Unlockables are outdated, says Tekken chief

locos85 - 166 days 23 hours ago

So what will drive us to keep playing after a while if there is nothing to play for? Trophies?

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LiQuiFiedArt - 166 days 23 hours ago

Unlocking characters is more of an annoyance then real "fun", but its always been an annoyance!

Paying to unlock ANYTHING that already exists on the disk should be ILLEGAL. You shouldn't be able to buy a product (Remember you now OWN the disk) and have to pay more to unlock additional content on that very disk you own. Thats straight up fraud and there should be laws against it.

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Tony P - 166 days 22 hours ago

I'm ambivalent because for one, I'm used to unlocking characters and it adds some replay value. On the other hand, if that frees the devs up to make something a bit more worthwhile to unlock, I don't mind.

This is Namco we're talking about and their two big fighters (Soul Calibur and Tekken) have always had ambitious features besides unlocking characters. T5 came with 4 full unlockable games, people. While I don't know if they can match that with T6 (the can definitely try on the blu-ray edition because of the space), I don't think they're going to screw us on replay value.

DLC on the other hand... It's a wait and see.

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 166 days 22 hours ago

Generally speaking with software you own nothing and is only given a license to use the software. Ever read the eula of any software you buy?

This is no different than buying Windows Vista and have all versions on the same disc. You don't get all of them do you?

Now I do detest DLC, especially the kind that normally would be free or included. However, consumers aren't entitled to anything and can vote with their wallets. Apparently the masses have spoken....

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SuperStrokey1123 - 166 days 22 hours ago

@locos85: Umm fun?

EDIT:
WTF, who would disagree that playing a game for fun is more important than playing it for trophies?

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 166 days 22 hours ago

the gazillion trophy/achievement whores that played hannah montana and avatar for points!

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rockleex - 166 days 21 hours ago

You won't be paying for anyone. Unless there's actually more than 40 characters, and the extras are already on the disc waiting for you to pay for DLC. <_<

Anyways, it will be like Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection HD for PS3. All characters unlocked. The only thing you need to do is play the game a lot to get money to buy outfits.

But I still like the old way of unlocking characters, it actually forces you to use all the characters. Just look at Tekken 3 for example. It was so successful because of all the different modes and characters and outfits you could unlock!

Developers are making unnecessary changes to games because they think "times are changing". I guess that's why modern games don't have the same charm as those older classic games.

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kewlkat007 - 166 days 21 hours ago

I actually don't mind unlocking characters, at least it gives you the incentive to fight with different characters(SPAM if you want) and get stuff.

I remember playing Soul Caliber 2 and getting all the characters and doing the missions to get the items. This is all replay value.

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SupaPlaya - 166 days 20 hours ago

Nail in the head.

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nothere413 - 166 days 18 hours ago

IDK, maybe people are just crappier at video games nowadays. You wouldn't believe how many friends I have that have me help them in games whenever I'm over.

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zlatko - 166 days 15 hours ago

With how many fighting games are coming out this year with awesome features I don't get why Tekken wants to have less things we are used to in fighting games?

I really feel the best fighting game of 2009 will be between BlazBlue and King of Fighters 12. I'm currently playing the crap out of BlazBlue and this game is A M A Z I N G!

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FamilyGuy - 166 days 15 hours ago

It pisses me off when devs try to make up fake excuses as to why they charge for new characters. We ALL know they're gonna release more through DLC and we all know it was their plan from the start.

SCIV got away with charging $5 for a character that was %100 on disc and they've lead the trend of what going to keep happening this gen. We'll praise free DLC even though it actually SHOULD be free anyways.

Naruto Ninja storm is the only game to release a bunch of free characters, but they're only support characters and Naruto Ninja Storm has no online fighting/competitive mode.

Anyways, having all the characters unlocked from the go is fine and welcomed because it leaves me with more time to play online and prevents the occurrence of them possibly charing to unlock everything, another thing SCIV that use to be done by cheat codes

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badz149 - 166 days 13 hours ago

unlockables are so last gen! DLC is next gen!! pfft...devs these days! always spit out crap so they can charge SH!T (DLC)!!

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mfwahwah - 165 days 19 hours ago

If you play single player,you have to unlock characters. When you jump online, you have all of the characters unlocked.

That would be ideal for me.

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cranium - 166 days 22 hours ago

Unlockables do add extra replay value to a game. Just look at how MGS4 did with its ridiculous amount of unlockables.
So unlockables=good thing for games.

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CobraKai - 166 days 21 hours ago

Even a simple costume addition like the ones in virtua fighter are enough to make me unlock more and keep playing.

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GIJeff - 166 days 20 hours ago

are supposed to have unlock-able characters. its kind of a standard. this guy is smoking too much crack. i guess the new plan is to give you "all" of the characters and then make you buy new ones a couple weeks after launch. i hate this.

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thehitman - 166 days 23 hours ago

If you play alone and have no friends it gets old fast. I played probably like 4k+ rounds of Tekkan5 DR and the online isnt that bad it has the best of any fighting game I played and they keep improving it and tweaking it. I am very confident that 6 will be worth while,although some unlocks would be nice for SP mode.

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Baka-akaB - 166 days 22 hours ago

Hmm from what i've seen myself , and read , T5 DR is easily one of the worst online experience . between the lag , the blocked regions ....

besides imo , unlockables or not , fighting games are quickly boring if alone , as it should be , it's by essence a multiplayer kind of game .

At most you would play dress up in SC as an ex , or mini games like all SC's modes , but that too burn outs quickly .

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GIJeff - 166 days 20 hours ago

online + fighting game = little b1tches. people cheese balling their way through fights, finding exploits and....exploiting them. i prefer to play locally with fighting games.

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Hi-def freak - 166 days 23 hours ago

this news just knocked alot of points off this game for me....
that alone could of been a few xtra trophies/achievements...

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SuperStrokey1123 - 166 days 22 hours ago

Same here, unlocks are always fun

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3sq - 166 days 21 hours ago

To all the disagrees

http://www.gamersyde.com/ne...

Check out this and you tell me if it looks good.

Soul Calibur 4 and Dead or Alive 4 look way better and those are old games. Hell even Virtua Fighter 5 looks better...

Edit: and what's with the stupid characters/hairs/outfits design lately.
Lame Lame and Lame.

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GIJeff - 166 days 20 hours ago

this is what happens when good games get made to look the same on the ps3 and significantly weaker 360. sorry, if this was a ps3 exclusive it might look MUCH better. oh well, it is what it is.

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mfwahwah - 165 days 19 hours ago

The graphics aren't bad at all. Unless you're a graphics whore. In which case just gtfo!

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Baka-akaB - 166 days 23 hours ago

setting up the easy mode with one round and abusing one single move against a obviously stupid AI (given the level chosen or maybe regardless of it) is hardly a teaching and learning experience ...

And this is precisely what many people actually do with those modes . Not some dreamy and rosy "lets use this opportunity to learn everyone properly" .

Besides imo learning with CPU is a big nono in some games , especially Tekken . You pick up bad habits and reactions because of the cpu's own quirks , that could be troublesome to get ride of for a while .

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LeShin - 166 days 22 hours ago

...if people want to choose easy mode with one round, then of course they won't learn anything. I've never done that as I don't see the point personally.

I totally disagree with your last point. I challenge any newbie to finish Dark Resurrection on ultra hard mode by just button bashing! The CPU blocks practically everything and while some people thinks thats bad, I think it did me a lot of good.

Since the CPU turns into a blocking god, it made me learn about attacking when there's an opening, reversing reversals (chicken), stopping multi part throws, learning character juggles and how to avoid the juggle starters distancing and, most importantly, distancing.

The problem with online is that you can only learn from playing very good players. If they're crap, you probably won't learn much or if there's constant lag. Like I said above, the best way to play Tekken is locally if possible.

Back on topic, I rather the old days were I could brag to my friends "Look at my shiny new character that I unlocked" (Bryan in this example in Tekken 3) than theses days where it's "Hey look at the achievement/trophy I unlocked" which has no real value whatsoever.

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Baka-akaB - 166 days 22 hours ago

Well that what many of us do unfortunately . in my case it's a first reflex , since i want to play locally (and then online) as quickly as possible . Then later i'll deal with enjoying (or not) the story .

The funny thing is , the game fully unlocked changes nothing for you guys , besides some pychological switch, that imo doesnt even exist anyway , since you'll complete any fighting games you own regardless , and even got this generation stuff like trophies and achievements as incentives .

While instead pre-unlocked characters indeed offer actual and contretes advantages , like immediate access to your characters for matches against people , locally or online ... wich is supposed to be the main interest of the game .

Ps : I never mentioned buttons mashing . Tekken's CPU is on god mode on hard , but hell it's often the case with most well done game .
Doesnt change the fact imo that whatever the games , they still got attitudes and quirks that you'll read after a while , maybe too much ...
readings and play habits that could be detrimental imo against real players .
Anyway i guess we'll just diesagree on this , but could agree that playing against people locally is always better .

PS2 : As for braggings rights sorry but meh :p . Until the 00's those games all featured cheats codes , or it was easy to trades saves with memory cards . not to mention that my crowd would ridicule anyone acting as if it was that hard to unlock characters :p

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LeShin - 166 days 21 hours ago

Well I suppose it depends on the people you play with (regarding unlocking characters with cheats) I personally didn't know anyone in my old 'Tekken group' who used cheats to unlock characters, they'd be dissed lol.

But anyway, for me story, endings , cutscenes etc is what actually makes me play with every single character in fighting games. In the original Tekken, I had to play with every single character to see their ending and unlock their counterpart character. That gave me value for money and was a great incentive. I can bet you my house that if all those characters were unlocked from the get go and there was no story, I would have no incentive to play with everyone. I know this from the fact that to this day, I haven't played with all the characters in MVC2 and the Virtual Fighter series and probably never will.

Especially in this day and age, I look for value when forking out £40 on a game. If it's already a solid game and has extras to keep me interested, all the better. Namco knows this to some extent or they wouldn't bother with their extravagant endings to unlock and all those bonus modes.

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mfwahwah - 165 days 19 hours ago

LeShin. I completely agree with you. Except for that comment saying trophies are useless.

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Baka-akaB - 166 days 23 hours ago

It's actually the other way around , them listeing to what people wants .
See you admit it yourself , you'll play it regardless , for endings or other reasons . no need to force the same things down others throat .

PS : i also always do play the story mode completely , i just want to do it on my own wish for the good reasons .
Not when i bought a game , unwrap it , need a character but cant use immediately online or in multi because "hey lets make you jump through hoops so you could learn !! even if you played all previous games of the series"

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GIJeff - 166 days 19 hours ago

SOMETHING unlocks. or i wont bother with single player at all....i might not bother with the game at all now to think of it. ive got like 5 games i havent played that ive purchased. my gaming > my time. :(

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thehitman - 166 days 23 hours ago

Especially about the part when going to friend house and you realize you forgot your memory card and have like no chars... that moment is depressing. Although maybe they couldve just added an old school cheat that unlocks all characters and let the ppl who enjoy unlocking do it.

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GIJeff - 166 days 19 hours ago

who thinks trophies and achievements are retarded.

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