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Submitted by ChronoJoe 839d ago | article

Playstation Vita: Struggling to find an Identity

From the article:

"Whilst Nintendo's platforms 'soul' comes quite naturally. Sony have never really managed to establish their identity in the portable market. Thankfully developers like Capcom managed to do so for them with impressive, exclusive titles like Monster Hunter, but with Monster Hunter now on the 3DS this leaves Sony to shape the identity of their own console, unfortunately it doesn't seem like their own launch lineup is liable to cut it." (Gravity Rush, PS Vita, Sony Computer Entertainment)

Titanz  +   840d ago
Wrong link to the article
-On Topic-
Catering to a specific group, isn't always the answer. Why do you believe the Wii was so successful? It never stood a chance against the PS3 and Xbox 360, fighting over the traditional based gamer crowd. Instead, Nintendo reached out to a new demographic of gamers, all-the-while retaining to their usually consumer base.

Bottom line: The Vita needs more than its "core" premise it's built on. Sure, they have facebook and other social apps, but is it enough to steer people away from their smart phones, androids, and tablets? In the 3DS's case, price is certainly a factor why it's recovered, thus far, and its software (3DS) is the reason why people are committed to the purchase, of said device.

I actually put some thought into this post, and I would definitely respect your response in my inquiry of Sony's Vita device.
Snookies12  +   840d ago
I definitely agree with most of what you said. Though you also have to take into account with the 3DS that more parents are going to buy their kids one because they equate Nintendo with Mario and other family friendly type games. The main problem with the Vita isn't the fact it's 250-300 dollars, it's the overpriced memory cards that kill it for people. I mean sure there are the 4-8 gig options, but that REALLY gets you nowhere. I found that out quick after buying an 8 GB card initially.

Either way, the Vita will gain traction once it gets some more great games announced. The games on it now aren't for everyone, and I respect that. Just give it some time, because it's a beast of a machine and Sony did a LOT right with it over its predecessor the PSP.
MaxXAttaxX  +   839d ago
Yeah.... no
Internal memory would mean higher price which means more bitching.
Just look at the PSP-Go with internal memory costing almost $100 more than a normal PSP.
I do agree that they did a lot more right with the Vita than they did with the PSP.
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[ON TOPIC]

Struggling to find an identity? How so? Because it doesn't have a specific gimmick like a 3D effect?
But that's the thing. The PS Vita has quite a lot of features and it's capable of playing virtually ANY type and variety of games you can throw at it.
You can't just pigeon-hold a system so versatile.
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Snookies12  +   839d ago
@NathanExplosion - I didn't say they should do internal memory lol, I'm saying they need to lower the prices on the cards to something more reasonable...
ChronoJoe  +   839d ago
Sorry. I fixed the link, next time use the report thing on the right hand side :) It sends out a notification and lets authors address issues immediately.
miyamoto  +   839d ago
Yo Joe! Were you born yesterday?
"Sony have never really managed to establish their identity in the portable market."
"fresh IPs like Kid Iccarus"

Establish their identity my arse!

And they are paying you to write this?

Are you kidding or is your new site desperate for hits & clicks?

Its too obvious.

The PlayStation brand, like Nintendo, is a name synonymous to gaming even today.
Go ask Barack Obama.

In Japan the PSP is the King of RPGs!
That is why the 3DS is marketed & geared to go after the PSP's market, huh MonHun?

In Asia, my homeland, it is cool for every kid carry a modified PSP! Its also a fashion statement.

If handhelds were guns there, the PSP is a man's gun & the DS/3DS is a sissy's gun.

Here in NA every house hold I know that has a DS also has an obligatory PSP to stop the jealousy.

Get out of your cave, man!
Wipe the fanboyism off your eyes & see clearly.

Nintendo has firmly established their gaming devices with a kiddie friendly identity that mom & dad can totally rely on.

In fact Nintendo is always at the gates of the gaming industry eagerly awaiting the next batch of babies that would play with a new rehash of Mario, Kirby & Pokemon.

Sony on the other hand, since 1994, has completely gone up the opposite direction to make games for the 19 & up who likes fear & blood, your big brother who likes destruction & explosions & your dad who likes Heavy Rain.

I can see that this is the part you failed to understand.

The kiddie mass market that Nintendo targets will always outnumber Sony's older gamer market and sales figures prove that.

You gotta accept that this is how Sony & Nintendo has rolled through the years whether you like it or not.

But now since both are threatened by a new gaming beasts like smart phones & tablet, that is about to cahnge.

Sony & Nintendo must try to eat up on each others territories.

Nintendo going after PSP & PS3 market with 3DS & Wii U.

And Sony going after Nintendo's younger market with PS Move & PS Vita, hence the move from PSP@ moniker.

Do yourself a favor & better fix your identity as a writer, Joe.
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Chitown71291  +   839d ago
Yea Im with Snookies12. Imo this really should've had some type of internal memory in it. Im pretty sure it will come with the revision of it. But the Vita is a beast! They should really focus on the interactivity between it and the PS3 . That way they could help each other sell, kinda of the way how Apple's products "talks" to each other.
MrMister  +   839d ago
Vita's only been out since February or late January. It's not even half a year old yet. When I was that young, I didn't even know I was alive. You got to give it time to get its stuff together. So far, it looks fine to me.
Chitown71291  +   839d ago
"I didn't even know I was alive" LMAO!! Classic
joeorc  +   839d ago
you and many other's are just not getting it!
Its like you guy's are still stuck in that Time LOOP!

Why do you think Sony is putting more investment into the entire mobile market as a whole, and not just only in their Game Handheld's?

If you are saying Smartphones and Tablets are a problem for Sony they are also a problem for Nintendo. and right now they are more of a problem for Nintendo and here is why.

For many people that still do not get it.
Its pretty freaking Simple. Its by the number's. It takes how long for a game console manuf. to reach 100+ million consumer install base? like what over 7 year's right?

well smartphones are reaching that in a much shorter time, Even Sony already has over 22 million Xperia line of smartphones in the market with 8.6 million more shipping /Sales Quarter and they are shipping more per Quarter than they were 7 months ago, with a 80% sale through rate.

Once again that is over 8 million unit's per Quarter. the Playstation Suite run's on every freaking one of those Handset's. the key is to sell Software right?

well got news for people the dedicated Hand held game's software sales are in the minority not the majority.

Sony understands this. Sony is not just relying on the d@mn PSVita as their only Game centric handheld, once again there is a reason for this. the PSVita is using Arm core CPU/and Power VR GPU the very same chip's that Apple uses and pretty much many of the other smartphone maker's. or the very same Arm Core SOC's from QUALCOMM Snapdragon line etc. that are in 97% of smartphone's and Tablet's use.

the Playstation Suite is not UNLIKE THE XNA development platform as a matter of fact it uses C# as part of it's core. WWhy do you think Sony did that?

When are some of these people going to get it, the support is there already for a freaking device that has not even been on the market for even half a year. and yet you get the same talking point's about how the PSVita need's a boost to make sure it can survive.

Here's something, it already Sold over 2 million+ unit's..but..but..it's not enough, yet already the PSVita is and keep's getting support. More App's and More Game's.

the only system;as another option other dedicated Handheld game system offered by another company other than Nintendo is Sony.

So what that is its one of two thing's it would be Nintendo in 1st place and Sony in 2nd place or vice versa. if you want to add in smartphones or tablet's oh we can but that would place even Nintendo no longer in 1st place also. you cannot have it both way's add in smartphones in your argument it does notr only effect the market share standing of just Sony.

but that's how it seem's people are running it with this talking point, that is frankly Moot.

Lmao
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ChronoJoe  +   839d ago
Sony make most of their money by selling other peoples software on their hardware. Not their own.

Running on third party platforms makes this impossible. They are trying to get other games to enter into the 'Playstation suite' but in the end are going to end up settling for a very small portion of market share on android / iphone with this.

Also this isn't helped by their gaming orientated mobile devices (phones) being pretty crappy pieces of hardware relative to their competitors. Even the Xperia play, which was allegedly the epitome of mobile gaming is a pretty pathetic device, the hardware-controls just make it a viable purchase for some more dedicated consumers.

Shame they don't just sell a model Vita with phone functionality. I'd be happy to ditch most of androids apps in place of some quality games that the PS Vita's library is sure to provide (assuming that if it did become a phone it would be running Vita OS rather than android).
Tired  +   840d ago
'Whilst Nintendo's platforms Soul comes quite naturally...'

Yup that's me done reading.

Seriously you've gotten to the point of incorporeal personification for a sodding gameboy!?
That there is fanaticism to the Nth degree. I'm guessing the rest of the article is equally full of crazy.
ChronoJoe  +   839d ago
The term soul was used in reference to an recent interview where the Vita was accused of being soulless.

Basically I wrote this article, but it wasn't me who coined that term in that context. If you have a problem with it, take it up with CVG.
Tired  +   839d ago
But my problem is with your terrible journalism not anything CVG has said. To say something is 'soulless' means one thing. The opposite of soulless does not give the object soul or A soul.

CVG: 'Oh and we don't agree that the Vita is soulless, it's a brilliant little device with a bright future ahead of it.' See you can say that you don't agree it's soulless, or you could agree and say you think it is. But you can't say you think the comparative device actually has a soul. That would be sodding nonsense. It would be...'incorporeal personification for a sodding gameboy.' An electronic device cannot be soulful, cannot have soul (terrible English)or in fact a soul. It can however be soulless, meaning it is lacking something.

You have clearly misunderstood a basic ecumenical premise. This in itself is forgiveable had it been made clear that you were in fact reacting to a previous statement (albeit in the wrong fashion). But you make the statement bold as brass, before you even get to the article proper. It's your opening salvo on the n4g page, the crazy is there plain as day.

You say it wasn't you who coined the term in context, fine, but your the one taking the information out of context...misunderstanding the meaning and perpetuating misinformation.

Does your site not have an editor? Do these things not get proof read?
Leucitanious  +   839d ago
'hawkboi' discussing english and semantics, that's a laugh

obviously by soul he just meant character, guess someone on the internets got to get all anal over it though lol!

1 less bubble for you bro, down to 1 soon.
ChronoJoe  +   839d ago
Sorry if I anthropomorphized a video game. Of course I don't believe video games themselves have souls, I just used the term which I felt made sense in context.

Sorry if you do not, in future perhaps try to avoid being rude about it, then again looking over your post history I can see that's unlikely to be possible.
ChronoJoe  +   839d ago
*video game system :)
hardandsloppy  +   839d ago
Struggling to find some hits ;)
Xof  +   839d ago
Sony consoles simply do not have an identity. Microsoft is Master Chief. Nintendo is Mario. And every Sony console is a strong and diverse line-up of quality titles from a diverse and numerous base of third-party developers.

This is Sony's strength, and not something they need to fix. Yeah, one big game may have turned things around for the 3DS, but for the Vita, it's not going to be any one game. It's going to be a whole lot of 'em. Disgaea. Gravity Crush. Final Fantasy. Uncharted. Persona. Hell, even Project Diva and artdinks latest mech game go a long way toward "proving" the Vita.

Unlike Microsoft and unlike Nintendo, Sony has yet to actually "fail" with a gaming console, so I think it's really only natural to give them the benefit of the doubt, even if they do make really stupid decisions from time to time.
morganfell  +   839d ago
Bubbles for insightful remarks.

EDIT:

@kingdavid, so one spelling error removes the truth of his comments? Sorry, but I have to disagree. It's one letter, known in Japan as Gravity Daze. The addition of the letter 'C' to Gravity Rush hardly invalidates the facts behind his statements.
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kingdavid  +   839d ago
I would normally as well but he called the game "Gravity Crush"
JokesOnYou  +   839d ago
@ Xof
I agree with everything except Sony not failing with a gaming console, maybe not a home console but the PSP Go was a pretty big failure for Sony in the portable market, and this is about Sony's latest portable correct?....so just using your own logic, no they shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt.

That said I think the Vita will do fine selling to most of the same fanbase of the PSP...but as I said before in today's market dedicated game portables like it or not are not in demand outside of the hardcore fanbase and will continue to face strong competition from cell phones because many casuals are fine with short mini-games like Angry Birds on their portable device which has the most important feature they need= cellular communication. Most dont want to carry both. The 3Ds caters to a younger audience many of which either dont have a cell bill(mommy or daddy pays for it) or dont have the latest smartphone so cell phone market doesn't really impact it as much as with the Vita.
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BitbyDeath  +   839d ago
Probably depends on how you look at it.
Obviously the PSPGO did GO down like a lead balloon but then again it is of the PSP series and can therefore could be classed as one of Sonys "stupid decision" rather than a complete failure as the PSP itself did pretty darn well overall.

The product itself was likely a test to see how the market would react to an online only device and therefore see if said function would be suitable for their nextgen device. (Orbis)
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JokesOnYou  +   839d ago
Agreed Bity,
Still it was a seperate launch of a redesigned portable, which failed miserably AND it was their last effort in the portable market, which you yourself acknowledge was a "bad decision", therefore my point stands that Sony certainly has left room for doubt based on their last effort, contrary to Xof's statement, specially given the current market competition from smartphones.

Now again saying all that, I believe Vita will do fine maybe close to PSP lifetime sales in the end based on psp hardcore fanbase, but really dont expect much more, portable market is in decline, I doubt it will ever have sales on par with 3Ds for the long term.
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MaxXAttaxX  +   839d ago
It's still a PSP. Same gen. Same games and capabilities. Different design.
IHateYouFanboys  +   839d ago
"Unlike Microsoft and unlike Nintendo, Sony has yet to actually "fail" with a gaming console"

despite what you might think, the original xbox didnt fail. it did exactly what microsoft intended it to do - get them a foothold in the market.

it was NEVER even remotely expected to sell 50+ million consoles. it wasnt expected to beat the PS2. it was merely there as a foot in the door for microsoft, and it did that very well. it showed developers that microsoft will use HDDs, have a robust online offering, use PC-like architecture, and that microsoft are not afraid of throwing money around at developers.

this gained them MASSIVE ground on sony, and as we see with the 360, its gotten them nearly ALL of the formerly sony exclusive 3rd party games along with some of their own, and exclusive/timed exclusive DLC.

and depending on how you look at it, sony have "failed" with a console. the PS3 lost them MASSIVE amounts of money (all of the PS2s profits and then some actually) and lost them MASSIVE amounts of marketshare to both Microsoft and Nintendo.
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kikizoo  +   839d ago
Wow "hehateshimself", strikes again, denial much ?

xbox was a monster fail, they have to give the console, gift, refund, to sells some consoles, and they don't..360 was just here before ps3 + millions marketing, propaganda, paid medias, even without first xbox, they would have sold 360.

lol@i your studid sentences for ps3 failure, despite the launch difficulties with the best hardware and cost (+ medias, propaganda, etc toward them) it's a big success, selling more than 360 since day one over the world, more games since 2,3 years (+ bluray success and royalties due to ps3)...japan is fighting against crises, and it's even harder with incredibly strong yen (+25% !), that is a fact, and we should reward sony to offer (again) the best hardware, the best and more games, in this economy.

"3DS has something that just makes it feel like a special handheld something the vita doesnt have."

in your head, probably, but not in reality (it's the exact opposite), it's like "souless",etc : ridiculous and delusional subjectivity (even if i know 3Ds is the past compared to vita, like ds was for psp, even if i ahe already sold my 3DS, i'll never say "souless" for a product, but a i understand that fanboys without solids argument for gamers, like hardware, screen, graphics, library, etc are using this kind of silly words)
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NotSoSilentBob  +   838d ago
How can the PS3 fail when this Generation of console isn't over yet? And to mention that fact that it has almost sold as much as the 360 even though the 360 had a year head start and a year and a half in most of the world?
L6RD7BLU3  +   839d ago
My Vita is my identity everything on my Vita represents me as a Gamer, tastes in music, and movies so there you go.
smashcrashbash  +   839d ago | Well said
Yeah we already did the VITA has no soul thing before and decided that it was dumb even for a metaphor. The 3DS succeeds mostly because people will never let go of the past and continue to cling to things despite the fact that they are showing their age.Nintendo makes 9 Mario Parties and people actually say they are tired of them but people who refuse to let it go keep pushing it in your face telling you something is wrong with you unless you still like it. This is coming from a once dedicated Nintendo fan.

Sony's VITA is attempting to, as we have seen with more recent games being made for it,break out of the mainstream and get unique games like Escape Plan, Dragon's Crown, Soul Sacrifice and When Vikings attack and Sony people can't seem to see that. Nintendo does what it always does and runs and digs up the past and gets kudos all around for doing it. They went all the way back to Kid Icarus, a game not seen for twenty years made a game with horrible controls, remakes Zelda OOT and ports STF4 and gets kisses and hugs while the VITA gets all the hate and scorn for any ports and/or sequels made on the VITA.It is okay for KH, Mario Kart and RE to be on the 3DS but the moment any console sequel appears on the VITA it's groans and moans despite it not being the same game with a whole new story.

Sony's VITA MUST have nothing but original games or be doomed to scorn from everyone while Nintendo gets away with every port, sequel and over milked franchise. The make KH for the 3DS and instead of shouting 'Where the hell is KH3?' We accept another side story AGAIN without blinking an eye.I would bet if Sony grabbed up KH for the VITA their would be about a million articles saying that they refuse to buy the KH VITA because they are tired of it and want KH3. I know I will get hit with a million disagrees and called a Sony conspiracy fanboy but I am just saying what I am seeing happening.

Sony throws us a bunch of games for the VITA and we throw it right back in there face demanding more. 3DS launches with one of the worst line up in the history of gaming and its 'Don't worry we will wait for more games' Is it because Nintendo fans are more patient or is it that Sony fans are spoiled rotten and feel they should get everything faster?
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BuckyBarnes  +   839d ago
Agree. Bubble.
Ult iMate  +   839d ago
Also agree and bubbles.
Hypocricy is one of the saddest things with video games community and journalism.
HawtSkull  +   839d ago
I am not here to start a war, but let me point out something.
You people talk about milking in every article that even mentions Nintendo, so lets look back at last generation. PS2 Has 4 main Jak and Daxter games, 4 Ratchet and Clank games and 3 Sly Cooper games.Game Cube has 2 Zelda games, 2 Star Fox games and 2 Metroid Prime games. Lets not stop there lets go further back. PS1 has 3 Spyro games, 3 Crash Bandicoot games, 4 Twisted Metal games, 3 Syphon Filter games. N64 has 2 Zelda games and 2 Pokemon Stadium games.Now let us come take a look at this gen hmmm. PS3 has 4 Motorstorm games, 3 Uncharted games, 3 Killzone games, 3 Resistance games and another Ratchet Trilogy. Wii has 3 Mario games and 2 Metroid games. So my question to you is how does that milk taste :)
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Ult iMate  +   839d ago
So... how many Crash Bandicoots and Spyros did Sony make for PS2 or PS3? How many Jaks was there on PS3?
And now let's count how many Nintendo franchises did it till today since NES era. That's the milking alright.
So it's just a hypocricy blaming Sony for what Nintendo does. Nothing more.
BitbyDeath  +   839d ago
Where'd you get your numbers from cause they all look wrong.

eg. There are only two Jak and Daxter games on the PS2.

Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier

Not to mention you wrote 3 Mario games for Wii when there are around 30. (Not a joke)
Flatbattery  +   839d ago
Funny!........Wii has 18 games featuring Mario.

Just saying.
ieatbabies  +   839d ago
HawtSkull: You are starting a war. No matter how you say it Nintendo is notorious for milking franchises. i will prove it too you. I will post some facts on how many games each Nintendo franchise has put out
HawtSkull  +   839d ago
Post per gen for each franchise lets compare, and please don't post spin off shit we are dealing with core games not Mario sports shit.
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ieatbabies  +   839d ago
I think you need a time out for the lack of intelligence you're spewing. I typed nothing in compare to Nintendo. It's like I'm talking to a wall.

"(Omg 21 Metroid games stop sippin that sizzurp boy LOLZ)"

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Metroid games all licensed by your king Nintendo ;).

I guess VgChartz makes up games that supposedly exist too right? GTFO!

I think you need to delete your account before I continue to make you look dumb. I provided proof. why can't you just accept defeat and move on? give it up kid. I proved you wrong.
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Sanquine90  +   839d ago
Vita has identity:D Only the majority of the kids on this sites are 12 year olds.. They do not recognize the beauty of this divice. Only for gravity rush i would buy a vita...
( Already have one)
Metroid007  +   839d ago
I touch my 3DS everyday i love it cant wait for that Castlevania game and i need to buy Kid icurus played it and its online is amazing cant wait plus the 3DS has something that just makes it feel like a special handheld something the vita doesnt have.
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Sanquine90  +   839d ago
This is about the vita have identity. I can remember the 3DS struggeling the first months... Then there where also articles like this;) 3ds best game in 4 months was a remake of zelda... Nuff said
supremacy  +   839d ago
Dont buy this at all.

Honestly the real reason the vita is struggling the way it is, is because it happens to cost more than the alternative. Nintendo price dropped the 3DS because it too was struggling, and by the time the vita launched there were a few heavy hitters out on the 3DS. That is the plain truth behind its struggles, not soul or lack of identity.

The vita is a PlayStation, therefore its identify is covered by this known fact. Which means there is no need for articles trying to state otherwise.

Articles like this makes me wonder whether or not the people writing them even know what PlayStation is or means to the industry. To my knowledge, every PlayStation platform thats come out has been supported by an unrivaled amount of software support steaming from a well balance combination of 1st party and 3rd party games. PlayStation one, PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 anyone looking in from the outside can clearly see the pedigree these platforms hold.

So with that said, what makes you think that because the vita has only been out for as little as 5 months launching with over 24 games and by that with more software than its competition did in one year that things will be any different?

Nintendo knows how to get its sales, they make the necessary moves even if costly to get what they want.) They've been around doing this for quite sometime, so its obvious they have the resume to back it up.

But they in contrary to what anyone believes, havent exactly been crafting any new ips. I say this because some people seem to think that only Nintendo platforms provide original content. But when one really looks at things clearly, they will see the escape plans, littledeviants, soundshapes, gravity rush, warririors lair, soul sacrafice,guacamelee,simoni,un it 13, frosbier says as a few minor exceptions to that perception.
DialgaMarine  +   839d ago
Let's compare Vita's first few months to 3DS's first few months: Vita get's games like Uncharted: GA, Unit 13, Resistance: Burning Skies, and Gravity Rush. 3DS get's Mercenaries 3D, Steel Diver, Cartoon Network SSB, and Pilot Wings resort. I think it's obvious which lineup is better.

Point? Give Vita some time you nitpicking @$$holes.
DivineAssault  +   839d ago
vita just needs a price drop & all these dumb articles will stop.. $250 plus memory is more than a ps3 so ppl r hesitant to buy it.. i have it & absolutely think its worth every penny BUT i do believe the memory is too much & it needs more original titles.. I also bought the 3Ds when it launched at $250 & that was a HUGE mistake as i dont think its worth $100.. compared to vita it is just a ds with 3d but it has alot more 1st party games when vita has the better 3rd party

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