I Want Destiny To Fail

An opinion piece via EGMR in which the author explains why Destiny needs to fail for the good of the industry.

Quote: "Should Destiny succeed at the seemingly insurmountable task set before it, it would only serve as active encouragement to other publishers and developers, forcing high-budget projects of this kind with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of investment — and for what; another persistent open world with guns and customisation that isn’t called Borderlands The MMO? — and a sales requirement that requires not just insane amounts of marketing (something that required an entire column of its own) but also copious amounts of post-release support and downloadable content and absolutely anything else that can suck more money from gamers to justify the ridiculously high cost of production."

[MelvinTheGreat]

Please tell me more, because you clearly know what is good and bad for the the industry
/s

[Drekken]

I want a video of this guy crying the week of release. Destiny has no chance of failing.

[T2]

well based on the budget they spent there are scenarios where it may not have been worth the huge investment, but the game will sell a ton of copies for sure....
Also this author's article is crap, he is basically saying AAA is no good for the industry. Oh and by the way, borderlands has a great template but has tons of room for improvement which destiny could easily offer. day one for me even if it is just as good as borderlands.

[johndoe11211]

I for one do not want destiny to fail. I played the alpha and absolutely loved it. That is definitely my most anticipated game of the year. However, it would be totally absurd to ignore or downplay the reasoning behind the author's desire and quite frankly, I don't blame him.

Mind you, I don't agree with him wanting it to fail because I think that to be a little extreme but at the same time I can understand where he is coming from. If more companies go this route of spending insane amounts of cash to make a video game, we can have a serious problem in the future.

Atari spent $125 million to produce the E.T video game (an astronomical amount at the time) and that was the catalyst for the great video game crash of the 1980's. That game is considered to be the biggest failure in gaming history. Atari almost went under because of it and it almost killed the video game industry.

I want AAA games, we need AAA games but at the same time developers need to be smart when developing these games. No Man's Sky is an indie game developed by four guys in a studio, what do you think their budget is like? And yet look at the quality and scope of that game. A game does not need to cost $500 million dollars to be good.

The more money devs spend is the more we will get stuff like DLC, microtransactions, subscription services even after paying for the game (FFIV) and the longer it will take for digital prices to drop. Having such high costs to produce games is actually hurting us as gamers.

I love destiny, I want it to succeed, but I also hope that this does not become a trend in the gaming industry. This needs to stop, fast.

[KingDustero]

Activision isn't spending $500 million on just the one game. That is their current budget for the franchise for the next TEN years. Which actually seems a little low considering that is to fund three games and multiple DLCs. I do hope though that they focus on expansions like an mmo instead of whole new games.

In all honesty the majority of the hate towards Destiny comes from people who haven't played it yet. It is an AMAZING game. I sat there and played the alpha constantly everyday after work. Destiny is a game that could change the industry for the better and it needs to succeed. Have already convinced multiple people to pre-order it and will continue to do so. Imo anyone who is a shooter fan needs to buy this game. Bungie has the ground work laid for a franchise that can easily be bigger than Halo.

[Mega24]

What people are failing to notice, activision is no investing $500 million dollars on just one game, its on the franchise.

Loved the alpha, cant wait for july, the neta will be even better.

[Dirtnapstor]

@King
Yup, as you said, over the next 10 years. That's been stated multiple times, not sure why or how people are confusing this with the first installment alone.

[lunatic0001]

@ mega24...you're right but I think its the media that's at fault for many people thinking that the 500 million dollar budget is for one single game when in fact it involves all its expansion packs and multiple titles

[trywizardo]

it is coming to 360 and X1 , PC player would be closer than xbox player ... you're an idiot dude

[OrangePowerz]

I can only say one thing to the autor. If he wants Destiny to fail (probably a lot if jobs depend on it not failing) he should never ever complain in the future when all he sees is sequels. Because if Destiny fails it will be a big signal for companies to not do anything new, it would be a big blow to the industry and not just Activision and Bungie.

[Magicite]

I think Bungie are creative and they deserve success.
Besides Activision wouldn't bet on a bad horse.

[3-4-5]

$500 Million is far too much money to invest in a game though.

That point is probably correct, even though he does seem bitter.

* For $500 Million we could get 10+ good games.

Would you rather have 5-10 games from Bungie, or JUST THIS ONE....Destiny ?

I'd go with more games, even though Destiny looks good.

[OrangePowerz]

The 500 million are not only for one game and include everything including marketing and advertisement. Also it's Activisions money and they can do with their money what they want. The only important thing is that the game is good in the end and from what I played in the alpha it could be an awesome game. Doesn't matter to me if a game costs 5 million or 500 million.

[Steppenwolfmother]

If you read in other comments or articles about destiny, the 500mill is not for one game, its the initial investment for the entire franchise. They are talkiing a 10 year investment. So either expansions or sequals. They are playing a long game here.

[lunatic0001]

The 500 million budget is not for the first destiny but for the entire franchise which includes multiple sequels and expansion packs for the next ten years...500 million for 10 years...I think its the media that's at fault for saying that the 500 million is the budget for destiny rather than saying that its for the whole entire series

[nosferatuzodd]

to all the people who said hes not a xbox fanboy fanboy can hide their fanboyness and still make up a crappy story to justify why the game should fail nothing this man said makes any sense whats to ever

to guy under me not some ppl are cry babies xbox fans are the cry baby here. insomniacs making a game thats exclusive to Xbox 1 i don't see any ps fan acting like how these halo bungie loving fans acting pathetic just pathetic

[liquidhalos]

I hope it doesn't fail, I really like bungie, they have a distinct style with their games and I really like it. It's bungies first new game since halo, that in itself in awesome, plus let's not forget that it's a multi platform which means most of us get the chance to play it which too is awesome. The article is only an opinion piece, I'll respect the authors opinion while humbly disagreeing.

[MetaReapre]

I can understand his concern. It is a huge amount of money going into this game. And if they need to sell 18 mill copies to just even out, that's too much to become the norm of Aaa games. It is one of the most anticipated game of this year, this game has little chance to really fail so this budget becoming the norm may be inevitable.

[CreamSalamy]

Hes main concern was 500 Million dollar investment and 18 million sales of the game to provide for even income. Problem is not 18 million on sales and I strongly believe 5 million xbone, 7 to 8 million ps4 sooner or later will be connected to it during its live spam and that's a very conservative number. What he fails to see is the constant draining of downloads and micro transaction will be heavily administer and will be a cash cow, not only will they meet 500 million but I see them gaining pass over a billion. I don't want them to fail, but they truly are on par with the hallo franchise in different suits lol.

[wsoutlaw87]

Ya this idea that destiny selling well, would cause other publishers and developers to spend this type of cash, is just stupid. They have always had the chance to make huge games but the risk just doesnt add up and it still wont. I hope destiny is great because it looks great and I dont want to see some huge triple A games out there. Theres a place for games of all budgets. Having this game succeed or fail only effects the future of bungie and activision. And please, stop comparing it to borderlands just because there was a map in the desert and they have guns. Borderlands didnt invent deserts.

[showtimefolks]

seriously Author are you really that hurt over exclusive content? seriously some of you xbox fanboys are coming off as nothing but sour losers

get over it, Destiny is gonna be awesome. Its funny that Bungie helped make xbox brand and now that they are making a game for other systems, all of the sudden they suck

please use some butthurt cream at nights to make you sleep better

[ITPython]

Yet another butthurt XB1 fanboy because his god/idol/lover/role model (aka Bungie) is now making games on the PlayStation platform.

With all the stink these people are making, somebody could easily assume that Destiny was a PS exclusive. So... keep it up! More sales for the PS4 version.

Oh and this guy has the gall to talk about insane amounts of marketing? He must have been coincidentally absent around the Titanfall launch, when even a 90 year old grandma living in the middle of the Amazon jungle with no internet, TV, or newspapers (who was also deaf and blind), could give a shockingly detailed description of TF.

[MoveTheGlow]

This is actually a very new funding model that Activision trusted Bungie with. Technically, sure, the budget was a half-billion dollars. But it's half a billion dedicated to the creation of a new engine, new systems, and a framework for a persistent, extensible world and franchise. Future "sequels" will be cheaper and heavily iterative if this succeeds, like giant expansion packs with a few new graphical polishes. It's the newest attempt at an MMO to topple WOW in market share by targeting a completely different market while using a completely different strategy. Why wouldn't you want this to do well? Hey, you just might like it in five years.

Say what you will about Bobby Kotick making Activision look bad for years, and the ridiculousness from Infinity Ward's battle over MW2 funding and royalties, but at least, unlike Ubisoft, they keep their development studios branded as such. This isn't an Activision game, it's a Bungie game. What's an Assassin's Creed game? The product of a ton of studios under the Ubi blanket in various parts of the world, and they play like they're designed by committee. Bungie is still Bungie. At least there's that.

[XxExacutionerxX]

I see nothing wrong with Destiny is doing for the industry. I'm not a fan of the game or will buy the game. I would rather see a new IP like this then to see a COD MMO. I don't want this to fail. People need to understand that big projects like this, open up doors for other games, even indie games. The only thing I dont want is for this game to lose people to COD.

[BABYLEG]

I wanted destiny when it was revealed, but it doesn't interest me in the slightest anymore. I liked the idea of it, but the game play looks tedious, not fun

[g5bay]

me2 i want it to fail

[threefootwang]

"There is no need for these extravagant games with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of development and marketing."

This guy claims gamers don't need games with alot of funding because according to him, that's a bad thing.

LMAO. Like seriously wow, just wow.

[HonestDragon]

Clearly the author believes they know what's right for the industry, but their belief is downright absurd. Even the jumps of conclusions are completely asinine.

"Here we have a relatively unknown game..."

Problem number one: Destiny is not "relatively unknown". This game has been getting media attention for a long time now.

"Should Destiny succeed at the seemingly insurmountable task set before it, it would only serve as active encouragement to other publishers and developers, forcing high-budget projects of this kind with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of investment..."

Problem number two: This type of thinking is wrong and we (including developers and publishers) damn well know it. Someone in the industry once said (and I believe it was Cliffy B) that only successful games will have high budgets in the hundreds of millions. But that type of impression on a video game's success is asinine. I highly doubt developers and publishers will follow suit. Spending more doesn't mean instant success.

Is Activision taking a chance with the amount they are spending on Destiny? Most certainly, but that is their decision. Activision is spending this money because they want to market this game out.

"If Destiny fails then perhaps it will teach publishers and developers alike a lesson in over-indulgence."

"So yes. Here’s me hoping that Destiny fails so that gamers can win. Here’s me wishing Bungie all the best with dealing with Activision post-release, while I opt out of supporting this batshit crazy $500 million exercise in excess."

Essentially, the author is admitting to opt out of supporting Destiny because Activision has spent five hundred million dollars on it. "Oh! A company is investing heavily in their product? Well, guess I won't bother with that then!" What the hell kind of mentality is that? The author is letting the spending cost of a game determine whether or not it will be a future purchase.

And then they wish for Destiny to fail because of some scheme-riddled thought of monkey see, monkey do with the rest of the industry? Are you kidding me? To wish that a project fails is to wish that everyone involved will most likely have their jobs on the line. You aren't thinking about gamers winning from the loss of a game from a talented studio. You are supporting the idea that just because a company invests into its products that they should fail through a conspiracy themed idea that they will try to milk their consumers dry of money and encourage other companies to do so. We know there will most likely be DLC, season passes, and expansions (it's Activision after all), but those are optional.

I have criticized Activision on their policies and actions before, but I don't wish for them to fail. I want companies to do better and make great products. If they are willing to spend money on it, then that is their prerogative. The author letting that spending cost deter them from Destiny is stupid, especially considering that they were interested before.

[kenshiro100]

Wishing a game to fail is stupid, period.

[Activemessiah]

Sounds very... bitter.

[DarkLord1003]

Some people really have problems...

[ColinZeal]

Some gamers are f*cking crybabies. It's almost embarrassing to call myself a gamer when I see this kind of articles. You don't like a game? Don't buy it. Sheeez.

[mydyingparadiselost]

I agree, the course AAA gaming is taking is a mediocre one at best.

[Phene]

Say whaaaat ..this jokers' cray

[GamingSinceThe80s]

I would like to think that just because this game succeeds,games are smart enough not to fall for all the cheap imitations that could follow.But this story just seem's like click bait ether way.

[ginsunuva]

Remember last gen with CoD4's success and every game following?

[GamingSinceThe80s]

Your right I may have been giving the average person/gamer to much credit.lol

[wsoutlaw87]

Thats because thats what publishers thought gamers wanted. They were trying to copy cods formula not its budget like this guy is saying about destiny.

[Sideras]

Afaik the 500 millions are for the 10 year deal, and not just for this one game, but correct me if I'm wrong.

[Golden_Mud]

The game is supposed to live a 10 years course.

[porkChop]

No it isn't. The Bungie contract was revealed in the Infinity Ward lawsuit. The 10 year publishing agreement covers an entire franchise. Destiny this year, an expansion next year, Destiny 2 the year after that, then an expansion, then Destiny 3, etc.

[Golden_Mud]

porkChop@ well looks like I miss understood the argument.

[Dolf045]

So we should hope that companies stop investing huge amounts of money on trying something new for the genre and just continue to churn out the same tired old shit year after year?

If it succeeds it will be because people loved it. There will always be niche markets if this isn't your kind of thing. If anything this culture of hoping the other guy fails, freaking out over racism/sexism that isn't there or the massive sense of entitlement is whats going to mess up the industry.

[uth11]

We should be glad that companies are willing to invest such huge amounts. It's a sign the industry is healthy.

[ginsunuva]

Destiny is the farthest from "new for the genre" as it can get.

[Dolf045]

I've been gaming for 20 years man and the alpha felt fresh like no other shooter has for a long time. That's just personal preference and taste I suppose but if you've yet to play I would say don't make a decision yet!

On a micro level it's nothing that hasn't been done before but the way they bring those elements together gives something that feels new on the whole

[devileyed]

See I felt the opposite of fresh. The enemy types,their movement,tactics,classes and even the way they enter the map is all reskinned halo to me. Then everything else as far as art style and world space screams borderlands. I'm in my thirties and have been gaming since "texas instruments" and i was almost offended at what they have made here. I'm glad others are enjoying it and I hope it does well but i couldn't get over the copy and paste feeling i was getting while playing it.

[Volkama]

$500,000 dollar game failing could have pretty damaging ramifications.

$anyvalue Activision game succeeding could have pretty damaging ramifications.

I hope destiny is a smash hit, and a game I really enjoy. I hope that if/when Activision try to squeeze us unfairly for micro-transactions and such that side of it blows up in their face. And I hope Microsoft and Sony come to a mutual understanding that money-hatting exclusive content is only benefitting Activision, and not themselves or their customers. And also world peace and stuff.

[Heisenburger]

Missing some zeros bro.

[Volkama]

This is true. I also said $xxx dollar, and I don't appreciate such redundancy.

I will surely flog myself vigorously, but hopefully you knew what I meant :)

[Heisenburger]

I'm not sure if using an incorrect number, then using "x number" qualifies as avoiding redundancy.

All you did was type the wrong number of zeros. Just own it bro!

Bro!

;)

[Volkama]

$5 dollars. 5 Dollars dollars. Petty I know, but I am still disappointed in myself :-)

[Darkfist]

xbot?

[PR_FROM_OHIO]

Most likely which is sad! My brother who's a die hard Halo and Xbox fan says this game looks and will be terrible yet he's never even tried it out!! SMH

[gamerfan0909]

Did you read the article?

[MetaReapre]

I don't think he's an Xbot, more so a guy over-evaluating the situation. Saying that if this game becomes a big hit 500 mill budgets for Aaa games may become the norm. It will be bad for the industry if this does become the norm, but no one knows the exact repercussions that would come out of that.

[Slevon]

The games going to do amazing and i'm sure this article will even convince people to buy it to spite the writer. Its going to sell/play/be great no matter what you want #Dealwithit

[LazyGoron]

Dumb article written by dumb writer is dumb.

Not saying that I love all games or genres of games (JRPG, cough cough) but failure of big AAA games, honestly, is bad for the industry as a whole. Why would anyone want games to fail? Success drives competition drives innovation which creates new experiences for the user :)

[lifesanrpg]

Ah yes, let the game fail. Let hundreds of game designers lose their jobs as a result. That would be GREAT for a video game industry that already sees tons of layoffs. What a moron.

[shallowpoint]

Took the words right from my mouth!

[mrpsychoticstalker]

It will not fail. But it won't be as big as halo.

[My_Name_BTW_Is_Dante]

It's already bigger than Halo.

Each planet is bigger than Halo: Reach.

[ginsunuva]

He meant big as in popularity.

Why would we be talking about game world size?

[guyman]

It will be bigger than Halo

[DashArrivals]

I won't bother reading this crap. But one thing I'll say is that this game only costs $60 and that's it. It costs just as much as other AAA games. After that, players choose to pay more for whatever else. It's up to them and they all know what they're getting into.

[Baszs]

Indeed what a moron!
He should be banished from the gaming community..

I want him to fail..

[SynestheticRoar]

So you want destiny to fail. You and every other jaded diehard Halo fan, who wanted Bungie to still be working on Halo.

[pompombrum]

Yes yes, lets see a game that tries to actually innovate the genre and take a gamble fail while EA flourish from recycling the same crap constantly each year. We need more games like Destiny where they take the time to truly make something special as opposed to the yearly sequels that is becoming more and more standard.

[UKzZBULLET]

What...did I just.....Read...

[n4rc]

Its bad if it fails.. In every way

Publishers making big investments on a new aaa IP will only happen if they pay off.. Unless you want to see nothing but cheap remakes or mobile games on your console, then you should hope it does well..

[Haki1112]

wtf why would anyone want something like this to fail? people will lose their jobs and then we will be stuck with games like CoD..

[zpoc]

yeah, this multimillion dollar activision franchise will save us all from that other multimillion dollar activision franchise...

[Haki1112]

Never said it will save us from anything but having variety in the gaming world is never a bad thing.

[Baka-akaB]

SO you want the game to fail , to prevent some trend of pumping out 500 millions games and damages within the industry ?

As if it failing wouldnt be damageing enough , and wouldnt force everyone to avoid gambling on anything remotely new , and just milking further stuff like cod

[KuroKazuma]

attentionwhore

[ArtificiallyYours]

I want this site to crash and burn lol...

[sadfeet]

The feels

[kingmushroom]

Another fanboy but hurt cause destiny is on Ps4. And thinks it will hurt the industry. F...off.

[SITH]

Nobody is butt hurt. Destiny is a multiplatform game.

[OUROSMAG]

There is actually quite a bit of an uproar, because the alpha hit PS4 first.

[kingmushroom]

Xbox fanboys are and need to chill.

[CawMasterX]

What a troll with this article. I hate certain devs and pubs but I would never wish such a thing. So many ppl would lose their jobs.

[Kane22]

apparently people responding to me. don't seem to care. their coming up with stupid ass excuses.

[CawMasterX]

Yeah I can see that. Regardless of how much I feel about a particular game, company or dev team, I'd never wish such a thing. The shape this industry is in and the content, we could use more innovation and less recycling of old games like the influx of HD Remakes or Collections. I don't mind a few but something tells me we're about to see this as a means of common practice.

[ThatEnglishDude]

I want every game to succeed, regardless of genre or background. It's how this industry will thrive.

[Dark_king]

i disagree with you (just not with the button) there are games that should not thrive.There are games out there that do need to fail and fail hard.Just think if a certain recent alien game would of succeeded.It would have said gamers don't care about quality are when there lied to.So those things are ok to do to them.

Now this is not the case with Destiny its not saying its one thing while its another.Its not a game that needs to fail for any real reason.They already do spend tons on ads and put out tons of DLC while many DLC are crap that should be free(On Disc DLC). There are tons of great DLC that are fine. LBP probably has the largest amount of DLC but not once have I felt it should all be free.

[mydyingparadiselost]

That recent alien game you mentioned did succeed, a profit was made of that piece of trash, which to me is maybe the most telling thing about the industry today.
http://pixelenemy.com/alien...
Not only that but it was the second best selling Sega game for the time of this fiscal report.
This is the big problem with gaming now, you can hype up a game even if it sucks, doesn't work properly or fails to deliver on its promises, gameplay or otherwise, and still come out on top.

[46889337]

This guy failed to mention the $500 million accounts for the 10 years of support including sequels and other marketing material. Not just for the development of this game. But I understand journalists can't spout sensationalist garbage without misrepresenting facts so it's not surprising.

Wanting a game to fail over baseless assumptions. It is truly pathetic what the gaming community has come to.

[Gh05t]

Is there actually any legitimate account that shows exactly what the 500 million bought them or even close to an accurate breakdown?

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you I would just like to know if this has been proven accurate yet.

I dont believe that 500 million was used on one game. Just trying to see if there was something that came out that wasn't speculation.

[TheWow]

The overall tone of the article is one of a slightly embittered gamer. However, the points are reasonably valid.

I do disagree that this is a real threat to the industry. Every now and then it is great if we have an "Avatar" moment for games. One huge game with money thrown at it until it becomes a flawless gem, a showcase of what gaming can truly be.

Then again, the Author may be right to fear. If every game begins to invest more and more money, it will not only alienate the smaller, indie studios somewhat, but also create a very unstable ecosystem.

However, publishers aren't dumb. They are greedy, but not dumb. So I doubt we will be seeing many games with as big of a budget as this.

tl;dr, interesting view, just don't see it happening, or being a real threat.

[Gh05t]

"Every now and then it is great if we have an "Avatar" moment for games. One huge game with money thrown at it until it becomes a flawless gem, a showcase of what gaming can truly be. "

Are you really suggesting that we are better off with only one great game every now and then rather than EVERY game being magnificent?

I would much rather have eight epic games a year than 40 mediocre games.

[TheWow]

Of course I'm not suggesting that.

[speedforce131]

One thing I think that everybody missed was the fact that he mentioned (and used the reasoning of) Jim Sterling. Jim Sterling is one of the most dumbest, most idiotic games 'journalist' out there.

This guy is literally a cancer on the games industry. He spreads FUD non-stop. Always fails to see the bigger picture. Has no idea how games are designed and why people love to play them. He stirs up trouble. That's what he does. He does it under the guise of telling the truth but in reality he's just awful.

[fr3d0]

just comes off as another butthurt xbone fangirl

[Ihatetrolls76]

And you sound like a troll

[Gamble20]

The only reason I would hope this game fails is if the metacritic score is sub-70 and/or because there is no split screen. I really do not like the trend of next gen deciding not to support split screen gaming. Playing with my roommate and girlfriend in the same room on the same TV is just a lot more enjoyable than online, if they just so happen to have the same game on a different system and TV. That being said, I still want Destiny to succeed overall. Studios should be encouraged to take big risks and be innovative.

[TylerDenzine]

I agree with this 100%.

[ThatEnglishDude]

And I disagree with you 100%.

[MasterCornholio]

What a dumb article.

:I

[cyclindk]

Aren't Destiny and Borderlands NOT persistent open world games, i.e. you walk through the same areas which have respawned the same enemies after a few seconds as if you've had no impact on the world in any way?

[jcole97]

Why would you want this to fail? This is an awesome game to play with friends. I will be enjoying this with friends on my xbox one. Add me guys : BlvcKxLION

[gamerfan0909]

I don't understand wanting games or game companies for that matter to fail. It's a juvenile thought process that actually hurts the industry. If Destiny fails then the next big budget FPS trying to do the same rich world and lore will not find a light of day. People need to start accepting all things in gaming even if you're not a fan of a particular company because competition breeds convince and innovation for the consumer. At this point with development as high as it is, games failing hurts the industry way more than it hurts Bungie and Activision.

[GW212]

And I want the author to fail.

But seriously, I don't like the premise that every big budget game will be some open-world RPG or shooter. I don't think that will be the case. I want to believe that developers will make big-budget games that are unique in terms of game play.

But maybe not. Whatever the case, I loved playing the Destiny alpha. I can't be the soothsayer that others on this sight claim to be, but I know that I'll really enjoy this game.

[Landoncole1]

Not worth reading the article, it's not about the games, it's not about Destiny, it's mostly about AAA gaming. I'm tired of gamers coming up with conspiracies like oh Xbox fanboys are mad because some exclusive stuff. Sure some may be mad but not every little thing is going to be a mad fanboy. Somebody dislikes say something like Fable/Halo etc. I'm not going to sit there and be like oh he's a Sony Fanboy. Just stahp.

[Ravage]

See how we humans always find stupid ways to divide ourselves? Well put dude.

[Ravage]

I should make an article.. "I want video games to stop evolving because bad."

[bulletskillutwo]

i thought the alpha was amazing, and even though it was just an alpha i seen a lot of potential and i think i'm having withdrawals from it :). the beta can't get here fast enough, people need to stop hating on this game and just enjoy it.

[Kirnisorey]

"Some people, just want to watch the world burn" -Alfred

[RexDD]

Anyone else facepalmed when they read this?

[joab777]

This game isnt borderlands. Stop with the comparisons. It is so much more than that.

And trust me...just b/c Destiny succeeds doesn't mean everyone is gonna try something this ambitious.

[viper1437]

holy freakin clickbait batman .. does this idiot not read the interwebs at all ,, It's 500 million over a 10 year life cycle of the game not all up front at one time ..wow

[endzeitkind]

headline only for clickstatistics. this guy is a totalbimbo. dont click on the source link.

[DMLFury]

Don't give this clicks. That's what he wants.

[Ihatetrolls76]

I for one look forward to this game and have faith it will be a whole new experience. Not for once did this person mention being an xbox fan boy and all you trolls come out of the wood work to talk crap about xbox fans is really pathetic. To any xbox fan down playing destiny shame on you bungie has supported the xbox for many years with a great franchise then you take a dump on them because your feelings are hurt is sad. To all you trolls on both sides of the fence do us gamers a favor crawl back under the rocks and don't come back out for 10000 years you pathetic morons are what's destroying gaming.

[stripe814]

oh my goodness..what a crap reason

[N0gg1nsh0tz]

It may be risky business investing $500 million into the game but its there fault if it ends up failing then it does, no point in rambling on about it.

If you don't like the game, don't play it and it won't get to you anymore because you made your mind up :)

[StarElite]

Why was this article approved?

[Moe-Gunz]

I was not blown away by the alpha. Frankly found it pretty boring (however, I reserve final judgment until the final copy is released) and I don't understand the "best fps ever" claim it is getting.

With that being said, wanting it to fail? What kind of idiocy is that? I want it to succeed because it is ambitious and even if it didn't wow me, it surely impressed others. I wouldn't want any game that developers legitimately put effort into fail. That's simply mean spirited.

[Ihatetrolls76]

Just curious didn't sony fanboys want sunset overdrive to fail as we'll man fanboys are pathetic like monkeys slinging pooh at each other

[jnemesh]

Sunset Overhype doesn't need any help to fail...it will do that all on it's own.

[Skankinruby]

Ironically this article has shifted a lot of my attention to this game in a good way. I had no idea how big of a budget this game was floating on. I just kinda wrote it off as a halo clone but now im intrigued

[jnemesh]

You know, I want the latest Hollywood blockbuster to fail! I mean, by dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into production and more into promotion, they are really making it difficult for smaller filmmakers to compete. Also, all of this is just pushing CGI laden films without any substance. We really should hope that this summer's next big movie fails, so all of the "little guys" have a chance to compete!

<grin> see how incredibly STUPID that sounds when you apply this argument to a different media? This clown needs to turn in his writing credentials and get a job at McDonalds or digging ditches.

[D3ATH_DRIV3R_777]

Uhhhh, huh?

[Claudinho69]

the hate is real

[Tzuno]

remember MAG? well...

[Gh05t]

"Leave Destiny alone, leave her ALONE!"

-Chris Crocker

[dafegamer]

wtf? who the hell wishes a company to fail

[Rob_Ko]

SMH, xbots getting more annoying and stupid every day.

[lovesGaming17]

After the beta it has such a heavy feel of halo. From jumping to the gun sounds. IMO at least. Exclusive content like a mission or costumes is nice if your into that. But for me I prefer a mouse for fpshooters. But I think I'm going xb1 version because the controller feels better for me. 500$ million is absurd for a game budget. But I hope it pays off for bungie/Activision if it flops it will really really hurt there contract w destiny 2 and 3 coming up every other year

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[urwifeminder]

Failing just means you are successful at fail still a success in my eyes, success is failing to fail lol. Only reason I would want this to fail is to bring down dev costs so other devs don't think they are Michael Angelo and waste millions on whack concepts then go broke.

[Lacarious]

without reading the article.... i too want destiny to fail... its a last gen game and nothing more than halo with a new skin.... halo is done and over with.

[lovesGaming17]

I Wish this was current gen only (ps4xb1)

[Ethereal]

Despite the financial background of the game, I respect what Bungie is attempting to do. You know, they could just charge $15 a month as other MMO's do.

[Provolone24]

I don't understand people like this. I've been a passionate Playstation fan since 1998 and a diehard Insomniac fan ever since playing Spyro back in the day, but I'm not sending death threats to them because of Sunset Overdrive and/or downplaying the game. I think it looks great and I really wish it was coming to PS4 considering that is my platform of choice, but man...I'm nowhere near as salty as these Bungie haters. And they have even less reason to be mad because Destiny is MULTIPLATFORM.

Get over it and get over yourselves.

[Inception]

Sigh...gaming journalist, how low they can go?

[lemoncake]

Borderlands mmo, give me.

[SoulSercher620]

Wow what a butthurt Xbot. He's sad Bungie went to the other side to make their game on the PS4 which is the lead platform BTW.

[Phoenix76]

'IMO' The author of this article seems (to me anyway), to be skipping around what is generally obvious to most gamers nowadays. The 'AAA' market is filled with nothing but money men. They have the finances to throw around cash like confetti on advertisement and marketing, whilst beliving that by just doing that they will reap back what they have put in of their own money and that of shareholders plus more. I guess in some part, he does want Destiny to fail, as it will be seen that there is too much cash 'buying' hype and making copy and paste shooters, rather than actually investing little money into something, yet get great innovations in return like some indies are currently doing(NO MANS SKY). Which will 'proberbly/most likely' generate a high return for low investment.
But rather than just say that, he takes the long route.

[snittolo]

I want this article to crash n burn instead of the game, another article not worth reading and giving free clicks to the website.

[KontryBoy706]

whoever wrote this... go play in traffic

[Trekster_Gamer]

Another dumbass opinion piece not worthy of being clicked on....

[leemo19]

I guess the author lived up to his destiny by writing a failing article.

[Ridiick]

I have read the article and I don't understand this guy, or you are a indie ultra-hipster or a Halo fan with the heart broken. Anyway it seem that Xboxers (and related press) are not going to be objective with this game I expect a lot of articles like this in the following weeks.

I have played the alfa around 30 hours and for me is a must buy at day one if you have a new generation console.

[hi54geezus]

I want this journalist to fail.

I'm going to be honest. I didn't read the whole article, only the title and the first sentence. There should never be an instance where a game should fail, unless its clearly meant to offend, not entertain. Even cash grabs remakes, remasters should never be wanting a failure. If people want them, let them buy it, no one is forced to buy a remaster.
This guy is worse than those fanboys that wanted Titanfall/Infamous to fail for the sake of their respective consoles that the two were competing against.

[JMyers]

I would rather see constant rehashed sequels fail... Year after year the same thing with no change or innovation. Destiny is offering a variety of experiences. Nothing's wrong with big budget games, with large scale marketing. There's plenty of room for both... Look at the Indue scene for instance.

[Papafynn]

Why would someone who isn't talking any risk with their money or time with an endeavour wish it to fail because

"serve as active encouragement to other publishers and developers, forcing high-budget projects of this kind with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of investment"

Please ignorant one, market forces will decide where money is spent. We the game-buying public will justify a publishers risk or not. Be it Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Madden, FIFA etc. They exist because the market justified them. Now i may not play Call of Duty and would rather the money is spent on Civilization Revolution II or another XCOM game but who am i to deprive others of their entertainment when it hurts me none whatsoever. Demand and supply.

Grow up! You're acting like a child who won't allow others to have fun because he's losing the game being played.

[SnazzyGent]

"Even though the logo totally looks like Master Chief’s crotch" was when I realized this article was bullshit.

[diesoft]

You think the success of a single high-budget game will somehow encourage other developers to spend $500 million dollars?

How many developers and publishers do you think are going to spend HALF A BILLION DOLLARS just because it worked (assuming, of course, that it DOES work)?

Do you REALLY believe this is such a huge concern that you needed to write this? Well, look out, everyone! There is going to be a f***ing FLOOD of half billion dollar games thanks to Destiny.

[Dirtnapstor]

500 million over a 10 year period of game installments. Author was misleading in this respect. He needs to let go of the "social injustice" within the industry itself. Like the real world, it's dog-eat-dog. Unfortunately many good developers get the short stick.

[FreshRevenge]

Seriously do we have moderators on this site? I mean do they read this garbage that comes through their site? If this came across my desk. This would be quickly thrown in the shredder. I don't care if this is an opinion piece or not.

This lame idea of the writer is that of a middle school mentality. I got to play through the Alpha and found the game to be very addictive and look forward to playing more of it.

Karma's a bitch. What you wish on others will come back to you. So here's looking at a failure of a writing career before it even started.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Isn't the game the same amount as other retail releases?

[LightDiego]

Stupid article.

[IcicleTrepan]

I hope the author fails.

[Scatpants]

Yeah great idea lets hope big budget games fail so we only see shitty indie games being released. Don't you need to wax your mustache or something?

[Eejanaika]

Im not to into this game but i do hope it suceeds

[ForgottenProphecy]

Not sure if Xbox Fanboy, Flamebait, or trolling, or all 3

[Max-Zorin]

This article is just as stupid as the Devil May Cry 4 petition.

[lfc_4eva]

You want a mega blockbuster to fail? hmmmmm sounds a little strange to me.

Gaming needs these huge monoliths to lust after and hope for an utter mind blowing experience. They are needed to give gaming that mass market appeal to bring people together. But it also needs small team developers to spring surprises that no-one saw coming, to keep reminding us that we are nerds at heart.

Just the same as the movies need the mega movies to get people talking about what they can't wait to see on the big screen. But it also needs smaller film companies to create those break through performances that push the industry further forward.

[Deathly_Grin]

Why is it that the author believes that dumping $500m into a brand new franchise, if successful, is suddenly going to cause the entirety of the gaming industry to follow in turn. Here's a fairly basic question Caveshun probably should have asked him/herself before writing this article.

Of all the publishers in the world, how many can actually afford to drop $500m on a new franchise and survive the fallout if things go south?

Think about it, the indie studios aren't going to do it. Ubisoft has money but they're focused on developing multiple new franchises so putting all their money on one horse doesn't sound likely. EA could probably do it, but so many people are on the fence about EA they would probably not buy the game out of spite.

The $500m pricetag isn't something many people can afford...hell it's not something anyone other than Activision can afford. If Destiny is successful it's not going to prompt everyone to suddenly start taking out loans to come up with the next best open-world, shooter, rpg with mmo elements. The Risk/Reward factor would be too high and almost mean certain doom for any publsher willing to attempt this with someone elses money.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

It won't.

The marketing machine will shove this game down the throats of gamers everywhere. The publishers will be counting their money long after gamers have already sold their copy of Destiny back to gamestop.

[victorMaje]

Played it, loved it

[MuhammadJA]

I hope it fails because of no PC version.

[Donnywho]

Sometimes you just have to take a deep breath and realize the world doesn't revolve around you.

[mysticwolf]

apparently the writer of this piece of junk is a failure of life itself.

[dennett316]

Where was he with GTA 5, or Halo 4, or Call of Duty whatever number we're on now, Or Resident Evil 6, or Watch Dogs or any other big budget AAA title that has been released over the last 10 years?
Yes, the amount spent on Destiny seems huge, but that includes all marketing costs (which most other companies never reveal) and developing an ambitious IP. Big budget games aren't cheap, and haven't been for years. Why does the author only want Destiny to fail? Why not the other titles mentioned? Why not jump on Square Enix when they were talking about the sales figures of top charting games not being enough to make back the budget?
Despite Destiny being so huge, the indie scene has never been more popular, with plenty of low and medium budget games coming through from a greater number of developers than we've had in years. Indies are selling really well, the industry is NOT just the AAA space, and that's well known among most gamers and developers. In fact, most games being released nowadays have smaller, more manageable budgets...and lots of them are doing well despite the lack of AAA advertising budget. Not since the Commodore 64 era of bedroom programming has there been such diversity in the industry, you just have to not treat the industry as just being the AAA space.

[BattleN]

I wanted Microsoft to fail at one time also!

[forgetmenot]

I wanted titanfall the fail

[gigoran]

I never thought I would find a website worse that kotaku... I still haven't, BUT this website comes very close.

Whoever wrote it obviously knows nothing about the game. There is one... ONE simple fact about the game that would completely destroy his pathetic opinion.

[g5bay]

i hope it fails fuck activition and bungie lol.

[NixonMonoxide]

I'm just here to laugh at the hilarious title, and read even worse comments.

I'm obviously not going to click on such a stupid article.

[batbatz]

just like toxic n4g to push this stupid article to the top

[Orionsangel]

I want these stupid opinionated articles to FAIL!

[Abromb]

I want your 'journalism' career to end. How does that feel?

[Psycho_Mantis]

Oh look, another "opinion article" that gets more hits because of one douche bag who wants a game to fail, heheh. And OK..? And you are who again?? Hey if you want a game to fail then why don't you nag about it elsewhere instead of trying to get hits for your site. This is getting really old now and just looks pathetic.. >_>

[aftershock]

And I want this author to die an AIDS related death for saying something so idiotic. Why would you want a studio who contributes to your hobby/passion to fail?

[AstroCyborg]

obviously an halo fanboy

[kewlkat007]

I sorta get what the Author is saying....he is talking about that "AAA" bubble which has hurt the industry over the years with the rising cost of games...etc

[BobBelcher]

why does everyone assume it's an xbox fanboy? I mean there's the PC and Nintendo systems that aren't seeing this game at all... Why not one of them?

[mahmoods26]

It's 500 million for a ten year cycle.

You're talking about a game that has only $60 as a point of entry. There's no subscription fees at all.

Yes there will be DLC content, its Activision after all and there will be sequels but they've planned content for ten years. In my opinion they can easily make back that money over a ten year period. Get your facts straight and do your research.

[jts1891]

What a pathetic article. So, they spent 500 Million dollars on Destiny? Instead of talking about how that's bad for the industry (Which it isn't.), let's wait and see if the game lives up to it's price tag. If it actually turns out to be great, that 500 million will be well worth it. Honestly, the writer sounds like one of those 'Indies are the heart of gaming, and big, expensive titles are evil' types.

[linkenski]

Bungie is already dead after firing Marty and shaking hands with Activision AND making an MMO (look at what Blizzard has become after WoW) to me. I want destiny to succeed but it's the final nail in the coffin IMO. I don't think they're gonna make new games afterwards that interest me if the pattern is true.

[sovkhan]

The amount of anger and hatred is insane to come up with an article like this...

So sad, some people are too mean to wish for a game company to fail, and disguise it like it is for the gamers sake :/

Pathetic to say the least.

[MilkMan]

Why do you want Destiny to fail, Don't you love Halo? I don't like either, but legions do.

[vulsker]

I want to first say that this article is freaking moronic! I am an avid Xbox fan but always own both consoles. (Sony and Msoft) Articles like this make some gamers look bad.

[GeisT]

I just want some games to play. This drought of games is killing me. Why do they always make the summer so bad for game releases. FU HOLIDAY SEASON