Dev Defends Against Claims That PS4 Is More of An Indie Console Now

"Given the lack of AAA games and the abundance of indie games on the PlayStation 4, certain players feel that the Sony's current generation console has now become an indie console."

[user7402931]

"Given the lack of AAA games and the abundance of indie games on the PlayStation 4'

http://www.spawnfirst.com/w...

[Neonridr]

that's a pretty old graphic now.

[pedrof93]

Remember back in february when Titanfall (A third party exclusive on X1) released alongside Infamous on Ps4 ( 1st party) ? Since then Ps4 Got MLB the Show (First Party) and TLOU remastered al so first party. And X1... It got map packs for titanfall.

[Neonridr]

I own both of those games on PS4 too.. :P

[SoapShoes]

@Pedro and if you want to count non first party exclusives PS4 also got Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn and Dynasty Warriors Xtreme Legends. The X1 hasn't had an exclusive since Titanfall and won't have anything till Autumn. Anyone who claims PS4 has no games, does that mean the X1 has less than no games? It has negative games? Stupid fanboys...

[blitz0623]

It's funny because if you compare the number of retail games it's identical to the PS3 in its first year. Just because there are more indies doesn't mean AAA games are being ignored. The ratio is just different, but in terms of totals there's nothing that proves the console is an indie machine.

[andibandit]

Problem is that PS4 owners keep saying
its gonna/
is raining
games,
so new ps4 owners are kinda scratching their heads, left wondering..."Did they mean rain indie games?"

[PeaSFor]

More games>Less games.

its that simple.

[ramiuk1]

yeah very old graphic,the lists bigger now

[Volkama]

Kinect Sports Rivals is more recent than Titanfall isn't it? Or are we only talking about grown-up games?

[HiddenMission]

@andibandit

A game is a game it's just that simple. Indie, AAA it doesn't matter as long as it's on the console.

Problem is last gen we saw a rise of indies on PC and the beginning of indies coming to the PS3/360 (more so on PS3 from what I remember). Which is what a lot of consumers asked for. Now that indies are getting a lot of love on the PS4 (console space) the gamers who act like AAA is all that matters (XBOX only) talk trash saying PS4 is all indie.

The truth is a title is a title and only a fanboy would say the opposite.

If you really want to talk about exclusives and I do mean console exclusives the PS4 seems to be ahead. While some of the console exclusives are also on PC they are currently only on the PS4.

What this means to all who can't grasp what I've been saying is that if you don't game on PC and stick to consoles then you can only experience said titles on the PS4 which does make those indie titles exclusive.

On Topic: Article writer alludes to XB1 having more AAA games which it doesn't because if you add in the F2P titles and MMO's Sony is still ahead. The post just comes off as trying to stir up a comment war and guess what it succeeded for the most part.

[ABizzel1]

The thing I really don't get about many of these naggers, is that you know when these things are coming.

PS4 Firmware naggers (aka so called game journalist / bloggers): If you have a game blog online then you're somewhat in the know. You know good and well that Sony planned on releasing their next big firmware around Gamescon in August. So why are you nagging about it at the end of July.

Indie vs AAA naggers: It's the first freaking 9 months of the PS4 lifecycle. Anyone who has even bought a launch consoles knows there are dead times if you only focus on AAA games (which take 1 - 3+ years to make). On top of that it's summer which are usually dead months for gaming as well (which I don't understand). If you took 10 seconds and google "PS4 release schedule" you would see The Last of Us just came out, and starting the end of August a wave of AAA games and expansions will be releasing on the PS4 with:

Infamous Last Light, Metro: Redux, EA Sports 15, Minecraft, Destiny, DriveClub, Evolve, The Evil Within, Assassin's Creed Unity, GTA V, COD: AW, The Crew, Far Cry 4, Little Big Planet 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Project Cars, and Planetside 2.

There's something for everyone, and that's all we know for now with Gamescom and TGS likely bringing more announcements.

Just shut up and wait 3 - 4 more weeks.

[ShadowWolf712]

@ABizzel1

They harp on the Firmware updates because it generates revenue. Xbox fans are already holding up their "superior update schedule" flag and running over there to brag. Clicks and revenue.

Then come the Sony fans to go on defense and point out the obvious to both the author and the other fanboys in the comments. More clicks. More revenue.

[ThanatosDMC]

We need an updated list. It's bigger now.

[tee_bag242]

@ Soupshoes
Wrong, Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn and Dynasty Warriors Xtreme Legends are both on PC so I don't see how that makes them PS4 exclusives.

[AndrewLB]

here's a more accurate graphic. note how it excludes games from 2015. So this list actually matters right now.

http://i.imgur.com/w2XVwih....

[GribbleGrunger]

@AndrewLB: No wonder you think the XB1 has more games if you're using lists like that.

[Prime157]

@andrew,

Andrew, I don't know where you got that list, but that list is pushing your biased agenda and not the truth.

[Doge]

That's an outdated list.

huhuhu

[Blacksand1]

It's not even a year yet and people are crying about no games. Smart PS owners know 2014 is a down year for game we brought the PS4 to have it before the rush next year when the games start coming in 2015. Sony said they was going to cut back on games for the PS3 at E3 2013. Sony started that already only MP games came out this year on the PS3, the AAA came on the PS4. Next year most of the PS3 owners going to make that jump.

[fonger08]

That's a cool list for games, for 2015.

[Xbot1214]

lol PS4 fans be like.....

http://www.spawnfirst.com/w...

as for the indies they won't bring much, sony shouldn't be so focused on them, bring on the new games

[S2Killinit]

@ Dirty Pimp
thanks for posting that. I'm tired of telling people to look at the games lists and see for themselves who has more games (whether indie, AAA, or whatever). Some people just don't want to know the truth.

[GribbleGrunger]

Wrong place.

[GribbleGrunger]

"Given the lack of AAA games."

This is a complete lie. There's no other way to describe it. The PS4 has had MORE AAA games than the XB1, so where are the articles about the XB1 lacking games?

The PS4 has more AAA games
The PS4 has more Indie games
The PS4 has more FTP games

How can so many articles from so many sites be overlooking this fact? I can't believe that it's because ALL of these articles are written by MS shills, so clearly it can only be down to the authors buying into a narrative without question, just like they did with the Vita.

It's actually creating some puzzling threads on forums too, in which the OP asks: 'Why is the PS4 still selling?" They're only puzzled because they've bought the 'no game' narrative. Luckily, most helpful PS4 owners provide an extensive comparison list pretty quickly and save the author of the thread from further embarrassment.

It WILL sink in eventually. Until then, keep up the good work folks :)

[Xbot1214]

uuh buddy xbox one has been bashed more than u can imagine so far, take a little hit once in a while. and try not to be a douche about it.

[GribbleGrunger]

The XB1 has been 'bashed' (as you call it) for legitimate reasons, not a complete lie. That's the difference.

[ziggurcat]

@xbot1214

Why would a "hit" need to be taken when the statement that there is a lack of AAA titles on PS4 is factually incorrect?

[Corpser]

Who's talking about XB1? The article never mentions it

[GribbleGrunger]

@Corpser: The point is, IF this narrative is to be applied to any of the consoles, then surely it has to apply to the console with less games ... Doesn't that make sense? I'm all for the narrative dying and not even switching to the XB1, but whilst this lie continues, it's only fair that the facts are pointed out.

[HiddenMission]

@Corpser

I don't know where your English comprehension level is at but the post alludes to XB1 having more AAA titles based off of the way it's phrased. See below

"Given the lack of AAA games and the abundance of indie games on the PlayStation 4"

That statement is a slant/intentional ignoring of the fact that XB1 has actually less AAA titles. If the writer had added XBOX One in that sentence then we could have a legitimate discussion but that did not take place.

So as it stands if you read in-between the lines the XBOX One is being talked about with a comparison that takes a slanted jab at the PS4.

[BX81]

Stop your crying about the XB1 articles. Jesus Christ man. If the article isn't true to gaming facts then report it. This has nothing to do with the xb1.

[Salooh]

I agree with you there with the ps4. It's ridiculous . But not with the vita. Vita always lacked AAA games after launch and that's a sad fact because of how great the vita is ...

[GribbleGrunger]

@14Feb-R: My fault, I should have been a little clearer there. I was referring to the general 'no games' mantra for the Vita. I take your point. Bubble for the confusion. :)

[madworld]

that is true,guys for god sick the only game com from Sony and it is a very good just Infamous ss so it is a fact that Ps4 now is just indie console and look to the line up from first party this year,it is the worst line up from Sony in years.the only game i am looking forward from first party is Drive club......

[joeorc]

@madworldps4

"that is true,guys for god sick the only game com from Sony and it is a very good just Infamous ss so it is a fact that Ps4 now is just indie console and look to the line up from first party this year,it is the worst line up from Sony in years.the only game i am looking forward from first party is Drive club......"

Ok than how come DCuniverse, Planet Side 2, WarThunder! do not count for Sony like Titanfall counts for Microsoft?

I know the A: and its simple

But those are on PC right? well so is Titanfall!

The point is many on a certain side want to ignore Free 2 play "console Exclusives" but try to imply and claim that in the same Token "Titanfall" counts only as an console exclusive for Microsoft, but the SOE game's that Sony has for the PS4 somehow some way do not count the same for Sony, just because Windows OS for the PC!

That is what is Ironic!

The point is because of Windows OS, many certain people only want to count PC exclusives on Xbox platform as a "Microsoft" Exclusive

And its very clear that side try's to frame the Argument that way.

[truefan1]

Sony themselves said indies will be a significant focus of the ps4 moving forward. E3 2013 = big indie focus, E3 2014 = Big indie focus. Yoshida also doesn't even have faith in the upcoming ps4 titles, as he called Destiny, THE system seller for ps4.

LOOK AT THE FACTS: ANNOUNCED AA/AAA/BIG BUDGET GAMES on XB1 and PS4 Launch-present

XB1:Forza 5, DR3, Ryse, Kinect Sports Rivals, Titanfall, Killer Instinct

ps4:kzsf, knack, infamous, mlb the show

LOOK AT THE FACTS: ANNOUNCED AA/AAA/BIG BUDGET GAMES on XB1 and PS4 present-Beyond

XB1-Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2, Halo MCC, Project Spark, Quantum Break, D4, ScaleBound, Fable Legends, Phantom Dust, Crackdown, Halo 5,

ps4-Driveclub, lbp3, the order, bloodborne, tlour, uncharted

The only list where ps4 leads is indies, but even those indies are coming to XB1.

I see disagrees, but no comments. I know the reason why is because you have no comeback. I posted the games and both ps4 lists are significantly smaller in quality and number.

@jnemesh, would you know that Kinect Sports Rivals 1 oustold infamous 1 and 2 combined. Also The Kinect Sports franchise has outsold the infamous franchise. Lastly YES IT IS BIG BUDGET. Find me another game with face and body scanning features. LOL I left out a lot of unannounced XB1 games too Gears, lionhead's new ip, Twisted Pixel's new ip, 3 Japanese Exclusives, Rare's New ip, Press Play's new ip...

Edit:I left this here for 3 hours and yet No ps4 fan could answer to my list.

ZIGGURCAT calls Titanfall multiplat, then goes on to mention Planetside 2, not to mention PS@ and Deep Down are both free to play games.

Starks posts the same exact list I have, but includes several indies to inflate his list.

The rest of the commenters were deflecting, thank you for admitting XB1 has the better games in both number and QUALITY.

[jnemesh]

Wow, truefan! You are calling out "Kinect Sports Rivals" as "AAA"? On what planet does that game qualify as "AAA"?

Your list is leaving out a LOT of announced PS4 games too. Troll harder next time!

[GribbleGrunger]

This list isn't up to date but it will do. The problem is that this issue has been put to bed on more sensible forums and the list doesn't get updated because the point is already made. Suffice to say, the omissions give the PS4 a bigger lead in AAA and Indies.

http://cdn.bgr.com/2014/04/...

Now if only people who write articles could catch up with those sensible forums.

[Angels3785]

You NEGATING a slew of PS4 titles that are not indies...in no way makes what you said factual.

Also the F2P games on PS4 are big budget games...in fact VERY big budget in most cases. Plus indies or not, its still more games and more options for ps4 owners that xbox owners will not have.

[ziggurcat]

@truefan:

1. Killer instinct, and kinect sports rivals are *not* AAA titles.

2. Titanfall is *multiplatform*, not a xbone exclusive.

3. You conveniently left out a whole bunch of PS4 exclusives like deep down, let it die, planetside 2, etc...

4. Sales does not make a game AAA. So saying, "bu-bu-but kinect sports rivals sold more" is an invalid argument. And it's not even close to being big budget... Just because it's MS exclusive doesn't mean it had a massive budget. You seriously need to learn the difference between casual shovelware, and major blockbuster.

[disKinected]

Keep spouting that rubbish...truefan.. Your inferior box won't become superior..lol.. Wake me up when xbox gets somw GOTY games.. Or even games that are better than indie games ps4 is receiving... I'll pick these indie games over garbage xbox lineup. Kinect sports rivals and dance central...rofl...pass!

[LordMaim]

What I also love is the way he makes sure to capitalize each and every one of the Xbox One titles properly, and yet the PS4 titles are all in lower case, even for the name of the system. At least make it a complete list before you subtly minimize the PS4 list.

And before you stand Kinect Sports up against Infamous, maybe you should have a look at this:

http://www.metacritic.com/s...
http://www.metacritic.com/s...

Packing in Kinect Sports may have helped its sales, but didn't make them good.

[Kayant]

"E3 2013 = big indie focus" - less than 5 mins on stage
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

"E3 2014 = Big indie focus" - Less than 2 mins https://www.youtube.com/wat...

In terms of trailers.

Your facts are BS as usual.

"Find me another game with face and body scanning features" - Yes because that makes it a big budget title loooool.

[Starks]

First and foremost, I don't think Sucker Punch ever needed to lay off some of their employees for poor sales, except Rare, issued by Microsoft... for the exact game you spoke of, the abysmal Kinect Sports Rivals.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Second, let's restructure that PS4 list with games you seem to left out.

Driveclub
Bloodborne
The Last of Us Remastered
Little Big Planet 3
The Order: 1886
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
Guilty Gear Xrd
Natural Doctrine
Deep Down
The Last Guardian
Ratchet & Clank
Gran Turismo 7
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture

I should probably throw in some of the FTPs you can't get, like Planetside 2, Let it Die, H1Z1, and Everquest Next, but that would be painful for me to do on top of all of those games I just listed lol. Don't forget the unannounced IPs and projects coming from Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, Guerrilla Cambridge, Media Molecule, Santa Monica, Bend Studios, Ovosonico, and Quantic Dream. I'm even tempted to list off indie games that'll be amazing to play, like Rime, Hohokum, Counterspy, Starbound, and Secret Ponchos, none of which you'll be able to experience on top of a slew of AA/AAA/Big Budget titles I stated.

So your pathetic attempt of a list has been crushed and conquered. You're welcome.

[Geomasonic]

the things you see when you haven't got a gun.

[Starks]

Truefan, you even seen what I typed? I said let's restructure that list with more games you left out, and it more than doubled by itself without needing to add any indie titles. Your last list has Ori and the Blind Forest, which is an indie, but whatever. Seems like you already decided with sticking with AAA games containing subordinate content with a subjacent system.

[DigitalRaptor]

Ah… Truefan… one of the most consistently delusional liars on N4G.

Kinect Sports Rivals is a mediocre game, that much is true. Who the f*ck cares about the size of a budget, when a team of 10 people are making the biggest game universe ever in No Man's Sky, and will have more content than ANY Xbox game ever will.

You downplay Sony's indie lineup despite the fact that it actually contains relatively large budget titles, compared to what you're used to seeing from indie devs, which shows that Sony's support of indie developers is actually going places:

- RiME
- Shadow of the Beast
- Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
- ABZU
- SOMA
- No Man's Sky

A game like ICO is a cult classic AAA masterpiece, and none of those indie games look like they are offering anything less, particularly RiME.

Look those games up and tell me you get laughs from them, like you think all indie games on PS4 look like FEZ, Towerfall Ascension and Mercenary Kings.

You knowingly leave off announced PS4 games like Ratchet & Clank Redux, The Last Guardian, Guilty Gear Xrd, whilst listing games like Phantom Dust, Crackdown and Scalebound which are coming out in 2016. Sony's 2016 lineup hasn't even been announced yet. Their biggest developers are yet to announce their PS4 projects for 2015 and 2016, and you're trying to lay down what company leads in games?

What is wrong with you?

[DigitalRaptor]

I MAY AS WELL WASTE ANOTHER BUBBLE ON THIS FOOL. I HAVE ENOUGH TO ! ;)

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"The rest of the commenters were deflecting, thank you for admitting XB1 has the better games in both number and QUALITY."

THE LAST OF US is the highest rated "exclusive" game this gen so far. It towers above everything else, and the thing is, it's about as "exclusive" as Forza Horizon 2, Titanfall, Project Spark and Dead Rising 3.

Additionally, MASSIVE games like Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn, Kingdom Under Fire II, H1Z1, EverQuest Next and PlanetSide 2 are about as exclusive as most of the games you listed, but somehow they are excluded from your list? You try so hard to make things convenient and cosy for yourself by deflecting valid games like a hypocrite, and you fail immeasurably.

Lastly, your statement that Xbone has the better games in "both number and quality" is 100% inaccurate. Why is that?

1) PS4 has more games…. FACT.
2) PS4 has the better rated games… FACT: http://vgrhq.com/ps4-vs-xbo...

Gamescom '14 is going to hammer a nail in and embarrass your flaccid "arguments" (read: lies) even more than as standard.

[tee_bag242]

Lol Planetside 2 has been on PC for the last 2 years. I love how fanboys have no idea what's on other platforms yet try to pass them off as exclusive.
Outlast, FF14, Titan Fall all were on PC too therefore aren't exclusive.
But I agree with the article. X1 seems to have a stronger AAA line up, not by much though. Non of the consoles have system seller yet.

[EData]

My games are better than your games! Is this what N4G is all about? Funny.

[imt558]

Ha-ha, you are PWNED, truefan!

Give it up already!

You put you pride on the line probably.

[Toman85]

Truefan1 is a troll with high double moral. Kinect Rivals triple AAA? Are you serious?

Using Titanfall as exclusive, yeah but dont write down Final Fantasy XIV on PS4, biased much.

[Aceman18]

The ppl complaining can go kick rocks. What do they think big budgets games are created over night or a few days?

Damn this generation is already becoming like last whine, whine, whine.

[christian hour]

I actually think it might be worse than last gen with all these whaaaaambulance drivers around.

And I think what factors in to this is the length of the last generation (the longest I've experienced in the 27 years I've been gaming).

For a large portion of young gamers posting on this site, they've never experienced a generation cross-over, they might have been too young to remember or cared back then to notice that at the start of every gen, the big games come in slow.

REAL slow.

It isn't usually until half way through the second year of a generation that AAA games production cycles start to overlap and release regularly. And ports, remakes and remasters are highly common place throughout a generation.

THe only difference this time is technology has gotten to a cheap and affordable point that any budding game developer can now make games on a low budget, so we're seeing a rise in indie developers, which generally have shorter development cycles, which means they come out more often.

AAA games are still coming out as frequently as they always have. I think a lot of people here just choose to see and hear what they want to and twist it around to fit snugly in to their warped perception of reality.

Why more indies on ps4 than xb1 you might ask? Well, because there's less anal rape'age happening in sonys indie policies than there is in Microsofts. Theres less hoops to jump through and not as many catches.

[Aceman18]

@Christian

You ain't lying about today's young gamers. Well said and have a bubble.

[system22]

a) thats old. B) most of those games are indie games furthering the point of the article i'd say.

[CaptainPunch]

Yet the PS4 only has a handful of titles I want to play, that graph is a bad comparison.

[Spotie]

Who gives a damn how many of the games YOU want to play?

In the real world, you only account for one console sale. No company is gonna make much off just one person. So they make games that appeal to many people. Maybe there's just one game you wanna play; well, there may be a dozen people who will buy every game on the list.

Why should Sony care about you? The singular you who, like many of the fanboys in here, wouldn't buy a PS4 if Sony paid you?

Some of you people are a joke.

[CaptainPunch]

"Who gives a damn how many of the games YOU want to play?

In the real world, you only account for one console sale. No company is gonna make much off just one person. So they make games that appeal to many people. Maybe there's just one game you wanna play; well, there may be a dozen people who will buy every game on the list.

Why should Sony care about you? The singular you who, like many of the fanboys in here, wouldn't buy a PS4 if Sony paid you?

Some of you people are a joke."

Why should Sony care about me? Maybe because I am a consumer and buy their products? Your whole argument is bad, I never said Sony should make games for me. You are just assuming things to push your own argument. Too bad you won't have a chance to reply with your one bubble, enjoy the silence. I find it funny how you call me a fanboy, yet you're clearly one - your comment history proves that.

Have a good day, hahahahaha.

[FanboyKilla]

Lmfao yes, i f n love it. Sony fans running and jumping here and there trying to defend that shit. Its getting ugly.

List your games all you want. I bet you dont even own that garbage. The thing is people are still playing and enjoying xone games. You have to resort to a list of games no one plays. Thats why the industry says ps4 has no games, because it has no games people play. Of course it has games on it, but so does ouya. Lmfao lmfao

[r2oB]

If PS4 has no games that people play, why does every game sell better on PS4 than Xbox One? If PS4 gamers didn't play games then games would not sell for the console.

Not only do PS4 gamers play games, they play superior versions of them. But hey, at least you get to play system updates, those are pretty fun right?

[greenlantern2814]

First yes people are listing PS4 games they are nit playing, since they haven't been released yet my h like XB1 fans list games that won't be out till late next year like HALO 5, and 2016 titles like Crackdown. But to say people don't play games on their PS4 is complete crap and you know it.
A) like you know what everybody is doing all the time right.
B) my PS4 is used Daily and a bunch of people on my friends list are there every time I am on.
But I guess since you do t use your alleged PS4 nobody dose

[cabinotier]

Generation & PC exclusive
Diablo3
Fez

what ?!

[Chevalier]

Titanfall was on PC
Dead Rising 3 is coming to Steam
Project Spark is on PC as well.

Do 'console' exclusives not matter? Didn't all the 360 fans say that they had 'console' exclusives when you ran out of actual exclusives?

Now if it's on PC and not only on the console of your choice it doesn't count? Right, got it.

[XStation]

@PeaSFor
Quality > Quantity.

[Prime157]

Good thing ps4 has both.

Ps4 has 30+ more PLAYABLE games.

Average Metascore of the Top 20 PS4 Games: 84.5

Average Metascore of the Top 20 Xbox One Games: 78.9

Highest/Lowest PS4 Score: 91/80

Highest/Lowest Xbox One Score: 91/69

90+ on PS4: 3

90+ on Xbox One: 1

80+ on PS4: 18

80+ on Xbox One: 8

Sources:
http://vgrhq.com/ps4-vs-xbo...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w...

So let me break it down for you.
Ps4>xbox in quality
PS4>xbox in quantity

That's why articles that perpetuate the idea of ps4 not having games are inaccurate fanboy grabs. The direct competition fares worse through qualitative, measurable results while taking no scrutiny in the same form.

[XStation]

@Prime157

And how many of those games are popular and are played among many ppl?

[AceBlazer13]

The year of 2014 in exclusives

XB1
Titanfall
Kinect Sports Rivals

PS4
inFamous Second Son
MLB 14 The Show
Final Fantasy XIV
The Last of Us remastered
Dynasty Warriors Extreme Legends

If PS4 has no games then the XB1 isn't even worth the title of a games console.

I wanna see what idiot calls out the exclusives on PS4 for being available on PC even though Titanfall is also on PC and 360.

[ITPython]

The keyword here is "certain players", ie XB1 fanboys. Anybody who knows the PS brand and isn't in denial knows that AAA exclusives are one of the biggest perks and advantages of playing on a PlayStation.

Just look at the PS1/PS2/PS3 (especially PS3) they are OOZING with AAA exclusives, usually so much that many players aren't even able to play them all in a single generation. Whereas the AAA exclusives for the 360, for example, can practically be counted on one hand. Halo, GeOW, and Fable. That's about it. The rest were multiplats that 360 fanboys considered as exclusives.

This time however, PS has the exclusive advantage AND the multiplat advantage. Yet somehow the PS4 is criticized for the "lack" of AAA exclusives? Amazing how powerful a voice the extreme minority has to get people to believe this. Guess it's kind of like the XB1 fanboys cheering about dedicated servers in online games as if it is something new and special that PlayStation folks don't have... yet dedicated servers have been a common occurrence since the PS3 first released. And is something the XB community is only just now (almost a decade later) getting to enjoy.

[Ozmoses]

a game is a game...

from "kick the can" all the way to electronic gaming

[Neonridr]

so then, based off the devs claim of AAA coming in the future, it would be safe to say that the PS4 is an indie machine currently. I don't mind indie titles, there are some really awesome ones, but it's nice to play full titles as well. Thank god for TLOU Remastered, otherwise I wouldn't be getting a new game for my PS4 until September when Destiny drops. And the last game I bought was back in May when Watch Dogs released.

[Kayant]

"it would be safe to say that the PS4 is an indie machine currently" - In what way? And most times in it's life cycle this will always be the case because there is a lot more indie devs and cost/time to develop is less. Do third parties not count?

We don't need the dev's word to see this is true we know every Sony studio is working on a PS4 game.

Now the lack of AAA exclusives on PS4 meme going about is a bit silly.

2014 titles from MS/Sony/Nintendo

PS4
I:SS
MLB:The Show
Driveclub
LittleBigPlanet 3
The Last of Us Remastered

Wii U
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Mario Kart 8
Hyrule Warriors
Bayonetta 2
Super Smash Bros. Wii U
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker

XB1
Halo:MCC
Sunset Overdrive
Forza Horizon 2

These titles are all published by MS/Sony/Nintendo and are developed by either a first or second party in a partnership to count.

If you want to include third-party exclusives like TF, Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn, etc

Not counting clausal titles like singstar, kinect rivals, Dance Central Spotlight, etc.

With all that said if you even add the stuff I excluded the PS4 overall wouldn't be out by a lot 3-4 titles maybe.

Source - http://www.gamespot.com/art...

[ramiuk1]

if SONY supporting the small gaming development teams means its branded as a "indie console"then im fine with that,at least someone is supporting the up and coming talent.

every list proves that ps4 has more games coming out for it and what is better is opinion.

i wonder what xboners next excuse will be for xbone next stumble.

[Chevalier]

Don't forget PS4 console exclusives/ 3rd party exclusives.

Bound By Flame
Natural Doctrine
Guilty Gear Xrd
Tropico 5
Samurai Warrior 4
Moto GP 14
Air Force Conflicts: Vietnam
Akiba's Trip

UK exclusives like:
Tour de France 2014 are also available only on PS4/PS3 NOT Xbone.

[S2Killinit]

its not an "indie machine" the only reason this argument has come up is because PS4 clearly gets more games, the Microsoft camp has spread this rumor and the gullible (or willingly blind) have accepted it. Fact is, that the only difference between the two consoles is that one of them is not getting indie support (thus LESS games). The list does not lie. I invite anyone who wants to post that the PS4 is an indie machine, to attach a copy of the list of upcoming games for both consoles to their argument so everyone can see how correct they are.

[Neonridr]

That statement still has nothing to do with Microsoft, so I don't even know why you are bringing them in.

It's not hard to see that 2014 has not been a big year for Sony in terms of releasing games, 1st or 3rd party for that matter.

The fact that Microsoft is even worse shape in that department shouldn't matter. That's not what my comment was about.

[S2Killinit]

true, but its all relative. "Not a big year for Sony" is a relative statement. Either you are comparing the offerings to Sony's PS3, in which case the fairer comparison is to compare the offerings of the PS3's first year in which case PS4 has the better offering (if my memory serves me right). OR you are comparing PS4's offerings to the competition, to which I'm pointing out the fact that again the PS4 has a claim of offering more. If you mean that you're comment is made in a vacuum, such as your expectations, well, then that is a very subjective comment and maybe you should make it clear that you are speaking about your own feelings.

PS: my comment was not made in opposition to what you were saying by the way. I just wanted to point out that considering the realities of a launch lineup, i disagreed with the part about PS4 "currently" being an indie machine. That statement is often made by people who don't know or don't care about the facts, I was just pointing that out. but having read your comment again i see what you mean. you were not trolling and I just assumed you meant to compare.

[imt558]

Pretty lame article. How many games has Xbone?

EDIT :

@Catopelas

Little more than fewer :

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Also some are not listed on PS4 list, but they came out on PSN.

[Catoplepas]

Fewer than the PS4.

[mrpsychoticstalker]

Show us the real games Sony.

[guyman]

show us some brains, stalker

[Master-H]

He doesn't know what that is, he's probably gon confuse it with a BJ lul

[S2Killinit]

show us the real games microsoft.

what came out this month for xbone by the way?

[FullmetalRoyale]

This may seem a little off, but I consider Guacamelee to be a REAL game. I had a blast with it while waiting for The Last of Us Remastered to release. And I am looking forward to having more fun with it. While you obviously are a bit of a troll, I have to believe that you can see reason.

Not everyone who enjoys, what I am going to call "downloadable titles" as indie doesn't fit some of these accurately, is someone that grew up on these types of games. I'm genuinely surprised by how many of my younger co-workers enjoy "old school" type games.

Some people want games that are fun. The Last of Us(AAA) is one of my favorite games of all time, alongside Snake Eater and Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask. I can understand NOT liking games like Guacamelee.

What I cannot fathom is the attitude of "show us the real games".

The "real" games? This isn't really directed towards you, as I've already acknowledged your trolling status. Thus eliminating any hope of an actual conversation. This is for the many more NON trolls that feel the way you feel about smaller titles.

I love the fact that for fifteen bucks I can not only get a game that I really enjoy, but actually has a platinum trophy, which I didn't expect.

[kenshin12789]

indiestation 4

[Angels3785]

in your little dream world

[DanielGearSolid]

Who cares about the untrue Ps4 has no games phrase anymore?

Obviously the majority of gamers don't

Ps4 HW/SW sales are what counts, and in that respect, ps4 is all good

[AgentSmithPS4]

They're trying the old "A lie told often enough becomes the truth" crap. If you want to waste time fighting about what you play games on (instead of actually playing games) then you might want to do some research first so you don't look like a fool, and so companies don't take advantage of you (while they have a good laugh and roll in their money).

[nosferatuzodd]

Every list I've seen ps4 out number xbone in games and yet these idiots writing this garbage. Lol
Some people are really sheeple
Etc 214 line up
Iss
Mlb the show
Little big planet
Lost of us

Xbox1
Halo master chief collection
Sunset overdrive

[PrinceOfAllSaiyans]

When was the last time Xb1 got a triple a exclusive ? Because I want to know where all these Xb1 exclusives are, I own an Xb1 and would really like to know.

It's funny when PS4 gets an indie it's a bad thing but when WiiU or XB1 gets an indie it's the best thing ever.

[Lev1903]

Why did you buy aan XB1 then?

[Ryan741]

It is a console mainly for indies but you do get the odd blockbuster, there is nothing wrong with that.

[disKinected]

Just like xb1 is a console with inferior multiplats, but you do get odd 1080p game, there is nothing wrong with that too.

[Ryan741]

You do have a point, especially the older multiplats but that will most likely change in the future. Its just a shame with PlayStation you are stuck with an inferior pad and online network.

[SpinalRemains138]

Fair points both in the article and here.

Image isn't everything, but the truth is that PS4 does look like an indie fest at the moment. However, both machines are obviously still in infancy and neither have a decent library of big hitters.

PS4 will have more big hitters first obviously, due to its user base being much larger, much quicker and subsequently more economically viable as a platform for said heavy hitters.

The games will come.

[jnemesh]

This whole "indie" argument is becoming tiresome! Hey, Xbots! How many "AAA" games for PS4 were displaced, delayed, or cancelled due to an "indie" game being published? ZERO!!!!

The PS4 has MORE "AAA" titles than the Xbox One, by the way...but it also has more games TOTAL.

All of this whining about "crap indies" is just Xbox fans pissed off that their console of choice has fewer games. Sour grapes indeed!

[DualWielding]

actually no, I think the complains come primarily from younger gamers who jumped to buy a PS4 too early and do not understand that first year of consoles are always slow.

[beerzombie]

yep its these young hateful dumb ass gamers who only buy a console to say they own it.
They seem not to care about gaming and its future. This call of duty game raised child has infected gaming. Now big companies are taking advantage of it and will eventually ruin gaming for all of us who been around from the start.
1968

[Starks]

Why is this a big deal all of a sudden? Indie games, if you can believe it, are still games. Games that if I buy more than 1 of, can provide me with more content than some huge AAA titles people kept pestering about.

That's not really a knock on AAA titles, but if people complained about those same AAA titles for all its DLC and little content and innovation, then they should not really say much when it comes to indie titles priced accordingly.

[blackblades]

At the end of the day a game is a game no matter what it is. Does it matter considering tens of thousands of people play COD all day everyday, same for BF and FF14. Other just bs and refuse to play something for stupid reasons.

[Macdaddy71]

Then Sony needs to fix that,
I feel right now I game $400 for a over size Ipad, if they don't want there console to be looked at that way they are the only ones that can fix it,
Come on there biggest games so far is a remaster ps3 game n indie games!!!!! How did Sony think gamers would look at it,..
I own a ps4 n have 3 X1 friends that want to pick up the ps4 so we can play all the great games, but they feel like they should just go buy a ipad cheaper,

[disKinected]

What a load of rubbish and lies..

My friend just bought an xb1 and he thinks it's a garbage system with below average games.. He now uses it mainly as a watercooler...see I can do it too.

[beerzombie]

We all have a friend who thinks the others consoles sucks.

[shadowsmoke36]

If thats the case what's wrong with you trying something different other then sports and shooters. A guy like you would never play a game like final fantasy but run to a rerun of cod anytime it repeats itself am I wrong? Bet most of the titles ps4 has you overlook because you can't seem to get over yourself that its not a shooter fest like xbox consoles. You must be a new gamer because older gamers remember before their were a microsoft and didn't care about nothing but shooters heck and if you have gamed as long as me EA's trash of sports titles. I bet you think graphics is all that matters while nice it's the real gameplay that matters more.It is a reason they say the ps2 had the best lineup of all time and the graphics were nowhere near what they are today but yet Microsoft managed to pull those same titles but yeah you expect something always new from Sony first and I say why so Microsoft can swoop in and say me to like they did with KH3.

[Macdaddy71]

Wait Black a game is not a game, they are big diff in A type games over indie,.. Talk like that is why we don't have the games we should by now on next gen

[qzp]

indie games are love, indie games are life.

[DualWielding]

My question to people who are complaining is do you remember how things were at the beginning of the previous gen..... yes you have few Triple A next gen exlusive games, lots of indies, and lots of cross-gen ports..... However prvious generations you got about the same amount of triple A games at the same stage in the console life cycle with no indies or cross-gens so it was way worse

I think the issues is that there are lots of younger gamers for whom this is their first console generation transition who had very unrealistic expectations about what they'll be getting in the first year of the console..... Experienced gamers know buying a console at launch is not normally a good idea

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

Indie console? really? come on! the system has plenty of AAA games coming out soon. Straight up! this is coming from xbox fanboys, mad at the fact that the precious xbox one doesn't have many games being launched on it.
Call it what you want, but the indiestation is kicking the circuits out of xbox one.
Oh one more thing, it does have AAA games!

[shadowsmoke36]

Guess they can't get over the fact that destiny will have more content first. But funny they want to throw up the MC collection and Halo 5 but cry about tlou getting a remaster. Yeah you getting more games with the MC and sure it is visually improved but tlou did the same double standards much. It is never how you start but how you finish.And while we have a low count for this year next year will be higher and so forth.

[modesign]

i hope you complainers dont have a wiiu, otherwise your only playing mario, mario, mario, zelda.

lol at the wrath from the wiikids

[Artista]

The consoles are only 9 months old people. There are games on every platform.. Why so sensitive?

[ThatOneRiggaNob]

Man this comment section got crazy really quick lol. It's like a full on war in here.

OT I will admit the ps4 has way more games than Xbox One that's just common knowledge anyone with basic math skills can see that but a lot of those games just don't interest me for 2014 at least. I'm not a big fan of indies so I mostly only play them if they're free. I also have very little interest in the f2p lineup but that's just my opinion. So overall PS4 has way more games but X1 just has the games for me atm. Once March rolls around and Bloodborne comes out I'll be on my PS4 with a big smile on my face.

[shadowsmoke36]

Yeah and if it really mattered you could just get a pc and get better quality without all the microtransactions. talking to you KI and Forza. Now that they are out of the way after titanfall what exactly do you have to play now? Let me guess your the shooter or sports gamer but nothing else matters. I am willing to bet if FF was on the one you would be playing that.

[ThatOneRiggaNob]

uhhh I actually played FF (I'm guessing Final Fantasy 14) on the ps3 when it was in beta and I decided I didn't care too much for it. Also I don't play much sports games but I do play just about anything else I'm pretty sure my gamerscore will show that. Nice try though. Also you're right there isn't much for me to play atm but I saw that coming when I purchased an Xbox One. I played all the games I wanted to play from launch to now so I'm just waiting for August to roll around so I can start playing more games.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

people fight more about the games that they can play, more then they actually play them

[Lev1903]

Im amazed just how many people on this site cant handle critisme and directlt attaca Xbox for an article that not even mentions THE Xbox.True or not iT just shows how mature you guys are.

I personaly traded my ps4 for Xbox because THE line up in 2014 is beter then ps4 IMO. (Titanfall, Forza,sunset and mcc)

Mlb THE show is not interesting for me.
Tlou is a masterpiece wich i already played on THE ps3.
Lbp3 is not made by previous dev.
And driveclub loods amazing but i prefer Forza.

ITS à preferente and everybidy knows that Sony Will beat ms in terms of exclusives. But There is not na interesting selectieknop richt Now

[Lev1903]

*Its a preference and everyone knows that sony will beat MS in terms of exclusives, but there is not an interesting collection right now.

[TongkatAli]

People who talk shit about indies are just hating. Yup, a 15 dollar game is more fun then your 65 dollar "AAA" game get over it and get owned.

[Phoenix76]

Nothing more than a flame bait article. Move along peeps, nothing to see here.

[Revengeance]

LMAO the Xbox drones out in full force putting out their baseless claims and false statements. They are a disgrace every single one of them. Thank God I don't game with any of them. I don't wanna catch their stupid.

[Petebloodyonion]

Okay my take on this article,

Let's compare this year of gaming to this year in the movie Biz.
Now I want you to remove all new Summer blockbuster movie
And we will replace all of that by a remake of the Avengers in 4k resolutions (with better frame rate).
Now we still have the usual A- movie like need for speed or franchise movies like Transformers.
But we will triple the offer of independent film and they can only be viewed in small theater (downloadable).
And that in a nutshell is year 2013 and 2014 for the PS4.

Now before you hit the disagree button while spamming that the ps4 (or Xbone) has lots game?
Please by all mean, tell me what new game did you bought at Gamestop, recently, that I can't play on my 6 year old ps3 or my 4 year old steam pc ?

[Monkeycan8]

Wait last Gen I thought Indie games were one of the reasons to buy the 360!? whats with the flip?

[Max-Zorin]

Lmao at these comments. Playstation and Xbox owners are not friendly people.

[BlackCountryBob]

What is an indie game anymore. People talk like these games are all like pixel junk or something, look at Outlast or the upcoming no mans sky to see indies does not mean charming puzzler or scrolling beatem up. Indie is to me just the name we give to games which release on digital only and are on the whole not published by one of the big publishing houses, why wouldn't you spend £20 on one if those games and get 15 hours play from it.

[mobijoker]

That's a compliment IMO...
Indie games are going big with the help of Indie GoGO and kickstarter...
Innovation was already there and now funding is there too...
Indies are the AAAs of this gen...Don't believe me? Look at Divinity:Original Sin, Star Citizen or Wastelands 2...

[corroios]

The Xbox One doesnt have a single triple A exclusive in 2014 until this day... The only game people can talk is Titanfall that you can play in other consoles (360, PC) and therefore is not a exclusive.

So if the PS4 doesnt have exclusives.... what do you say about the Xbox One?

[Father__Merrin]

ps4 has more games, retail - downloadable - indie

let's leave it at that shall we. what a stupid article

[bez87]

this is only coming from young gamers who have never been at a console launch, it was the same last time round, we hardly had any games and the worst was we didn't even have any indie's to hold us over, i'm glad with have them, otherwise it would be a long wait, games aren't made in a week, like some fans think.

[Alsybub]

It's the same every generation. It's only with the advent of the internet and everyone being able to get up on their soap box and spout that we hear about it all the time.

When I used to be an import gamer we used to buy a new console and there may have only been three or four games available for it for the first year until it was released in the west but we didn't even think about it. It's just how it was with new hardware. By the time it finally released in the West developers had an additional year to get their titles ready for launch. Now, with global releases, we are experiencing the same thing that Japanese gamers and import gamers had for around a decade and a half and people just don't get it. It's simply what has always happened with new hardware but now we're allexperiencing it.

Devs haven't had that year of development time that they used to get in previous generations. Hence why 2015 is looking far more healthy.

[Adolph Fitler]

Considering it usually takes a FULL year or more to get those types of games on a new console, is just more Sony bashing fodder, for the haters... I mean, XBOne for instance, are they trying to tell us has a single has an exclusive AAA? Which one, Killer Instinct ???lol, Dead Rising 3?, yeah right... Or maybe Titanfell: The Not Near A Full Game Edition??? ah, nope, not only is it less than quarter a game, it is also not of AAA standard.

I much prefer having KZ:SF, Infamous:SS, MLB, as well as some awesome d/l titles, many of which I got as a bonus for being a PS+ member.. these coupled with some awesome multiplats & some awesome Wii-U exclusives is great....

And, I would kill if Sony could somehow make the entire PS3 PSN library compatible with PS4, & current owners of said games, could pay like a $1 or $2 transfer fee to have them on PS4 also.... There are tonnes of awesome indie's on PS3's PSN, & also on 360's Live for that matter, that I would like to see come to PS4, even if straight conversions. And any supposed "gamer" that calls Sony out for wanting a mass of indie's on there machine, to accompany the big developers titles, as well as inhouse,... well, those people are sadly just morons, with limited understanding of the industry, & unlimited understanding of ignorance.

@ Petebloodyonion... Infamous:SS would be my choice.

[Mkai28]

What does Xbox have anything to do with this? Seeing you want to mention and bash because PS4 has lack of AAA. Anyone can see that AAA is slightly more abundant on Xbox. PS4s is not that bad, so ppl need to get a grip..

PS4: MLB
KillZone SF
Infamous second son
Last of us ( I'll even throw that in)

XB1: Ryse
Dead Rising 3
Forza 5
Titanfall
Killer instinct

[kantenkopf]

Forget about the IndieStation 4 and ascend to the PC Masterrace. We have lots of AAA-Games that we gift, share or buy for an insanely ridiculous price that it almost feels like stealing.

[Steptoe]

I'm confident in my choice of console. PS4 has nothing at all to worry about.

[Hardcore_gamerxbox]

It's true Xbox one so far had more AAA games than ps4