If you said back in 2005 that the Xbox 360 would be pushing more units than the most popular video game console of all time (PS2) did at a similar point in its life cycle most gamers would dismiss you as either misinformed or a lunatic.
Don't see what the big deal is. MS was #2 last gen and they are still #2 this gen. Nintendo and Sony switched places. Nintendo and Sony both have console gen wars championship belts around their waste, MS does not. Nintendo is a 3 time champ, Sony is a 2 time champ, and MS has never won that title. MS's fanboys knows this so they make up a new title by saying "Xbox is the #1 HD console". By saying "HD" they can exclude the Wii who is the true winner this gen. Instead MS's fanboys try to change and create titles and change words to make their God MS look like a champion. It used to be all about exclusives(remember when they said "PS3 has no games"?), and now they say exclusives don't matter but they desperately try to make MS have exclusives that came from the PC platform and coined the term "console exclusive". They said "I have a console to play games" when the PS3 released with media features and now they are all to happy to pay to use Youtube and Facebook on Xbox. When people complain about the lack of games on Xbox they post links to MS's financial reports as if we can put that in our console and play it. When the PS3 released and consistently sold more than Xbox each year they started to only count sales in America. Because MS can't support their own console with exclusive content like Sony and Nintendo they spend money on DLC to come to Xbox 30 days early and coined the phrase "timed exclusive".
The big deal is MS has became successful in a market no one expected them to last in....Give MS some credit for once there's no need to be all bitter....MS brought a real hardcore gaming experience with Halo/online for the first Xbox... [email protected] 360 might have slipped down with the core exclusives...I'm not gonna ignore what MS brought to the console market though with the original Xbox/early 360 years... Edit:again I was talking about the original Xbox when it launched it had the best online console gaming experience at that point and time....
Funny hearing how the 360 is harcdcore today with their Kinect push (main focus now). I think most journalists and analysts thought the 360 would be successful anyway after Sony revealed it's $599 price tag. Most thought the PS3 wouldn't sell and would end up getting discontinued, but it ended up selling 65 million consoles. Edit: @ above The thing that threw me was the "real" part, like other consoles that have come out in the past have never had hardcore gaming experiences.
MS essentially bought their way into this market with the release of the original xbox. Not taking the same steps as Sony did when they were once the new guy but still...they deserve credit for toughing it out. Some consider the early abandonment of the xbox as a sign of weakness. It was strategy. They knew that to be successful in this (no pun) game you have to be willing to take risks. The risk in dropping the xbox and going forward with 360 (so far) has paid off. No candy coating about this or that. They have surpassed their original numbers and from their point of view they are winners. Its one thing to outsell yourself but to outsell the competition is a whole other feeling. Both sony and nintendo and (to a lesser extent) Sega know what that feels like. It is just a sign of the times that you cant stay on top forever. People are wanting something different it seems with each passing gen. Traditionalism is not without its faults. If you stick to one brand then you get labeled a fanboy but if you play the field and pay no allegiance to anything other than gaming in general then you get labeled something else. MS has been fighting the good fight to be taken seriously. No doubt this gen they turned a quite a few more heads than they did last gen. My only concern is...will they have a better turnout next gen or will they end up like ALL the rest when it comes to their 3rd console release? For those that dont know, every major console mfg has had a greater success with their 2nd system than they have had with their 3rd. 3rd time isnt always the charm.
I am not one of those people who didn't expect them to fail. Microsoft Corp. has enough money to bully their way into the industry and they have. They had the Japanese in their pockets for awhile but the Japanese seemed to have wakened up to the fact that they can't sell if they exclude the PS3. especially if they want to put out an HD game in which a lot of PS3 owners bought a PS3 to get those superior JRPGs which are very few this gen... Also, I would argue that the PS2 was the best console experience period, even with Xbox Live and the custom soundtrack BS. The PS2 had too much of a library to justify me buying another console, so someone else bought it for me. :)
Funny MS bullied their way into gaming even though Sony and Nintendo did too. Master system was denied games due to nintendo and sony had a buy back policy that made more 3rd parties go to them. go look at mid 90s gamepro,egm, mags for proof
You have a serious case of First-World-Problems. These are machines designed to play games and media. It's not that serious.
"Nintendo and Sony both have console gen wars championship belts around their waste, MS does not. Nintendo is a 3 time champ, Sony is a 2 time champ, and MS has never won that title" Just goes to show how bad Sony is doing this gen compared to the last 2 gens. Oh and also, you say MS finished 2nd last gen and its the same this gen. No it isnt the same. Last gen they sold 25 million consoles, this gen they are almost at 70 million. Nice try though, I see you fooled your fellow men.
well said 9 (superloop). everything strongman said is true as well but you should still give credit where credit is due. ms entered a market dominated by two other companies for years, two companies who just got done putting down another company that tried to be successful as well ( sega ) to beat even one of the juggernauts in this market is impressive and holding the number 2 spot twice in a row means that they have stayed pretty consistent where the other two have faulted 1 out of the last 2 gens despite their years of experience. nintendo has been in the game since the 80's and are practically solely responsible for console gaming thriving today. they were beaten by ms 1 of the last two gens. sony has been in the game since 95ish and has had two wildly, almost unheard of successful consoles. and yet, they are being beaten currently ( barely, but still ) ms has been in the console game since 2001. to accomplish all they have is impressive. to redefine certain aspects of consoles ( online ) more or less making them standard is impressive. to go up against a company ( nintendo ) with established franchises more than a decade or two old is impressive. or another company with more third party support than both combined ( sony ) and still survive is impressive you can also knock them all you want but the ps3 wouldnt be anywhere near as great as it is without the xbox brand. they brought online to gaming, consistently push the multimedia features, unlike the other 2 will continue to work on their consoles faults through major updates ( sony does a few but they still havent had a major ui overhaul and the xmb sucks ) so while every negative thing strongman said is true, there are still plenty of positive ways to spin it as well which are also all true. and since ms is the one boasting about their product, why would they want to add in all those negatives??? that make about as much sense as you ( strongman ) mentioning all the positives when your clearly just a fanboy trying to paint the xbox brand in the worst light possible. each company has its ups and downs, and when they boast about the positives, let them have it. who cares.
Very well said. The constant pretense that Microsoft has somehow become the greatest console by warping the facts is annoying at best. Here are the facts. Microsoft is still number two and STILL hasn't dominated a generation like Nintendo and Sony have. They are still behind Nintendo and they are about to launch a new console before they could catch up with the Wii. The 360 hasn't sold as many systems as the PS2 has and is no where near to breaking the 150 million barrier the PS2 did and despite using every trick in the book the PS3, still the most expensive system, only trails by a few million units of the 360. And now with the next gen coming and Nintendo closer to their level and Sony learning their lesson they have an even harder fight next gen. So like I said many times before the really question is 'Whose b***h will Microsoft be next gen Nintendo's or Sony's'? So throw me all the disagrees you want but it's the truth.I am not going to pretend Microsoft did nothing to the gaming world but I also am not going to pretend that they have somehow dominated anything.Microsoft isn't the company that defines the gaming world and they are not on top like people seem to believe.Call me when they sell 150 million units and are heads high above Nintendo and Sony
I agree with you. Lets be honest had the 360 released at the same time as the PS3, the PS3 would be in the lead. Sony set the trend this gen with blu ray, and internet on the PS3 for surfing the web. If you want to really talk about a trend, the PS3 was the most expensive console on the market yet it continues to out sell the the 360. Nintendo set the trend with motion control. The only trend that M$ set was having the most unreliable console on the market, and watching other companies take chances on new tech. Then they swoop in and try to copy it.
Cry me a fucking river Strongman. The PS3 was supposed to crush the 360 this gen. But right now we are sitting at 63 million PS3's and 67 million 360's WW. 7 years later and the 360 still hasn't been overtaken. Everyone thought that since sony dominated with the PS2, they would dominate with the PS3. It didn't go that way. Microsoft has proven itself this gen. Like it or not.
1 year gap over PS3, and only +1 milion units. this is a fail.
I predicted 360 dead upon the arrival of PS3, no matter what that price was. PS3 was a certainty in most people's minds following the unstoppable might of the previous 2 generations that Sony had comfortably stomped the opposition to death. The truth is people thought Sony were going to do a repeat of what they'd done so comfortably before and they didn't- far from it in fact Considering rrod as well, MS has done remarkably well and their might now in America is an enviable position. I backed MS last gen but i had no faith to be honest 360 would make any impact so it's rather shocking it's doing so well Nobody could have predicted how much pie Sony would lose this gen and on top of this, Japan isn't taken quite as seriously anymore by gamers and that's a bigger deal that people think concerning Sony. No matter how you look at this, MS has done superbly well and Sony rather less so this gen Personally i'd rather there was just the one format and so it's nice how things have become more even
do you have a 360 now that it has done better than you expected? That seems to be a trend like many gens before it. Dedicated gamers may start off with one platform but at some point during the gen they end up getting the others as well. Nothing wrong with playing the field except it gets a bit more costly with so many choices.
I got mine at launch. Luckily i tend to be picky and play only a few games through the year. i don't spend much for those reasons and i'm happy with just my 360. It is certainly costly though yes if you're heavily into keeping up with it all on each format. One format would be nice
People can argue all day long, it really has no effect. I think the Playstation right now is the better system, there, I said it. That doesn't matter because most of these lunatics here on N4G that bicker back and forth are nobodies and are actually just the minority out there with loud voices. We need competition, we don't need one company dominating. Sony decided to price the Playstation 3 up to $600. That wasn't Microsofts fault or Nintendos. One thing I will give major props to Microsoft is making Sony more accountable. Now consumers have a much better choice this gen and will going into next gen. I like having choices but it's clear on N4G who they continue to root for. Problem is, who's listening?
Bah....don't much matter really. Xbox720 won't be all digital....so they only have one choice. They won't dare try to fight the blu-ray conglomerate again. So every sale they make will be some kickback to Sony. Irony's not just a Bit$h she's horny and will screw you too. (you know....like how MS owes 4.1billion to google and is banned from selling two skus of 360 in the states)
I give Microsoft the biggest props and without then Sony would of raped consumers with less competition. Microsoft is in second place and will likely stay that way. To each their own I guess, like what you like. At the end of the day Microsoft is a better ran company with products that reach more people.
By making the 360 so cheap, it makes people buy 2-3.
I dont coment casual business.. I like to see vídeo games industry as it was once.. Tough games for hardcore players... Now the focus is totally shifted.. It makes me sad seeing people praising the casual easy money take over on gaming.. They just don't realise they are putting one more nail in the games industry as we know it... Sad, so sad...
Unfortunately it's past the point of no return. The stakes are too high especially now for console-manufacturers, developers and publishers to cater to what has always been more or less a fringe crowd.
From a business standpoint, MS is stomping the competition. Twist and turn it all you want, the 360 is a MAJOR success. The key point to consider here is the lead-in to this generation, who had momentum and who didn't. By no means is the PS3 a failure, but everyone assumed it would preform better given the PS2's success. The Xbox however seemed doomed from the start, so its astonishing how far the 360 has managed to push MS ahead, even if it cant technically be considered as "#1".
i give props to ms for achiving what they have this gen but the premature death of the xbox left a sour taste in my mouth. now with theyre shift to the casual market i wont be getting the 360 anytime soon. still have and love the first one with 20 +games on it.
@digitalmethod You like many on this site seem to be confused of the forum your in. Why do people mumble on about sales? Go to financial post and yap about sales. Gaming sites/news should be about gaming. Or games. MS is currently a failure by those standards. The standard all gamers should hold dear. Exclusives define a console. So perhaps master chief is the best analogy for MS. A single brilliant spec in the universe...not enough for me. But I'm not faulting MS gamers....they certainly have more money than me. My money goes to exclusives. And occasional third party.
All I'll say is it's cost M$ to get to where they are with the Xb brand.
"The big deal is MS has became successful in a market no one expected them to last in...." Sorry, but i find comments like this hilarious. Microsoft, arguebly the most well known company in the world, who have donimated PC operating systems and other software for decades, who has more money than Nintendo and Sony combined and probably pumped more money into 'raising its profile' since they entered the gaming market than the other console companies, and people really would think that they wouldn't have lasted??? I've said it quite alot across numerous sites, i actually expected Microsoft to be doing far better than how they have been doing thus far, both with the original xbox and the Xbox 360. Thats not to say they've failed, far from it actually, just expected a company that big, and with its kind of pulling power and finance behind it, to be doing better.
I know. It's a console with a disastrous failure rate, paid online service, and no games. It's a cheap, unreliable ripoff with tons of advertising, and Americans are all over it. Makes sense.
It'll be interesting to see if MS can keep up the momentum nextgen.
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