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Submitted by danswayuk 360d ago | opinion piece

OnLive for PS3 would impact a PS4 release

InEnt writes: If E3 2012 reveals a deal between Sony and OnLive it could change everything, and that might mean for the PS4 as well considering this is cloud gaming at its best with new hardware not needed. This kind of partnership would add years to the life of the PS3. (E3, Next-Gen, OnLive, PS3, Sony)

danswayuk  +   360d ago
OnLive on PS3 makes me wonder what Sony will do with the PS4 hardware.
iamnsuperman  +   360d ago
I do not think it would change much. The problem is there is a lot of unconnected consoles out there. I think it will take another generation before we see stream only consoles.
Pixel_Enemy  +   359d ago
Imagine the possibility though of an extremely affordable launch PS4 because it doesn't have to have awesome hardware for cloud gaming. What if the thing costs under $100 and includes a controller and a micro console like Onlive does now.
Amazingmrbrock  +   359d ago
They could put a 4g chip or whatever comes after that if they wait long enough. Then either charge monthly or foot the data costs themselves in return for the games pricing being wherever they would put it.
Kevin ButIer  +   359d ago
if they manage to merge on live tech in the ps4 without compromising the offline gaming... this can be huge
Getowned  +   359d ago
I really like the idea but there are a few things I don't like about it that are Big issues such as, what if the servers go down?, what if im in an area with no internet?,how much lag will there be ?, huge bandwidth usage? etc. The only way I see this working is if I can download games onto my console for offline play with no internet needed to play the game, I don't think everyone is ready for this tech/Internet wise, maybe by the time PS5 is out but as of now the Internet companies are screwing us over because they know they can puting idiotic useage caps on us and over charging. I wouldn't mind a Netflix for video games but this idea needs more time in the oven before it's ready, and big internet companies need to stop cock blocking (so to speek).
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Brosy  +   360d ago
I imagine it would put the PS4 on the back burner. Because we all know OnLive runs on its own hardware. The OnLive hardware could be upgraded without the need to upgrade the PS3.

I just wonder about the pricing if thise turns out to be true. Will they charge a subscription fee, or will it be based on single game purchases?
Titanz  +   359d ago
It'll be exclusive to PS+ members
And like the patent with the "best soda ever!", free members will have their gameplay interupted with ads (which isn't bad, because Gaikai isn't a free service).
HammadTheBeast  +   359d ago
@Titanz One stupid rumor article has made you believe that there will be ads in games? Wow nice way of thinking.
GamingPerson  +   360d ago
Suppose sony did get into cloud gaming. Being a corporation would they ignore facebook, browser & mobile devices? I don't think so.

Could I play uncharted in google chrome?

If anything I hope they use gaikai.
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cannon8800  +   359d ago
@ danswayuk
If that was the case then they would probably make the ps4 more powerful and more future proof than it already is.
Jamegohanssj5  +   359d ago
I just figured out how it's gonna be. Since the PS4 won't be using The Cell, then they will have them on the onlive service. But how will we get our games back? You'll have to put a code or something in so you won't have to pay for them over again.

TGSI
Whitefeather  +   360d ago
I don't care much for streaming or DL games (not including PSN games) I just want my physical media thank you.
danswayuk  +   360d ago
What would we do if the Internet connection went? OnLive goes at that point. Digital downloads are also not cheap enough yet.
ricky360  +   359d ago
This will always be the reason we need offline gaming as well.
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sjaakiejj  +   360d ago
It wouldn't change anything - saying OnLive on Ps3 would add years to its life would be like saying that adding Skype would add years to its life. It's a feature, it is not intended to replace the Playstation game library.

If it's on Ps3 it'll be on Ps4 as well.
Fez  +   359d ago
It has the possibility to effect the ps4. If the current hardware can be used to play more resource intensive games the ps4 could be released later, or not as powerful as it could be.
Much different than Skype being introduced. You can't play next gen games via skype, but you can via onlive.
sjaakiejj  +   359d ago
Sony doesn't earn anything on Onlive (remember, Sony earns their money through royalties on Ps3 third party software), so being able to play next-gen games on it doesn't make a difference for the Ps4.

It's also a very different way of playing a game, one which many people don't like due to latency.
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Fez  +   359d ago
Yeh I'm not sure it will make a difference to PS3 or PS4. PS4 will probably be all about power.

I've not tried Onlive, not sure I would like doing all my gaming on it. Don't like the idea of requiring a reliable and fast internet connection to play my games. Not suited for me right now. Lag could be a problem too, would be interesting to see a comparison.
ApolloAdams  +   360d ago
Nothing changes if Onlive partners with Sony PS3 which isn't even confirmed and I doubt it will happen since Gaikai seems like a more plausible option for streaming demos since people don't have to download big files.

Now Sony would be idiotic to change their hardware because they now have Onlive as a partner.

If true this only changes how people play. If you have substantial broadband internet(which you should) then you don't have to wait to download anymore and could play whenever. This only adds options.
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raytraceme  +   359d ago
Sony will most likely team up with gaikai. Nvidia grid supports gaikai. Here is what nvidia grid says about latency using their grid:

"MINIMIZE LATENCY AND LAG
To a gamer, latency or lag can be the difference between life and death. That's why NVIDIA has focused on reducing game server latency throughout the pipeline, achieving an amazing 30ms reduction with the GeForce GRID Platform. The end result is that cloud gaming now feels like playing on a local console.

These improvements are the result of NVIDIA's fast and concurrent game capture APIs, on-chip H.264 hardware encoding, and working with cloud game infrastructure providers to place servers next to major cities. Plus, new Smart TV makers are working with NVIDIA to reduce the input lag time on their Ethernet ports compared to the amount of buffering that usually exists on the HDMI input port to most consumer TVs.

NVIDIA is now able to show this performance in action."

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danswayuk  +   359d ago
Looks like things are leaning towards Gaikai then, man I'm looking forward to E3 this year.
xtreampro  +   359d ago
The GTC was a great invent and what they displayed over there was amazing. I'm suprsied the people above still think Sony's potential partner is Onlive when it's basically been confirmed it's going to be GaiKai.

Onlives service isn't as good as GaiKai's and once they upgrade their servers to the GeForce GRID it's going to be 100x's better. Sony must have known about this in advance which explains the partnership between them.

I also heard the IEEE are going to update 1Gbit Ethernet connections so this all ties in (I guess).
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akaFullMetal  +   359d ago
What might be neat about this now, is that games that were pc exclusive or only on pc and xbox can now be available on ps3.
KMCROC54  +   359d ago
you might play PC games on PS4 , but i seriously do not think MS is going to allow their games to be played on a competing console hardware. be it console games or games ported to PC.
Rinkuchal  +   359d ago
heh, here's what some people may not be thinking when Sony partners with a cloud gaming service: all PS, PS2, and PS3 titles can be available online since they are emulated by server. if this succeeds PS4 will have complete BC by having all the back catalog available for streaming...
ricky360  +   359d ago
Now that's an interesting possibility.
harrisk954  +   359d ago
I wonder how this would work... wouldn't OnLive streaming directly compete with sales of games and Sony's current business model?
ricky360  +   359d ago
Does seem strange, although would they earn well from this as an extra service.
ExCest  +   359d ago
That's exactly what I was thinking. Two completely different gaming services with conflicting sales working together on the same platform? That seems far too doubtful for me. But still, cloud gaming is pretty impressive. I've tried OnLive with my 10-15Mbps internet and it's pretty good with games like Limbo. But then again, any PC can run OnLive (as long as the PC isn't like 20 years old)
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GraveLord  +   359d ago
If cloud gaming ever becomes the main or only feature of a console, I won't buy it. If Sony thinks they can extend the life of the PS3 with some lame cloud service no one can use, then don't be surprised when everyone ends up buying an Xbox 720 at launch.

I for one don't plan on getting a $100/month internet plan.
danswayuk  +   359d ago
Xbox 720 will launch first.
Dragonopolis  +   359d ago
Adding options to for customers is not bad..... Onlive's service has improved greatly since it came out.. They still have plenty of room to improve on their compression software. When it first came out you had to have 5mb download minimum just to get HD now 720p is possible at 3Mbps. Lag problems on Onlive are no different from lag on regular video games. Some normal online games are better than others with lag but each one is different. With onlive all games are equal in lag and Onlive just has to improve their own software and it applies to all games. So there is advantages and disadvantages to both.

Don't know about you but I have 40Mbps down 20Mbps up for $35 here in Phoenix from my phone company. 10-15Mbps down 2Mbps up would work unless you have a lot of devices running off the one connection which is the starting basic internet package offered by many cable cable companies. Here in Phoenix ours is $53 a month For 15Mbps down. Plenty of speed for services like Onlive and GaiKai. There isn't enough connection speed across the entire U.S. to go Cloud only service yet but as an extra service yes. Plus there could be PC games that come on Onlive that might not have PS3 version. Also these services could provide a way for Sony to provide Backwards compatibility without having to add excessive hardware costs. Its not like PS2 or PS1 games had any real online connectivity to begin with so this type of service could make sense. There is a whole role of possibilities so don't count it out but I do agree that Cloud only gaming is still a ways off.
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black911  +   359d ago
Lets stop speculating and just wait for E3.
NastyLeftHook0  +   359d ago
physical media needs to stay, but onlive is still a good feature.
kingPoS  +   359d ago
If ISP's continue to raise rates & lower caps, then not many would enjoy Sony's prospective merger.
SilentNegotiator  +   359d ago
.....uh, yeah, like having Netflix on a redbox machine would impact Blockbuster.

/s
Kortin  +   359d ago
OnLive?

Input lag... nuff said
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BitbyDeath  +   359d ago
Isn't Diablo 3 getting ripped to shreds for using a similar tactic where it forces you to have a constant internet connection?

PSPGo also went through something similar by trying to be online only for getting games.

This service will fail just like all the rest.
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MYSTERIO360  +   359d ago
I still prefer physical media but streaming content is still a great addition.

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