much a timed exclusive deal will get them. And you're more than happy to do it to bolster your portfolio of games as if timed exclusivity lasts forever. Actually make more core titles instead of buying them and making other gamers annoyed for nothing but corporate greed. I know Sony do this too, but never in ways in which their brand relies on it. Bethesda and Activision are as much to blame for taking these bribes. If I sound pissed off its because this tactic is anti-consumer but people don't recognise it so.
Makes sense, some DLC is similar to Live, charging for features that should be free.
So in order to get a DLC package few days/months earlier. I'm expected to dish out on a new console? You insane MS? Just who does their research? It's all about the money. MS are drunk to think people would believe that nonsense.
Screw XBL. I can't even look at messages players leave in Dark Souls without having Gold. What kind of crap is that?
Sure MS sure
You know what cracks me up... these comments. The majority of comments are acting as though MS said some derogatory comment about PSN and/or boasted why they are better.... but the reality is the question asked and answered was pretty straight forward business Q&A regarding exclusive deals and what MS was doing to secure them. The article however gets posted here with that title and it was 100% sure to set off a flame war. Why? Because the average N4G reader seems to have a fanboy mentality (there are exceptions, but there hard to find lately).
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Haven't MS already payed for tombraider dlc. Yet the game sold better on PS3 and ran and looked better. Amazing.
idk if this is bizz 101 but is sony paying anything?
Third parties love MONEY. That's the truth. I doubt they dumb enough to just "offer" it exclusive to XBL just for the Hell of it.
Oh really MS? Really? So where did that 50 mil go? To Mars or something. Everybody loves money. Okay. So it doesn't seem like they love XBL.
It is always about money. Buisness this is, not charity.
I hate when companies treat me like I'm a complete idiot, it makes me not want to support MS and just buy the game for Playstation.
sure hope that's not why I'm paying 60 a year to use xbl. id prefer the money be used for other things....
MS pays up, which gives them publicity and further system awareness. This is the thing, this sorta thing wouldn't matter to the average gamer if all they keep up with is game releases and avoid looking up stuff like this, big corporate talks about games and DLC scandals and what not. They'll buy the DLC once it becomes available to them. And not realize the content hit the other console first. To the average gamer, and consumer, this sorta thing doesn't matter.
Yeah,truth hurts. Gaming industry is well aware of that fact.
What a load of BS. If any other platform offered more these greedy companies would jump ship in an instance.