It's been mentioned before in discussions but never has a comparison been actually made to show the difference it has. Here is an image showing the differences on simply the XMB.
The colours become richer and more vibrant, and because of that, you can enjoy the true visuals behind the games. So it makes a great difference.
It does give the picture more "oommphh", doesn't it? Too bad the same thing does not work for textures. : (
@above?...what?...its the textures that become more crisp.. look at the textures on ryu's mask/helmet...with full RGB you can easily see how much more depth there is to the texture mapping...as well as contrast in color...same with the hilt of the sword...thats the "textures" looking "better"... without RGB full activated, the depth is lost...and everything looks noticably smudgy and less colorfull... whatever you are getting at made absolutely zero sense...all you see in a video game is color organized in a way that it looks like "something"...having the RGB full setting activated directly addresses what makes textures on the PS3 appear "muddy"... if the 360 had the same setting...the textures in both games would appear almost identical...assuming they used the same textures between each game...and in almost any multiplatform game, that is pretty much exactly what they do... this had already been shown though...some reviewers commented with AC that if the PS3 has RGB full on, it actually has more contrast to the lighting than the 360 version (which went directly against GTs video comparison...it was just GT never commented on it until today)...that video is on this site by the way...
honestly speaking , i didnt know what that was but i do see it in my setting but i cant tell the difference if its on or off . connecting HDMI to sony bravia
The textures do look a lot sharper. It reminds me of the picture settings in Gears of War(and a few other games), if you witch it to 'vibrant' the game looks twice as good as on 'default. I think GT should use the best settings available on both consoles when they do their comparisons. One thing still confuses me. Why on earth did Sony not make 'Full RGB' the default setting?! *edit* I read some comments below that say that not all TV sets support the 'Full RGB' setting. They need to have HDMI, and not all HDMI ports are good enough either. In that case I don't think GT should use it. They should only use settings that don't depend on what TV you own. @below - Oh, ok. This subject is making me dizzy =) I'm out lol!
All t.v.'s with hdmi do support full rgb. But there are some older/smaller hdtv's that do not support hdmi. However, most of us with hdtv's do have access to hdmi on our t.v.'s.
THE COLORS DO LOOK WAY BETTER. I just turned it on and I see a big difference. This must be why some says that PS3 versions of some multi-platorm games looked washed, but to me it doesn't.
@ hazeblaze... no...not all HDMI equipped tv's support Full RGB color range...its pretty common on any new HDTV, but there are some 4-5 year old HDMI equipped televisions that do not support it at all... on a tv that doesn't support it, you will get over amplified shades of red...some claim it to make a strange pink contrast over everything...depending on the tv, some may be overly bright, or overly dark...the picture is still watchable...it just looks like someone set the color correction and contrast all wrong...and adjusting the tv settings will usually just make it worse... that is why limited is the default setting on the PS3...the 360 must automatically adjust that setting if it figures out that the attatched television doesn't support it...or you just have to manually turn it to limited...
I did the change on my PS3 when I started playing AC and then found the article about changing your settings and mannn was it different, the details look sharper, colors look stronger and the lighting looks more clear. It is very noticeable kind of like when you switch from component cables to HDMI.
I attached a test pattern just to help us PS3 guys out. I have a 42" Ph9uk Panasonic plasma which I run HDMI to my PS3. If I set my PS3 to RGB full and adjust my brightness to barely show 4% above video black, it completely crushes all the whites. If I set it to limited under the same scenario, the whites are progressively whiter to the whitest white. Damn, thats alot of whites in one sentence. For my display, clearly limited is the best. Hope this test pattern helps you guys out.
i use it!
That bottom pic pwns. I loved when they added that on the FW update, I noticed a difference from day 1.
i use it, i think every ps3 owner take advantage of it, just goes to show you how big of a douche bag the people over at GT are.
I just don't understand why Sony didn't make it the default setting instead of making you turn it on.
@sticky doja Your panel has to support it or else it wont do jack
Because it wasn't an option at launch and added on a FW update later, and also you need an HDMI connection to use it.
yeah its a feature that only newer televisions have in the first place...as well as the superwhite option... older HDMI equipped tv's don't react to this...they look the same with both...so don't think that this will make a ps3 (or 360 game) look any better on every single HDMI equipped television... but whatever capture device GT uses does support it...and they deemed it necessary to allow it activated on one system...and not the other...because it is not the default setting on the PS3, they left it out...which immediately throws all credibility right out the window...
I use it, to my 52xbr4. It's a visual orgasm
So why doesn't GT show their stuff with RGB? They should... Just look at the helmet. Its SO much sharper on the FULL RGB than not. Does the "Box" have RGB capabilities? If not TOO bad for them!
yeah that is why the GT forums have imploded today... the PS3 and 360 both have RGB full capabilities(assuming its a 360 with an HDMI output...however I believe all 360s do not support SuperWhite, or other HDMI 1.3 features)... the default setting on the 360 is set to on...the PS3 default is set to "limited", which is the first picture above...so basically...on the equipment GT uses to create, what they claim to be unbiased, video comparisons... the 360 feed looks like the lower picture of sigma...and the PS3 feed looks like the upper... fair and unbiased isn't it?...GT says "we just use whatever deafault settings the system is set up with"...which I guess is ok...but in either case they know one has a clear advantage over the other...a small disclaimer such as "we set both systems to Full RGB support for our comparisons, but do not use superwhite on the PS3, because the 360 does not support it"...or something...would totally show that they are commited to making a fair comparison... the best part is this however: I remember when GT, and other sites, would not use HDMI at all for video comparisons...because it gave a clear advantage to the PS3 (prior to the release of the Elite in late Apr. 07...no 360's had an HDMI output)... however when the 360 does get HDMI support, they allow it to have settings for the best picture possible...yet not on the PS3...do these websites realise how silly they look when it comes to stuff like this?
In other words PS3 games look washed out and blurry unless you play them on a TV that supports only the newer HDMI ports? If that's true it's obscene... If the 360 version in GT's comparison video is using HDMI, the PS3 version should be shown using HDMI as well. Btw, why would the 360 is version be using HDMI? It seems kinda fishy. GT said "We play both systems on default settings with the same cabling.". From what I know HDMI is a cable, right?
nevermind...GT spoke and apparently they use component for both, which has nothing to do with this RGB full stuff... kind of wierd HDMI with limited RGB looks identical to standard component cables though...and yet the 360 doesn't change at all... @ jenzo... I was under the impression that GT was using HDMI cables for both systems...as was everyone reading this stuff (GT never said what they were using exactly, just assumed they were using HDMI since both systems now support it)... RGB full a color function that both the PS3 and 360 support...the original situation was speculated that GT was using RGB full on the 360, and not on the PS3...everyone was told earlier that the capture system for video reviews did indeed support full RGB, yet they "were not using it on the ps3"... so no...the point is...both the PS3 and 360 will looked washed out on an HDTV that does not support full RGB when compared to those that do...you don't notice it unless things are side by side...it was simply GT vagueness that lead some to believe that video comparisons of PS3 and 360 multiplatform games...that full rgb was enabled on the 360, and not on the PS3...thats all...its moot now, despite still having some pretty wierd contradictions... it turns out they aren't even using either systems best picture options...which makes their video comparisons even more pointless...
Lol! GT needs to get their sh#t together =)
For instance I have a Mitsubishi HD1000u front projector (DLP, 720p). RGB Full does not work with it, I had to use limited. If your display is not compatible, everything will be just too dark. No matter how much you turn up contrast (white level) or brightness (black level) things will appear to be too dark. My Hitachi Plasma works fine with it however.
When I first got my PS3 and put in a DVD I had to change it otherwise it the movie would turn pink on my TV. I guess that doesn't happen to everyone. I really thought everyone would try to tweak their settings to get the best picture possible for their TV. Guess I was wrong...
it makes a big difference on my plasma, the colours are far more vibrant, the blacks are black and not dark grey, the whole image is far more crisp,solid and detailed it just makes a massive difference !!
80% of this industry so deal with it. Like i said in the other thread Sonyfanboys: Turn on option a, turn off option b, wiggle option c, fiddle with option d, boggle option e and you get what you want on the ps3. Because of ps3's ""future proof"" 99% of consumers cannot take advantage of nearly all of the ps3's abbilities....
Casuals do make the majority of gamers, but.... These gaming sites and these video comparisons are not made for casual gamers. Casual gamers (in general) are not on this site, casual gamers do not look into video comparison and therefore their argument is stupid.
WilliamRLBaker, stop trying to hide the fact that all comparisons by GT do no justice for PS3. Who sais you have to tweak a bunch of settings? We're talking about one little thing here that makes a giant difference. You go turn it on and vuala, you have a better picture, period... Go moan about your "other" console not supporting RGB full somewhere else, nobody wants to hear your b!tching here
add hdmi and what ever else to a new sku and say up ya bum because the consumer didn't want it then. Yeah, yeah we have to buy a new pad but thats less than buying a new xbox to FULLY optimise the growing numbers of HDTV's people have purchased.
99%? where did you come up with that number? You might as well say a "kajillion bajillion" consumers...you might've sounded smarter. This is an RGB comparison thread showing how big of a difference it makes to use this setting. Of course 100% of PS3 owners can't use this setting, just the same difference as someone not being able to run a pc game at full settings, but it's "future-proof" since it's there in the hardware without needing to add-on or build additional hardware for it to work.
You go to 'Settings' on the XMB, select 'Display Settings', and there you will find the option to turn the RGB range to full. It's not that hard... Hey everyone, look at this, you'll laugh, trust me...
^^^^ hahahahaha...that might be one of the best pics on here ever... and baker...how many casual gamers do you think go and check out GT video comparisons between game...then delv in the forums flinging shat at ps3 owners because everything looks "washed out"... I love how your criticism of a system centers around the fact that it has hundreds of features that not everyone knows about...yeah dude...you got us there...the ps3 sucks because it can do lots of stuff...the 360 is great because what little features it has, the entire population is aware of...awesome...
no matter how many times i look at this picture i can't hold myself from laughing, if you get another pic of 'em, please do post it
Hopefully the ppl at Gt don't think like you or sony is gonna have to change the default RGB setting in an update.
dude i missed the cod4 tourny i wanted to play :( anyway we all know PS3 is powerful but dumasses still blind by these fanbot sites like gt
Saw the difference immediately. Blacker blacks and more vibrant colours without being over saturated. A must for all who can use it. FIX UP GT. We will be misled no longer
But how come the RGB isn't tuned to full?
it wasn't there from the start neither. It was snuck in with one of the updated.
Its a big different
That episode was raw. Oh and the colors perty. Screw u gt!!
Gamers > GameTrailers GT, 0 - 1 trillion
Every electronic product should be tried at it`s beat performance settings. It works like that with everything else, but not with the ps3? Get outta here, fanbot.
yeah...its like comparing a PC game with different quality settings on two different machines...only because one PC has different default settings for the game...
i can a big difference the quality is more crisp. GT bad for comparison movie..
Is this more for the LCD HDTV users? From those pictures, having Full RGB on looks pretty much the same as my HD CRT. The picture is fantastic as is.
Graphics look much better with it on.
Gametrailers got pwned.
Since the day I bought my PS3, just 'cause "RGB Limited" said that...the color would be limited. Totally easy to figure out. I actually tried it on limited after finding out a while back that GameTrailers.com records all PS3 footage in RGB Limited, and it looked like CRAP, just as they proved the entire year. It's funny that GameTrailers actually stands by their deliberate decision to downgrade the video quality of PS3 titles presented on their site.
There is something very very wrong with the gaming media.
I think its funny how GT explains why they dont turn on full RGB. Lets say you are a rewier at a automobile magazine and should review two cars. One is with automatic transmission and the other one is with both automatic and manual transmission but the AT is default. If you change to manual transmission you will get 40extra horsepower and a more joyable ride of the car. Do you think for a second that the car revier will not tell or test the manual transmission because it´s not default from the factory? Why don´t GT show us the PS3 picture from the original multi-out, the HDMI cable is not default. I think they got caught and now tries to explain them selves with stupid comments that are equally to politicians (or how it´s spelled) explanations to obvious things
good point...the car thing is a little unrealistic, but points out what is wrong with some websites... and very true...why not just use the standard composite cable that the PS3 comes with...in 480i no less...thats the default ps3 cable isn't it?...would that be too obvious?...that would be no different than what they are currently doing, based on why they said they did it...
lovely, huge difference when i first switched it on.
It does look better on full RGB but I think if you are playing a game that is set in a really dark environment limited might be better. Then set it back to Full for other games. It is nice that Sony gives us these options.
There has always been people supporting one product over the other, but this console war is on a huge scale. And the luky x360 got the media on its side, and alot of people listens to media. Not using the best best options for the ps3 is fanboysm at its best. Is like they didn`t want to like the ps3, so they gave the x360 the advantage. Many people made a decission after seeing the vids
You have to wonder though. Why is it that the media is so biased against the PS3? Is it because of the price? The price is reasonable now. Is it the North American media wanting "their" brand to succeed? Are certain media outlets being "bribed/paid off"? Or is it the fact that everyone wants the "king" to fall? The whole gaming industry would make a great paper!
answer is easy. Look at PC industry and what happened.
Because it is on Blu Ray, and the XB360 does not support that...
Strange scoring for PS3 games, backed up with dumb down settings to make the images look less than optimal. Question is - did the first dumb down the settings before they reviewed the titles? There is something really bad going on in the gaming media. How many more such scandals is needed?
To be fair, it really shouldn't be so complicated to configure the PS3's display settings. I spent hours tinkering with mine to get the picture the way I wanted it. I don't understand why it needs to be so time consuming.
How many settings were you messing with? There's only a few options. I tweaked my settings, but it took me all of 10 min.
Well, it's more than just the RGB and super-white stuff. There's all of the DVD and Blu-ray playback options to configure, too. I spent some quality time with trying to get the best out it.
That picture comparisons pretty much sums it all up and I think Meus Renaissance is right about the something being wrong with the gaming media. In the past something like this wouldn't happen and game sites we used to respect are spewing out garbage these days.
Somebidy's been PAID OFF! SO OBVIOUS! Let's see, who is in the practice of THROWING around money like nobody's business? hummmmmmm.... Microshaft, and their partner companies, are giving North American business practices and corporations a BAD NAME! Assholes!
...that is why Kutaragi-san had to step down, because he was too outspoken and too bold, they ushered in a new format w/ Blu-ray and declared that it and the CELL would change our living rooms and the world (they pissed off a lot of people!!!) and 360 apologists weren't going to have it --- and this is payback. This is calculated payback and what's even worse we could've NEVER known. CFW - Completely Fkn Whack.
Great sample u hold there. It look way better and by the way I'm also use it ^__^