TDK: HD DVD has no chance in HD war

Young Capwn - 798 days 2 hours ago

Agreed. BD pwnd HD-DVD

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Baron79 - 797 days 19 hours ago

HD-DVD is better in every aspect except studio support.
(And honestly the 3 best studios all Support HD-DVD, Universal, Paramount and WB, the first 2 being exclusive.)
But you won't be able to watch Transformers in Hi-Def
anywhere but on HD-DVD (and maybe XBL)And with the new 51 GB HD-DVD disc on it's way ,it will actually has more space then Blu-Ray. Do your reserch before you just post things that you think are happening.Go play your 2 medicore PS3 games and don't comment on Hi-Def movie watching.

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actionjackson - 797 days 18 hours ago

I hate to point out the obvious, but Hitachi just announced the BD-100, which is a 100 GB BR disk. This disk is also readable with a simple firmware update to existing BR players, including the PS3. Therefore, Blu-Ray actually has almost double the capacity as HD-DVD. Please don't knock people for doing their research.

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Baron79 - 797 days 18 hours ago

For telling me somthing I already know. Like you need 100gb to watch HD Movies. Plus I don't care what Hitachi or BDA says, they lie all the time. I will say it is just science fiction till I see it, just like Batman Begins on Blu-Ray. Also no one above my comment stated any facts just immature Bluray pwned HD-DVD crap,What are they talking about? It is not my fault you wasted your money on a game machine that plays movies.

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Jandre02 - 797 days 17 hours ago

Your opinion Iz not fact. It a fact that 100 Iz larger the 50. Its a fact that more companies support bluray. Its a fact that you are the one who need to read up a little more.

Zorry my ezz button iznt workin on my iphone lol.

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cuco33 - 797 days 16 hours ago

although I do lean more towards one side.

BD is by no means better or superior than HD DVD. The only ones preaching this is Sony and BDA (and we've already gotten how many lies form their side?) as well as the Sony fanboys who will believe anything Sony and the BDA says and/or make up their own crud.

Want to know more? Go to a high def forum and read read read. You'll see they both have the same PQ and AQ. It's been agreed upon by many of the brand loyalists who are now converts to being format neutral. The ONLY thing, I repeat the ONLY thing you can get on the other camp for HDM is the exclusive movies in HD. Nature's Journey was the latest film released on both formats and to top it off both versions of the disk were optimized for their own format leading to the end result that NO DIFFERENCE IN PQ/AQ WAS NOTICED!!!!

Since this thread is more about BD in the PC world I'll be on topic. TDK only cares for BD because BD started as a recordable media in the PC market (and eventually made it's way into movies). TDK makes recordable media for the PC market. Go figure that both go hand in hand. But have fun paying the expected $20-40 per BD-R disk. These prices won't be going down either for another 5-10 years.

To note: HD DVD started in the movie side of the disk business like DVD started and is only now making its way into the PC market, hence why you don't see many HD DVD burners or news on them. For disk space for PCs BD is the way as obviously the only thing that is important is capacity. For movies, HD DVD is the way to go due to many reasons like finished spec, cheaper costs overall for same product, etc etc.

EDIT: To below. Let's start just for movies, since you mentioned it and have selective reading. I ask first, how many BD movies do you own that you bought with your own money?! (waits for a made up number)
BD is NOT superior in almost every aspect. I repeat NOT. as in NO as in opposite of YES. NOT superior. I'll list the issues BD has now
1. BD+, Fox publicly thrashed Samsung and LG last week for some of their players not playing Fox's new released BD titles, mind you it was their 1st BD titles in 6months.
2. Disk space is not needed. Dual layers are PLENTY enough. 50gb and 100gb is overkill. Studios also know that the masses have this perception that more disks = better value for movies so why spend extra to pack things on 1 disk for say a tv show season.
3. BD1.1, where is it? Where are the players?
4. BD2.0 where is it?
5. BD-Java = costs more to write, is not better than HDi by any means
6. Sales = 1.5:1 software in favor of BD, that's with about 8-9 times the BD players on the market, removing PS3 since PS3 owners aren't buying BD yields more standalone hardware sold for HD DVD and with better attachment rates the studios look at this
7. all of HDM, both BD and HD DVD, even HD VMD don't even make up 2% of the market
8. BDA's aggressive marketing campaign. What is it now? 5 times that HD DVD was doomed to be dead by now?!
9. I'll end here, the rest is the technical side of things about the unfinished BD spec vs the finalized HD DVD spec that most of you don't even understand nor have the equipment or know someone with the equipment to see/hear yourself.

BD is in shambles right now. Nature's Journey being equal on both formats is another kick to BD's nutsack. I got balls though, I'm about to embrace BD as well with a PS3 purchase but most of my HDM purchases will still be HD DVD.

The only people NOW still saying BD will win, is superior, HD DVD is dead and the like are Sony fanboys, better yet PS3 fanboys.

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cuco33 - 797 days 12 hours ago

OK let me go through this whole explaining thing again.
OWN/OWNED: PS1, PS2, PSP, Sony Vaio Laptop, Sony CRTV, Sony alarm clock, Sony mini radio. Also OWN/OWNED: XBOX1, 360, Wii, Multiple Gaming PCs, and that's just back to PS1 era. I've done the whole gaming thing on all platforms since Colecovision/intelivision/atar i 2600. I also own and love HD-A2 HD DVD stand alone player.

Now to get back to your 2nd editted paragraph: Those 'little' technical issues are issues that clearly shows BD isn't ready and a lot of them is due to an unfinished spec. I'll agree, that with time some of these 'hurdles' will be resolved like some of the major rumored manufacturing issues to name one. Studios and manufacturers are taking sides, some go BD, some go HD DVD. There isn't an 'overwhelming' choice here. Certain companies have been biased towards BD due to the PS3 alone and after already being guilty of it make their choice on going exclusive. Guess what, the HDM market is so small and isn't picking up as it should. The masses don't see a need for HDM yet. Especially at the higher price points. Both sides are working on that aspect of things but it's clear to any neutral non-d*ckriding fanboy that HDM is in trouble if things keep going the way they are.
Note the 'professionals' you speak of are paid by Sony and/or favor BD due to incentives. It's business. If you want your 50gb disk to be packed with infomercials and movie trailers in HD than by all means side with those who are infamous for including it (i.e. Disney, Speilberg, etc). What'll be funny is all the 'classic Spielberg' films are licensed to HD DVD exclusive studios (i.e. Paramount) so unless you want his new work go neutral.
Kind of reminds me of the Transformers director who bashed HD DVD refusing to make the 2nd film thinking HD DVD was crappier than BD, up until he saw 300 in HD DVD, the same movie he saw on BD and realized THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN PQ/AQ! But have fun with those movies that have issues with region coding AND BD+. You know, because FOX being exclusive to BD waited 6 months for it's next BD releases only to fumble the ball in the endzone blaming all others but themselves.

Let me end HDTV media is 'new' now but has existed in PCs for a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time already and a 'new' resolution for HDTV is already coming it. It's called 1600P, taking a 1080p (or lower) signal and upscaling it to 1600P. So basically soon as HD DVD and BD are done killing themselves, a NEW unified, better, larger format will rise from the ashes in 1600P natively.

Thanks for playing.

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kydrice - 797 days 23 hours ago

HD-DVD did not release with 50gb discs...Toshiba BARELY made a 51gb disk that's right a triple layer 15gb HD-DVD disk. BARELY made it. Which means it's not in production(i think) and soon(days) after that Hitachi released a 100gb Blu-Ray disc though it's not in production yet since they just announced it. Oh and no one is arguing that the HD-format war is more than 1% of course that's how it is now, but it's people like you who can only see as far as tomorrow. Sony sees 20+ years down the line when the HD generation really kicks up. Anyone who says Blu-Ray and the HD generation will never happen or just isn't needed is kidding themselves, you're no better than Bill Gates when he said no one will EVER need more than 5kb of storage, well it would seem he was extremely mistaken. 20 years from now HD will be the norm and DVDs will be the CDs and LaserDiscs of yore. Go buy more HD-DVDs because soon they'll be nothing but collector's items or really neat coasters.

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Makroyale - 797 days 23 hours ago

Both formats put together make up 5% of the whole DVD market now, so get some updated information.

On average the picture quality is superior? They both use MPEG4, so if the transfer is the same the picture will be as well. Compare any recent release from Warner to it's HD DVD counterpart and the video quality will be exactly the same.

50 GB disks are not rare, in fact almost all newer releases and most release this year use dual layer 50GB disks, so please get your facts straight. Casino Royale was released last March and it uses a Dual layer disk, so I don't know where the hell you're getting your facts from but you need to research a bit before you post BS.

HDDVD is launched at 30GB, not 50 GB, and is still only capable of 30 GB which is why many release don't have lossless audio and Bluray disks do, as they get an extra 20 GB for that purpose.

You are the most uniformed person I've ever seen here.

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kydrice - 797 days 23 hours ago

Wahhh wahh wahhh really. You can spin it any way you want but face it, Blu-Ray is going to end up kicking out HD-DVD so you can present facts and figures with neat graphs and charts but it doesn't change anything in the end. Goodnight everyone! Oh and before I go, YEA EVERYONE IS GOING TO WANT TO UPGRADE TO HOLOGRAPHIC DISCS IN A FEW YEARS AMIRITE? lulz, night.

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kydrice - 797 days 23 hours ago

TDK was not bought out, they were one of the first few companies that started the Blu-Ray team with Sony. They were once neutral way before Blu-Ray and HD-DVD was announced but found the benefits of Blu-Ray to be much better. They were one of the pioneers of the Blu-Ray team. Don't mistaken Sony with Microsoft, who bought out (YES there is proof of facts go search them)Paramount,Dreamworks, HALO from Macintosh and the list goes on. THAT my friend is typical Microsoft business, can't win em, buy em.

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Makroyale - 797 days 23 hours ago

"Durability? rightttt"

Yeah, it is right. HDDVDs are easy to scratch and Bluray disks aren't. Plain and simple.

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Kururo - 797 days 23 hours ago

"Long before the two HD recordable formats had names, TDK developed core technologies for post-DVD products," said Eekhout. "TDK Corporations' research and development efforts were in fields of material research, manufacturing technologies and hard coating.

"We judged the Blu-ray Disc recordable and rewriteable product concepts to be the superior format in terms of capacity, durability and performance. TDK's core technology aligned very well with the BD-R/RE concepts and there exclusively supports the BD format."

These are quotes from the interview. I think these are more credible than anything you have to spew about.

Fact of the matter is, when presented with both formats, they chose blu-ray dics. Well, no kidding they are in this for the money. They are a business you know.

When companies that are neutral go exclusive, they believe it to be more profitable than the other.

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Antiomo - 797 days 19 hours ago

You know whats a fact... your an xbox fanboy that will bash anything that is related to a ps3.

Btw is 4 layers that makes 100 gb's.... let me go over the math 25 gb per layer x 4 = 100 gb woooooooooo. And it seems they are not having trouble with it.

And it has been confirmed hd-dvd needs a hardware upgrade in order to play and read 51 gb discs. Lets say the 100 gb's need a new hard ware upgrade, it does not remove the fact that the 50 gb is better than 30 gb's

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