Well, it looks like the Wii60 Romance is all but over folks...
I know Nintendo doesn't want to see itself playing second fiddle...but Moore's right.
I agree, while the wii seems nice. It just doesn't stand out as a real competitor. I really think the wii-mote would get boring after a while. Unless of course they come out with a game where I can use it to spank some playboy bunny's ass with it. Then I'm in!
But I'd doubt I'd use it much playing alone.
Moore's dead wrong. Nintendo just realized that Microsoft was trying to use them to de-thrown Sony with that Wii60 garbage, and Nintendo said no thank you. now to save face Moore (the orchestrator of Wii60) is trying to say that Nintendo will play second fiddle. no one knows who will come out on top. but though i already own a 360, my money is that Microsoft, at best, will come in second like last time.
Okay your saying because Nintendo rejected Microsofts Wii60 IDEA, Moore's smearing the Wii. Microsoft wants the Wii to do well regardless because it will divide Japan; You don't make any sense.
Oh also here's the funniest part, you say Moore is dead wrong but whats your reasoning.
"no one knows who will come out on top"
And than you go on to say that the 360 won't be number one. YOUR HILARIOUSLY OBLIVIOUS. You say the Wii won't be number 2 because no one knows who will come out on top, than you go on to say that Sony or Wii will beat the 360.
That is a class A, stupid comment
dude, i'm not here to get into some heated, name-calling debate with you and your precious 360, because quite honestly i find the idea of debating the viability of a console whose success or failure isn't gonna effect me one iota to be ridiculous. "my money is that, at best, Microsoft will come in second" doesn't negate no one knowing who will win...it's simply my guess as to what will happen, much like Moore guessed that the Wii will be a second console. my reasoning for saying Moore is dead wrong is the manner in which he chose to save face. a couple of months ago he was saying how the Wii was all that...the console everyone was supposed to purchase along with the 360 (his method of trying to smear Sony's face in the mud), and how Nintendo was innovative, creative and the way of the future. a couple of months ago the Wiimote was the most brilliant, fun and fantastic idea to come out of videogaming. now all of a sudden "It's fun for a few minutes, but I'm not sure (how long that will last)." Microsoft doesn't WANT Nintendo to succeed, they'd just rather Nintendo succeed before Sony, because Sony poses the greater threat to Microsoft overall. that was their whole aim with Wii60. it backfired, and now Moore is trying to save face in light of Nintendo's abrupt dismissal of Wii60. whats funny is how 360 fanboys are just as quick to agree with him now as they did when he started this whole Wii60 mess.
Wii is a second fiddle console. You think 360 will come in second, obviously to the ps3...but that's not the point I'm making. The ps3 and 360 are on pretty even footing, and the Wii, while it will be a fun game system to own, will likely be most people's second console.
First, second, third...who cares? Let's hope they all do well and stay in business.
This is what I've been saying since nintendo chose to use a remote, or wiimote.
Actually the Wii will be a 2nd string console at best, but a 3rd string console probably. Now I know the people who are going to respond with fanboyism. But you've got to lay that aside, the public views nintendo as a console for kids, and it is. They've got repetative mascots of cartoon characters. I loved my n64, and super nintendo when I was young. But this is now, and this is the future. I don't hold on to nintendo like the adult nostalgic fans, most of these guys you can find in comic book stores(simpsons).
The 360 price drop is months away, probably bring the core down to match the Wii at 250. That's just the way it works when your console ships a year earlier.
I'm sorry to say but the way things are unfolding is gonna force the Wii to do as good as the gamecube in terms of units sold. And Nintendo will stop making consoles because of it, that's what they said anyways.
So what? I am going to own a Wii... I won two DS's (one for me, one for my wife) and I love 'em. Who cares if the majority of games can be classified as kiddy? Videogames in general can be classified as a kids' thing. Oh, and I love hanging out in comic stores.
It's still the same with me
PS3: 600 Euro and it has nothing to add on the ultimate gaming experience -->
360 Premium: 400 Euro
Add to it a Wii for 250 Euro including one 50 euro game. And you'll have two consoles for about 600 Euro, what the PS cost and a game add on to 650 Euro.
Now that's still a Wii60 or a PS to me. And I'd rather have two consoles with one being king above the PS3 and the other just for movement fun which the PS tried to copy but failed miserably
hiding behind the Wii`s name hasn`t really done much justice has it? no one was buying that [email protected]
what exactly IS microsoft's tactics? Because whatever they are, they're not working
Been saying what Peter MOore has said all along. Its a Gimmick, and you can bank on it that after a few months or so, its not gonna last. Pull it out at parties EXACTLY! thats basically the only time. hah. Well hopefully nintendo goes bankrupt and has to merge into SONY and be devs for them. i'd like that, only for a couple games really ;-/
Psh, whatever. BTW, i haven't seen any big titles from Nintendo or Microsoft for the show. Maybe we'll get something worthwhile today? (Mario Galaxy looked pretty intriguing back at E3). Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon however...I don't think those are going to win any sales unless they put in some next-gen gameplay into those titles.
Sony just seems to be focusing on the games and didn't say much at the conference, which is fine. The whole HDMI announcement made everything forgivable and more and more PS3 titles are starting to impress. White Knight is the one title at TGS that caught me off guard though. If only Sakaguchi's titles had that kind of gameplay...-sigh-
Level-5 is definitely the most important RPG developer to come along since Tri-Ace and Square/Enix, and I can't wait to see what they accomplish on the PS3.
im expectin microsoft to show worthwhile stuff at xo6 since all the attention will be on them at their own show
They're obviously gonna show off Gears of War half the time and show off Lost Odyssey (which needs a lot of improvement, and the inclusion of the missing gameplay elements). Maybe Viva Pinata and some Halo stuff. Lost Planet and Forza as well.
Hopefully Sony continues to have their May conference and upgrades it slightly so that more people can come in and try out their titles. Make it sort of a mini-E3 for the press and allow different publishers to showcase their different titles after the keynote address.
Dj, Nintendo doesn't participate in TGS. I don't know why, but they don't.
Expect at X06
--halo 3 trailer
--HDMI add on to universal 360 jack
The bigger HDD will basically null and void any reason for a high def. drive. The 360 WILL become like a computer, using the HDD to store the few extra gbs. Huge HDD's are the future of game consoles, sony sais so.
Moore's said their not done pulling out all the stops and I'm sure they've got great things to show.
That means it's everything except over. I think.
When all these Xbox fanboys said all this crap about "Oh 1080p sucks anyways", and "Oh HDMI, no one uses it or knows what its all about, totally pointless", and "Oh a bigger HDD, no one needs more than 20GB, 20 is good enough" and talking all this bad stuff about PS3, then when they hear that all that stuff maybe coming to the XBox 360 (1080p confirmed), now its all "YEAH, This is sweet, HD GAMING HERE WE COME". Um excuse me if im wrong here Xbox ppl, but isnt that copying. You guys have been saying all this time that Sony has copied other companies ideas for PS3, well isnt having HDMI, and Blu-Ray and 1080p and bigger HDD, all in the PS3, and if M$ were to use that, isnt that copying. Cause PS3 had 1080p 1st. PS3 had HDMI 1st. PS3 had the bigger HDD 1st. And well, Blu-ray is internally apart of the PS3, but so could the HD DVD for Xbox 360 so cant really say on that . So basically i dont get you ppl. You say PS3 sucks for what it does, then Xbox 360 gets it, then you guys say YEA, HERE WE COME. Anyone wanna answer that for me? (not to diss the 360, cause im actually glad that both the systems im getting will have pretty much the same features -- Bigger HDD, HDMI(maybe for 360), 1080p, Next-Gen movie playback)
I believe that enough people know what HDMI is and also know what 1080p is. Therefore it matters. Now and in the future.
You can't copy a system that isn't even released yet. Fact of the matter is, The 360 will be first to have all the features the yet to be release ps3 has and then some. So people can talk about copying....and its silly...its about who does it the best...who offers it first....who has the best price.....if someone copies somthing...they can get sued. So obvously the things that sony claims to do that MS is doing FIRST....isn't really copying. And your same lame arguement can be made about many many many 360 features that the ps3 is attempting to do. But who cares. Its about who does it first, and best, and affordable.. 360 wins hands down in all 3 areas. Thanks Microsoft.
Oh, and why are you lying buddy? No xbox fan ever said 1080p sucks. Thats a bold face lie as well as other things in your post.
TheMART - 17 Sep 2006 14:18 | Let him/her speak
Furthermore, who will be able to watch anything in 1080p?
99.9% of all users will have a 720p HDTV at home. 1080p for games just simply suck.
Oh yea, no xbox fan ever said 1080p sucks eh. well i do believe that this comes from a guy by the name of TheMart, and im pretty sure that hes an Xboxboy. But yea ur right, its not who copys who or who does this and that that the other system did, its about quality, power and games. and both the PS3 and 360 have it. Obv. 360 a little more because its been out for nearly a year, and its on amazing titles to come out before Cmas. But still, i want someone, preferable topgamer, to tell me why i shouldnt buy the PS3, if its been a good quality name and its been around for 10yrs.+. Why should i just desert them because of a few bad errors they've made about the PS3 since E306?
Wow, that's a clever excuse. The PS3 was physical hardware though; it has been since spring 2005 (yup, Dev Kits were released that far back). It's funny how you ran all over the place in your statements but the only tangible thing you could say besides 'it isn't really copying' is "Its about who does it first, and best, and affordable".
In that case, the PS3 wins. You really did give that one away. It had 1080p support before the 360, it supports blu-ray without the need for an expensive add-on, in addition to using it for games as well as movies, and it has HDMI 1.3
And only for $100 more than a 360. Stand-alone blu-ray players are over a thousand dollars, so Sony's definitely giving us a very affordable machine. Thanks for clarifying that information for us TopGamer, as hard as that must've been. You tried to make a counterargument, but I guess it's the thought that counts. =]
Why does reggie always look angry??
Please don't flame this... just click agree or disagree
ha ha ha...my bad...wow he really said that. Well...my apologies. I would never say don't get a ps3. I just think its ironic when many sony fans bash the 360...they will get all get what they have coming to them when they get the ps3.
A. they talk about 360 games not being next gen....
They will see for themselves that ps3 games won't be better than 360 games like they think...
B. They say the 360's 3 to 5% breakage rate is bad....
They will witness a much much higher breakage rate due to common sense. 2 unproven tech in the ps3. Blu ray laser failures and the cell over heating and spe's burning out due to having ONE PPU with Spe's attempting to do too much of the game code.
And finally to DJ...ha ha ha...you said...
"Sony's definitely giving us a very affordable machine. "
Affordable to who? You are crazy buddy. Over half a grand isn't affordable. Its a cheap blu ray player but over half a grand is not affordable for "MOST" gamers. Thats just plain stupid buddy. 400 is even high for a gaming machine. But MS has the hardcore gamer market on lock and key. Thus the 4.9 games sold per console. Sony has never had that luxery. They have always had the casual gamer on lock and key. Not anymore with over a half a grand price tag. Do you really not see? ha ha ha....Thank goodness you can find 360's premium 360's for 340. And at Costco you can get the premium with extra wireless controller and a game for 440. Thats incredible. And you say there is a 100 dollar difference. Not true. Maybe for you but for the casual gamer who don't go online....the core is 300 dollars.....and the ps3 core is 500 dollars. You can say hdmi is on the core for the ps3...but you forget who is buying the core systems....."Casual Gamers"...hardcore gamers will buy the premiums for both consoles. So casual gamers don't want nor need hdmi or extra bonus features. They want a console to play next gen games. Then if time goes by and they choose to become a hard core gamer...they can add the features they want. But half a grand may be a good deal for a rich kid who is interested in blu ray...but its not a good deal for a gamer on a budget who just wants games...and don't have hdmi. Like 95% of the population. Get it? Understand? Good....
saying how 360 games are crap, when almost every new game has sold over 500,000 copies and how that graphics wise, the 360 is about the same as PS3. The only reason im getting a PS3 is because games like Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, RR7, Warhawk, and those types of games, that i like and are not able to be on the 360. So what, people are gonna hate me for buying a PS3 because i like games for it?, well if thats the case, i really dont care, ppl buy systems for one thing "GAMES", and if i wasnt keen on buying a PS3, then that means there wouldnt be any interesting games for it, but there are. So im not saying that you have to like PS3, Im just tellin everyone, that I am a Xbox and PS Person, and dont hate me for liking both. I mean i like "GAMES" and i think XBox and PS have the best of the best games. So if you guys hate me for not being a particular fanboy for a particular console, im srry, but i am goin 55%Xbox 360 and 45%PS3. So please dont flame me for being a Multi-Gamer. Thanks
you should compare premium X360 to core PS3.
And core PS3 still has more to offer.
I respect that. Well said...Unlike many other "sony only" fanboys. And me, I am getting a ps3...i'm just not excited yet. Mabye once I can play demos at my local EB that might change. But I'm very very skeptical about it. We'll see.
But yea, im going to wait till i get my hands on the controller, get a fell for a game and see what it can do, or what it does, and if it does stuff unheard of or unseen, then yea, its totally worth it. But ur right, you should try everything before you buy. Which i think thats what most people will be doing.
LOL - Notice how your last 6 comments all start with my name. Kind of creppy eh. just kiddin.
Lets just move on. Has any one noticed that the Wii has like not fans boy but has willing customers. If it sucks I'll just trade it in for some 360 games. So I'll will still get my Wii60 no matter what. And Hyper bear no body said 1080p sucks we just said it was a non issue and not as important as the hype Sony is creating.
First of all, I'm not defending Mart, but I don't think he ever said "Oh 1080p sucks anyway", theres a "Big" difference between saying its not important for the majority of gamers and saying it sucks. I'm sorry kid but you don't seem sure about anything, I've seen your posts over the last few weeks and you change your mind about everything. I try to ignore, posts when its obvious that its just a lil kid that wants to share his opinion....thats cool, but when you make bold accusations like saying that 360 fans said: "Oh 1080p sucks anyways", when anyone who cares can look over the last few days post and see about 50+ comments from 360 fans who have said repeatedly 1080p is great but not important to the majority of gamers, of course they did not use those exact words but thats what 99% of 360 fans have said in one way or another. Sure there may be one or two extreme 360 fanboys who have said something ridiculous like that, but that doesn't represent the majority of 360 fans opinion, and to be fair there are extreme fanboys on both sides who have no creditability....its the internet, remember? I guess its not your fault, because you are probably only 8-10 yrs old but its kind of annoying reading your posts because you never make a clear point, you say negative things about both consoles, which is fine....I like to listen to everyones opinion whether they are 360 or PS3 fanboys, but you are probably the only one who changes his mind everyday. Also why do you think we hate you for liking both consoles, I like both consoles as I've said many times before, but for the record I have said I favor 360 games MORE than PS3, and I hate Sony's business tactics/PR., but I still like the PS3 and I will buy one, late next year sometime for various reasons....but the point is I don't care what anyone else thinks, and niether should you, no one can tell you what console to buy, you don't need everybody's approval.....but good advice is like money, everybody needs it, so here is the best advice anybody can ever give you about "buying a VIDEOGAME console": If you can afford it buy ALL of them because you will get to experience ALL the good things that they ALL have to offer; but if you only want 1 console or you just can't afford 2 or 3, then think about the type of games you like, look at the games that are exclusive to each console, and buy the system that has MORE of the games "YOU" like. Of course techies will keep debating about hardware (myself included) but in the end, like I've said a million times....its all about the games, I mean Nintendo prooves this everyday, with the Wii...its cleary vastly under-powered compared to the 360 and PS3, but fans are excited just because they are curious what the games have to offer. Now, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying don't make bold statements that are totaly inaccurate.....its just makes you sound like you have no clue what you are talking about,which is why its not that people don't like you personaly, but you provoke people into flaming your ridiculous statements.
W should pay close attention to what others mean and not try to slander each other.
I thought Hyperbear had sworn off Sony two days ago, yet in this article (which had nothing to do with Sony) he comes in swinging.
Ugh, I get so tired of this uber-fanboy crap.
Because I'm not an 8 year old child that's why. I only want and need my XBOX 360, the greatest gaming console to of ever ruled the planet. Yes, I feel that strongley about that. The Wii is a childs console and yes even as he said it's going to be a gimick for the adult that buys it and maybe the end all to be all for an 8 year old, but, I guarantee that within 6 months you'll see many 3rd party dev.s releasing actual XBOX 360 style controllers for the Wii as most everyone will tire of the motion sent.style, same with the ps3. I wouldn't want that as my main controller for nothing. Wireless controller with rumble, awesome.
But, also know, every system all 3 big boys will under go changes in the next few years to come as all will adjust with the growing wants and needs of it's users, as well as technological growth spurts that impact our style of playing and basically our lives.
I'm damn proud of my ultimate machine, I can't imagine anything better than the ultra next gen. gaming of and on my XBOX 360. We have awesome gaming here now and coming each and every month from now on. Wii and ps3, I'm sure both to some extent will do fine and will have some awesome games as well, it's just that there going to have to do alot to catch up and to fill in those missing pieces of the gaming world like online gaming. There style also isn't my style, The Wii is marketed for youths and will do great with them but many will still have an XBOX 360 and some a ps3, but ps3, it's got an uphill battle as it's many flaws are still showing from bottlenecking, staggering frame rates, slow loads from blu ray, overpriced due to BR, no actual online to start with among others as well, also no qty.s and delay's have given sony a horrid face to the gaming world. Yes, they can over come that a lil at a time but still uphill for a long time. Now, I'm not knocking the ps3, i do however knock sony, they've done much to lose faith in there fans. But, this is about gaming and gaming we will do. Quickly a comment on 1080P, it's great if any and or all can do it, but , is it needed or necessary...no. Most don't have 480P capable TV's so it's really not a big deal, in fact i'd say MS added it because it's more of a here, we can do it too, it wasn't or isn't that important but since some people will make a big deal out of it, here you go, here's 1080P. 480P is more than what's needed in today's gaming to see most every detail at a high standard. To say we have this and you have that, is just bragging rights, not something that probally 90% of people on this site will ever have, atleast not in the next 4 or 5 years. So, lets cool it on the 1080P thing.
My opinions are basically just that, my opinions, another thing of beauty, we all have opinions and can express them here.
Competition breeds better gaming, we will each compliment each other in some way.
SO!!! LET THE GAMES COMMENCE!!!
why hasnt anyone mentioned that the wii's remote has possibly the worst lay-out ever? the remote part, not the joystick, is the shape of a normal remote with 8 buttons on the face of it. when you hold a remote how many fingers do you use to press the buttons? YOU USE YOUR THUMB! so with this "genius" or "intuitive" device, four of your fingers are useless and you control 8 buttons with one thumb..... and the joystick part.... well do i really have to say? i guess you dont need quick access to buttons when your playin "mario buys shoes" or its sequal. and playing madden must be the worst experience of anyones life. not only are you stretching to reach buttons, but you have to fling the device around to juke. everyone, not just nintendo fans, thinks nintendo can do no wrong, and wont admit it when nintendo does do wrong. the gamecube was an utter failure (not as bad as the dreamcast but at least now people admit the dreamcast was the best system at the time despite being neglected) and the wii is almost the axact same system as the gamecube. just add SLIGHTLY better graphics, MILD hardware improvements, $4 each to download 20 year old games (sounds great!), a catalog of childish games and throw in a remote that with unproven features and everyone is ready to say "they're changing the industry!!!"
i know that when something new and creative comes into the video game world its usually from nintendo, minus the last decade, but it seems like this system could have been made 5 or six years ago.
indeed but years ago it would cost like 500+ dollars ....thats not nintendo like ;)
this sounds about right. i havent seen a game for the nintendo wii that wowed me. i just wisdhed that they would show me somthing nextgen. the systems not that strong but it can still pull of some nextgen graphical games. it seems as if everyhing thats comming to the wii is a little below some of the crappy xboxlive games :/ we dont want mini games we want good nextgen games.
After the newness launch hype settles the Wii will die a slow death. No fatass gametroll, no working gamer, will wan't to work out, or come home from work; to work some more playing the Wii. It wii be cute/cool for drunken parties, or birth day parties for a year or two. It's so low tech in a industry craving advancements in graphics first and everthing else second world of gaming of today. People are not buying their 720p, 1080i, 1080p HDTV's to enjoy Super Monky BAll on their 50" sets.
C'mon, tell me one person who doesn't wanna see or play that. LOL!
and yet ppl are soo excited about the Ps3 controller with TILT FUNCTION
I'm still questioning the Wii and what it really has to offer has far as games go. Because that's what really matters right? How will the games be...Now if i'm correct nintendo develops some great games which are fun to play especially with other people(SSBB-Mario Party-and Mario Kart)...Playstation has it made, In my opinion, because it has Madden and it is awesome to play Madden on the PS which updates every year...Now the only way I see the Wii win, which can happen...anything is possible in a market where the consumer decides where to put the green, blue, red, or whatever the color of your currency looks like. It's funny how someone commented about the craving for technological improvements such as graphics. Hey, the PSP has spectacular graphics, compared to the PS1 or greater, but I don't see PSP's in anyones hands...How could DS, an inferior product in terms of graphics, overcome such a powerhouse graphical machine. It's software!!! PSP has no memorable games to brag about and there is no fun way to play them...I thought the touch screen was genius and developers managed to play with it to their liking. The Wii is a technological machine built for a creative mind that doesn't think inside the box (or the machine). The Wii-mote plays in 3-D space...this has never been done before...someone commented on how the controller layout and # of buttons was wrong and confusing...Well, when you have a controller for 3-D space, you pretty much don't need 500 buttons to play with don't you think (just my opinion). Now some others may argue that this is a new gen. console and not a next gen console, but one can only argue that at this time because only time will tell when and if the wii offers next gen material...because right now the only thing that counts as a next gen is graphics and maybe online activity...Wii is trying to redefine that and in my opinion takes balls, huevos, cajones, marbles, and nuts to do that. All in all, it comes down not to the consumer, but to the software developers...If wii approaches the game plan of the DS and builds awesome, addicting games, then we are going to have one heck of a showdown...A David vs. Goliath (vs. a smaller Goliath, MS)... I'm getting a Wii if anyone wants to know...becuase I like playing games with people around me...not in virtual space...and wii offers me that...I just hope PS3 doesn't kill wii because Nintendo will be missed...hey they could always pull a Sega Dreamcast...hmmmm....nahhh....
but this is not the first time people have been able to play in 3d space. They've been doing it for a long time in arcades with certain shooters and a boxing game or two. If you really want to get technical about it, even the 8bit Nintendo had the laser gun. So, while sure, Nintendo did innovate the first 3d gaming experience... They did it in 1984 with duckhunt. So the modern implementation is more of an upgrade than an innovation really.
If it's an upgrade then i would think it's a pretty good upgrade...
ey you ppl do realize that nintendo is the key to more and more gamers?
so MS and SONY should STFU......who knows how many gamers we have after a few years becozz of nintendo
That PS3 will be third.
EVEN BETTER FROM WII60.COM
i had ps1 and ps2 and i'm getting ps3 and i just got my 360 and i'm waiting for GOW and HALO 3. I think ps3 will have better games and will have better graphics because i have call of duty on 360 and it doesn't look that good.
i don't know i might be wrong but i heard some people from games companies and they are saying that ps3 is more powerfull than 360.
so i don't care who's more powerfull, what i think is that ps3 will have better games and better graphics than 360 even though 360 will have better online than ps3. we'll see though
please don't blame me, i just saying something that i heard from others websites or magazine.
go back to the planets where you came from!
it depends on the DEV how good a game will be not the hardware.
look @ DS games, overall they are more fun to play( AKA better) then allot of PSP games
while the hardware does play an important part...its the games that truly make a system shine. while all 3 next gen systems have some promising games (Lair,GOW,TP)i have to say that so far the wii has the greatest number of games that come to mind that i really cannot wait to play...if that support keeps up the Wii could surprise alot of ppl and do alot better then expected.
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