Yoshida: I don't understand people who only want AAA

"We are concerned a little bit when we work on a game like LittleBigPlanet 3, because people want those big-budget, realistic, military shooters"

[60FramesPerSecond]

I honestly thought Little bigPlanet was AAA. it certainly felt like it. It had good voice narration and gameplay. seemed big budget to me.

[colonel179]

Yoshida has it all wrong and that makes me worried!

First of all, LBP is a AAA game, and military shooters is the least we want. Also if he is referring to COD, that in no way is AAA game.

With that mentality, no wonder why Sony is so focused of indies. :(

[vallencer]

People refer to AAA as blockbuster hits. Which most certainly means COD is AAA. Yeah people hate it but it sells millions which get it to be a blockbuster. LBP isn't "AAA" per Se. In quality wise then yes but it doesn't sell enough to be a blockbuster hit. Either way it doesn't matter to me as I like LBP.

[Heisenburger]

"AAA"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I'm sure you know more than Shu. Lol That's some intense vanity right there folks!

Ot: I like a bit of everything. No Man's Sky, Dragon Age, Destiny, and Minecraft PS4 edition are the games I'm counting down the days for.

[Eonjay]

"We are concerned a little bit when we work on a game like LittleBigPlanet 3, because people want those big-budget, realistic, military shooters"

This goes back to what Microsoft was saying. Phil complemented Sony on their willingness to do projects like Puppeteer which aren't mass market shooters. The problem is the risk involved with investing in a game that you don't expect to see a massive return on.

The question is whether you want Microsoft and Sony to focus exclusively on military shooters or do you want them to go for variety? If they invest in and produce an non shooter, will you give it a try? Doing so will motivate them to be more experimental with their titles which can produce some unique games.

[uth11]

Putting the confusing terminology aside, I think what Yoshida is saying is that the industry seems fixated on big games with ultra-violent content, and they are concerned when making a game like LBP 3, that gamers won't be receptive to it.

AAA means different things to different people.
I see it as meaning big-budget
Others see it is big-sellers or a great game.

[christian hour]

pre-2005 AAA used to mean a quality game, then sometime during the last generation the terminology changed and it confused A LOT of people, myself included. (Yahtzee Croshaw especially is confused and jaded about this haha)

But I'm with Yoshida, I don't understand people who only want AAA (blockbuster, usually low on substance, titles), my friend msg'd me today complaining about the abundance of "quirky, pretty looking indie games" and asked me "where are all the explosive 3d shooters and action games?"... I... I didn't know how to respond. I just curled in to a ball and wept for my hobby.

[christian hour]

To people complainging theres too many indie games and not enough big budget games... Keep this one little thing in mind and it will make a lto of sense...

Big Budget titles take 3+ years to make (unless yr selling 60 euro expansion packs like ea sports or activision)

Indie titles can take from 6 months to a year, sometimes a little more. Of course theres gone to be more of the games that take less time to make.

We had tonnes of indie games on XBLA and PSN last gen too, why is this suddenly a problem? In fact if XBLA never started doing what it does back in 2005, we probably wouldnt be where we are today, I don't understand the haters. We're getting more choice and more games more often, whats the problem? You don't HAVE to buy them, those big budget games are still coming out just as regularly as they used to.

Todays generation of gamers act like a spoilt bunch of whiney babies.

[Sevir]

LBP has been very profitable for Sony, retail games don't necessarily mean AAA budget. Puppeteer was a mid tier Game set between Big budget AAA and small indie. LBP has always sold well, but it's considered a small size budget game. LBP sold 4 million with a 5-10 million dollar budget. LBP2 budget was between 10-15 million, MM spent 6 million on R&D for improving LBP2 and also towards Vita development. They are studio that grew from 14 core members to 25... Even now as the churn away on PS4 they still remain a small team.

Uncharted 1,2 & 3 all cost 25 million to make, TLOU was in the upwards of 40 million, factoring in Delay, and R&D with launching a new IP.

People think AAA means it's a score or the fact that it launches on a retail disc. It everything to do with scale of budget and production. Puppeteer and Sniper Elite 3 launched with a price of $40 they aren't AAA by scale or budget, but mid tier productions. I believe that LBP is by very definition a game of that tier, but it sells bucket loads. And it was refreshing to see them announce LBP3

[NewMonday]

for something to be truly AAA it needs to be:

good
big
successful

nothing can be called AAA before it is released and fulfills those criteria.

a game like Witcher2 fulfilled all 3 but it was still an indy game and cost only 7 million to develop.

[JohnJ]

Worrying these comments... If I only wanted indie games I'd just play casual on my iPad. Why bother uprgrading £300 just to play games that could be on last gen? I know some indie games are fun, but AAA's sell consoles. Gotta be the primary focus!

[HonestDragon]

"I was very happy to get a very positive reaction when we announced LittleBigPlanet 3. We are concerned a little bit when we work on a game like LittleBigPlanet 3, about how people will react, because people want those big-budget, realistic, military shooters. But there were lots of cheers, a lot of affection."

This quote gives me the idea that LittleBigPlanet is not AAA. Typically, AAA games are more often than not consistent with a high budget. If LBP doesn't have a high budget, then it can't exactly be categorized as AAA. Sometimes some games just fall in the middle and aren't exactly AAA or indie.

I'm personally very happy that LittleBigPlanet will be having a new addition. The presentation at E3 showed me a new games I can play with my friends.

[alexkoepp]

It's simple little Japanese man, we don't have unlimited time for games. So when we play, we want the highest quality games, we don't want to waste those precious hours on mediocrity.

[VealParmHero]

AAA is not the grade given to the game. So even if you hate CoD, it is practically the textbook definition of a AAA game. Also, it is good to see Sony embrace indies (MS has been doing this as well), but to claim that indies is somehow their main focus is also wrong. They have plenty of AAA exclusives and multiplats heading to their consoles. I do agree about LBP, I always thought it was a AAA game, seemed to be so at least.

[TitanUp]

AAA in the gaming industry refers to a big budget title not metacritic quality.

[BattleTorn]

I agree LBP is AAA in my mind.

But Call of Duty NOT AAA? WTF??!!!!!!!

[sonic989]

you know what now I AM WORRIED .
if AAA means more shooters then count me out .
i didnt get any xbox console because it focuses mainly on shooters now if Sony wants to go that path then FOR THE FIRST i will switch to nintendo i cant stand shooters anymore just cant whether it was uncharted call of duty battlefield .
BUT RIME LBP3 and ratchet's new game gives me some hope there .

[bouzebbal]

yeah i'm kinda confused about that.
i don't give a damn about COD and lots of AAA games, but to me definitely LBP3 is the type of game i am expecting until new original IPs of the same type hit the shelves.

[sonic989]

you know what i saw the article .
shuhei is totally right here .
AAA he meant not indie games ( i like indie games ).
he was happy that nintendo received a great praise for IPs like splatoon which by far looks very interesting as shooter for me in my opinion .
am sorry if i was nagging too much its just after last i just started to hate the sound of guns ( military or normal ) in video games that .
last gen was very bad in my opinion the worst playstation for sony game wise was the PS3 .
PS1 was a legend ( i had it with the dreamcast and saturn )
PS2 was AN EPIC DREAM .
PS3 some games were awesome but the majority were shooters or cinematic games which led me to start questioning the relevancy of the movie industry and cinemas in general .

[Magnes]

@heisenberger "Inconceivable"

[ThanatosDMC]

I thought AAA meant that it had a lot of money as their budget.

COD is not AAA with their recycled maps and everything but they do sell lots.

GTA5 was AAA.

[CYCLEGAMER]

Sorry but this just seems weird coming from Sony, the company that has historically taken much pride in AAA exclusives/games.

[VGViewpoint]

@vallencer AAA means budget and you can easily tell. LBP is AAA as its a big game in budget and studio and it also sold at least 5.5 million copies.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

[SolidStoner]

seem's Im one of them...

Gran turismo, Battlefield, Hitman, Fallout, GTA, Melat Gear and sometimes even COD.. all of them my favorite games.. seems that AAA is my thing now.. but years ago I finished millions of PC and PS2 games.. now I just dont have time for small games. I buy only HUGE AAA.. most of us do, thats a fact :D

[Irishguy95]

There are so many idiots in this comment section I have to leave N4G and let my brain heal for a while.

[sonic989]

Sony focus on their job just give us a PS2 like lineup and i will be happy .
@ irishguy
try water which doesnt include fluoride on it and your brain might feel better ,
might because i dont know how much damage it did receive all those years

[BlackWolf12]

Oh wow really?

So now the next-generation of the gaming community has ruined things once again.

AAA didn't refer to a game that sells the most, AAA USED TO refer to a title which was of the highest quality and wasn't a financial failure.

By the old definition, LBP is AAA.

[BattleAxe]

"Yoshida: I don't understand people who only want AAA"

Then he doesn't understand me. I look forward to being dazzled by the latest biggest game franchises. I absolutely do not want to buy tons of smaller games. I like games that can keep my attention two, three, four years after they release. This is why I still play Bad Company 2, Killzone 3 Multiplayer, Rainbow Six Vegas 2 co-op and so on and so on.

[tuglu_pati]

In the video game industry, AAA (pronounced "triple A") is a classification term used for games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion.[1][2][3][4] A title considered to be AAA is therefore expected to be a high quality game and to be among the year's bestsellers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

That's what I always thought AAA meant.

[ShinMaster]

Uhh... Sony is not in charge of making indie games.

ALL of their first-party AAA studios are working on PS4 games.

[UltraNova]

@Sevir

Can you please provide sources for the numbers you wrote?

I find it kind of difficult to believe Uncharted 2 and 3 costed just 25 million...

OT: I thing Yoshida was misunderstood here... He and Sony where always into venturing in new waters and experiment on new weird/unusual/quirky games, that's what we love about Sony dont we? At least that's why I do.

But most people dont like trying something they dont know, something new and out of their comfort zone, that's why the most popular genres like shooters get the attention they get and earn their AAA status, by providing that familiar experience.

For me games like LBP, Heavy Rain, Flower etc are AAA because they dare doing something new and are pretty good as well. Remember Shadow of Colossus? For me that games dwarfs the CODs the Halos the Killzones and pretty much everything thrown at it.

I became a gamer and probably will die a gamer because I wanted to live new experiences through fascinating worlds in games. Yearly updates like COD, Battlefield and other tired over-recycled games just aren't my cup of tea.

[Dark11]

Yeah the same here.
..

What's so hard to understand for yoshida? Some people prefer different types of experiences it's simple as that.

[lelo]

"Yoshida: I don't understand people who only want AAA"

Is this a excuse because Sony isn't producing as many AAA exclusives for the PS4/Vita as in the time of the PS3/PSP ?

In all honesty, Sony this gen has been relying way too much on indies. There are nice indie titles out there, but what defines a console are it's AAA exclusives.

[Majin-vegeta]

His whole comment was taken out of context.

He is simply saying that he is happy that people had a positive reaction to a game that wasn't a military shooter.

"I was very happy to get a very positive reaction when we announced LittleBigPlanet 3. We are concerned a little bit when we work on a game like LittleBigPlanet 3, about how people will react, because people want those big-budget, realistic, military shooters. But there were lots of cheers, a lot of affection."

Do you really think they aren't investing in AAA content?

Credit goes to EonJay.

[stormfire78412]

Sony is broke so they have to rely on Indies....they can't afford to put out the AAA like they did with the ps3....iam not buying a ps4 to play Indies, f2p, 2 AAA'S (if that) a year, maybe it will b worth it in 2yra but right now the ps4 sucks

[mrpsychoticstalker]

totally agree with you, Sony is looking for a way to justify their support of indies which we know are much more affordable than triple AAA.

I like Indies, but you don't spend $400 to play indies. really....

I personally spend $500 to play the best experiences, great stories, great multiplayer with friends, good graphics, sound, the whole package.

occasionally I play indies when I don't want to spend more than 20 or 40 minutes on a game.

triple AAA I probably spend 4 to 5 hours.

[Darkstares]

All these delays are certainly not helping PS4 owners. What Yoshida fails to acknowledge is some people buy new systems for games that are only possible on the new hardware. That's why games like Uncharted get so much attention. So it would be a shame for Sony to slow down that kind of support. They already confirmed this to be the case for Vita.

Maybe Sony realizes they lost so much money last generation that they are now trying to be conservative on AAA game production?

[Muzikguy]

And LBP is 60FPS!! I kid, I kid.

AAA doesn't have to mean insane budget and crazy production time. In all honesty, many AAA games I've seen recently aren't worth it. (Diablo3, WD come to mind). Although my 2 examples can be taken either way, I think those 2 games were disappointing. Then you have others like the last Aliens game and Thief. If I can get a game like LBP3 and still be playing it 6+ months later WITHOUT DLC, that's worth $60 imo.

[Killzoner99]

LBP is AAA for sure. Yoshida is just being modest about it. Also LBP is way more AAA than COD. COD is just a rubbish rehash game while LBP offers new and innovative changes every time a new entry is released. Sackboy is one of the most recognizable and well known characters in video game history .

[bennissimo]

Exactly. LBP moved a lot of units.

[Bigpappy]

I am one of those people who primarily buy AAA games. I don't have time to play a lot of games, and am very selective about how I spend my money.

Having said that, I am not a shooter fanatic. I prefer RPG's and more specifically real-time action, opened world RPG's is where my preference lies. Elder Scrolls sells a bout load too, and there are no guns in that game last I checked.

Great AAA games require a lot of thought, planning and attention to detail.

[geddesmond]

No hes got it all wrong, adults like me just don't want kids games or crap shovel ware indie games that are only good for 5 minutes and then get boring real fast.

I don't want FPS shooters either unless and does something new and fresh.

I want developers to bring use new worlds with exciting and on the edge stories that also have good gameplay that you can master to be good at it. I also want games that give you freedom and choice, and not choice as in whatever you do affects the story and you have to play it 10 times to see all the results. Choice as in I can go about missions in stealth or guns blazing, I have a choice between 100s of weapons to use all unique, I can customize those weapons to the way I want them and I can customze my character to my style including favorite colour.

I want games to be like GTA, MGS or red dead that offer those things I want. What I really don't want and I hate that its been shoved down my throat this gen is all these indie games that look crap graphically, that can be done on PS2 and feel like a huge step back in gaming.

No mans Sky! are people really saying that flying around a universe doing pretty mucg f all except look at crappy graphics of crappy worlds created is gonna be a game they'll pay for hours on end like a GTA GAME?

[Revolver_X_]

Lol. You want games with new worlds, freedom, and choice. Im sorry, that sounds an awful lot like No Mans Sky. Mighty hypocritical arent we? You name drop GTa and Red Dead which are linear sand boxes. Open worlds, but confined by mission parameters. Honestly, outside of mission you just cause trouble. That gets old as well.

It sux that your experiences are limited to those very specific details. Shovel Knight is the best game Ive played this year. 20 hours invested in it, and it was only $14.99. I payed $60 for AC4 and only got 10 hours from it. You should calm down and actually enjoy a game, not its PR department. Indies are a 'thing' now. Its here to stay. There are thousands of gamers that enjoy them like I do. You ever wanna try some, msg me. I'll recommend some.

[MajorGecko]

im with geddesmond, I only have time to play AAA games i play those free indie games from PS+ sometimes but close them after 5-10 mins n never open again. I hope microsoft up's the AAA game making 10x so Sony can get a kick in the ass.

[TheWackyMan]

@Revolver_x_ bless you, for doing gods work.

[geddesmond]

@Revolver X

Nice try at twisting words but we all know you know what I meant but tried to make your argument have legs. Actually my favorite games so far this year are Infamous, FF14 and Warframe, all games I have put 100 hours and in FF14 case even more. Whats 20 hours on a game when you can put 100s into a game and still not get bored.

Same for GTA5. I played that game nearly everyday for 4 months until I bought a PS4. Your the one who has his experience limited. There is so many AAA games out there that offer 100 plus hours of experience yet you want to argue that Indie is the future and you only get 20 hours out of them lol.

[ShutUpDonny]

Same problem with movies. I'll take a Wes Anderson movie over a Michael Bay anytime! And by the way, I do have a problem with indies : to many platformers! It's just a genre that I can't stand anymore. Other indies are great.

[-Foxtrot]

At the end of the day it really depends on the type of film/game

Like you said about Wes Anderson and Michael Bay. If it was between Transformers and The Grand Budapest Hotel then I'd pick Anderson 100 times over....however if it was between Bad Boys 3 (Someday) and Moonrise Kingdom then I'd pick Bad Boys 3.

Depends really...the same goes for Indies and AAA games.

[ShutUpDonny]

You're not wrong, even if I liked Moonrise Kingdom.

[MrDead]

Wes Anderson? Dude, I saw you as more of a Coen brothers fan.

Anyway give me Grim Fandango over any COD game.

[zeuanimals]

Well, Coen brothers' films aren't really indie, but neither are Wes Anderson's. They can both be kind of quirky which gives off that stereotypical indie vibe.

When people think indie films, they tend to think the actors are all hipsters, the soundtrack is all indie pop/rock (indie pop is a term that never made sense to me), and everything is quirky. Tons of people thought Scott Pilgrim vs. The World was indie because of this, even though it was backed by Universal and it had a huge budget with a giant cast and a well-known director.

[ShutUpDonny]

They are both in my heart... and Grim Fandango to! And Day of the Tentacle would be awesome on the Vita.

[zeuanimals]

Yup. People keep using "indie" as a catch all for everything like it's a genre. Indie simply means the dev doesn't have a publisher. There are big budget indie games like Star Citizen and there are cheaper ones like Super Meat Boy and they are both nothing a like.

This is where it gets messy though, some indies become big and publish their own games meaning they're technically not indie anymore, like Mojang (Minecraft devs).

[zerog]

Not really. Indie was a term coined for entertainmen ventures that are independently produced. Originally refering to movies and games made with small teams and budgets but has got to the point where people who have more money are producing their own indies. Sometimes if an indie draws enough attention a bigger publisher like universal in movies or capcom in games will publish it for a cut because if its popular enough they have the infrastructure to produce it on a larger scale then actual indie publishers. If ten guys produce a movie or game with $100,000 its an indie but when one guy does the same with $10,000,000 its still technically an indie because it qas independently funded. Just check the indie section of netflix and you'll see what i mean.

[christian hour]

Wes, coens, YAY! I like this discussion :D

Can we give Edgar Wrights visual style an honorable mention too? He's the only comedy director I know of not being lazy with how he shoots his comedy or uses visual gags (e.g the moving scene from london to the countryside in Hot Fuzz).

I don't like being spoon fed my stories, it's great that, despite all the reality tv garbage thats out there and the horrible movies, we still get great auteurs telling stories using every aspect of the medium through pacing, lighting, direction, set design etc, instead of relying on actors speaking words at you all the time. I think we're living through a golden age of TV too, and I think we're at the start of a video game golden age with games liek the walking dead and TLOU pushing narrative to a new level (for video games)

@Zeuanimals plus bubs for knowing your shit :D

[Beastforlifenoob]

Quentin Tarantino>Every director ever

[ShutUpDonny]

Maybe not the best ever, but he is great. If you like Tarantino's old films, you should try Takeshi Kitano's crime movies like Sonatine. Very slow, but I THINK Kitano was one of Tarantino's inspiration for a lot of his movies.

[Rimeskeem]

You gotta admit that LBP changed the way a platformer could work

[ShutUpDonny]

Yes, some platformers, like LBP, are amazingly originals, fun, and wonderful pieces of art. I just never feel the need to finish those games. After a couple stages, I'm done. It's really just a personal preference.

[truefan1]

Clue #2 that AAA's will be far less frequent on ps4 than in the past. Yoshida is trying his best to try to group AAA titles into a group of military shooters, that is not the case. People just want big budget games period, that is why we buy the consoles. Gamers want more Sunset Overdrive, FH2, Quantum Break, Driveclub, The Order, BloodBorne.... Yoshida is trying to increase the indie value so sony doesn't have to invest as much in big games. If indies were always so important sony wouldn't have waited until after the success of XBL arcade to start pushing them.

"I hear complaints [about the lack of AAA games]. I do realize that some people are only interested in big-budget AAA games. I don't really understand those people.

I actually agree with this quote indies have a great purpose as fillers between releases, but it becomes a problem when indies are the main entertainment of the console. As an Xb1 gamer, I'm still playing Titanfall, KI, Forza 5, and DR3, after already beating Max COB and Ryse. After ps4 fans beat kzsf and infamous, pretty much all that is left is multiplats and indie titles.

[GTgamer]

It wouldnt be a truefan1 Comment if he didn't try to take a jab at Sony Games smfh once again saying Sony fans aren't playing their games.

[Skips]

lmao... You hate on PSN games yet consider Max and Killer Instinct AAA? Max COB and Killer Instinct are mediocre XBL downloadables. Ryse is garbage, Titanfall is on PC and now so is Dead Rising 3.

"After ps4 fans beat kzsf and infamous, pretty much all that is left is multiplats and indie titles."

More like "After Xbone fans are done with Forza 5, pretty much all that is left are inferior multiplats that are better on PS4 (especially PC), and indies .... oh wait."

It'll be hilarious when even more AAA Xbone exclusives get announced for PC and the better console version of Titanfall 2 comes to PS4. lol

[marlinfan10]

Its funny how you guys complain when someone says something bad about ps4 games, and they end up with a ton more dislikes than likes. Then when someone trashes xbox games they come out with the complete opposite, alot more likes than dislikes.

And truefan didnt even really say anything bad about ps4 games. He even included some ps4 games on the list of games people want. You on the other hand straight up say xbox games are garbage and come out with a bunch of likes.

[ado908]

@marlinfan sadly that is how this site is. One talks shit to the other about their favorite brand, gets dislikes, other one talks shit back gets likes lol.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"yet consider Max and Killer Instinct AAA? Max COB and Killer Instinct are mediocre XBL downloadables. Ryse is garbage, Titanfall is on PC and now so is Dead Rising 3."

You forgot to say In my opinion btw.

[lifeisgamesok]

@Skips Xbox One just has the better exclusives no whether that's console exclusive or not

Many people don't have gaming rigs it's just a small minority compared to console owners

Microsoft has already said exclusives are their future

The way Sony are talking and promoting indies I'd question how many AAA games we'll see from them this gen

So far Xbox One has the most fun games while the PS4 games have little substance just improved graphics only

[Skips]

@marlin

"You on the other hand straight up say xbox games are garbage and come out with a bunch of likes."

Not sure why agrees and disagrees mean so much to you, but anyway. The only game I say is garbage is Ryse. (I actually played that game).

@Angelic

"Titanfall is on PC and now so is Dead Rising 3."

You forgot to say In my opinion btw."

lol Not sure how games being released on PC is an opinion but ... ok. Not sure how Max and Killer Instinct being arcade downloadables is an opinion either. Or are you that bothered by "mediocre"? I was only basing those two being mediocre off the mixed reviews it got from meta and from the disappoint from the one person I know who actually owns an Xbone who played it. So there you go.

@life

"Xbox One just has the better exclusives no whether that's console exclusive or not. Many people don't have gaming rigs it's just a small minority compared to console owners"

Wow, so much spinning from you Xbox fanboys. So do console exclusives like Final Fantasy XIV and Planetside 2 finally count? lol

"The way Sony are talking and promoting indies I'd question how many AAA games we'll see from them this gen"

Just like how you probably questioned how many they'd have compared to MS last gen? ... Oh wait.

"So far Xbox One has the most fun games while the PS4 games have little substance just improved graphics only"

Not sure why the people above aren't complaining about this OPINION either...

[marlinfan10]

Its not about the agrees its about the community on this site. The agrees and disagrees are just an example of it.

[guyman]

What the hell was clue number one?? for a person that so clearly hates sony/playstation so damn much, you certainly love to keep track of latest news/updates, etc. on them. Just shows that you're jealous of playstation's accomplishments such as the success of the ps3 or the massive number of brilliant first party studios they have and the amazing exclusives they brought to the ps3 (moving into the ps4 era).

Clues suggest Sony will bring more AAA more frequently, but obviously you are too young and lack the capacity to understand that.

@yarbie:

no, trufanboy does not mean that at all, considering he did not reference his predictably ridiculous comment to the article you're referring to. Perhaps i exaggerated my last sentence. It is obvious that the number of AAA's may be smaller due to increased cost, but that does not mean that studios and publishers don't have to deal with rising costs. Another factor for reduced number of AAA's could be, along with rising costs, rising customer expectations (more advanced graphics, physics, new tech) and the will to innovate(new ip's).

This does not mean Developer's such as Naughty dog, sucker punch or media molecule are gonnna say: "let's instead of taken 3 years to create a game take 5 years" due to these factors. AAA's will still be produced all the time by these studios. Key word "MIGHT

[yarbie1000]

Think he's refering to yoshida saying expect fewer AAA games "“We’ve been saying that the number of AAAs might be getting smaller because the cost of development for AAAs is getting higher,” he said. “But there are so many indie games and great games coming out almost every week or every other week. We’re seeing it on PS4. I hope you’re seeing it as well.” ~Yoshida" http://kotaku.com/missing-p...

And Sony recently saying Economics for AAA games on Vita don't work http://www.gamespot.com/art...

[Majin-vegeta]

@Yarbie.In that first article he was referring to the whole industry not just Sony.His words were twisted.

[imt558]

@truefan :

As an Xb1 gamer, I'm still playing Titanfall, KI, Forza 5, and DR3, after already beating Max COB and Ryse

When you and others like you every time talking about playing Ryse, DR3, Forza, KI... Do you Xbone fans really playing something else? Or you have lack of AAA games?

Difference of numbers of games on PS4 and Xbone from November to May :

http://www.dualshockers.com...

I played Wolfenstein, Thief, Watch Dogs, Transistor, Daylight, NFS : Rivals, NBA 2K14, Battlefield 4, Killzone, Knack, Resogun, Sniper Elite III....etc.

Releases for July :

PS4 :

Sniper Elite III, Crimsonland, TLOU Remaster, Oddworld, Futuridium

Xbone :

Sniper Elite III, Guacamelee Turbo Championship Edition

[zeuanimals]

Are you really playing Titanfall? The community is beyond dead and everything that's not Attrition could practically be unlisted from the game and people won't even notice. And Attrition tends to have 8-10 players tops with the same people playing every game.

So I'm happy you're happy with playing one game mode with the same people over and over again, now with even less players meaning you can have even more fun killing those braindead bots you love to defend without the distraction of real players.

And you list Max and KI, they're practically on the same page as something like Transistor and Resogun and yet you denounce those two.

So that leaves 4 games, one of which I've already stated is practically impossible to play. That leaves you with 3 games, and one of them is Ryse.

And you're missing 3 PS4 exclusives, one of them's Knack so 2 PS4 exclusives. Then there's the indies like Resogun and Transistor.

Keep denouncing indies like they're the scum of the earth when Super Time Force is one of the best games on the Xbox One. Hell, right now it is the best game on the Xbox One, atleast for me. That doesn't mean I'm not enjoying the other games on the system. Forza 5 has taken 100+ hours of my life, KI about 20 hours.

Maybe Hello Games, the devs of No Man's Sky will see all of you Xbox fanboys stating that you guys hate indies, and then they decide it's not even worth putting their games on the Xbox One because that userbase clearly seems to not want it... Is that what you guys really want? That's the most ambitious game ever and it's indie, yet you don't want any part of that.

[JohnJ]

Spot on this - gamers whine and bitch when it isn't necessary but stand up
for Sony when it comes to this?!
- if you keep saying you love sony and you love indies - guess what, we can say good ya to lots of AAA titles on Ps4
Is that what you want?
I certainly don't

[HonestDragon]

"Yoshida is trying to increase the indie value so sony doesn't have to invest as much in big games."

That's quite a bold statement to make. The only thing I read that remotely involves Yoshida talking about AAA titles is how he doesn't understand why some people only go straight for those big-budget titles and ignore all others. He isn't trying to push indie in an attempt to admit some slacking off on AAA titles. He just thinks that some people need to broaden their horizons.

From the article: "I hear complaints [about the lack of AAA games]. I do realise that some people are only interested in big-budget AAA games. I don't really understand those people. I don't know if they've tried some of the indie games and decided they're not interested. Maybe they haven't even tried. That's a key question. With Resogun, which we offered for free for a long time on PS Plus, not every PS Plus member downloaded it, and that's a great, great game. That's a key question for us."

[ziggurcat]

@ truefan:

"Clue #2 that AAA's will be far less frequent on ps4 than in the past."

when yoshida was talking about less AAA, he wasn't talking specifically about PS4, he was talking about gaming in general because the cost of producing those games has gone up.

"We’ve been saying that the number of AAAs might be getting smaller because the cost of development for AAAs is getting higher,” he said. “But there are so many indie games and great games coming out almost every week or every other week. We’re seeing it on PS4. I hope you’re seeing it as well.”

http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...

so you can stop spinning what he said, and only applying it to PS4. you're going to see less of your precious AAA games (and you still don't get what AAA means) on xbone, too.

[pyramidshead]

More truefan1 nonsense and trying to be seen as being objective.

Such ignorance makes me literally laugh. I hope you're never banned.

[core_5]

I don´t understand, how people can play indies on a PS4.

[WeAreLegion]

With a controller, usually.

[Fishermenofwar]

BAZINGA!!!

[HonestDragon]

Funny bubble for you, sir.

[GTgamer]

Well indie games are better than Kinect games soooooooo I can understand :/.

[sourav93]

So I'm assuming you won't be playing games like Outlast or No Man's Sky then?

[christian hour]

No Mans Sky :3 MY 8 year old self is literally losing the PLOT about that game. Pretty sure me and the lead dev grew up on the same books :) also I detect an irish twang in his accent, anyone know where he's from (obviously spent a logn time in england, but def has irish heritage somewhere, i never get patriotic, unless it comes to games haha)

[Testfire]

I buy consoles for GAMES. Whether Indy, low budget, medium budget or AAA, they're still games.

[kenshiro100]

That's all that needs to be said.

[Inception]

100% agree

As a gamer we shouldn't limit ourself just because indies games doesn't have big budget / hyper realistic graphic like 'AAA' games from big company. As long as the game really fun than we should play it!

[OUROSMAG]

Cause their fun?

[HighResHero]

Probably the same way I play "indies" on my PC, but usually with a controller.

[ziggurcat]

@tripe

you don't understand how people can play games on the PS4? odd...

[Rimeskeem]

You ever tried Resogun?

That game is way too addicting.

[skydragoonity]

I don't understand them too yoshida

[Goro]

Yoshida*

[chrissx]

I got my ps4 for aaa titles. This is a strange comment sir

[Eonjay]

The comment is taken out of context.

He is simply saying that he is happy that people had a positive reaction to a game that wasn't a military shooter.

"I was very happy to get a very positive reaction when we announced LittleBigPlanet 3. We are concerned a little bit when we work on a game like LittleBigPlanet 3, about how people will react, because people want those big-budget, realistic, military shooters. But there were lots of cheers, a lot of affection."

Do you really think they aren't investing in AAA content?

[christian hour]

Bubbs for actually reading the article and understanding how to put things in to context (when the media, or N4G commenters, twists them out of context)

[kenshiro100]

No common sense allowed on N4G!

But seriously, well said. People read titles instead of the freaking articles.

[christian hour]

I got mine for games. Regardless of budget or aesthetics, I enjoy good games with an interesting narrative and game mechanics that reflect that narrative. Broaden your horizons buddy, it's a beautiful world out there full of many different flavours

[levian]

Playing up indies this much seems like a ploy to get us to care less about the fact that we aren't going to be getting anywhere near as many AAA titles.

I enjoy the odd indie game here and there, but not on my PS4. I've been doing that on my PC for years, and been getting them for like 5 bucks or less. I bought my console for AAA exclusives and multiplayer with friends, not to play the same indie games I already own, for 5 times the price.

Also the fact that most indie games are VERY short. I want some big AAA games that I can keep playing for a long time. I'm talking epic 100+ hour RPGs with replayability here, fun multiplayer games like Evolve, etc.

[user5669510]

You have to also realise what ever PR Sony says is law. Like you said you played most of these indies on PC for less somehow the wasn't important or worth playing but now for obvious reasons they are worth bragging about.

I love indie games. I'm getting tire of they copy and paste over rated so called AAA games.

[levian]

I get what you're saying. Some of the better indie games have been a great breath of fresh air from the non stop flow of shooters. For me games like Terraria, Dungeon Defenders, Don't Starve, and Cube World are absolutely amazing.

But I'm also getting sick of all the indie games coming out that are all the same too - platformers platformers and more platformers. Some of them were fun like Shovel Knight, but man I'm getting sick of them now. Recently it's like we get 100 crappy indie games a month and one decent one if we're lucky.

[headwing45]

"People are jumping to conclusions. I saw some people saying that PS Now is dead on arrival."

I think Yoshida has a grudge on ReviewtechUSA lol

[LightofDarkness]

He has a point, but low-budget indie can't be the main selling point of your console, especially not one with as much grunt as the PS4, because frankly those games can be played almost anywhere. Just about every indie game on PS4 can be played on a PC/laptop, android device or even most of the other consoles. Odds are that most people already have at least one of those, so convincing them to shell out €400 for indies and a light smattering of AAA games is a tough sell. I haven't had anything of note to play on my PS4 since InFamous. That may differ for others (baseball fans likely enjoyed The Show), but I know I'm not alone in that sentiment.

[uth11]

They aren't the selling point, but they provide a great service. The PS4 is the first console I bought near launch. I really excpected to have little to play on it for months.

But thanks to some great indie titles, I've never run out of things to play. Both can and should exist, and the existence of indies isn't somehow robbing you of AAA titles.

[iceman06]

Welcome to the dog days of the first launch year. Seriously, this isn't new at all to have a gaming drought 6-7 months after a launch. Especially, when publishers notoriously save games for the rush in the Fall. I agree that indies can't be a primary focus. However, the fact that we get to have new gaming experiences, regardless of size, is a great way to weather the storm until the bigger budget games start to flow. It's either that, or be left with nothing but what you have purchased.

[MasterCornholio]

Let me put it this way.

Games are games whether Indies or AAA titles. As long as a game is good and interests me I will play it.

Thats the way I am.

[uth11]

I don't understand those people either, but with all the AAA military shooters, there's obviously a lot of them

[sungin]

lol let the damage control begins

[sarshelyam]

Personally, I think the concept of "AAA" has changed, and the industry refuses to change with it. In an industry that is defined by subjectivity, there truly is something for everyone, it baffles me that we still get so sick on rigid definitions. Meanwhile we attach "AAA" to anything that falls within a budgetary range on the development scale, while the average consumer believes "AAA" to define a great experience, from one that must certainly be mediocre.

I've played plenty of these "AAA" experiences and haven't completed them because the experience peters off in my opinion. Meanwhile I play something like Valiant Hearts from start to finish in a handful of hours, and I am entirely content with the experience.

[Funantic1]

Yoshida is preparing PS4 users for more indies and less AAA games.

[mezati99]

Huh?

[pyramidshead]

?

[Volkama]

Mid-tier games are thriving on the PC, and they will thrive on the consoles with the advent of self-publishing to the digital market place.

The $60 big budget retail game will survive, but the industry at large will move more towards the mid-tier, and it will be better for it.

[levian]

This is true. I'm as sick of the tirade of side scrolling platformer indie games as FPS games, but great games like The Forest and Rust are going to be king this generation. Once they find success on PC they'll probably be ported to consoles (not those games specifically, games like it).

[bleedsoe9mm]

i have a low cost pc that will run almost every indie game ever made i bought my ps4 for high end AAA exclusives , i have no problem with indies being on consoles as well , but thats not why i bought my console . years of worry free AAA play on console vs fast downloads and cheap indies on pc .

[Volkama]

Mid-tier games can be graphically demanding. The likes of Lichdom, Divinity Original Sin, Van Helsing, Outlast and so on push enough polygons to strain a console.

They just aren't shackled to the dude-bro 8-10 hour cinematic scripted campaign + multiplayer modes theme that is so prevailant in $60 retail games, because they don't have the same degree of risk or the same need to justify the pre-set price tag.

Sony are traditionally great for taking that risk and endorsing that off-beat AAA idea, but it is no secret that they are not in a strong position to take risks at the moment.

It is also no secret that they have some hugely talented first party studios, and personally I would love to see what they can come up with without the shackles of a $60 price tag to deliver on.

[bleedsoe9mm]

the problem of the death of the mid tier developer is a shame . the problem for sony if you don't put the game in a box they are turning their back on the people who supported the ps4 being a offline console , not sure how well a sub 60$ boxed game works with the likes of walmart .

[Moe-Gunz]

He's basically saying he doesn't understand why "gamers" don't welcome more games. Whether it's indies or AAA titles.

I don't understand these people either. I think a blend of both is needed. AAAs take time and money to develop. Indies are a great way to keep games coming while waiting for that big release.

As a filmmaker I look at this as having both independent films and Hollywood films. Both are welcoming at least to me.

[Brugal]

I definitely agree that a blend of both is needed. A great game is a great game, it doesn't matter if its AAA or an indie, doesn't matter how much money it took to develop. Towerfall, one of my favorite games, was made by one person I believe and displays graphics that was attainable 20 years ago.

I think some gamers are upset because they're dropping a considerable amount of money on these new consoles and don't want them to play indies. To each your own, we all have different tastes, that's part of the reason indies exist and why some of those games thrive.

Personally, I embrace the fact that I can play MLB The Show and Infamous on my PS4, then put on some Resogun or Towerfall. To me, those games are all great, and that's all I care about.

[mezati99]

These so called "AAA" games has been letting me down constantly from thief to watch dogs to castlevania LOS2 and murdered souls suspect...i enjoyed child of light ,shovel knight, transistor more than any AAA games this year i support what you say Yoshi, we need a good mix between indie and AAA games.this is just further proof that i made the right choice with the ps4

[PrinceOfAllSaiyans]

If Sony is going to make less Triple A and way more indies like you Xbox fanboys say, then what are they gonna do with their plethora of 1st party studios they have ? Looks like MS is the one that can use as many indies as they can get because their number of relevant 1st party studios is pathetic. Thus they have to buy up every 3rd party game. And that's not a dis at MS I loved my OG Xbox and my 360. And I love my Xbone.

[No_Limit]

WTF does this has to do with MS, xbox or its fanboys? This is an article about PS4 and you again bring out Xbox to start another fanboy war. I thought you got both a PS4 and XB1 so why are you constantly jabbing a console that you currently own and its fans. com on dude, get with the program and stop being a hater!

[Spotie]

Since it's Xbox fanboys that say Sony is focusing too much on indies and supposedly cutting down on AAA games, that makes them relevant. I mean, did you skip down to his comment and not read the ones above that reference just that?

Or how those same individuals slam indies in general- ignorantly placing them all in one genre- but then quickly praise Titanfall or Sunset Overdrive, both of which are indie.

While these things aren't mentioned directly in the article, they ARE relevant.

[hello12]

So what if they have more first party studios. They showed nothing at this E3. Until we see something from them having more studios means nothing to me or anyone who has any sense.

We know Microsoft three main first party studios are making games because we are getting fable, Gears and Halo.

Three biggest games for Sony was uncharted, bloodborne, and the order. Frankly the only new game nobody was talking about was bloodborne.

Sony E3 wasn't great. The PS4 hangs in there because of third party titles and indies.

[imt558]

Quote :

"The PS4 hangs in there because of third party titles and indies"

And Xbone does not? Why MS start their E3 show with 3RD PARTY GAME, why MS showed indies on stage? What a schmuck!

@ziggurcat

Quote :

"@ truefan:

"Clue #2 that AAA's will be far less frequent on ps4 than in the past."

when yoshida was talking about less AAA, he wasn't talking specifically about PS4, he was talking about gaming in general because the cost of producing those games has gone up.

"We’ve been saying that the number of AAAs might be getting smaller because the cost of development for AAAs is getting higher,” he said. “But there are so many indie games and great games coming out almost every week or every other week. We’re seeing it on PS4. I hope you’re seeing it as well.”

http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...

so you can stop spinning what he said, and only applying it to PS4. you're going to see less of your precious AAA games (and you still don't get what AAA means) on xbone, too."

Very true! Yoshida talked about production cost for AAA games IN GENERAL, NOT for PS4 only! But Xbone fans are unproven and they do not realize it.

[donnieboy]

lol

[theshredded]

I agree most AAA games are disappointing and lack the fun factor,Indies are the saving grace of the new consoles just look at the reviews;Watch Dogs,COD,BF,AC are hammered and owned by indie titles!

[Bonkerz]

Lets be honest here, im owning both a X1 and a PS4 but the PS4 has been a bit to into the indies. They are fun and they are nice to have but when you literally make indies feel like they are a huge priority thats a problem. We are paying 400$ for next gen systems we want to play games that feel like we are getting our moneys worth. Like i said indies and smaller games are perfectly fine but they shouldnt be hugely shown at game shows like E3, gamescom etc.

[stripe814]

yet it will be stupid that you pay $400 and waiting months just to get your hands on one AAA..i say indies could make you entertainwhile you wait, and all devs start as indie so why hate?

[stripe814]

and some people consider COD tripleA.. sigh

[mhunterjr]

It's IS AAA. That's indisputable ... As it always has a massive production and marketing budget, as well as huge sales expections...

The term has nothing to do with quality

[lemoncake]

AAA sell consoles, indies are the icing on the cake. If you focus on indie gaming then you face the real risk of having to face off with the mobile market and the growing android and future ios consoles, that's not an easy area. Anyways LBP is a game I consider AAA.

[Artista]

I would prefer playing my indies portably, like on my 3ds and vita, with the exception of games like No mans sky.. this one's a larger scale.

When I sit down to play my home console, I'm looking for deep single-player experiences , looking to get competitive.

But, it's also nice to have indie games on a home console as an option.

[jujubee88]

"AAA" is the term big game companies account firms made up in order to hide calling it a multi-million dollar game budget (and the ups and downs that come).

"Indie" is a term adopted by a community of altruistic game creators that want to push gaming forward. That really care about legacy video games leave behind.

[Blackleg-sanji]

Indies are fine with me after my disappointment of theif, watchdogs and titanfall o and killzone shadowfall. Ive enjoyed the lil titles outlast, transistor, dont starve, child of light and knack (I know I know but its fun to me and my son)

[jacksons98]

I love Little Big Planet!

[mhunterjr]

Lots of confusion over the term AAA... It really just refers to the budget...bigger budget titles typically play it safe when it comes to design because of the financial risk involved.

The term indie means independent. Indepenendent studios (self owned), can make AAA games . For example resistance, Titan fall, Ryse, sunset over drive, and crysis are AAA games made by indie studios. You can also have independent studios release their games independently... This is typically what people mean when they refer to a title as an indie game.

IMO, what's happend over the last few generations is we lost the mid tier budget studios and publishers. The midway, the THQ, etc. the reason they went belly up, IMO, is because they tried to compete with the AAA studios, by following those trends, but more often than not, their games felt like cheap knockoffs...

The indie scene, which was limited to PC back then, is now trying to fill that mod tier void on consoles. Lucky for us, instead of making lower quality versions of AAA games, they are making games that bigger studios wouldn't take risks on... Bringing us unique experiences.

[Coach_McGuirk]

glad to see someone gets it

[BillytheBarbarian]

It's the same reason Sega won't take a chance on Shenmue 3. Niche market

[Npugz7]

Because we want next gen games!!!!! Not crap we could have played on our super nintendo!!!

[goldwyncq]

Wait, LBP is not AAA? Not all AAA games are militaristic COD-esque shooters just like not all indie games are Minecraft knockoffs.

[Master-Chief]

You don't understand because you only play games for your job and not as a hobby, and you don't have to waste your own money on the games you do play because Sony provides them to you so you can learn the names of characters and places in the game.

Most executives are like this. Just look at Reggie, and most of Microsoft's employees, they're completely clueless about games.

[S2Killinit]

seriously, some people act like having indies somehow takes away from the existence of AAA. But I guess I kind of know who they are.

[RichardDawkins]

As someone who doesn't support digital games(AAA or indie), games made from EA or Ubisoft my game library might become limited and filled with the "AAA" games. Then when I, or someone who might have the same opinions will feel there aren't enough games or "no games", when in fact there are plenty.

If Sony or Microsoft found a way to get indie games on a physical disk i think more people would buy them. To me.. digital is intangible.. I like to see and touch what i own.

Not sure if this article is referring to AAA exclusives or AAA in general.. but there are PLENTY of AAA budget games to play in the gaming industry. Look at this fall for example.

[S2Killinit]

having indies is suddenly a problem because one of the consoles isn't getting them, thats why.

[hello12]

Indies can be good, but i didn't buy the xb1 for indies. PC has plenty of them if i want to play them.

I want AAA games and always will prefer them.

Yoshida is trying to convince people indies is new great thing sorry he's just making an excuse for why the PS4 will lack first party games now and in the future. All PR crap.

[S2Killinit]

well, if history is anything to go by, Playstation is where the AAA is at. Just because they are getting more indies than xbone doesn't mean AAA is somehow diminished. Fact is, PS4 has more games period. and the longer the generation goes on, the bigger the gap will be.
PS: he is not trying to convince anyone, he is saying indies are also needed. Its not like xbone has more AAA than PS4, or they have more incoming AAA is it? well then.
PSS: read the article before commenting

[Majin-vegeta]

http://youtu.be/_n5E7feJHw0

Someone needs to brush up on their comprehension skills.

He is simply saying that he is happy that people had a positive reaction to a game that wasn't a military shooter.

"I was very happy to get a very positive reaction when we announced LittleBigPlanet 3. We are concerned a little bit when we work on a game like LittleBigPlanet 3, about how people will react, because people want those big-budget, realistic, military shooters. But there were lots of cheers, a lot of affection."

Do you really think they aren't investing in AAA content?

[Travesty]

Not everyone wants a sci-fi or military shooter.. I love games like them but I like to have a quantity of other games. Like not everyone likes this zombie fad. I played Resident Evil games with my friends growing up and its nice I liked it. But I mean its not what everybody wants.. I really miss the 2 player co-op games that took two people to play, even if it was a 2 player shooter. Most games are single player campaigns with online multiplayer and when you have friends over you have to kind of share the remote.. I liked Warhawk on PS3 that it was multiplayer friendly.. And games like Jade Empire on the original Xbox was fun. I like more RPGs and more 2 player co-op games and the fighter games .. Just saying..

[WikusVanDeMerwe]

In my eyes AAA means exceptional quality and effort put into the process of making the game and cutting as little corners as possible, keeping it more art than business.

Example would be COD is business and TLOU is art.

[mrmack00]

I'm 0% concerned over Sony's direction. They will have awesome AAA games(however you want to define that), as they've done in the past with the PS,PS2, and PS3, and the cherry on top is that they'll also be the home of awesome indies as well.

I think it's too early to complain about lack of AAA titles, considering it's still early in the generation and this happens every generation. E3 has shown me what's coming and I'm ready for those AAA titles! In the meantime, I'll enjoy what I have. To each their own.

[xxx_Solid_Snake_xxx]

lol ..... thats mean more indie game for PS4

[TrailerParkBoys]

We've had enough LBP, was disappointed that Media Molecule went that route with a new console in their hands. Expected something new and groundbreaking, this is certainly not.

[Majin-vegeta]

*Facepalm*
http://n4g.com/news/1526871...

[t-hall785]

We just don't want a bunch of indies. A nice combination of both is fine and both consoles seem to be doing well as of right now as far as that is concerned.

[D3ATH_DRIV3R_777]

I like my AAA games, but i also love my indie games. However, some are just too weird for me, but there are some that does catches my eyes that interests me.
Still playing warframe because of the replay value, which most AAA games fail in!
sux that these big name titles that be in development for years,
and once they're out, you beat it, and there's nothing left to do in them.
I'm all in for my blockbuster titles, but a game that has little or no replay value,
then they're disappointment to me. IMO

[N0gg1nsh0tz]

During the Sony Conference at E3- i watched the live stream)-my nipples went hard when LittleBigPlanet 3 was announced/shown.
Absolutely can't wait for it, but i'll have too :)

[mediate-this]

@nog

You should get that checked out lol

[incredibleMULK]

@ article. I bought a ps4 not a ouya. Give meAAA games ya little prick..

I downloaded resogun. Played it less than 10 times. Was it good....yes. is it worth my 2-4 vacant hours a day?.....NO!

I work and take care of my 4 kids I want to play console/PC games... not mobile games.......what's not to understand Sushi Yoshida?

You're right about those Indies....I delete most of them within 15 minutes.

I got money to spend if something worthwhile is put in front of me. $50 a year for 12-24 low budget games I'll play 5% of the time doesn't make me happy about my $400 investment. Get your act together Sushi or you'll lose this generation too. 6 of my friends already replaced their ps4s with xbone I suspect they won't be the only ones.

[jakmckratos]

not ONLY but certainly way more than is being offered

[mediate-this]

A good game is a good game, wether triple a or indie, or middle ware, different strokes for different folks, thats what makes our world go round. People speak with theor wallets, people can play what they want.

Nothing to understand in my op

[modesign]

lol was he baffled when everyone was upset at the cancellation of eight days, the getaway so they could make eyepet.

[cyclindk]

I don't necessarily need AAA length or visuals, i.e. photo realism, but I ALWAYS want quality in what IS presented. Even in mini games. Just don't won't broken, glitchy garbage, with horrible visual (when style could easily make up for it) et cetera. No excuse for pushing sub par product into the market.

[Corpser]

Because people didn't buy a ps4 for games that look like they could be on ps3

[MrZweistein]

What??????

If I purchase a console for 399 euros I want games that are developed especially for that console and uses all the capabilities of it.

Maybe you understand now, Yoshida-son....

[zugdar]

A number of developers have expressed frustration with the $60 flat pricing system. With COD and other games offering many options while a more simple game goes for the same price is a severe break in perceptive value. That why most non AAA games go to only the niche audience.

I'd much rather pay for a 40-50 dollar game without a forced mode than 60 for a bunch of crap that I wont use. Example would be Bioshock 2 which had a multiplayer mode. It was short lived and many people would have done without it. All it did was pull time from the developers so the game could tick another box on the features tab and justify the $60 price tag.

[Goku781]

Time is money, and after a hard days work, I would rather play a quality game like Destiny or DC Universe versus Candy Crush or angry birds. My opinion.

[souga_houjou_jin]

dont care all i know is that LBP 3 is gonna be just epic

[abstractel]

I'm pretty much one of those people who only want AAA but I also think indie games will get better and better as tools continue to evolve and become easier to use. There are indie games coming out in the near future that are borderline indie.

Also, I am not sure where we place games like Project CARS and Star Citizen?

[Mr Marvel]

I like some smaller indy games, but they're just fillers between the bigger AAA titles for me.

I can't say I've ever been excited about an upcoming indy game either, I only play them while I wait for the next AAA game.

[RuleNumber5]

And I don't understand why some people like sushi. Who cares? To each their own.

[Exojet]

Imagine that the PS4 is a Ferrari, Now with that Ferrari you dont want to just drive it round the block, you want to race it hard on the long open roads! People are NOT getting their monies worth they feel, sure some people like the free, addictive simple cheap little games, and thats the round the block games like the division and the order 1986 are the long wide open roads people bought the ps4 to use with it!

[McScroggz]

In a perfect world gamers would accept both AAA games and indie/smaller games, and that every type of game that is good could be profitable. Right now it seems like the AAA market is constricting a little bit, but indie and smaller games are seemingly becoming more profitable than they ever have.

Personally, I love that I can play inFamous: Second Son one month, Watch_Dogs the next, and then play a few smaller titles like Transistor, Child of Light and Valiant Hearts the next month until the next big AAA game drops.

[TongkatAli]

Entitled gamers will never be happy anyway even when they get what they want, cynical assholes who take the joy away from any hobby.

[KinjoTakemura]

@Yoshida: "I don't understand people who only want AAA"

I understand them. Most of the people who keep talking about AAA games as if they are all the best games ever made are narrow-minded nitwits who can't see past their own a**hole. So what AAA games have been released to date that are any good?

Infamous Second Son, Forza 5? All the rest are lame multiplayer shooters or games that have been slowly fading into obscurity since their release. Big budget doesn't mean great games to play.

[FayZ_]

he can't understand why people want good games? explains why ps4 doesn't have any..

[Skankinruby]

'Yawn' just go back to playing Ryse little boy

[hkgamer]

its a little stupid for someone so high up to not know this. pbviously he had another way of saying this, trying to make others eant to try indies but i guess he obviously knows.

its like someone wondering why people only watch blockbuster movies. some people dont like watching lower budget films. cant change their mind over it and they will probably never change. are they stupid for that? no they just dont prefer or like it.

[Skankinruby]

If all they offered were indies that would be something to whine about. But indies are a perfect time filler between big titles. A lot of drones on here are implying that next gen means sequels or spinoffs to tired franchises with upscaled graphics. If diversity and quality of games don't expand then there is no point in another console. All the silly xbots on here are no doubt the same ones that line up for the next call of duty no matter how bad they know its gonna be

[sadfeet]

Sony, i'm very close to be saying screw you because you're starting to piss me off.

Indies are filler games, not something to purely game on.

What happened to the old Sony (with out their arrogance) that wanted the high quality big budget graphics to prove their hardware is better.

[_LarZen_]

What a load of crap...

Some of the best games I have played have been Indie games. Either it's on my $399 PS4 or my $3200 gaming PC.

Complaining about variety as some "gamer's" do is about the dumbest thing I read.

[sadfeet]

You're a load of crap. I bought my console for quality games. If I wanted to purely game on indies I would have gotten the Ouya. I dont know about you but I was spoiled since Nintendo, Dreamcast, N64, SNES, ps1, ps2, and ps3. This gen is nowhere near the golden age of gaming.

I happen to like what indies stand for. They will eventually become bigger budgeted developers, but until then they're not on top of my looking forward to list.

[Demoa]

well i don't want indie games

[TimeSkipLuffy]

Maybe he don't understand that gamers want games. Some want these, the others want those, etc. Some people are buying a $400 console just for the big AAA exclusive titles.

Maybe he should step down and let someone who loves games step up. Maybe that person will deliver AAA games + indies + all other games.

I don't understand a company who rather invest money in technology and services then in games or game studios to support their powerful gaming console.

[SH1ELD]

It's a business question so it doesn't bother me even if i see him talk wisely.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Whats not to understand Yoshida? For years larger publishers like Sony, MS, Activision, Ubisoft, etc... have trained us to look at AAA games as being the premium experience, and that indie games are fluff and filler content while we wait for the AAA games to hit.

Sony cements this notion (as do all the other big players) by continually putting high $60 price tags to the AAA game and justify its price with a quality of content argument. Indirectly telling gamers for years that anything less than a $60 game is probably not a AAA experience. And it even goes a step further when you see All the press conferences this year opening and closing with AAA games. That "oh and one more thing" game announcement has never been an indie game, its always AAA.

I mean, call me nutty, but you Mr. Yoshida laid all the ground work for this. How can you be surprised many gamers out there are just wanting AAA announcements when you have forced that notion down our throats for years?

[horndog]

You are correct yushida. No need for aaa on ps4. Just keep the indies running in 1080p. It's all your fan base wants and it's all you can give them anyways. No AAA.

[Dirkster_Dude]

AAA titles typically have more complexity and fewer bugs. There are exceptions, but I have never been able to get very many hours out of an Indie title. This means more value for my $60 (USD) per AAA game and that is why I have a preference for them.

[Revengeance]

I don't understand it either. Only ignorant people wouldn't try out indies. And it seems from the comments above me, it's clearly the Xbox fanboys that fall into this category.

I bought the PS4 for great experiences, whether it's indie or AAA. Transistor was an indie that outclassed most games on Xbone IMO. These are one of the games that make me glad I own a PS4. And while the fanboys make fun of me because I enjoy indies I'll be playing better games, even if they are indie.

[Djinn]

HEY!! YOSHIDA! I'm not throwing down 400 dollars to play a bunch of fucking indies. You better goddamn ask somebody!!

[_LarZen_]

"Stand's up and claps excitedly"

I agree 110% Yoshida.

[e-p-ayeaH]

PS4 needs B-games not just big budget games and indies we need those games that stand in the midle like Bound by Flame.

[LamerTamer]

Why I don't care for indies on PS4?

1) download only, DRM. You don't truly own these games, just a license to use. You can't back them up for use later if they are pulled from the servers like you can with Android etc.

2) The graphics level is usually a generation or more behind. Why buy a "next gen" console to get last gen graphics? PS2 and SNES were great but not on my PS4. I have an Nvidia Shield filled with emulators of all of these old systems from SNES, Genesis, PS1, and Dreamcast, not to mention some mobile and indie titles, that are good enough for my indie/retro fix.

3) These are mostly short and don't have much to them. Mobile level games don't work well on non mobile device.

4) Many of them are crap. There are a few good ones in there but you need to wade through a sea of garbage to pluck out the gems, that is a time intensive task.

5) I can get these elsewhere cheaper on other devices (like Shield I mentioned, or PC).

I know there are exceptions to some of these (except download DRM) but in general I avoid them.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

I agree.

I see a lot of PS4 titles selling for ten dollars or more that are literally one or two dollar Android titles.

I also think the whole retro thing is getting way out of hand. You are getting a cheap and poorly produced game that demands an unusual pricepoint.

It seems like over half the titles on PS4 right now could literally be done on PS2. The PS Blog everyday has a couple titles announced as ports that nobody buys, yet they consider this part of a growing "PS4 Library of Games".

PS4 only stuff this Fall? Driveclub. That is literally it.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

"I also don't understand people who want to play their music or media on PS4... what is this, 1995?"

[Underworld]

I always thought LBP was AAA. I wish it had one clear meaning instead of everyone defining it a different way.

[BobBelcher]

These are just a few AAA titles and he's confused as to why people would only want AAA titles?

GTA V
Battlefield
Star Wars: Battlefront
Infamous: Second Son
Ryse
Gears of War
God of War
Elder Scrolls
Fallout
Assassin's Creed
Witcher
Dragon Age
Smash Bros
Mario Kart
Zelda
Uncharted
Far Cry
Dead Space
Bioshock: Infinite

[tommygunzII]

Because people anymore are insecure idiots, Yoshi. The biggest train wrecks I know wouldn't touch a game like LBP because it isn't tough or manly enough, and those same people are afraid of their own shadow. What can you do?

[strickers]

I appear to have arrived in the " lack of education " thread.
How can so many gamers not know jat 1st, 2nd or 3rd party and indie, mean?
How can so many gamers have no concept of AAA referring to development budget?
What a load of waffle. Ignorance.
Why not just try and enjoy games, and broaden your horizons?
Talking utter shit acheieves nothing.

[gamer7804]

AAA Games refer to the quality of the title, similar to Baseball leagues. But this usually also has to do with the budget for the game and the size of the development team and publisher.

Personally, i'm glad that there are indie games, but don't usually buy them myself. I focus my money on a select 1-2 indie games a year, then wait for the rest to become free on psplus or games for gold. This way i can focus my attention and money on the bigger titles i'm looking forward to. Halo, Uncharted, Diablo3, Forza, Quantic Dream games, Remedy games, Disney Inifnity, etc.

[blackout]

Looks like Sony's money is about to really show this gen with a comment like this. Or there is going to be a shit load of indie trash on the psn. Sony really does seem to be making a major push for the indies. It's much cheaper, speaks to there cash flow witch is NONE. I think Sony's executive just spoke LOUD and CLEAR. Enjoy those indies ps4 fans. This is part of the restructuring Sony is doing.

[heisenberguk]

Oh Sony don't start being daft now ffs!! I didn't buy a PS4 to only play games I can play on my phone!!!

[IcicleTrepan]

Yoshida is making a big mistake here. There are a LOT of people that love video games, but do not have the time to learn about all of the smaller games that are out nor do they even have the time to play them.

I've been through this situation before. I'd love to play all sorts of games but sometimes life gets in the way and so you go with what you know will give you your video game fix without having to work too hard, so you buy the top games that you know you will enjoy. Franchises you generally know you can count on. Because you don't have time or money sometimes to be playing every game that comes along.

If this is his stance and he's steering PS4 towards not having any big standout games in the future, it's a bad idea because you will get people that are in this stage in their life and they will be saying 'PS4 has no games' which is not true but what they mean is that it has no games that they recognize as games they know they can rely on for their gaming fix without having to watch hours of youtube, reviews, gaming sites etc to see what is out there.

[feraldrgn]

Journey was fantastic, Flower was fantastic, Crash Bandicoot was fantastic, etc etc etc.

[Artemidorus]

I like the biggest and the best. I don't like handhelds or indie games. Yoshida keep crying.