"Its Sad That Games like Wiifit sell" - Valkyria (PS3) Producer

decapitator - 650 days 1 hour ago

I dont disagree with him at all but then again, the wiifit isn't aimed at gamers. It is aimed at non-gamers who seem to be the ones buying the wii.

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PS360WII - 650 days ago

Stop with the silly only non-gamers buy the Wii. That's like saying people only buy the PS3 for the BluRay player.

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Drekken - 650 days ago

lol they arent nongamers, they just like no play things that arent games... but if it is a game please make it nice a pixelated and ugly, that is the only way!

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NO_PUDding - 649 days 20 hours ago

PS360wii,

to be honest People don't buy PS3 for Blu-Ray, but it was an awful analogy becuase Wii owners aren't real gamers. I would say all my friends liek to game, casually. But the only people I know with a Wii are a family with two young girls and a married couple who work all the time.

IT IS a fad
IT WON'T sell Third party titles becuase of that
HOWVER, it is also a great basis for the Nintendo next generation. Perhaps they can seperate the Wii 2 from the SDNES (super-duper nintendo entertainment system).

Just basically it's a complete developer hostile console, so the developers that like makign cool games, don't go to Wii. They like the idea of it, but it's not profitbale. And that is where the Wii stays a fad.

I truely believe that.

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permutated - 649 days 20 hours ago

I'm a Wii owner and I've been a hardcore gamer for over 18 years.

Just because it's fun doesn't make it bad, and the first party games are spectacular. The rest of the 3rd party-casual crap I could really do without.

Just don't say that all Wii-owners are non gamers or casual gamers, that's a stupid statement that shows a very closed-minded, fanatic approach.

I have a Wii, a PSP, and a 360. How am I a casual or a non gamer?

Whats with all the new labels anyway? Remember when we used to just play games and have fun? What happened to alot of people that made them so focused on a definable image? Besides, are you so insecure about yourself that you need to label everyone so that you can clearly define yourself as not being a part of that group? How insecure are you?

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TheTwelve - 649 days 20 hours ago

I agree with the general hardcore gamer's disgust with the Wii. I think the Wii is a silly, cheesy, childish, dumbed-down disgrace to gaming. I even hate the name "Wii". I hate saying it, hate writing it, and hate how people who know nothing about gaming say it with ignorant pride.

But you know what? That's just my opinion. I come from a different gaming tradition. I don't admire Mario. I think Smash Brothers is childish and makes people act stupid. But that's just ME.

While I do believe that the Wii is a fad, and I laugh at people who try to measure it up in anyway to the PS3 or 360, we have to give credit where credit is due. If the name of the game is to make money, Nintendo has done that. There's nothing wrong with Nintendo taking advantage of a sector of people that we didn't know would buy a console.

Most of us are threatened by the Wii because we think all of gaming will go to "Wii" standards. We think we will lose our traditional and trusted franchises to the Wii, and see them disgraced. But while this is happening to a few franchises, it won't happen to 99% of them because we hardcore gamers are still a market that must be attended to.

I think it's very prideful and stupid for people to say that Wii games are not games. If anything, Wii games are way more normal than what we hardcore gamers play. If anything, we are the ones that have to make sure we still live in reality. At least the Wii represents games as they are....GAMES...and not an OBSESSION.

But I think it's also stupid to think that the Wii is somehow the new face of gaming. It's a fad. It's bought by people who don't game normally. It's third party games suck and don't sell as a result. The Wii will rise and fall very quickly because of this.

I personally hope the Wii crashes and burns very quickly. But I know that that is the irrational part of me talking, the part that doesn't want the Wii to threaten anything to do with my PS3. :)

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permutated - 649 days 20 hours ago

12:

How does the releases on one system effect a different one? Other than standards I mean, it poses no threats.

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forum_crawler - 649 days 17 hours ago

...keep saying that 3rd party games don't sell well on the wii? Have these "well informed" people missed the sales figures of games like:

1. Guitar Hero 3.
2. Resident Evil 4.
3. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games.

... just to name some?

As far as the article goes, well, it just seems like the guy is sore that more people are buying other software than his. I mean, the nerve of some people. How dare they have a CHOICE.

@TheTwelve
I don't think you have to worry about games settling for "wii standards" (which I assume refers to graphics) because that isn't the trend. Look at Gears of War. The game is ok on the 360, but it truly shines on a PC where you have access to full anti-aliasing, and all the graphics goodies you want. So, you can always count on a platform that will support the best graphics possible; just make sure you don't expect that platform to be a console...

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fenderputty - 649 days 23 hours ago

and you consider what you do to be an artform, then it would seem natural to want to progress. The Wii, while appealing to large quatities of people with it's controller, is a step back in power. It doesn't give devs the opportunity to go crazy and see what they can accomplish like the 360 and PS3 do. Technology progresses exponentially and with it, so has video games. Why couldn't the Wii progress just a little more too.

BTW ... I didn't disagree with you.

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Tempist - 649 days 22 hours ago

I think what he means is Wii Fit and Wii Sports are watering down the gaming industry. Yeah it's what happens when you branch out to other markets.

In all fairness he's trying to protect his own game and future stakes. If everyone is buying Wii Fit and ignoring his game where does that lead him to make new games.

Personally Wii Fit should be classed as an interactive fitness simulator. It's not a game by modern terms.

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desolationstorm - 649 days 22 hours ago

Going crazy is not guarenteed by hardware power. It could go either way, because there are more risks involved with creating beautiful games on the 360/ps3. So in some aspects you might see some poeple take risks and make truely spectacular games but you could also see companies shy away and stick with what works.

As for this guys comments its kinda stupid. Its not like casual gamers are ruining the market they are being brought into the market with hopes that they can be turned into bigger gamers who want to play mroe hardcore games. Will it always work no, is it worth the shot yes. Because even if 1:5 ratio of people that buy the wii can be swayed into bigger gamers then the market has grown.

Plus bringing in casuals further expands the market and expands the gaming industry. Not every movie, cd or book is put out to the same crowed so why should gaming not follow the same way. There are a ton of poeple in the world that could become gamers. Witht he success of the wii theres an oppturnity to expand the market and try and bridge the gap between gamers and non gamers. Sony did this abit in a differnt way with their systems they expanded the market by making games seem cool. So why not be happy that nintendo is expanding the market by making games seem easy and fun?

Though I do agree that Id like to see some mroe hardcore games come out for the wii, but there needs to be companies that take notice when hardcore games do sell on the wii which they do. Not all the time but hey not every game sells on every system.

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forum_crawler - 649 days 17 hours ago

But developers who want total graphics freedom should consider the PC instead. That way there are no limits, other than PC customers are harder to impress...

So don't knock the Wii for offering people choice. And who says that games like wii-fit are eating away at the market? I mean, I like hardcore games (on the PC) like team fortress and UT3, but that doesn't mean I will deprive myself of the chance of playing with wii-fit, or that because I bought wii-fit that I won't get Gears of War 2 when it comes out on the PC...

Assuming that wii-fit is mutually exclusive to other "hardcore" games is ridiculous and narrow minded. In fact, no two games are mutually exclusive. The gaming community is large enough to accommodate all types of games, and since we have CHOICE we get to buy those games we want.

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Room 641-A 8 5neDDaM - 649 days 21 hours ago

agree more with your statement.

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permutated - 649 days 20 hours ago

I only got mine for first party titles, but I'm completely sick of all the random, useless sh*t that they port or put on it.

Can't wait for Okami, however. Never got the proper play through of that on the PS2.

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Panthers - 649 days 20 hours ago

The only first party title I am interested in is SSBB. And of course all of the old games you can download. I am really upset with the way Nintendo is tackling online. I know the Nintendo is more for kids, but they need to have chat in games.

The reason no other First Party game interests me is that they are all rehashed games that have been released over and over. Either that or they are minigame wiimote things. Even SSBB is sorta rehashed, but it has enough new stuff to excite me to the point of possibly buying one.

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permutated - 649 days 18 hours ago

Panthers:

Give Mario Galaxy a try. It's fantastic. Easily rivals Mario 64 in quality.

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fenderputty - 649 days 23 hours ago

That was a nice little plug there. I kind of insert whatever game I want to in his comment though.

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decapitator - 649 days 23 hours ago

I know...lol..But gotta admit though, the game looks awesome. I love the whole cell shaded graphics idea.

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Tempist - 649 days 22 hours ago

He technically has a point. Would you want sit ups being classed as being on par with Chess?

I believe Valkyria Chronicles is very much to be tactical like chess and to have a story with much political comment. Wii fit is well, a expensive stair master.

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Kholinar - 649 days 22 hours ago

That's hilarious. :p

Pics?

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MK_Red - 649 days 21 hours ago

:D No, I'm the Fallout 3 guy. j/k

I wish I could be working on such a beautiful game though :)

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ItsDubC - 649 days 22 hours ago

Very nice. Game consoles differ from movie players in their ability to provide user interaction, yet I actually never realized the hypocrisy of praising a console's ability to play movies while at the same time condemning WiiFit despite the fact that it is a far more interactive experience than simply watching a movie.

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Kholinar - 649 days 22 hours ago

Thanks, man.

I think it'll get worse before it gets better though. There'll always be someone who claims purity when a piece of software that's not in their interests comes along. It's fine to not like it, but you still have to compete. I really doubt that Wiifit is cannibalizing Valkyria Chronicles sales. As such, why would he be sad that someone's buying software that they find interesting/amusing?

I think being overly concerned about it is sad.

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kewlkat007 - 649 days 22 hours ago

We give kudos to other consoles being the "Jack of All Trades" but rejecting this game and sometimes the Wii because it Taps a different Market, as well as into the "Interactive Genre", which no other console can claim they take part in, besides Nintendo.

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ItsDubC - 649 days 21 hours ago

Ya, at this point Nishino just looks like a hater, plain and simple. He admits being confused that WiiFit sells and then goes on with his condescending rant with gems such as, "...ultimately they should play proper games like Valkyria Chronicles."

Raise your hand if you like being told what games you SHOULD play...

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Night4ll - 649 days 22 hours ago

Is that all games should be hardcore... don't you think that gets boring after a while? How does that expand the industry? How does that bring more money into the industry?

I for one am grateful for all that Nintendo has done for the industry, right from the beginning... I love being able to play a game with my girlfriend, my family, and my friends. The Wii brought my girlfriend into gaming, and once in a while (not often but still enough)... she'll play COD4 with me or Resistance... I don't think I would have gotten her to touch a controller were it not for the Wii...

The Wii has brought innovation into gaming... a console shouldn't be just about graphics and power (don't get me wrong, those are great things to have), but should also make developers think differently about games. That way gaming doesn't become stale and repetitive.
The Wii allows developers to be creative and think outside the box in order to come up with a different way to play games...

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killer_trap - 649 days 21 hours ago

i don't mind a mini game or 2. but when i system is released with a majority of it's games are mini game motion controlled junk then thats where i draw the line.

i've been playing hardcore games for 15 years and i'm still enjoying them. and i've bought a wii and played wii sport for 2 weeks and i never played it again. in fact the only time i go back tp playing the wii is when a real game is released like mario galaxy. now most of you here thought it was over hyped but i thought it was one of the best mario games ever and it truly was the game of 2007.

edit: but i do agree with you on some of your points and thak you for your reasoning.
i'm not a nintendo hater. i'm just a wii hater thats all.

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Night4ll - 649 days 21 hours ago

I also understand what ur saying... it's true there is a whole lot of crap released on Wii and it's very frustrating... But the PS2 was like that in its lifetime too... so hopefully its just a phase.

There are a lot of good games for Wii that are coming out... and not all of them are nintendo franchises (like boom blox, fatal frame 4, monster hunter III...). But gamers have to support the good games on Wii in order for good games to overshadow the crap...

Oh... I don't think Wii sports was meant to be played everyday... I still play it once in a while with my girl or my family when I go to visit them...

Oh and heres a bubble hope it helps...

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killer_trap - 649 days 21 hours ago

it's really people like you that make me like my wii a little more. but don't tell me you wouldn't have preferred games like fatal frame 4 and monster hunter III to be on a ps3 or a 360? i do.

the wii success shifted many games naturally to the wii. and i honestly believe that the system won't do those games justice. take fatal frame for instance. it's the type of game that depends on the overall experience than gameplay skills or reflexes. now just imagine what this game could have been on the ps3.

oh and a bubble at you to, you deserve it.

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forum_crawler - 649 days 17 hours ago

Since you mention reflexes and whatnot, how about a PC? That way you get the best graphics and control accuracy (mouse and keyboard are the best, though the wii-mote and nunchuck are a close second when implemented well). Why limit yourself to console graphics? Just imagine what they would look like on a PC...

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killer_trap - 649 days 22 hours ago

and some people act like it's the greatest thing. wii zapper and wii fit whats next, wii rope, wii football or maybe wii crap.

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Night4ll - 649 days 21 hours ago

There are already over a million people in Japan who find it entertaining... so you can't say that it isn't. I get that it isn't ur cup of tea, but don't assume that everyone feels the way you do... Saying its not entertaining does not make sense... unless you mean it's not entertaining to you...

@ Killer trap

I gave you a bubble because I thought you were being mature with ur arguments... but no that's a little childish... Wii crap? Wii football could be nice though...

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ItsDubC - 649 days 21 hours ago

Gotta give you rightful credit. You made this comment way before this guy.

=D

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MK_Red - 649 days 21 hours ago

Thanks ItsDubC :D
Number 1 Wii Fit hater! That's me ;)

As for fun, it is definitly not fun to me but the thing is that Wii Fit is exactly what I define is not fun. It's the unfun defined. I don't like Wii Sports but I understand how it's a casual game and fun for some but Wii Fit lacks most of what makes a game fun. The ball guide mini-game wasn't that bad but the rest made me feel worse than studying history.

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Mr Playboy - 649 days 20 hours ago

"wii zapper and wii fit whats next"

LoL some people looking forward for Wii D!dlo vibrator

thats gonna be one big hit Title

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decapitator - 649 days 19 hours ago

You have no idea how many "insane" people are out there MK_red.

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Kholinar - 649 days 22 hours ago

And your mom and sister should drop kick you for suggesting they spend $2k each at Bally's.

1. Not everyone has the money for a gym membership.

2. Not everyone that has the money wishes to spend it in that way.

3. The alternative of getting out and jogging doesn't work in:
a. bad neighborhoods (for females, children and elderly)
b. in 120 degree weather in Phoenix and other places.
c. in 0 to sub-zero weather/ice covered sidewalks in the middle/northern U.S. and other places
d. in extremely crowded cities

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crck - 649 days 21 hours ago

Shut up. You can take a class at a community college for like $30 bucks a semester. Yes less then a wii-stupid-fit. You don't even have to register you can just attend the classes or use the track or weight room. No one cares.

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Kholinar - 649 days 21 hours ago

Maybe in Arkansas.

Most CC's in parts of the country where people take classes run at least $60 per credit hour. Most also have decent security that won't allow just anyone to walk in for safety reasons, and most (this is the most important part) would cost you more in gas than wiifit in just a few months if you went 3-4 times per week.

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Kholinar - 649 days 22 hours ago

How are workout videos different than Wiifit?

"You know what buy whatever you want..."

See... now that's an enlightened attitude. :)

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sak500 - 649 days 20 hours ago

Absolutely..watch out though. Teh fanbois will be attacking u with disagrees.

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forum_crawler - 649 days 16 hours ago

...because every time the thing catches fire you have to:

1. Get behind your cramped home theatre system to unplug all the cables and that takes time and effort. You can get sweaty.

2. Walk to your car with the console, and then walk to the service department once you get there. I mean, what if you park far away from the door? That could mean a long walk! or what if you have to take the bus, or ride your bike?

3. Actually go outside and do something...

... ha ha. Just joking, and sorry, it was too hard to resist...

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