GT Admit They Don't Turn On Full RGB On The PS3 For Comparisons
I assume they would want to make the games look the best they possibly could on their respecitve consoles. Using the best cables, settings etc.
How is this be sacrificing their integrity?
Edit: If this forum post is even true
Under what conditions is "Full" supposed to be turned on anyway? How should you know to turn on "full" and not leave it set to normal? Do they turn on the "expanded" option for the 360 when they do these tests?
Originally Posted by DeusAmbrose
I'm curious about the Copy-Protected HD deal. If its true that the signal is blocked then I can understand at least to an extent. If it is the case they have no place doing these comparisons at all. Comparisons are intended generally to show something at its greatest potential. In a race, a runner doesn't jog more slowly because the other competition isn't capable. Thats complete bullshit.
If this whole HD signal blocked thing ends up being inconsequential to video games, and only applies to movies (which would make sense) then they need to answer for this outrage. I hate seeing injustice. The 360 was created with SD in mind, HD was an aftethought in response to the Playstation. Its design lends itself better to Standard Definition.
If the Playstation is capable of better visuals, but is hindered by puroseful handicap, then the comparison is unfair and void of credibility. Fanboyism aside, which I hope I am free of by saying I'm concerned mostly for the journalistic integrity here and not the Playstation in particular, I think this is outrageous and the equivalent of some carnival/tabloid ranting lie and is nothing but a medium to increase ratings and forum posts.
The fact that they've taken notice isn't enough penance. Either make the comparisons faithful to full potential, or don't make them at all. For christ sake.
No they use the standard setting because it looks fine through component, the expanded setting is pretty much for VGA people.
Most of these sites have debug units to run review code so that excuse is not valid.
Not sure what options 360 debug units have. They may not have HDMI at all unless they were changed out for newer versions.
This is really stupid. Maybe they should do a little work and show gamers how to best set up all three consoles. I'm sure all of them have some settings that might help things look or sound better. Or just run better. Instead they're taking the lazy way out. I'd like to see someone do a report on what a lot of the settings mean and if they help. And if they help on old standard TVs.
Who is the idiot who disagreed with me? How can anyone disagree? All I said was they should do some research and tell us how to optimize all three consoles. Anyone who clicked disagree on that is a moron.
They should say what tv are they using, cables, and settings. That should be a real comparison.
Actually, I understand where this guy from GT is coming from. I mean, "Joe User" isn't necessarily going to be tweaking his console's settings. I know thats pretty general and a lot of us do tweak. But the common user doesn't really know or care that much. They just want to play the game and therefore "out of the box" is probably the best way to do the comparison for all consoles.
WE know how to get the best picture out our respective consoles. But most do not
With that said, perhaps they should take the time to do a second comparison that shows what the games look like when the settings are tweaked. I would go so far as to create a FAQ explaining what is happening and refer to that FAQ from the comparisons.
Just my two cents, which over the course of time has deflated, to a whopping $0.00002 and is therefore worthless! LOL!
X360's default setting is FULL RGB
PS3's default setting is PARTIAL RGB
This is why PS3 games AT DEFAULT settings look washed out when compared to x360's ones
well Darkness,Oblivion looked better on PS3 even at PARTIAL setttings
X360 doesnt allow you to change from FULL ---PARTIAL / VICE VERSA
X360 doesnt even have HDMI 1.3.
On the other BARELY any ps3 owner uses RGB rather than an HDMI cable(1.3 supported).
ANY MULTIPLAT games looks better on PS3 because of HDMI 1.3 support
What a shame for GT?
another MS moneyhats like 1up and Gamespot
@jason henry BELOW
there is nothing to do with the WHITE setting
On ps3 just change your setting of VIDEO INPUT ---> RGB ----> change from PARTIAL to FULL RGB
On X360 there is nothing like that
*************************Howe ver ALL MULTIPLAT games LOOK BETTER ON PS3 since PS3 supports HDMI 1.3
a PS3 game on HDMI 1.3 looks much better than any x360 game on HDMI 1.2
JUST to let you know that there are a few X360 models (including elite and the new premiums) that actually has an HDMI port
what is the point of having HDMI port if it doesnt support HDMI 1.3
no x360 cannot change from FULL to PARTIAL and vice versa
there is just a single setting on X360.
X360 doesnt support HDMI 1.3 . Any GAME MULTIPLAT on PS3 looks wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than the x360 counterpart on ANY SETTING feturing HDMI/COMPONENT/RGB
jason henry aka jason 360
just stop with your WHITE/BLACK bullcrap
x360 is an inferior console and hence all multi games look inferior on it
GAMESRADAR agrees with us on this. GT is irrelevant cuz they are BUSTED
@the BOT below
all HD TVs support RGB FULL
all HD TVs support RGB FULL (RGB is not used to output 1080p. It is confined to 1080i/720p ONLY) RGB doesnt support 1080p for GAMES as WELL AS MOVIES
some SD TVs support RGB full
X360's default setting :- RGB full . downscales automatically to PARTIAL on SD TV
PS3's default setting :- RGB pARTIAL . cannot automatically upscale to FULL and has to be done manually
HWOEVER all PS3 models support HDMI 1.3
no x360 model support HDMI 1.3
ANY MULTI GAME on HDMI 1.3 looooks milessssss better than the x360 counterpart.
MEANING ----ALL MULTI GAMES at optimal settings look better on PS3
Yes you can change your reference level on the 360. I have to do it when I use a computer monitor as my screen because the Monitor has a different white default reference level than my LCD TV.
You should not have to change it (on either console) unless you need to change the reference level because of the TV/monitor you are using has as its default white reference level.
your TV supports RGB Full. not all TVs do.
What bafoon buys a PS3 or 360 and doesn't optimize the settings for his own personal setup? Fcking morons!
GT: "we just leave the resolution at 480, HD is for pu$$ies."
360 has RGB?
that GT dont uses good settings for ps3 when comparing it with 360!
That's a lie, neither system starts in HD so it has to be changed from "default" for the start. They're changing settings just to play on the "same cabling". -_- L
Tanod obviously doesn't get out much.
Owning niether system the only thing these comparisons have showed me is that both versions of the games previewed were usually identical. I always knew that the washed out could be either be compinsated for on the PS3 or on the tv itself. Only thing I looked for in the comparisons were missing details (like trees and stuff in the background) and dips in frame rate. Shaders may sometimes look slightly different because during porting they had to be re optimized to work for the specific hardware, but really thats the only differences your going to see in multiplats.
Even without optimization unless you are playing the games side by side your not going to notice or be dissapointed.
No point at trying to find differances in geometry or textures, no point in any developer changing an asset for a already completed game, only thing that needs to change is the engine that runs the game.
Onto the HDMI 1.3 rants.
even if you recorded the 360 using component and the PS3 using HDMI 1.3 your not going to see a differance on a GT HD 480P compressed comparison video.
While obviously a pure digital signal has its benifits, just like the comparisons your only really going to notice the differances if you have two tvs side by side.
For example at work I have two 19" LCDs one is connected to vga and the other DVI (same exact thing as HDMI) and honestly I can barely tell the differance, the vga is slightly fuzzier, but is only relly noticable at text, looking at a picture or something like that its extremly difficult to tell them apart.
Bottomline no real reason to be mad at game trailers, its not like they are claiming that a certian version looks better.
Fanboys are gay and will always see extra detail on their system that really isnt there.
BTW decided to say something before some uninformed fanboy decided to argue with me about DVI and HDMI. Remove the audio layer from HDMI and you have the same exact thing, while the protocols may vary its like sending a BMP in a RAR or a ZIP file the end result is the same exact thing. Analog methods like component or VGA would be comparable to send the image as a jpeg instead.
By this logic they would also film PS3 with default composite cables.
I do not understand Sony. When i bought my PS3 off a guy, i thought he screwed me over and kept the HDMI cable. Then to find out that it comes with composite I realized who truly screwed me over. HDMI cables are not expensive.
The instructions for optimizing your screen are horrible in box and online.
For a system with an HD format, and supposedly the best High def graphics in games is it not a bit insulting to un-box your composite cable?
Buried but I have tried full off and full on. Full on is way better, at least for me. I've read some say it's better to turn it off on blu-ray.com, It depends on the TV. The colors 'POP' much better for me with it on.
There you go 360ers, read it for your self.
now run along kiddies and continue on w/ your horrible week.
rofl, some guy on the GT forums posted this picture:
I take original Doom over COD4!
Also nice avatar :P I see you changed it. Is it same person?
Asain Women FTW!
great pics rofldings..........looks like a cod4(360) v resistance fall of man(ps3) comparison. j/k
well even on a FULL RANGE RGB the comparison is still not VALID.
All PS3 models support HDMI 1.3
a few X360 models support BUT ONLY and TILL HDMI 1.2
so any multiplat game would look better on PS3
GT----shame on you. MS moneyhats
hahaha! lol at that pic. seriously that made me life. nice find rofldings
That was the funniest thing I've read all day. It does look like COD4 vs Resistance..
Go on and keep making excuses for your console Sony cry babies. Despite what the wacko group on here thinks, GT is respected as the most reliable game comparisons on the net.
@rofldings That picture is sweet, i laughed my ass off. TANOD we don't need the microsoft conspiracy theories, they aren't paying people off to give bad reviews or make sure settings are tweaked!
Busted like this guy!
GT did LAME thing, instead of showing BEST image they could get from BOTH systems, they just show default.
This good for CASUALs, but NOT for GAMERs.
bubbles for u!!
Hey can someone do a "Super-white" comparsion? cuz i cant see any difference between the 2 settings on it. Maybe its my TV cant do it (I have a Samsung LN-T3753H)
Why not put the most optimal settings on for BOTH systems and see how the comparisons come out? That would sort out most of the arguments in the comments of GT.
It seems to me they like to create a fanboy battleground when there is a compromise which would not undermine either system.
:EDIT: Who is approving this rubbish, it might not even be true.....
Surely the whole point of a comparison video is to show how good each game can look? The forum also sheds light on the fact that videos from the different formats are compresed seperately - with what looks like different settings, before they are then editted together and recompressed for the web.
This clearly means that when you are watching a split screen, you can have more video artifacts on one side of the comaparison than on the other.
Whichever machine this favours, it clearly shows thas such comparison videos are not worth the time it takes to watch them.
If you really want to know what the games look like on their respective formats, the best way is to go to atrusted retailer to view a demo..
LJWooly, he didn't quite catch you on your grammer. While it does appear that starting a sentence with a conjunction is an American idiosyncrasy, that doesn't mean that its totally incorrect either.
Please refer to the following link.
Basically, it appears that while not the best solution, it is acceptable for "informal" writing, while formal documents should avoid the practice of starting a sentence with a conjunction at all times.
I hope this helps. I only mention this because I was curious on the correctness of the usage as well.
This comes from the forum? im not sure if this can really be trusted.
EDIT @ maka, yeah just read more, seems pretty legit.
Slowly but surely all this PS3 bashing is gonna have to come to and end. All these 'unbias' media sites would have to stop running on train they all ran on in '07. It was easy to do dirt on the ps3 last year even if it was a lie, or in this case bs settings. I just hope this year everyone realizes that all the lame excuses about the ps3 have dried up
edit\ por que douche??? it sounds legit to me
Soon the PS3 droids are going to have to stop making excuses and accusations. The crap that everyone is paid off to hate Sony, dev's haven't learned The Cell, etc. Everyone is at fault here but Sony.
From someone who owns both systems(and really if you don't own both you should really STFU about comparisons) I see the problems between mutliplatform games on the PS3 vs. 360; this stuff isn't made up.
That would completely defeat the purpose of making money on fools
default settings? thats a bit strange...jsut like with the PC they will let you know how it runs on an optimum system...the only reason they let you know how a lower spec PC runs games is due to the fact many folk will have low spec PC's! But with a 360 and ps3, every1 has the same hardware, so therefore they should set the 360 and ps3 settings to optimum!
Else, their comparisons are basically useless...where the game may look better on the 360 or the ps3, when actually it isnt!
... if/when a game comes out that runs at 1080p native on the PS3, but only 720p on the 360, they will completely discount the 1080p option on the PS3 for a "fair" comparison.... Man they talk out their @rses!!!
That's about what they are saying. Set all the machines to optimal settings and show the videos. If it does truly run better on one versus the other (whether 360 or PS3) then so be it. But I want it the best it can be.
I smell a strong scent of PWNED!
ah my personal favourite fragrance!!
Try SEX PANTHER!
Omg they don't turn on an optional setting. The end is near!! First off comparison videos are silly and are only around to start a fight not to compare so... oh well. It would be better if they used a HDTV for one and a standard for the other. I'd be more inclined to see that one. My bets on the standard tv lookin better ;)
I personally like to see these videos...not for the fanboi side in me..but for the reason I actually have a ps3/360/PC so if one looks better, or controls better, or has less lag etc etc then I will get that version...
While true you cannot see if one controls better by a video and lag is an issue on many factors. You can certainly tell if it looks better thru a website that has gone thru multiple compressions to get it on the website in the first place as well.
Ah well I know my voice is the minority hense the 3 disagrees ^^
yeah sorry, forgot to say, i dont just rely on a video comparison, I always go onto sites like metacritic to see what the general consensus is with review scores...and then go into a specific review like IGN or something to see what they say.
as for lag, its even more annoying that if you chose to get one game which say for example didnt look quite as good on one system, but had no lag, that then later the lag issue might be fixed with a patch, but the gfx on other system were still bad!
not that has ever happened to me, but it will one day haha
Should this turn out to be true, how lazy is this? We are talking about the changing of two settings, all of about ten seconds work!
Could someone explain to me how this would "be sacrificing the integrity of the video"?
Its not that they won't...its that they can't. They stated they can not capture video via HDMI due to the handshaking problem. The only way they could do this if they have a dev kit basically.
Strange. It seams to me the one most exited over these comparisons videos are fanboys. No other cares about it.
This is exactly why you can't trust this type of stuff. Can you imagine if a reputable company like "Consumer Reports" did this sort of thing? "Well, this Bose stereo with a full spectrum graphic equalizer doesn't sound as good as the JVC single speaker boom box we got from Walmart because we aren't allowed to adjust the sound settings on either unit . That wouldn't be FAIR to compare the systems that way."
Give me a break!
And the sad thing, we on this forum get this sort of information. Other people are looking at those videos and taking them as fact. Very lame, guys. Very lame.
If people are complaining that the PS3 version is "washed out" and full-rgb fixes that, turn it on.
Hell might as well run them on a black and white TV if your not going to optimize settings. If the 360 cant do it, thats the WHOLE POINT OF COMPARISON. You see which version can get the best graphics, not tweak the settings to reach the point of your satisfaction
I said they do this a few months ago. It's nonsense in all honesty. There is a feature there that improves the video quality of the PS3, I don't know why Sony made it optional, but it just goes to show you GT have the most unprofessional and stupid viewpoint.
They create COMPARISONS yet admit that its not actually representative of a real comparison. What nonsense is that? If both consoles had an option where it boosted the output, then do that, and compare it. Just because the 360 doesn't make it an option, it does it straight away, doesn't mean if you select the option for the PS3 that you are mis-balancing the comparison; you are actually making it more fair. And to make it more fair, they don't state this little fact in the video comparisons! What the...
Because people will watch this videos, and assume the 360 has better visuals for these games. What do GT expect to achieve from this? It's pathetic.
So GameSpot influencing their reviews to keep the money rolling in, and now GT intentionally leave PS3 videos to look worst than 360 counterparts. What next..honestly, there is no credibility left in this industry any longer.
Sony should have a firmware update that turns on Full RGB and that other setting by default IMO
I agree. That would force GT to re-do all their PS3 comparison videos as well.
thats the best idea i`ve heard in a while.
seriously they need to turn it on by default.
it`s very pathetic,
but the GOOD NEW is, it`s all coming to a end.
I've heard some HDTV's can't handle Full RGB.
Edit: They created an "Unofficial RBG Full Range compatible tv list" thread over @ Playstation forums about it.
afterall, we know which console is the most powerful, so why not "dumb it down" to meet the breakbox standards? SICKENING. We should've been looking at 360/Wii comparisons all along (if the Wii had any nex-gen games w/o stolen technology).
This is even further evidence corellating that fact.
Now to put that GT link in the same folder as the Gamespot link... This folder is getting pretty hefty these days, what with all of the sites getting called to the carpet for months of BS articles and unwarranted Sony bashing.
Oh, the folder name... Recycle Bin.
So I guess when they go and review a game on PC they will always use the minimum requirements for the said game in order to do their comparison!
No!!! They will have the computer fully tricked out in order for the game to look it's best, max settings all the way!
That's BS!!! They know it and now everybody else knows it.
That is just ridiculous they would do this. If both systems are set so that an optimal experience is enjoyed then an accurate comparison can be made. Simple!!!
Damn!!! Now freakin' Gamtrailers is on my Sh@% list.
"We refused to press the "Racing Mode button" on our BMW and tested it at the default setting so we will be fair at the comparison, and yes the Toyota performed better as you can see.. "
This makes every video comparison from GT now invalid, irrelevant, or if anything, we should consider before viewing that the PS3's output would look better on our screens than it does on the monitor.
To me, this is a worst scandal than the GameSpot affair.
I Totally agree, and will be contacting sony this week. So in a future firmware update it will be the default setting.
But guess what, GT probably won't upgrade.
Come on GT just admit, your 360 fangirls.
lol @ the fanboys commenting teh video on that site.
I just started to watch the vid and just had to stop it 20 seconds in because it's just rediculous as you can see the PS3 version APPEARS inferior--but now with this admission of ignorance we know it's propaganda at best.
How blatantly ignorant is the logic that they dumb down one version so it fits more with the way the casual gamer will view it. Um, hey stupid, guess who views these comparisons- hardcore gamers. The dumbest part of this all is that the people they gear this crap tactic towards (casual joe schmoe's) won't even be looking up a comparison video, they buy the game as is and never think twice about it. The irony....
Yeah you do, otherwise you wouldn't use and abuse them as often as you have been.
You know what version owners of both will most likely choose? Their console of choice. Why? Familiarity with the controller, the OS, online capabilities, etc.
Anyone with half a brain does not need some lame comparison video to tell them what to buy. There were some pretty major discrepancies in the beginning, and even then it was only for a handful of titles. There's nary a difference between two games on the consoles now, so nitpicking about a slight difference in graphics won't matter much.
Fanboys generate hits. Fanboys stir things up so the normal folk wanna see what all the ruckus is about. That is exactly why they do it.
I support their reasoning behind the lack of RGB, as that makes sense, but regardless, I do think that their reason for the comparisons themselves are contrived.
nothin but conspiracy against ps3
EDIT: guess the disagrees from 360 fans how can you disagree when the evidence is in front of you? as a ps3 owner this is just further proof theres a conspiracy against ps3 but we ps3 owners are united and 2008 is going to be one helluva year
I had always wondered why the vids were always so washed out...
Pretty Lame; getting punished for ensuring compatability w/older TV's.