Bungie Explains Why Destiny Is Not 60fps On The PS4 And Xbox One

Bungie's Destiny is one of the few AAA games that will be running at 1080p/30fps on both the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.

[skydragoonity]

Looking for parity in all four consoles, great move maybe

[bleedsoe9mm]

great if you want to play it on ps3 or 360

[Geekman]

Approximately 160 million people do.

[ginsunuva]

How would the ps3/360 versions be worse if next-gen was 60fps?

Jealousy? Yeah, if someone wanted the higher framerate, they should get a next-gen console.

[alexkoepp]

Just more evidence the "power gap" between consoles doesn't exist. Just a few months of time put that misconception to rest.

[awi5951]

Bungie is crap they never listen to their players they only care about pleasing the casuals and thats why Halo lost its Multiplayer crown on xbox. They kept making the weapons weaker and weaker untill it felt like you are fighting with a water pistol. Then call of duty comes out and blows it out of the water.
Because if you get shot in the head or a grenade goes off in your face you die.

Bungie never got it, people dont like weak crap weapons that dont kill after you fire one whole magazine into someone. Halo 2 multiplayer is the game that made me switch to ghost recon and rainbow 6 because they made halo into a noob game multiplayer wise. Yes more people played it but it was the fail people that loved it. The old school halo people quit playing it because they did nerf every weapon by 50 percent. Thats why the Halo CE remake didnt get its own multiplayer Bungie knew people would have left the other games and played that way instead.

[TheRedButterfly]

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[The Meerkat]

awi5951
Seriously dude!?

Your rant reads like someone who team kills when they can't get the rocket launcher as only they are awesome enough to wield it.
Or rage quits because he can't circle strafe.

I'm glad I won't have you on my side in either Destiny or Halo 5.

[DaleCooper]

I'm not a fan of bullet sponge multiplayer. But that doesn't mean there isn't a place for it in the gaming world.

I'll just take my rainbow six-style, 1-2 shots takes you out, multiplayer. It's always more fun for me.

[MeliMel]

Ghost Recon and Rainbow are tactical shooters tho...totally different feel for what you would experience with a early Halo multiplayer. I actually like the work you gotta put in to get a kill. Made for some tense fire fights. Cant wait for MC Collection. Big Team Battle Battle baby......

[awi5951]

@The Meerkat

Did you not read my post. I play hardcore shooters one life and you are done. That takes way more skill than crap halo.

[The Meerkat]

awi5951

They take less skill, but they do take more planning and teamwork.

I love games like R6 and Gears where planning always wins over skills.
But saying that you prefer the games because of the ease of which you can kill opponents makes you sound a bit noobish.

[awi5951]

@ The Meerkat

LOL you are kidding right? Try to take on a whole team by yourself and win in last man standing when your whole team gets destroyed early. I was ranked number 16 in the world in ghost recon 2 and halo is a total joke in comparison.

[HollowedSoul14]

look everyone i played the beta on ps4 and as much as ill flat out admit that ps4 is more powerful than the xbone i have absolutely no problem with destinys framrate was quite smooth actually smoother than killzone shadowfall campaign. no console whether it be ps4 or xbone could run destiny at 60 fps 1080p. im totally against the parity clause ms has but in this case especially after playing the beta and seeing how vast destiny is and how smooth the frame rate was i really think its not an issue. yes obviously the ps4 could handle unlocked 60fps but it obviously wasnt as smooth as 30fps locked which makes sense considering how choppy killzone can get and how smooth destiny beta was.

[AndrewLB]

Yeah. And Killzone Shadowfall was not even 1080p like Sony had claimed for months. Truth is, Killzone MP used a blending of 960x1080 images, which is far from 1080p.

[arkard]

Noticed he was talking about the campaign, which is true 1080,not sure why you had to bring old issues into this.

[Blasphemy]

doesnt make much sense. why would they want a next gen game looking the same as the last gen game. its like why even upgrade to ps4/xbone

[Skizelli]

"But why did Bungie did not targeted 60fps?"

Nice grammar.

[XtraTrstrL]

"We’re cross-platform, so we had to be very delicate with all four consoles, making sure they have the same experience, that it looks as good as it possibly can on all these consoles. A lot goes into that, from geometry to textures to post effects to particles to how many players you get on the screen. We’re always balancing that out to make sure everyone gets the same experience.”

It's hearing stuff like this that makes me wanna steer clear of most cross-generation titles. This is not what I want to hear when I'm a PS4 player.

PS3/360 - great news for you guys

PS4/X1/PC - sorry suckers, we'll bump resolution 'n textures for ya tho.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

PS3/360 - great news for you guys

PS4/X1/PC - sorry suckers, we'll bump resolution 'n textures for ya tho.

pretty much sums it up. Especially given Bungie is handling all versions. If the last gen was being ported by another studio maybe there would be room to talk about it not being held back by cross gen but I have a hard time thinking that now.

[Ace Killa 08]

Well only BF4 was about the one game that took the leap from 360 to X1 and Ps3 to Ps4. But of course that did result in the BF4 that we all remembered, buggy and all those things.

There might be another game, but I can't think of one ATM.

[fr0sty]

Yeah, it isn't like this game will win any awards for its visuals. Very dated, as fun as the game may be. Just laziness on their part. That, or someone coughed up a lot of money for parity.

[Askanison4]

Laziness? Are you kidding? The game looks amazing!

[hkgamer]

not really lazy. dated? maybe. It's just how MMO type games are. especially if it is for PC aswell. mThey need to make these games for as many people as possible so that they get money from mirotransactions.

The visuals are good enough for a MMO, but for an FPS it is way far behind.

[XtraTrstrL]

To be honest, it doesn't make sense that such parity is what a dev would want. Sure, I understand them wanting everyone to have the same basic experience, but to specifically want this type of parity is more something a Publisher would push. Which brings me back to the point of how much I hated that Bungie went with Activision. Parity is obviously something worked out between the publisher and the console makers. So, I think Bungie is just saying what they have to say, I doubt if it was completely in their hands and they kickstarted it and got insane amounts of money from backers instead of Activision's $500 million funding - they would ignore the excessive attempts at parity and just add more to next-gen versions to fulfill their vision that much more.

[fr0sty]

The game would look amazing if it were running on PS3, but by next gen standards, no. And, this isn't an MMO. I've never been in an instance where there were any more than 6 human players on screen at once.

[DaleCooper]

Yeah, you can see a real difference with games developed exclusively for the new-gen consoles.

Can't wait til the old-gen is left behind so we can see what devs do with the extra power, besides making games look pretty. Already exclusive games utilize online in cool ways, just check out forza 5.

[gamerfan0909]

I love how next gen fanboys love saying their system can handle 1080P 60FPS like it's nothing. Both of these systems are low to mid range PC equivalents. They barely have 1080P 60FPS locked games on them.

[user5669510]

They rag on PC gamers because we want great scalability across the board and talk about number of users, but rag on last Gen and that theyre holding them back but say the fan base doesn't matter. They are walking contradiction s

[Dread]

Sorry but i dont see a lot of xbox fans crying foul here.

[R6ex]

We're deep into next-gen, yet games are STILL being held back by last-gen weak consoles.

What's the point of buying into next-gen?

No wonder PC sales is on the decline, with no reason to upgrade due to all these weak consoles ports. Nvidia Maxwell can certainly wait.

[headwing45]

This article is pretty self explanatory, Bungie doesn't want to piss of Xbone owners, which makes sense considering there going to maximize there sales, it's just unfortunate.

[GodGinrai]

LOL...what a load of tosh...you dont think they pissed off xbox fans by putting exclusive content in the PS4 version and locking the fanbase that has supported them for the last decade out of the destiny beta?

Xbox owners were already resigned to the, now, seemingly false notion that they were already getting the "downgraded" version at 900P...Bungie have not shown a single shred of the X1 version of the game...They have done NOTHING to get X1 owners excited, about their version of destiny..So how exactly do you come to the conclusion that bungie are doing Xbox owners any favours?

[headwing45]

Like I said, they are most likely doing it to maximize there sales.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Here is a video example of an individual claiming that Tomb Raider may as well be an exclusive to PS4 because of the fact that it is 60 fps. There are many more people who think this way and based on Bungie's comments, they could easily put this game at 60fps on PS4

[GodGinrai]

Random guy on youtube stating his opinion...hardly proves your point.

[Gunstar75]

My thoughts exactly. They jumped into bed with Sony and pissed a lot of their "fans" off.

They certainly aren't endearing themselves to xbox owners.

[WishMeWell259]

I dont see how xbox owners are pissed off at bungie. Bungie stopped making exclusives for xbox since Halo 3.
This has been like this for a long time.

[maniacmayhem]

So your saying they would rather piss off PlayStation owners?

C'mon Headwing, how much sense does that make?

Read above dude, Driveclub, Infamous, The Order and Bloodborn can't even achieve 60fps and those are exclusive to the Sony console. If those companies couldn't do it what makes you think Bungie can?

[jessupj]

I don't really understand your logic, maniac.

We know both the PS4 and xbone are capable of 60 fps, it just depends if the developers aim for that and adjust the assets of the game accordingly. The developers of the games you mentioned decided to aim for 30 fps for whatever reason.

Following your logic I could say Konami managed to get 60 fps in Ground Zeros so why can't everyone else?

See how flawed the argument is?

[maniacmayhem]

@Jessup

You don't really understand do you Jessup.

Devs can achieve 60fps but it depends on the game. How much is going on, animations, particle effects, number of players, number of textures, graphics, certain design decisions that goes on behind the scenes can contribute whether or not the game can reach 60 fps.

I love it that you and others just say "hey these guys did why not you."

Now how is it that you don't understand my logic and yet Headwig's isn't? You mean you actually agree that Bungie DILIBERATLY gimped Destiney so they wouldn't piss of Xbox One fans. So instead they are willing to piss off PS4 fans.

I bet you understand that insane logic right?

How can you say Bungie aimed for 30fps for whatever reason? IT SAYS IN THE ARTICLE WHY!!

Bungie wants to achieve parity with ALL FOUR CONSOLES.

FOUR CONSOLES, PS3, Xbox 360, PS4, Xbox One.

[jessupj]

I know devs can achieve 60 fps on both consoles. That's exactly what I said in my previous comment. I understand perfectly. Perhaps it would be beneficial to you if you read my comments a bit slower next time.

"I love it that you and others just say "hey these guys did why not you.""

You do understand that falls under the same logic as...

"If those companies couldn't do it what makes you think Bungie can?"

...don't you?

If you "love" that logic of mine, you must "love" your own.

and I wasn't actually saying that if you read correctly. I was merely trying to point out your flawed logic by using hyperbole.

I think bungie want the same EXPERIENCE across the board, but I'm sure they will use the extra PS4 hardware in some way, such as larger draw distance, lighting, more accurate physics etc. I'll wait and see.

[maniacmayhem]

So you still dodge my question of why my logic is flawed and yet Headwig's isn't?

No it does not fall under the same logic because Bungie has already expressed they will not for the reason stated in the article. And even still, other exclusive games of the same type could not achieve the frames, so why is the Xbox One being blamed for the third or fourth time I'm asking you.

No, you weren't using hyperbole, you were confused and thought Bungie was deliberately lowering the framerate for the PS4 due to some limitation of the Xbox One. It's exactly why you replied to me instead of Headwig, it's why you said you had no idea why Bungie would do such a thing. It's why you didn't say anything else about it in your last reply. It's why you continue to believe that PS4 has this extra power Bungie is going to use for the reason you listed.

[fullmetal297]

Or maybe they were referring to the last gen consoles. You ever consider that before blabbing your hate?

[akraven]

exactly headwing45.

[calvincrack]

"Better on PS4"

"...In terms of DLC!"

[bleedsoe9mm]

made a big difference for sony in regards to watch dogs should have a similar effect for destiny i guess .

[Gazondaily]

Watchdogs ran better on PS4.

[SITH]

That DLC is coming to xbox. So, better on Ps4... temporarily.

http://www.gamepur.com/news...

[e-p-ayeaH]

i bet most ppl dont give a damm about the dlc just like cod dlc on xbox.

[SITH]

I just care about the versus map, and strike mission on mars. The rest is meh as it will surely be replaced.

[Aussiebeachbabe]

Timed exclusive DLC... coming to pc/xb1 soon.

[urwifeminder]

Should manage it on the next gen remake or I wait for PC to be 60fps.

[gamerfan0909]

wow

[Bonkerz]

I should of known what these comments would be like. You guys do realize that Sony paid Bungie why would they gimp the game you clowns... Do you think that Sony would allow that with their money? You guys i swear...

[ELpork]

Because they didn't want to work on a PC version to make sure it'd run at... 30...

[SITH]

With destiny my only concern was resolution the xbox one. It is a beautiful game, and I wanted to see that beauty on the xbox one regardless of FPS. The only people butt hurt are those that wanted some ammo for the forums. Not fun when that ammo, and gun it uses is the same caliber.

[CorruptBoyd]

Come on this is next gen ! If you guys were gonna make a halo skin at least make it 60fps.!

[Geekman]

Didn't mind with Watch Dogs considering it's open world, but I prefer shooters be 60fps. I'll have tp play it.

[Drithe]

After playing the alpha version all I can say is ... who the hell cares if it's 30fps. When this game comes out it will be GOD!

End of line.

[esemce]

I care and that's why I'm getting it on the PC and not my PS4, f@ck the DLC 30fps in 2014 is for peasants.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

Wow you sound so arrogant

[KAEM7]

He might sound arrogant, but he has a point. 30fps for a fps is shit. I'd gladly trade in some resolution or visuals for a locked 60fps. gampeplay>visuals

[ramiuk1]

the alpha was silky smooth for me on ps4 and im more than happy if its graphically the same too.

[lokirevamped]

The alpha was great, no worries. You forgot to add another O to one of your words, there is only one GOD.

[SonyMontana]

I respect Bungie, but come on. So what if the X1 version can't have as high a resolution as the PS4, you should have still targeted for the highest possible resolution and framerate on the most powerful console, then adjusted for the other consoles from there. I really hate this gimping for the sake of everyone having the same specs. PS4 will always win the resolution and framerate battle due it's higher tier GPU, not fanboying but you just can't argue with cold hard facts. 1080p 60 fps should have been the goal on PS4, if it had to be 900p 60 fps on X1 then so be it.

[GodGinrai]

This game would not run at 60FPS in 1080P AND look as good as it does, on PS4. you REALLY need to wake up and smell the coffee.

[SonyMontana]

So what's your excuse gonna be if Naughty Dog release the visuals they are aiming for with Uncharted 4 and it runs at 1080p, 60 fps? I'd really love to hear it.

[KUV1977]

They totally will but it will be smaller and more importantly controlled environments. I am not saying that Destiny is the end of possibilities but it looks pretty good and runs smoothly. All the guys who claim that devs are lazy or bad at optimizing have no idea what they are talking about.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

Blame the past gen for the gimp, not the X1

[hkgamer]

but what if there is 20 players on screen at once, or maybe if there was 100 players on screen? not sure what the limit is on this game but isn't this game meant to be similar to an mmo?

I think they targeted 30fps so that the fps doesn't drop when there is lots of things going on at once.

[lokirevamped]

It's amazing how you say you are not fanboying. If you read the article you would know that they did it for Last Gen machines, I guess you would be\are StupidNonReadingJustWantToComm entBoying.

[SonyMontana]

What about anything I said is fanboying? Facts today will still be facts tomorrow.

[Jman36x]

That is just stupid, Battlefield 4 gave us 900p/60fps on PS4, WHY? Because the freakin console we payed for could handle it, 30fps is ASS and should die out already.

[esemce]

You can't really label BF4 on PS4 as 60fps, most of the time it ran at around 45fps, for me the fluctuating fraterate was off putting and that's probably why destiny is 30 locked.

[thisismyaccount]

Yet... it has TOOOONS more shit going on on screen(BF4). The game would run easily at 1080p on the PS4, not locked 60fps though :)

This game, the so called 10 year project (destiny)... looks good aesthetically, but techwise its not good at all. You have to ask yourself :

"Why does this game run on a 770GTX at the same framerate and pixelcount as with a 750Ti?"

FFS! One gpu has close to 500 more shaders! That´s like having a 2nd gpu untouched in the PS4(compared to the XB).

Let´s ignore all teh other facts like twice as many render output units! and better, faster, easier vram..

Just watch most of the 3rd Party Games Comparison over at Digital Foundry. Barely a difference between the two.... in in the best example : Tomb Raider Ulti. Edition

Porting over the XB1 game-code to the PS4, the flucuation in the framerate has to be a joke? Just shows which of the two will be the leadin platform this gen, again...

play pc version if there is one, for much cheaper. only way to manifest against this shaite parity is to not buy the ps4 3rd party game at all, unless you got the new copy for really cheap (there are way of achieving that
EURO>Dollar)

By the way here the interview, about M$ defeding their "policy" :

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[90Supra]

The parity clause strikes again.....smh

http://replygif.net/i/1099....

[Nocando]

Must I send a link to what the parity clause actually is? It has nothing to do with graphics you git. On topic,I truly wish both consoles had gone with more powerful hardware,way more powerful. I would have dished out the extra $. Now we are stuck with the equivalent of mid range gaming laptops for the next 5-7 years. And yes, I realize there is always PC but there are a lot of exclusives I cannot get on PC.

[lokirevamped]

+1 That's why I'm getting the Alienware Alpha Console,I already signed up for it. It will look great next to my X1\PS4\Wii U.

[Master-H]

This sounds like parity to me, same with Wolfenstien, therefore , whether the parity is with last gen systems or with the bone i don't care, i will be skipping this game, i was iffy about it from the start since it requires a connection all the time, but now this is the final blow.

500 million dollars for the game and they couldn't bother to optimize each version according to the hardware it's on , rather they just gimped them according to the weaker one ...no thank you.

[Clogmaster]

Remember when arcade games used to have the highest end graphics in videogames?

Imagine if arcade developers aimed for parity with Gameboy.

[Gore-Content]

Parity. Plain and simple.

[iluvmaPS3]

The ps4 can run bf4 at 900 and 60fps but destiny cant do 1080p 60fps? Yeah right. And pigs can fly. Canceling my pre order. Thats a big finger to Playstation

[strickers]

Game looks great and is smooth. Some people need to grow up. Bunch of whiny babies

[iluvmaPS3]

@stickers. Some people have respect for themselves and don't like to be walked on.

[purp13m0nk3y]

While both the Xbox1 and PS4 versions are both native 1080/30p I fully expect the PS4 version to have better AA, AO, and probably shadow quality and be less prone to frame rate drops.

(essentially what we saw in Watch_dogs recently)

If Bungie have indeed gimped the PS4 version and not pushed the hardware to its limits then it's a non purchase for me. I'm all for the games (irrespective of res fps) a fun game is a fun game after all.

But gimping one version to keep parity is extremely poor form! In fact IMO it's enough to make me reconsider buying the game at all.

I'll wait for a digital foundry analysis before I cry foul, but the thought of Bungie gimping it's lead platform leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

[LamerTamer]

I am skipping this game too. It is very lame to hold back one version for the other and not take advantage of strengths. Obviously Bone fans don't care about graphics as much or they would have bought PS4s. That being the case they would expect a version a bit less graphics intensive, why would they freak out to Bungie?

The other reason I skip it is because it is online MP only. They wanted me to play their way. Since I would be spending the money I want to play my way which may be offline. Honestly running around "maps" with 9 yr old kids cussing is just immersion breaking and annoying to me. They could have included an offline mode (they already have enemy AI monsters and levels to explore) and you would think they would to get the biggest audience possible.

[Slick81]

Lol ps4 owners and their parity complaints eat it up my friends

Ps4 where 30 fps happens

[purp13m0nk3y]

Not sure what your trying to say?

Are you having a go at PS4 owners wanting devs to make the most of hardware? Or are you having a go at PS4 owners being upset because devs are potentially gimping their version to maintain parity with the Xbox1's weaker hardware? Or are you just having a failed attempt at trolling?

Either way, try harder. Your comment makes little sense.

[jnemesh]

This is EXACTLY why I want the Xbox to die sooner rather than later! The fact that developers are INTENTIONALLY limiting performance on the PS4 so that they have "parity between platforms" is just plain WRONG! What the hell, Bungie?

[Arty84]

and your proof is where? like a bunch of other users have mentioned its time to be realistic about of ALL of the consoles capabilities 400-500 bucks wasn't gonna give ya a perfect replacement to a pc gaming rig

[LamerTamer]

No one said it would best a high end PC. But it isn't too much to ask to take advantage of the power that you do have. It is just a fact that the PS4 is a bit more powerful than the Bone, they should use it.

[jnemesh]

Did you even READ the article?

"We’re cross-platform, so we had to be very delicate with all four consoles, making sure they have the same experience"

What does "making sure they have the same experience" mean to you?

[mysteryraz11]

Parity shit again, and shutup pc fanboys you aint even gettin the game lmao nerds go back to begging for games like usual on your irrelevant platform

[TheDevKit]

http://www.pcr-online.biz/n...

[mysteryraz11]

Nope the most popular pc games ae mmos and flash games check the charts, stuff like lol and world of warcraft or even shit like farmville, ports sell better on consoles, low budget mmos are wht brings pc the most money

[D-riders]

BS here man...is this to keep things fair for MS. seriously, I didnt buy a next gen system to be fair to the last gen

[system22]

Really? The 360 and ps3 are two of the consoles in the loop but it's x1s fault? Use your head.

[shadyiswin]

1080p on both will be a common feature,leaving the 720p propaganda in the past. This is only the beginning. Then you'll see Sony fans "protesting" agaist companies that don't make the ps4 version slightly better lol

[DJ]

If the game can't stay consistently at 70+ FPS, you can't cap it at 60 FPS. I played the game yesterday and it's fine at 30 FPS.

[windblowsagain]

You know what annoys me on here.

The lack of knowledge.

You can hit 60fps 1080p on any title.

But you would have to drop shader complexity, polys, particles,shadows and many other things, a.i maybe etc.

Any dev could do this before they show the game off, and you would be none the wiser.

Killzone sf and Second son are both stunning looking and have a varied framerate. But i don't believe the gpu is the problem. I think the CPU is stalling the GPU atm. I'm guessing all physics engines will using the GPU soon enough.

I've been playing the alpha and it's a constant 30fps with some slight frame pacing issues which will be sorted. Looks very nice as well.

[givemeshelter]

Welcome to how PC gamers have felt since the inclusion of 3D Graphic cards....

[its_JEFF]

At a cost of $500,000,000... it had to be cross-gen. Just not enough PS4/X1 owners to cover the cost. But, from what I've played of the Alpha it's looking like a good game, can't wait for the release.

[cheameup]

as long as we have games being made for all 4 consoles we wont have true next generation . we have slightly better looking versions of the same game

I was in the alpha and really it only looked marginally better than halo reach

[TiberusX87]

I played the Alpha. It looks incredible, and it's a lot of fun. Who cares.

[GeisT]

Are people really going to complain about this? When you make a game "especially a cross platform game" you have to standardize the experience so that it is enjoyable and fair to everyone. Just because its launching with this resolution doesn't mean that's where its going to end up in a few years. Try and focus on the game itself rather than meaningless overblown pixel counts and other fanboy bullet points. Some of the most successful games of all time are not known for their graphical fidelity. Look at WoW, Call of Duty, etc.

[DevilishSix]

Shooters play better at 60 frames, thats all im going to say.

[Gamer666]

Why Bungie is 30 fps on X1 and PS4?

1) Because fanboys make a big deal about technical differences for absolutely no reason.

and

2) Because Bungie still has MS 50% ownership and probably in the separation agreement between them Bungie got creative freedom and platform independence in exchange for ensuring that every game Bungie makes must ship on all future MS consoles and the games must have technical parity with them.

[RobLoPR]

1080 on Xbox One? How is that ever possible?
Only PS4 could reach that high resolution on AAA games

[LamerTamer]

1080p on the Bone is possible by downgrading everything else, in this case the framerate. Other times AO. AA. shadow maps etc. are downgraded on the Bone to allow it to keep up. The GPU is weaker on the Bone, it just is whether you want to believe it or not.

[marcofdeath]

Stop using fanboy talk.... Both of these systems will hit 1080p. As game engines get better the games will get better. "The GPU is weaker on the Bone, it just is whether you want to believe it or not." Is that why Driver Club isn't 60FPS?

[RobLoPR]

I dont want my games to be fun, or my console to be able to do anything else besides play games... games that look good and run at 60 fps... even if it means sacrifizing entertainment and replay value.

[marcofdeath]

Although i like XB1's hardware better, i will defend both here. PS4 is equal to a PC spec of 3.2TF (2x) of a PC GPU.
In time it will be easier to code for to meet that TF number.
These game engines are mostly from old hardware, that will perform better on PS4 as it's the closest to present day hardware but has been a challenge for a number of different hardware aspects of XB1. As stated here:

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_C...

and backed up here with the use of a GeForce GTX 680 (3 TFLOPS) for PS4:
http://game.watch.impress.c...

[SonyAddict]

Damn that alpha was rough!.

[PsylentKiller]

Maybe they are looking to make this the first cross-platform game. Like we can play with players with all systems or at the very least cross-generational. If the PS3 is at 30fps they will be at a disadvantage to those on PS4 running at 60fps.

[BigBosss]

typical Bungie, im glad 343 took over for Halo games, bungie couldn't even make halo 3 run at 720p, they're just lazy.

[Tedakin]

This is clearly about parity, but I understand by Bungie would do it. If the games were different, that controversy would overshadow the actual game. It happened with Watch Dogs. It happened with Tomb Raider. It's better to just have one solid equal experience from a PR standpoint.

[iliimaster]

what they should do since the ps4 is doing so well and obviously the better console they should tell developers not to gimp the version on the ps4 it sends the wrong message to the people who purchased a ps4

[CertifiedGamer]

Everyone above me either didn't read the article and had chosen to comment on it too. This title is misleading just because Bungie is trying to make the game look as good as it can doesn't mean they are sacrificing frame rate. Bungie never talks about frame rate at all in this article. Nobody except Bungie know how many fps the final release will have.

[lazyboyblue]

Wow the guy from Bungie practically admits Destiny is 30fps because of cross gen.

[Mithan]

Not a big deal. Running it at 30fps means we will get better graphics detail as well.

[ParanoidFreak]

I knew there was something going on with the framerate during the Alpha. I definitely knew it was coming in at around 30fps but chalked that up to being an Alpha build and that it would be 60fps by release or at least the Beta. Now this BS about cross-gen limitations comes out?!?

Call me a "Debbie Downer", but whatever. 60fps as a supposed standard this gen is why I left last gen. I hate 30fps and was giddy leaving it behind. It gives me a headache. If I only knew then what I know now.

I love gameplay over graphics as much as the next guy but 1080/60 NEEDS to be the PS4 standard. Fuck everything else. I'm skipping Destiny. Such a disappointment too after all the months of hype and anticipation.

[RevXM]

I played the alpha, it is a fun and smooth game I love it, I will get it. I wasn't going to but the alpha won me over completely.
The game is beautiful, it is organic in a way and it has a fantastic artistic direction.

The alpha looked less than stellar technically but that is normal for a pre review build.

They claim they will make changes in other areas outside resolution and framerate which will be 30 fps on all and 720p for 7th gen and 1080p for 8th gen. The difference will be in stuff like textures and polycounts.

We should see a huge bump from the alpha and actual difference between the platforms around release.
Optimization is optimization and whether it is spent on extra frames, pixels or fidelity is all up to the developer. 30 fps locked is just fine by me and it doesn't make sense for consoles to go beyond 1080p anyways at this point.

I hope Bungie sticks to their guns on this and don't lazy out on optimizing each platform they have all this experience, prestige and money. absolute parity is not the end of the world, but it is a downer. Can not wait to play more!

[Firebird360]

This game should have been current gen only, ps3/360 are holding it back.

[RealtorMDandDC]

I do agree. Mutli-generation Cross-platform kills the true artistic scoop of a next gen games.

[THC CELL]

game looks amazing on all consoles, bungie has always been awesome.

[Claudinho69]

Microsoft paid to have equality

[gamer1138]

And Sony paid to market it as a PS exclusive. Both lose.

[teo72]

My prediction on difference between ps4 and xbox one editions: ps4 version 1080p with higher fps (unlocked framerate?) and better AA, otherwise virtually identical. Xbox one edition with no AA, and might be upscaled from 900p.

Still looking forward to this release (on ps4) with great expectations.

Not unexpected that bungie keeps quiet about technical differences between ps4 and xbox one editions. After all, they are in the business of making money. And if they shit all over the xbox one version, then they would probably make less money; and that would be rather stupid to do on purpose...

[PsylentKiller]

I don't get it. People really seem to believe that the devs have this massive amount of power on hold because the other console can't utilize it. If they double the fps to 60 fps, you think that nothing will have to be sacrificed? The PS4 is more powerful but on an expansive open world game like Destiny, I don't think there is much more left in the tank. Even if they did have more power to use, is it enough to double the framerate without compounding any issues?

Maybe in a more linear game the ps4 could hit 1080p/60fps without issue but on Destiny I think there isn't enough left over to do anything meaningful.

[MadLad]

PC has been dealing with weaker tech forever. I find it funny when console gamers take offense early on in a generation.

[My_Outer_Heaven]

Getting sick of these 30fps excuses.

[gammaray13]

there just piss lazy programers, get out of the business if you dont know how to code a game in this day and age, 60fps is standard for 1st person shooters anything less than that is just a joke

[kewlkat007]

Meh..

[SpinalRemains138]

The Alpha build runs better than Warframe.

I love Warframe, but Destiny is very nice, and 30fps is sufficient.

[ion666]

I remember when the p.c. master race started with games like doom and quake. every one knew the p.c. was more powerfull but they didnt rub it in console players faces.Console players didnt argue about the how much the game sold. we used play games because it was fun ,now everyone bitching and moaning textures and fps. WOW

[BTBuck1]

And this is why I don't like there being two big consoles... one holds the other back.

[Tzuno]

because consoles are not next gen yet.

[Qwagy UK]

Just cancelled the PS4 pre-order, been playing Alpha not for me, may as well get this on the 360 the graphics are poor at best.

[ethomaz]

Ohhhh boy... PS4 version holed to parity with Xbox One... sad decision.

[Majin-vegeta]

And pre order cancelled.I'll just pick it up used.

[Neonridr]

Seems to me that there has been almost zero parity so far this gen. Almost every multiplatform game has been in a higher resolution or with a more stable framerate on the PS4 over the XB1. So now if there ever is a case where a game runs the same then the devs must be purposely holding it back? Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

Could be that the PS4 version didn't run solidly enough above 30FPS so it wasn't worth sacrificing in other areas to achieve a solid 60FPS.