Xbox360 Devs Can't Match PS3 Exclusives Without The X-Engine

DARK WITNESS - 43 days 6 hours ago

I am not sure I understand what your saying.

I thought the cell has a single core and 8 (or 7 working) SPEs' which are not actually cores.

while the 360 just has 3 cores.

then you say multicore processing is the future, well isn't the 360 multicore ?

I am not exactly a tech head, so I am asking first. but something about your statement does not sound right.

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Persistantthug - 43 days 6 hours ago

because it is not a "scientific fact" that a bigger engine would require more resources. No offense, but it doesn't sound like you really know what you're talking about here.
I don't know anything about this "X ENGINE", but it could very well utilize better and more efficient optimization across the board. Also, regarding storage, whether using BluRay or DVD9, that wouldn't have a bearing on what this supposed engine can or can't do.
I'm a PS3 only owner, but even I am fully aware that most consoles put out there best games late in their life cycles. I'm a PS3 fan as much as any, but I will not lie to myself and pretend as if the XBOX 360 is tapped out technically.....that doesn't jibe with general console history, and trust me, I've been playing consoles as far back as Atari 2600 (My older bothers ;) )

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7thNightvolley - 43 days 5 hours ago

"Here is why I disagree! Any bigger engine will scientifically require more memory to run. "

its not about a bigger engine its about a STRONGER ENGINE.. come on .. for example windows vista need 2.0 processor speed to get it to work on a any computer .. but windows 7 is better and faster and can run with only 1gb of processing power.. so u are wrong on that from .. so x engine will be better than the usual engine and will capitalize on the best of the 360 to bring out the best that it got..

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Ju - 43 days 3 hours ago

SPUs are cores. PS3 has 7 fully independent HW cores running at the same time at the programmers disposal (1xppu, 6xspu. No "hyerthreading" bottleneck,etc).

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DARK WITNESS - 43 days 1 hour ago

Ju,

do you have a link to that ? I would like to read up more and understand a bit more about it.

I thought the SPE's were not the same as the main core, at least that was my understanding from what I know so far. not claiming to be an expert or anything.

thanks.

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jerethdagryphon - 43 days ago

dark witness, the definition of core in computer terms is

Definition of: processor core

The processing part of a CPU chip minus the cache. It is made up of the control unit and the arithmetic logic unit (ALU). See control unit and ALU.
because the spe has local storage and an execution unit, it can be classed as a core, 'loosly'

it lacks somethings a true cpu core has such as the ability to run bootstrap code, ie a post test but in most respects it is core

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Ju - 42 days 20 hours ago

SPUs can do the exact same what any regular CPU can do, that includes, arithmetic, branches, memory block operations and vector (SIMD) instructions. It has a regular address and data bus. The address bus is connected to its onboard SRAM, and beyond that, it has a DMA subsystem to communicate with peripherals (basically rest of the system, mainly external memory transfers)). What the SPUs do not have is a sophisticated IO interface (like a connector to more widespread peripheral chips - which it doesn't need). Furthermore it has a HW messaging system (mailbox) to communicate with the host CPU (and the remaining cores). All this could be used to create a kernel which makes a CELL a "virtual multicore" if you'd wish. In most cases load/store into/from SDRAM is optimized to maximize SDRAM and DMA bandwidth - which would be hard to achieve with a generic "virtual" kernel (or maybe something like this does exist now - I don't know). The strength of the SPU ISA is SIMD operations and arithmetic, it is not utilized properly in scalar code which performs a lot of branching (if/else and loops, etc). Algorithms however can resolve most of those issues (e.g. loop unrolling, etc).

I give you a link: google.com. I think you'll find most of that stuff there.

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iMad - 43 days 7 hours ago

Your brain is washed out by Sony PR.

Don't beleive any PR. just think by yourself..

many many sources telling us MS have something to show..let's just wait.

If it is all wiil be true - then it is going very very bad for Sony because they told us that XBOX compared to PS3 is crap for allready about 4 years...

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Narutone66 - 43 days 6 hours ago

Why don't you take your own advice?

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iMad - 43 days 6 hours ago

just wait till Halo reach will be showen
after that Sony will loose many many fans for lie.

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7thNightvolley - 43 days 5 hours ago

before the upper commment i just thought u were just mis-informed.. but no u are acutally brain washed... HOW SAD..hope they pay u thou.. at least...

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Chubear - 43 days 1 hour ago

Good gosh man, speak English. I can't seem to understand what you're trying to get across.

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pixelsword - 42 days 18 hours ago

...WarDevil was said to have ran on the original XboX...

...so programming trumps all.

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DARK WITNESS - 43 days 6 hours ago

I don't think they will add HD-DVD now, not at all.

I do agree and believe, that not adding it to begin with is one of the biggest mistakes MS have made this gen.

my honest opinion ( and I am saying this even as a 360 fan ) MS just does not like jumping in the water first. They just don't like the risk. And In some cases it backfires big time.

I think we will just see BR in the next xbox.

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siyrobbo - 43 days 6 hours ago

so tell me then, being as you know so much on the topic (i assume first hand information, not just read from a blog) How much do MS charge in royalties for multiple disc games????

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The real killer - 42 days 15 hours ago

It's not only the DVD 9, also the gimped PC architecture.
You forget more than only Blu-Ray drive.

Without XDR 256 RAM is not possible.
Without the power of the RSX, it's not possible.
Without the 7 SPU, it's not possible.
Without Blu-ray drive, it's not possible.
Without the Cell CPU, it's not possible.
Ann the most essential is the combine the power of al those new hardware (ARCHITECTURE)

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Persistantthug - 43 days 6 hours ago

You said, "NEVER IN THE HISTORY of gaming has a first party studio took OVER the gaming crown."

Assuming you are referencing technical achievement here, I have to wonder how old you are. Obviously, you must be too young or not experienced enough to remember Mario 64 and Zelda "Ocarina Of Time".

Hell, for that matter you surely hadn't heard about Super Mario Brothers (NES).

Those are just a few examples off the top of my head. I might suggest you visit your local Wikipedia or "history of video gaming" magazine, because, no offense....your knowledge base is severely rendered on a short term scale.

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hoops - 42 days 21 hours ago

Hmmm...Blu Ray does not increase memory. It gives developers MORE SPACE but not more memory.

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DARK WITNESS - 43 days 6 hours ago

ummm...

because we have not seen on of the games using the x-engine yet ?

I thought halo reach is the first game to be using it, and as far as I know, nobody has seen halo reach yet.... or is there something you are not telling us ?

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Ju - 43 days 3 hours ago

Right. Nobody has seen it. So we give it the benefit of the doubt. Yes ?

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Chubear - 43 days 1 hour ago

What everyone also need to know is, they're only now doing what Sony has been doing since launch. Makes you wonder about the quality of their games to this point doesn't it?

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Nicaragua - 43 days 3 hours ago

Well yeah it does, if we are discussing a new engine for the xbox which is touted as being able to create better looking games than the PS3 is capable of then of course it matters - visual capability is the entire point of the discussion.

Nobody is (or should be) talking about sales of xbox's, gamecubes, PS2's or 3's, its irrelevant.

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