In a move that will rock the next generation of console gaming, Sony is close to agreeing an acquisition of a high profile cloud gaming firm, MCV understands.
Sony will own Gaikai and we will now have could gaming gaming and saves! ;D This also means we can play PC games if this is all on PS3!
Playstation is the future and the future is playstation
I would LOVE Gaikai on PS3, especially if the game I bought could just be streamed with the option of downloading. That way, I would never have to worry about disk space unless there are just some games that I want close to me :). Gaikai, imo, is better quality than OnLive with less ISP demands. This would be a super smart buy/partner for Sony.
You know what would be even cooler? If the next generation of Playstation games ran on PS3 via this service. Sony would rule. Who needs new hardware? I see lots of potential there. Next-gen games for the price of PS+? Sign me up.
that rumors started about onlive coming to consoles. I think its a good idea to use an existing platform to be the host to the cloud gaming feature. It certainly cant hurt.
Except Gaikai and cloud gaming isn't the future in any recent times. Cloud gaming will fail Sony like bluray has. Low initial adoption rates and by the time it becomes potentially successful they'll have way more competition in the market than they can handle. Just my opinion though. I would rather they focused on hardware and other services. Hopefully no one gets mad - then again this is N4G, so someone getting mad about something is guaranteed.
Honest question, cause I don't fully understand cloud gaming: All the computer processing is done with a powerful computer at THEIR end, and we are only streamed the visuals on screen. Does this mean hardware is no longer an issue, and that the games we would be playing would be of the highest graphical quality that could possibly be achieved? And surely couldn't that work equally as well on the Vita? If ALL the processing is done at their end, we would have console games like the highest spec PC games. And we'd still never have to upgrade hardware parts. If this is the case, this is the future. Just imagine what a game like Gran Turismo 6 would look like. No more console purchases in theory. And in theory this would work on the vita, on wifi at least. So is that right? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick with cloud gaming?
Sony may or may not buy Onlive! I DO NOT see Sony buying Gaikai cause Gaikai has a bright future on Nvidia's GRID!! Onlive on the other hand is struggling and is ripe for buying. Sony is looking to get it's catalog of Games into the hands of PC Gamers because Microsoft at anytime can give the entire 360 catalog to PC Gamers. Plus iPhones and Tablets are killing Hand helds which are DEAD too! It's the End Game for consoles my friends and console manufactures are looking to raise cash and what better way to do it than offering up those games to the Cloud!!! The Future: Sony and MS use the Cloud through TV's, mobile devices, and PC's to sell games. No more selling hardware except for accessories Licensed through other manufacturers. Next Gen TV's are already being built with Cloud Gaming support, Internet, USB ports, and motion sensing control.
It does make sense business wise for Sony to realease thier exclusive games on the PC. Uncharted and Grand Tourismo sold a shitload on the PS3 can you imagine how much it would sell if it also was on the PC.
@Patriots_Pride But wouldn't people just buy it on PC if they could instead of the next Playstation? People wouldn't have any need for Sony's new console anymore if they could just buy the game on PC. It could help software sales but it would actually end up hurting Sony's hardware sales. I doubt that Sony would do that to their own console. I think getting some PC exclusives on the next Playstation is what they're aiming for.
I think you are forgetting that within a couple of console generations, graphics will be about as good as they will ever get. So any perks that cloud gaming can add graphically, will be minimal. Microchips will continue to get faster and cheaper to produce, so getting all that power into customers homes won't be a problem. Then we have the issues of internet connections like connectivity and being able to stream in 1080p, depending on the servers being up all the time, hoping that they will have enough power to run the game for everyone when a huge game releases, and worst of all, input lag/latency. There is no way for them to get rid of latency when streaming games. If cloud gaming becomes the only way to game, I will quit gaming because of latency alone.
You seriously Never stop talking bull crap do you? stfu with the end of consoles crap you pc elitist pig -_-
You again? Its nothing short of hilarious how much you comment on console articles. Your SLi setup fried itself or what?
Your suggesting Sony, a company founded, and still invested primarily in the production of hardware practically packs in and starts focusing on software and services? Delusional. They're not even in a position to make the move your suggesting. If anything that type of thing would co-exist as a lower-market share of local gaming and games consoles. Primarily because no one has the network for this right now, the latency is too significant and it's not resolvable even by hooking everyone up with fiber optical 50mbs lines, the latency is still present, a technical constraint that makes a lot of games borderline unplayable on a cloud.
Fortunately the end of console gaming looks near. Not many of the console exclusives are worth playing. The few that are if those made it to the PC, Many people would no longer see a reason to own a console. Also it will be favorable for MS and Sony not to have any of their own hardware as its a loss making process for them and waste of resources plus it holds the industry back.
I think you might be right about the console thing. The coming generation being the last or next to last. We're already reaching the point where the graphics don't have much more room to grow. Photorealism in shooters ain't going to happen. And since console makers make the majority of their money from software sales, why not own a platform that makes almost every device a console. Phones, TVs, tablet. Even cars are getting display screens now. I still prefer to be able to play offline. Though with smaller and more powerful processors, you still could play offline at a lower resolution.
I bet this is how Sony will handle backwards compatibility for PS4 if the strong rumors of Sony dropping Cell is true
If it's not Onlive then I don't care,
Gaikai would be the better option for Sony since that service is getting Nvidia support
@da shredder i feel EXACTLY the same way. if its not Onlive then Fluck it!! bring the disagrees, haters!
Why does it HAVE TO BE Onlive?
i have heard lots of people say that the Gaikai service experience is better then OnLive. Either way, one of them is good enough.
5 people is not alot
I've tried Bulletstorm on Gaikai, and I must say, while it wasn't nearly as sharp as my display can boast, it was good enough to play and I didn't experience much lag, either. I'd like to see Sony acquire them and continue relations with Nvidia.
I've been saying that. And what in the hell is Gaikai? They need to get Onlive since it is the most heard of in the states.
And how will that make my cloud gaming better, if more people in the States have heard of it? What a weird set of priorities. I've heard that Gaikai is better, so go with the better service.
There are only 3 cloud gaming services in US region and global aims and goals. One is GaiKai, One is OnLive, and one is OTOY. OnLive is the only established one with a game library at the moment, but OTOY has 2012/2013 launch plans. Gaikai plans to branch away from just game demos into full game service like OnLive at some point, but has not said anything official. OnLive is the only company that has said they would partner up with anyone as well. So OnLive holds a big chance of being the one, but we won't know til later.
Ah okay thank you
The only one of these companies that's for sale at this stage is onlive. Onlive was built purely to be sold, can't see it being any other of those listed.
Onlive was launched with the hope of the tech being licensed for other uses. I could see Sony using this for more than gaming. It would allow for HD streaming of movies too. I would really like to see someone start an ala carte streaming cable service.
interesting i never saw it like that but if your right this = win for everyone
Shouldn't this be tagged as rumor?
I hope this happens, if only to watch all the u-turn comments/opinions.
i never had a problem with it as being an option but as far as it being a stander i would hate but i wouldn't mind having it for games like journey, pixel junkin and small psn games like that
I'm not pulling a U-turn. I'll abandon Sony instantly if they go to all streaming next-gen.
I can't u-trun. My internet is still too shitty. I can't seven steam Netflix better than Medium SD.
@NYC_Gamer Onlive also has Nvidia support, since basically the games are just running on custom made gaming server rigs in a data center somewhere? Then sent using an adapted RDP protocol across the net.
I mean this:GaiKai/Nvidia GeForce Grid http://phandroid.com/2012/0...
So all it is then is that Nvidia have invented a nice GPU to be used. However, this will only limit the latency within the locality. You still have to contend with the latency experienced across the WAN. However, I suspect that Gaikai is probably more suitable for a Sony take over since they don't use and end devices. Onlive has already distributed end devices, and so if Sony were to take over, it would suggest that these end devices plus the existing subscribers using PCs and such would then lose their service?
@ jamstorr86 I see it in the same sense as PS Certified Android devices. If Sony were to acquire OnLive, they could simply certify the device as a PlayStation device and move along. Why kill a revenue stream?
@yesmynameissumo I doubt they'll remove the "OnLive" brand. I think it will be used as a brand for the internet, while devices supporting it will bear the PlayStation name. If this is "Gaikai" then I see the same happening. @jamstorr86 I think that Sony can rename the current OnLive MicroConsole to PlayStation MicroConsole, or OnLive PlayStation. Either way, I think they're after the people behind the venture. Companies buy other companies because they have the expertise in the area. Sony wants to enter cloud gaming, but they don't have the means or resource to do so.
3 year old patent: interesting because they have the music/movie streaming partly online, and there's talks of the books. I guess it would be cheaper to purchase another company, if they couldn't figure it out. http://www.gamesindustry.bi... "The filing unveils early plans to make the service available to handheld game devices as well as consoles and details PS Cloud as providing "entertainment services, namely, providing an online videogame that users may access through the internet". According to Sony's filing, PS Cloud could also offer streaming music as well as electronic books and magazines."
TCT > Transaction Cost Theory If a transaction costs too much over the market, bring the transaction into the organization. I suspect the cost of using a cloud gaking service would be too costly in an open markey, with quality control and game hosting and connectivity simply too costly (information and security wise).
Should I be excited or concerned? I like the thought of game saves being cloud based, but I don't fancy the idea of all games having to be streamed. Am I missing something here?
Yeah I think you are, it'll be another option Sony gives it's consumers. Now you can have physical copies, downloaded electronic copies or pay a service and stream games that way. All the options will have advantages and disadvantages. The only thing this means is more options for consuming video games and that is never a bad thing. Also I think this is Sony's answer to people being afraid of the PS Vita, imagine streaming the newest PC games to the Vita, pure awesome.
Ah, thank you very much. New options if implemented well can only be a good thing. Will be interesting to see how this can benefit the platform if they decide to utilise it.
While in the short term if gives customers options I think the reality of this is what you are looking at, should this deal be real, is the PS4 is no longer a real factor. Sony will continue to just make the PS3 from now forward and as the actual PS4 games become reality they will be stream based only available via PS+ streaming service. This is the Sony future and gets them instantly out of having to produce new hardware for the next generation. They will simply work on the PS3 form factor and even come out with a non disc drive sku most likely.
@Dlacy13g I see your fears and eventually this will happen, but Sony has already confirmed that their new system will still have physical copies per a report today. Sony thought about going all digital but they decided not to. So a ps4 is in the works and it will have an optical drive, that much we do know.
In an age of increasingly higher bandwidth caps, how is cloud gaming viable? I really hope this isn't true, as in my opinion its a step backwards and resources could be used elsewhere when it comes to the Playstation brand.
Sony are too heavily invested in retail to shift completely to a cloud or streaming service. At best this would be optional so I would worry about bandwidth and whatnot quite yet. Although bandwidth caps are pretty rare these days (uk at least) and as more streaming service grow in popularity, ISP will be force to abandon them, for fear of losing custom to competitors.
once BT's fiber network is in place everyone will be able to enjoy up and around at least 50gbs speeds. consider onlive asks for a minimum of 3mbs, and consider that as well as throughput being increased, the latency is also heavily reducded via fiber, cloud gaming is the future, especially when phyisical media costs are rising.
like fishy said, in the UK at least badwidth caps are a thing of the past with most big ISP, although it looks like things haven't changed in the US
Seems like a great way to deliver game demos and other content. I'm still not very interested in cloud gaming. Diablo III illustrates many reasons why. The impending bandwidth crunch is another major issue altogether. It still doesn't seem like a completely logical conclusion to me.
If the PS4 is streaming only, Sony is in biiiiiig trouble. In times like these, Sony should get their stuff together before they think about buying other companies.
I don't think they're that foolish. I really don't. They still have a major stake in Blu-ray, after all.
read this http://www.ign.com/articles...
Weird question - Could this be a way for the PS3 to provide cross game chat? I do not need it but I would think they could use the data center for the horse power (memory).
Interesting, in that it basically eliminates the limitations of hardware. You could in theory play anything on anything. Definitely a cool feature, but I'm not sure if I could get any use out of it with my internet being craptastic.
How about being able to play PS4 games on your PS3 over the cloud until you can afford to purchase a PS4 for local play? And once you upgrade to PS4, cloud service for PS 1, 2, and 3 games. If the major $ incentive for Sony is software purchases, this could work out in their favor.
The future is looking bad for the Sony supporters it seems.
It's all about having options people and that's what a cloud service would bring. Doom and gloom over nothing.
If this is true...and Sony buys up Onlive, it changes things big time for Sony. I can assure you if they have Onlive you will see Sony forgo creating a PS4 and instead make the PS3 form factor smaller over time and the PS3 will become the defacto box for Onlive / Sony for the next few years as Sony tries to move to pure digital stream tech and thus the PS3 truly becomes future proof. PS+ will become a required component in order to play onlive and console gaming will be changed forever moving forward. It will be interesting to see how Nintendo and MS react to this.
They'd probably have a quiet chuckle as Sony would lose most of their customers. I doubt Sony would be that dumb though...
PC Gamers get too share our incredible exclusives? That's great! :D .. The games we have are pure gold, so sharing em' to more people to experience is just fantastic. Happy Gaming \m/
Diablo 3 on PlayStation? Yes please. :D
I hope not I like physical copies
Same, this would kill secondhand, which I guess is the intention.
they can do this cloud thing all they want just as long as theres still hardware and physical copies of games.
Sounds great! I've been using OnLive for the past year and a half and love the service. The connection with Sony would only strengthen the service!
If true, this just wouldn't be for SONY 1st party games, but 3rd party ones as well.(any PS3 game) This concept is for both SONY and 3rd party publishers, it's what lies beneath. It's a radical approach (and one that is not needed) that many seem to like, but actually don't understand. I've only seen a few post that state an understanding of what this actually means for the PS3. It is the end of the console as you know it. It already presents a drastic change, in that you must be connected to the internet (DRM) which means SONY and 3rd party publishers are monitoring you. (i.e. David Cage took note of how many people were playing Heavy Rain via used games, [which he complained they were playing free] just from players being logged in to PSN) This concept has a goal, which is to eliminate physical game disc, period. It's cheaper for SONY and 3rd party publishers to do this without taking a loss from used game sales. The one thing that the video game industry cries about the most this gen.