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4chan Recruits Gamers Via Facebook To Out Corruption In Games Journalism

One Angry Gamer "If you've grown tired of all the BS that has been flung around lately by the outlets and video game writers that you used to respect – and there were quite a few I used to respect, including John Walker of Rock, Paper, Shotgun and Leigh Alexander of Gamasutra – then you're probably a bit downtrodden at the social justice warrior movement to basically make gamers leave the gaming community. It makes no sense and it has no end-goal other than to antagonize and intimidate (which is quite ironic given that they're all against harassment, trolling and abuse). Nevertheless, there's hope. Various communities from 4chan have finally stopped bickering amongst themselves to work together to help all of gaming."

-Foxtrot3518d ago (Edited 3518d ago )

I'd support them, we moan on about sites like Kotaku on here I don't see why N4G hasn't done this before. Least we would be contributing to something and at least try to put an end to it.

Just think these guys are getting paid to review video games then lie about them if they wish while collecting gaming goodies along the way like press kits and rare collectibles.

However I don't like how they are using Vivian James as a mascot. Corruption has been around way before this whole thing surrounding Vivian James, 4chan and Zoe Quinn

Blacktric3518d ago (Edited 3518d ago )

Well, they're using Vivian James as a mascot because it's the only thing that's perfectly relevant with what's going on at the moment. It's just to put a more recognizable face on the movement.

Also, according to the Facebook page they linked in the article; these SJW idiots are preparing to make an announcement at PAX on monday morning, where they'll all take the stage, standing hand to hand and urge people to not use the word "gamer" and replace it with something else. They'll apparently use the "we are showing our faces and not hiding behind our computers like you" shtick to tell people that they're right and everyone who opposes them are wrong. All while declaring their support for Anita and Zoe on stage.

I don't know if this is true or not, but considering that these people are batshit crazy and incessantly use media to push their agenda, anything's possible.

003518d ago

That would be kind of crazy if they did that. but if they no longer want to be called gamers or think they are above gamers, then they should have no say in gaming related issues.

WilliamUsher3518d ago

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My biggest problem with this whole "we're no longer gamers" is that they want to do exactly what you say they shouldn't be doing: meddling with the gaming industry.

The idea is that they feel the industry needs to be shaped in their vision of what should and shouldn't be allowed while at the same time shaming and demonizing anyone who disagrees with them (i.e., Dragon's Crown, Akiba's Trip, etc., etc.,)

If they want to get out of being called "gamers", I don't think anyone has a problem with that, but them trying to change gaming culture to fit their agenda is just wrong.

Remy_Chaos3518d ago

And to think this is what idiots like LS should be focusing on, not disrupting our gaming fun! All hackers or whatever should focus on exposing suspicious sites, imagine how fun it would be to find out just how much certain companies bribe reviewers.

-Foxtrot3518d ago (Edited 3518d ago )

Imagine the secret convos, files, meetings, behind closed door deals hackers might be able to find

I don't support hacking when it's used for "evil" but when it comes to exposing the truth...let it be I say.

Remy_Chaos3518d ago

Could you make it sound any juicer? LOL! I just don't understand why it hasn't been done yet, its annoying. It's not really evil either, especially when the people responsible get fired, sued, etc. They just got what they deserved. Imagine seeing the real scores for COD and AC, I bet no higher than 6 all around.

kingdip903518d ago

This topic annoys me seriously.

Characters in video games are based on fantasy, of course they don't represent or properly portray any real group of people because they are not real.... they are fantasy and would be impossible to live up to in most cases.

fantasy Like this has existed for eons in stories, plays, movies, tv shows, legends, and games. There has never been a proven link of th effecting the behavior of the audience and to suggest that beating women in games to death will devalue women to the gamer in real life is just like saying that violence in games = violence in real life and we all know that is untrue.

If these people want to see real people who are properly fleshed out and don't conform to offensive tropes then they should go to the mall... and avoid people who actually fit those tropes pretty well.

Blacktric3518d ago (Edited 3518d ago )

But don't you know that wanting to escape from the mundaneness of life by playing games that have women with caricaturistic features, is SEXIST? How dare you want to play as a ridiculous looking woman who beats up equally ridiculous looking men? Don't you know that it treats women like sex objects and objectifies them in a wrong way, eventhough the men are objectified even more by being mere obstacles and things to throw around?!

/sarcasm

The day this; "second wave feminism meets social justice warriors on internet" fad dies, will be the day everyone will be free to create art the way they want without having to pander to some narrow minded morons, who had horrible life choices and are now looking for some group to belong to that regularly produces mental masturbation material for them to feel good about themselves.

kahjah3518d ago

"everyone will be free to create art the way they want without having to pander to some narrow minded morons"

People are already free to make the art they want. That supposed fad is just pointing out that much of it is coming from only point of view. The ideas behind second wave feminism aren't that hard to understand if you take a second to understand that they actually might have a point. You know being people and all.

Blacktric3518d ago (Edited 3518d ago )

" The ideas behind second wave feminism aren't that hard to understand if you take a second to understand that they actually might have a point."

Eventhough they don't? Look, I understand that this might be hard for someone who uses "straight white male privilege" as an excuse to run away from facts, but none of their laughable excuses for scantily clad women in most games, have a point.

Sarkeesian states in her most recent video that women in strip clubs are presented as objects or background decoration in someone's narrative. What she's forgetting is that, the place is a strip club. Not a house, an office or a restaurant, but a strip club. And if you expect nonplayable, unimportant side characters (like the strippers or men who are looking at the strippers) to have some sort of depth and have them have meaningful conversations with men in there, you are, basically, a moron.

And when morons go up in arms after seeing an overly sexualized female character in a game (in overly charicaturized manner), amongst equally over sexualized male characters, and yell "OH MY GOD THAT IS MISOGYNY! THAT IS SEXISM!", that will end up effecting some, not all, but some artists' views on whether they should go with the design or force it to make it fit to these people's views. Or worse, the publisher will ask them to do so. There are already some examples of this, like the artist who worked on Divinity: The Original Sin getting opressed by journalists. Basically; you are free to criticize an art piece. You just have no right to start a witch hunt against it using your place in the media.

http://orogion.deviantart.c...

And saying "the second wave feminism is just pointing out how much of it is coming from only point of view", is laughable and can only be said by someone who specifically ignored games like Beyond Good & Evil or Dreamfall that features women that don't have caricaturisticly over sexualized looks.

But again, I'm not expecting someone who can't accept the fact that SJWs aren't mislabled for the most part and are in fact people who are incapable of having a proper discussion without spewing buzzwords like "privilege", "rape culture" or "patriarchy" when they get cornered, to understand or give credence to any of this.

Second wave feminism, at this point, is nothing but a fad that can't support its own weight. And day by day, thanks to people who can think for themselves without getting swept by some scammer's lies or a professional victim's words, it's getting closer to the point of collapsing.

And I wouldn't call it anything but a fad that's being supported by people who haven't contributed to anything in their lives at this point. Especially when strong, scholar women are also going against it at full force.

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.f...

kahjah3518d ago

Once you use the words SJW as a pejorative you lose me on your arguement.

Blacktric3518d ago (Edited 3518d ago )

The word; SJW, was made up to be used as pejorative. People who use it aren't insulting people who want social justice. It's used to describe people who bother and attack other people on the internet that doesn't agree with their way of thinking (like the Tumblr feminists).

http://www.urbandictionary....

kahjah3518d ago

That's not been my experience seeing the term used. It's been a consistent way to try and deflect and derail conversations where privileged people can't look past their own shortcomings.

WilliamUsher3518d ago

That's fine. But just remember that these folks have hands no cleaner than those they condemn.

http://i.imgur.com/EjLLvCE....

Real social justice don't need to doxx and threaten to kill 10 year olds.

kahjah3518d ago

I'm not sure what the context was with that picture but you're right no one should be doing that. In the context of this particular story. I think the idea of there being any corruption really seems a little silly in light of actual corruption that really matters. If someone got a better score on their game so what?

People champion causes that are close to them all the time. Being able to stand up for people who are actually being hurt isn't something folks should be rallying against.

gigoran3518d ago

Kotaku and their friends think that mocking us is going to end all this and make it just go away little by little. All it's doing is make us bigger, stronger, and angrier. The longer they push us the more it's going to hurt them when it comes to an end.

One of the latest tactics is contacting the companies and businesses that advertise on their sites and letting them know how they are being represented and what their audiences is being treated like. We have had several positive replies.

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70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

With so many games fighting for players' attention and interest losing out over time, time sink games are at risk of eventually losing steam.

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thorstein13h ago

It was worrisome to begin with.

It's a niche genre with only a handful of hits that can stand the test of time.

CrimsonWing6913h ago

What’s to be unsure of!? Look at the ratio of success to failure!

shinoff218311h ago

Yes. Stop all the live service bs.

jznrpg11h ago

Only a few will catch on. You need a perfect storm to be successful in GaaS and a bit of luck on top of that. But a potential cash cow will keep them trying and some will go out of business because of it.

MIDGETonSTILTS1711h ago

Helldivers 2 manages just fine…

Keep production costs low… don’t just make custscenes until the mechanics and enemies are perfected first.

Make so much content that you can drip extra content for years, and the game already feels complete without them.

Most importantly: make weapons, enemies, levels, and mechanics that will stand the test of 1000 hours. This might require more devs embracing procedurally generated leveled, which I think separates Helldivers 2 from Destiny’s repetitiveness.

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The Battle Pass Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Modern Gaming

Nameer from eXputer: "Some exceptions aside, I don't think the battle pass is a net positive for gaming with how they're implemented in most live service titles."

got_dam15h ago

Battle passes AND meta gaming both.

DivineHand12513h ago(Edited 13h ago)

I like the way Helldivers 2 does battle passes. It allows you to make purchases on each level of the battle pass and gives you the option of choosing which item to unlock first. The more purchases you make using medals the further you progress. There is no timer and you can earn medals towards purchasing stuff via personal orders and Major orders.

I haven't played much live service games that have battle passes but I remember some games that have battle passes where you progress through it linearly using an exp system. What makes it really bad is that the battle pass will have like 50 or more levels with the cooler stuff being closer to the end. They also have an in-game shop that sells exp boosters so you can reach the end of the pass before it refreshes. Everyone ilse will have to grind their way through.

lucian22912h ago

battle pass in fortnite is perfect; buy one and it buys the rest for every other season as it gives you more money than the first cost. so 8.50 and season ends with you getting 13.00, it pays for the next and you have some pocket change to save up for cash shop. All of which is optional

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy851d 9h ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted1d 8h ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere1d 8h ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook71d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy851d 4h ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga1d 4h ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher14h ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble9h ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike1d 3h ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv7217h ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

crazyCoconuts11h ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire16h ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer19921d 7h ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga14h ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk23h ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 72118h ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty11h ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds22h ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx1221h ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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