Crytek Shares Secrets of Using Xbox One eSRAM's Full Potential, Resulted In 'Big' Bandwidth Saves

"The increased power that the Xbox One and PS4 offer over the previous generation of consoles has been as hot a topic now as it was when both consoles launched."

[lifeisgamesok]

If anyone knows it is Crytek. The King level in Ryse has some of the best foliage I've ever seen in a game world

Ryse 2 is going to look out of this world

As years go by and developers get a game or two under their belts we'll start to see huge improvements on Xbox One it's all about data flow this time around

No one who has played Ryse can say Xbox One is weak

[Webbyy]

I have no doubt that xbox one can create nice visuals.. but I must say I am tired of all the talks of what it "could" ..

Sigh, just show us with the games guys.. Not trying to troll or anything :-/

We will see in 2 years or so.

[randomass171]

No, you're right. I want to see the potential as well, but so far they've only 'talked' about it and haven't really shown it.

[lets_go_gunners]

"Show us games"
I'm pretty sure that's what E3 is for.....is it not?

[headblackman]

x1 is showing you the games. it's the ps4 that you should be saying that about.

[Dread]

He just said Ryse.

Cant u read?

Ryse is not potencial it is real.

[MysticStrummer]

@headblackman - Neither console has shown anything so far that made me want to upgrade. Actually BF4 did, but it was such a mess online that I changed my mind and decided to wait some more.

[TheTwelve]

The "could" is part of the sales pitch.

[MelvinTheGreat]

Irrelevant to the topic at hand. How about we stay on topic instead of downplaying the cloud, because ive seen so videos that look quite good.

[truefan1]

You mention could, but Ryse is still considered one of if not the best graphical game so far this generation. Imagine if DX12 was ready at launch because of the CPU utilization reduction, that would have helped the framerate. Ryse 2 will be immaculate with high quality graphics and nice and stable framerate.

[Codey47]

Cloud
Could?

I Bet they won't use my slogan for promotional purposes.

The Xbone...allegedly already has those "system seller" games that no one can stop talking about.
Yet the only thing you guys can rattle on about is DX12.

[MorePowerOfGreen]

"but I must say I am tired of all the talks of what it "could" .."

I think what you're saying is you don't like devs and engineers telling people that developers have not begun to tap the XB1's full potential.

You can't be too "tired" of it if you feel the need to track and troll all related articles with damage control. Perhaps you mean, it's getting tiring keeping up with the articles to do damage control.

"see in two years"

^^The preview is this year. XB1 already has parts of DX12 and I'm sure games use some parts of this tech in the 2nd wave of games.

Best thing to do is stay the fuc out of the articles if you're sick of them LOL

All that matters is that the devs making he games are learning and being helped with tools. No one cares if you don't want to hear it.

"In two years"

^sounds like wishful thinking or misleading.

It's comical how many people are upset over this. First it was all lies and then when too many people/devs mention it, haters start saying they're sick of hearing it or it's years down the road or it won't help that much blsh blah blah

[scott182]

@truefan1
I really have to disagree strongly with Ryse being the most impressive game graphically, maybe artistically, but not graphically. Even it's main gloating point 80,000 polygons for it's character was smashed by infamous at about 120,000 polygons. But another true test of machine power is how well a game runs, and at 900p it can only manage mid 20's and drops to mid teens, while infamous stays at a solid frame rate at 1080p even with it's particle effects going wild.

I am not trying to bash Ryse but nothing about it is the most impressive graphically, sorry to say. I still find it extremely pretty and well made artistically. Software can only do so much for the hardware, and both the PS4 and X1 will improve in that area.

[mediate-this]

Devs of both sides both proclaim their respective consoles could do this or that

[mikeslemonade]

Ryse is on rails and has inconsistent graphics. Looks great in some parts and in other parts it looks first gen of the last gen. I question your critical eyes if you think it's something special in the graphics department.

[Baccra17]

They make Xbone sound like a shonen character, like it's going to get a random powerup out of nowhere.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

People should shut up about the cloud, I dread the day the cloud takes over ad it basically means bye bye offline gaming.

As for Ryse, damn that looked tasty. Not a half bad game either just too short and not enough variety in the levels.

[ocelot07]

@headblackman How is PS4 not showing us the games? Pretty much all multi-platform future releases have shown PS4 gameplay or picture (watch dogs,destiny,project cars,Dying Light ect) have all shown us PS4 gameplay and graphics of there up coming games. Yer none of them as far as I know how shown the XB1 version's of there games why? Hell Project Cars have even shown us Wii U pictures and yet no XB1.

So Webbyy, and randomass171 is correct. Microsoft or devs instead of talking about what xb1 could deliver. How about showing us? Hopefully at E3.

[fr0sty]

I agree, the whole cloud thing is just MS trying to slyly force always online gaming on its users, and then saying "we can't disable it, because this game relies on the powah of teh cloud!"

When developers themselves come out and say modern internet infrastructure cannot handle cloud aided rendering, i'll take their word for it over the company that has made it loud and clear they have a vested interest in trying to force their console to always be online.

[BX81]

All this show us crap, look at ryse and sunset overdrive.

[pyramidshead]

I love it when truefan1 crystal balls out of his ass. Haha.

I always like to point out that Ryse is the only one out of the launch games that does look decent, visual wise. Crytek are pretty much geniuses about creating amazing visuals with games so they probably have a lot of tech within their own engine to bypass Xbone's many bottlenecks with intelligent tricks.

Shame the rest of the devs weren't clued in cause they needed a bone thrown judging by the output.

edit: With all these talks of massive improvements in a year or two more than solidifies my decision to pick up and Xbone maybe in the 2016 era, seems to be struggling right now.

[4Sh0w]

Downplay Ryse all you want, avoid the fact that just like when Gears of War dropped, then Killzone 2 arrived the vast majority of the press and gamers were rightfully calling those games for their time graphically superior, other games look great too but clearly Ryse keeps getting mentioned for its graphics long after release. Ryse is visually stunning and that could not be achieved unless you have powerful hardware. If you personally don't like the game itself for its flaws then that's fair but despite those flaws that doesn't take away from the fact that the hardware allowed for still the most next gen visuals of any game at launch.

I want every X1 game to push graphics but I don't need every X1 game to look as good as Ryse, I'm sure over the years some will surpass it and many won't but what I want is for devs to be creative first and foremost and decide what will visually, artisticly and overall be better for their game direction then ultimately chosing what res works best to give me the BEST GAME for my dollar, not the best RES.

Finally the X1 although not as powerful as ps4 is clearly more than capable of producing jaw dropping graphics, Ryse only proves like every gen before that game development is a combination of hardware AND has a lot to do with tools, game engine, optimization, game budget, artistic design and dev talent with both having limits short of todays powerful PC's. This all means that the best games will come from those who put in the most hardwork, regardless of hardware. If not then explain to me all the crap looking rushed games last gen on 360, ps3 and pc last gen, and how did games like Halo4, GTA5, Uncharted games, TLOU look so good on old console hardware compared to games running on much more powerful pc hardware???

Again history speaks louder than all the shouting, we know X1 has eSRAM that takes a bit more optimization to utilize, we know DX12 will also be helpful to devs, how much?; I don't know. We know ps4 will improve too but then how much? We don't know what kind of optimizations will be made for either.

So without a majic crystal ball, we can make an educated guess= Logic and history says if you look at the gap in terms of launch and first year games in regards to specs then there is no question they both will turn out some fantastic games as the years go by with the ps4 remaining slightly ahead in specs(due to being more powerful now). That said again looking at the current games we are not talking wii-u difference in specs here so they are comparable but truthfully we all know the ceiling for either console is 1080p 60fps(highest spec in any genre that will be achieved) so cross out Forza5 and given ps4 has more 1080p games) then its fair to say that ps4 is closer to that mark from the start but no doubt that's where they'll both end up, unfortunately its worth mentioning this 1080p 60fps benchmark CAN BE fools gold, since it doesn't automatically translate to a *better game.

[Eonjay]

There is no exclusive game advantage. That is an illusion because even if you bought multiplatform titles only, you would still have plenty of good games to play. In fact you would have more.

[k3rn3ll]

To be fair... all of these articles are reporters asking questions of MS and devs. So lets stop acting like MS and yhe devs are bragging what could be. They are simply answering questions

[fr0sty]

Big bandwidth saves over DDR3, for 32mb of data at a time, yes.

[GameNameFame]

Two issues.

1)Game is still 900P and hits as low as 15 fps.

2)Tiling is fully supported as well on PS4. Dev mentions nothing that this was some special secret sauce that only can be taken advantage of.

As matter of fact, it is already being supported on PS4.

[Why o why]

All this ryse talk... I truly believe it would run at a higher res and at a more stable framerate on the ps4. It does look good and x1 fans will proclaim its the best looking next gen game whereas ps fans will probably say infamous ss. No point getting into an unwinnable debate. From a tech standpoint there is no real contest as one of the games mentioned has a lot more going on plus its open world running at both a better framerate and res. Thats got nothing to do with preference or opinion, just straight facts.

Ultimately, time will tell and technical competition is a worthy battle.

[Docknoss]

The Xbox One is about to become a graphical Juggernaut. I predict E3 will prove what the cloud, Direct X12, and Crytek's Esram knowledge can do for the enhancement of this generation's graphics. Black Sails are on the horizon with the Xbox Banner and there bringing Greatness.

[JokesOnYou]

Why all the Ryse talk? Well because gamingbolt wrote this news thread about "Crytek’s Sean Tracy talks about how the Ryse dev team took advantage of the Xbox One".

Its a win win for xbox detractors they love specs but when a X1 game turns out to be graphically praised or a game like Forza 5 actually does hit 1080p 60fps then naturally ignore all that and immediately deflect, dismiss, downplay those games by talking about game design flaws, framedrops, pre-baked lighting talk....all while praising great ps4 games that have their own flaws, ignore things like having a short, uninspired shooter with a boring multiplayer that does nothing next gen, ignore a ps2 quality platformer at 1080p, ignore a delayed racer that still isn't hitting 60fps(conveniently it doesn't matter because it will have all these other things that the other 60fps racer didn't, really and I guess a sim game running cutting edge physics is easy to do, that's why GT takes so long) ignore a open world game that YES looks damm good but is downgraded from its trailer but more puzzling the world is small and lifeless.

lol, same old Jokes, same old n4g.

[AndrewLB]

Scott- Those numbers you stated pertaining to Delsin's polygon count are complete BS. They originated @ VGleaks and were specifically talking about triangles, not Polygons. And spare me some lecture on semantics because if you had any knowledge of 3d model development and design, you'd understand that they're not the same thing. A polygon consists of two triangles.

Don't believe me? Go read what people actually knowledgeable in 3D graphics and programming have to say about it over at Beyond3d.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

As for the graphics in Infamous:SS, everyone keeps praising how great they are. But as I've said, it's easy to distract and deceive with all the pretty neon glowing crap from seriously poorly done

Example: http://i.minus.com/iFomudsm...

The game suffers from incorrect parallax and general inaccuracies that cubemaps suffer from, or the absurd wipe behavior inflicted by screen-space reflections.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Beyond3d is without question the most knowledgeable community on the net having to do with 3d technology in modern gaming.

[madpuppy]

That's because Microsoft's favorite hook is to tout about "the potential" and "the possibilities"
of what they are going to bring in the "near future". Microsoft's history is rife with the corpses of products that never lived up to the hype and pages of great innovations that ended up being nothing more than vaporware.

That is why it is foolish to buy a product from Ms based solely on future promises. you WILL be disappointed.

[andibandit]

The "could" is part of the sales pitch.

But it's only half as good as "Teases"

[dcbronco]

@frosty

People always say something can't be done on current systems. There have been new developments in the past that have pushed internet speed to where it is and the same will continue to happen.

http://m.bbc.com/news/techn...

It will also happen with Xbox One. People will learn to do more with the design but some will not accept it.

[scott182]

@AndrewLB

Crytek used the word triangles when talking about Ryse's polygon count as well!

http://venturebeat.files.wo...

I am not saying infamous is perfect, but it is the most impressive graphically.

[windblowsagain]

Nobody is saying xboxone cannot output good visuals, PS3 still does. TLOU speaks volumes.

Cryengine3 is an excellent engine, Seriously Crysis3 maxed on PC is nothing short of stunning.

The trouble Ryse is that most of the time is spent @ 28fps and then dips into low teens at times.

[True_Samurai]

I have Ryse have not seen any frame rate drops. So where are these frame rate problems you speak of? They must've patched by the time I bought cause it runs smooth to me

[Bzone24]

@True_Samurai

It's easier to see the frame rate drops if you don't own the game or console and haven't played the game. /s

[Revolver_X_]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Ryse' framerate issues are no myth. It was clearly rushed to be a launch title. The lack of content reflects that too. While Ryse is pretty, its nowhere near a masterpiece. Crytek are always lacking in gameplay though. Thats not an insult to the x1. Crytek are just all about visuals.

[BitbyDeath]

People should just forget about Ryse, everything about it could be put down to a rushed launch title, however Sunset Overdrive now that game looks great. Easily the best upcoming title for the Xbone.

[Gamer666]

I played the game though all the way. I never saw a frame rate dive.

@Revolver_X.

I love it... You've played the game through you tube!

[Trekster_Gamer]

It clear you have never played Ryse with your trolling statement.

I have played through twice and it is smooth and slick ALL the way through!!

A freakin awesome game!

[Ghost_Nappa]

Ryse was also extremely linear and has frequent framerate dips

[candy_mafia]

@GhostNappa

You're getting Disagree's but what you typed is legit.

I know you own X1, and so do I, and I'll concur, Ryse IS linear. Linear on a similar level to GOW3, except due to variety, I enjoyed GOW3 more. There definitely are framerate issues. Sometimes it feels like Ryse drops to sub 20fps.

Ryse is even better when you watch someone else play, but after you've seen the 100th execution, I defy anyone not to feel a little bored with Ryse. It's incredibly cinematic and totally beautiful though. I dream of the day when Ryse visuals are in an open world environment :)

#honestopinion

[BX81]

I can honestly say I never experienced this frame rate issue you are speaking of. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Hell I had some issues with TLOU graphics popping in once you entered an area. As you can imagine I got plenty of flack for that. Sometimes for what ever reason or the other we experience these issues when many others don't

[UltraNova]

@candy

PS4 and Infamous SS will keep you satisfied for now as its 80% there, and that's more than enough for now.

[Mikethejew]

Give me a break with ryse, no doubt it looks good but it's on extremely linear rails so its not saying too much. Also the enemies on screen are almost always twins, their are 3 different looking enemies you fight at a time. Its like gta3 when you get a car magically everyone else is driving the same car, do you know why? Because they ran out of ram, same thing with ryse. Honestly if anything ryse shows the limitations of the xbox one.

[Jazz4108]

If ryse is on rails then so is killzone and any game that's linear.

[Gozer]

You obviously have never played through Ryse. The graphics are truly amazing, I could definitely notice the "uncanny valley" feeling at points in Ryse. How this some how shows weakness in the X1 is a laughable theory.

[christocolus]

@lifesagame

Crytek definitly knows their way around the hardware.I enjoyed Ryse and for a launch title they did good. The game had some of the best visuals I've ever seen..I can't wait to see Ryse2. I know that game is going to do even better with some drop dead visuals.

However im sure all MS first and 2nd party devs(remedy, BT, rare, lionhead, playground,343i, rare, T10, BT etc) have their own secret solutions to using the esram,it would be great though if crytek shared their idea with the other guys and together help third party devs get a better understanding the hardware.

[Gozer]

I agree about Ryse. Its one of, if not the best looking game that I have ever seen. I also thought the story was entertaining. The gameplay is kind of simple but challenging when you start going for flawless combos. Im a level 50 in Gladiator Mode. I downloaded all the current dlc as well. Ive seen some wicked gladiator armor since Ive been playing. I think Ryse got cheated on a lot of its reviews. I think they have layed the groundwork for a good sequel.

It would be nice for Crytek to explain to other devs how to get good results with the Esram, but that wont happen. Crytek is out to make money on the CryEngine by selling it to 3rd parties. Frankly, Ryse has a very good argument for a dev to choose the CryEngine.

[choujij]

Until games like Ryse and Titanfall are able to be rendered natively in 1080p, the hardware shall be considered weak. Even my midrange $150 gtx 750 ti outperforms Xbone and runs Titanfall in 1080p:

http://n4g.com/news/1459397...

But feel free to disagree with facts.

[kevinsheeks]

Butt butt butt on a article about titanfall the very game you just mentioned to prove your point you said earlier
----------------------

"Yup. Among other consoles, I have a gaming PC, PS4 and Xbox 360. I have no desire to buy this over-hyped game on any platform I own.

I just want to see what M$ has to say when they explain: "wha' happened?". #2.15.5"
----------------

So you haven't experienced it yourself? don't tell me your just speculating out of your ass?

it's over-hyped yet you've managed to keep tabs on various articles about it O.o

ohhh but feel free to disagree with facts :)

[choujij]

@Kevinsheeks

I'm sorry you're experiencing difficulty comprehending what I said, but nice try tho. I never once said I play TF or even own it. I said even my gtx 750 ti outperforms Xbone and runs TF in 1080p. I even provided a source to show that this point was fact. I'm sorry if you mistook that meant I personally play it, but I don't. So I don't disagree there. But I also don't need to test my card to prove it's a known fact.

My reasons for passing on TF is because the lack of campaign and the inclusion of the auto-aim pistol are a huge deal breaker for me. There are other aspects of the game which I find disappointing, but no need to go any further.

I have no need to disagree with your comment, even though your grasping at straws. But unfortunately for you, nothing you said disproves the facts, such as that Xbone doesn't play these games natively in 1080p and that my cheap GTX outperforms it, including the above mentioned title.

Feel free to disagree with me again though (along with the rest of you fanboys). :)

[DoesUs]

900p with dips in the late teens = not a very good game on a performance level. In stills? Sure, looks great...in motion?...

[Magicite]

Ryse had poor sales and mediocre scores, why would they want make a sequel, unless MS funds it?
That game might look great at times, but it performs terrible, lower resolution and subpar framerates.

[christocolus]

Lol..dr3, forza5 and ryse have actually sold pretty well. You hate the xbox one and it games and always post crap like this. Alot of people actually enjoyed ryse and many more want a proper sequel but does it bother you that MS would want to publish a sequel?you dont like the xbox one so what do you care?

[Clown_Syndr0me]

Ryse didn't perform badly at all. Have you played it? Not the best game ever but absolutely nothing wrong with its performance..

[mhunterjr]

Define poor sales...

[DigitalAnalog]

Just another "sales" pitch talk when it all boils down to visual improvements. Improvements no drastically different from the previous gen and they didn't resort to marketing bull like "DX12".

So why is it a big deal now? Because there are sad individuals that need to validate their console to equalize the competition - I get that, but there's a difference between having realistic expectations and blindly idolizing it to be more that it actually is.

And what have we learned here? Nothing, really. Other than an in-depth look on how the X1 (just like the 360) is getting optimizations down the line. You know what else is getting improvement.. the PS4, and, like the "cloud", does not need to create echo chambers to create their own distorted reality.

Enjoy your games, and demand for more quality output from developers.

[youndamie]

I haven't really heard anyone say that X1 is weak, it's just not as powerful as the PS4

[LocutusEstBorg]

As years go by publishers will use screenshots from the PC version and the actual game will look low res and lag like the 360 and PS3 now.

[supercpu]

its not a bottleneck ;) i already know . there is a good reason why they put it in there . when DX12 and tiled resources are ready things will really kick off cant wait to see the other's faces :) .

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

No. They put it in there because they were not confident going down the gddr5 route for whatever reason. Heat.. Cost.. Availability.. Given the Xbox ones TV goals I suspect heat being the main one. There is no doubt which of the two consoles packs for heat and louder fan rates.

[showtimefolks]

lifeisgamesok

no one in gaming can doubt that Crytek can create stunning looking games. But there issues are

story
fun world to play in
combat

so just a stunning looking game can't be the answer to all. I hope crytek hire some good writers

[frostypants]

But it doesn't change the fact that it would have been better with GDDR5. Just because Crytek took full advantage of the ESRAM doesn't mean it was a good hardware design choice.

[BallsEye]

ESRAM just like any component is a bottleneck only if not used properly. MS wasn't stupid at all to implement it. XBOX ONE was built from ground up with tiled rendering technology in mind, something that only super fast memory such as ESRAM can do. If you didn't play Ryse, do it and you'll be a believer. It's simply best looking next-gen game to date. Crappy youtube videos don't do it's justice. And it's not about resolution, it's about all the things that makes it look ultra-realistic such as amazing real time shadows, cloth and even body fat/muscle simulation, out of this world shaders, tens of thousands of polygons in every character (and you can see hundreds of them on screen)real time global illumination, mind blowing reflections in armors (you can literally see reflections of flaming arrows passing by on the armors of solders)and much much more. I can only dream of what they'll achieve with next installment of the game. Rumors say it will be a more open world game..I really hope so!

[DoubleM70]

Only thing I have to say is play it and find out. All the haters are just in denial it's the best looking game to date.

[frostypants]

So now people are pretending that ESRAM was a design decision from the beginning? Wow...the brainwashing worked. Ok guys, carry on...whatever makes you happy.

[ThanatosDMC]

You need to play Infamous SS. Only thing is it's not a great as Infamous 2.

[ma1asiah]

@ Scott182

"But another true test of machine power is how well a game runs, and at 900p it can only manage mid 20's and drops to mid teens, while infamous stays at a solid frame rate at 1080p even with it's particle effects going wild."

WTF bro seriously.....I own the game and it definitely does not drop in frames to mid teens to 20 fps EVER. I don't need links to digital foundys or any other site and WHY because I own the friggen game. Much was made of frame drops in Dead Rising 3 and upon release this was true, but if you go and play that game now you will see that, that has now been patched and now it runs at a consistant 30 fps without any slow downs what so ever, and how do I know because I own that game as well.

Also my son owns a PS4 and we did a test where we ran both Infamous 2 and Ryse side by side. Set both Samsung 40" TV's to ensure that they were both identical in settings. Now I would concede and give the nod to Infamous SS graphically but for a game that runs at 1080p compared to Ryse that runs at 900p it was only a slight bump graphically in comparison. The other thing I would mention is that Ryse actually in most cases had a lot more going on, on screen compared to Infamous SS.

Now I have my X1 set with 36 bit pixel depth (because my TV supports deep color) compared to 24 bit which is default and I can honestly say that this does make a difference to the quality of the image on screen.

*On a side note where on earth does the Gamebolt article mention "CLOUD".....it doesn't so why the hell is it even being brought up.

The system needs more games.....another WTF,to be honest BOTH system's need MORE games, though the percentage of exclusive Triple A titles on X1 at present compared to the PS4 is currently in favor of the X1 with more great games on the way.

[ALLWRONG]

And Crytek would know, so far they have released the best looking console game to date.

[ATi_Elite]

Nice to see Crytek share this work around BUT...........

SUPPOSEDLY XB1 using DX12 clears up a lot of these problems.

still waiting for a Dev to CONFIRM this.

Anyway Good job Crytek, CryEngine is a BEAST!

Crysis 3 with Realism mod = BEST GRAPHICS EVER!!

[souga_houjou_jin]

does it matter ?
the order 1886 is not even out yet its not even in its final stage and it already piss ryse all over the floor

the xbox is WEAKER i repeat WEAKER than the ps4 deal with it already thx

[cyclindk]

Absolutely. But "weak" is a relative term, both consoles are "weak" compared to some behemoth PC, Xbox is likely weaker than PS4 and I believe the opposition, myself included, is just exhausted of devs or PR people trying to make this crutch seem like some saving grace. It simply isn't and if it were other video cards and hardware would be utilizing it in the same way. Sure it is totally capable in the right hands, but in no way shape or form was it implemented as a diehard solution for going with solid ddr3 across the board.

But of course it is all much more complex, differences in GPUs, the amount of RAM accessible for games on either console. Heck even X1s speed "boosts" it had been getting factor in. Reality is we will all see the differences even MORE pronounced in months and years to come.

I personally think bith consoles are good to go with so much RAM this time around.

Game it up!

[Slothnut]

Just finished the Ryse Campaign today and I agree it blew me away. The faces and clothing were so well done it was a thing of beauty. The Sun Goddess with the yellow dress just looked ridiculous on my plasma. I'm hoping this is what the Witcher3 will look like except open world. I love how this game has actual slices and cuts opening up on the part of the body you stab. Really ads to the combat immersion

[BigDaddyCool]

Ya its 2 bad that the game blows

[DarkHeroZX]

If this is true I wanna see them make a game that actually stays locked at 30fps and runs at 1080p for the X1.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Hmm interesting timbits so now at least their workaround to this. Can work so 2-3 years later I expect some great visuals.

[dale1]

ryse is a bit of a QTE button basher and it wasn,t that great lets be honest.pretty yes boring very quickly its like a role reverse between the ps3 and 360 but the x1 just hasn,t got the hardware its that simple

[Dudebro90]

dude learn how to use an apostrophe. Using a comma instead makes your comment impossible to read.

[Blaze929]

that type of punctuation is way past the mental capacity of the typical "Xbox One Hater"

[ocelot07]

Can't stand people who rip into people because they don't type correctly. I read what he or she wrote very clear. I am sort of worried for you if you find his or her comment "impossible to read".

Just to piss you off from now on I will type like this. XBOXZ ONEZ POWOR OF THE CLOUWDS!!. PLAYSTATIONS HAZ NO GAMZ!!! ikefnmjt'n4ionjtoghinrtujo

[djplonker]

Good visuals is all you can expect from a crytek game...

[cyclindk]

Which is sad because the games play pretty smooth too they just need to mix in a few new people to make the games mo funners. Less repetitive, unless of course that's the technical limitation to making pretty games, nothing to do.

[DanielGearSolid]

What is Crytek working on?

I gotta see how they do on Ps4, as far as visuals, idc about their games in general

[gameseveryday]

In our interview we asked the potential when used with the PS4. They said that the results will be comparable to the Xbox One. We will of course publish that story in another article.

On topic: There is no denying Ryse looks phenomenal.

[marlinfan10]

you make it seem like theres a huge jump in visuals from the ps4 to xbox one. I've got both systems and the graphics are basically the same. you need to be standing still to really notice how good infamous looks. when you're running around, shooting or whatever, it all looks basically the same

[cyclindk]

One thing, even if they "look" the same, simple fact is if one has double resolution and/or framerate, it means there is that much more power available. So if they truly tried to go toe to toe, one would fall short in very apparent ways. Resolution and frame rate are sadly some of the most "invisible" improvements to games for many people.

[candy_mafia]

Well that's awesome Crytek are sharing the knowledge with other Developers, or selling it as part of their Middleware tools.

They're probably not sharing all the secrets due to 'competitiveness', just the techniques regarding the breaking of the bandwidth issues that bridge X1's eSRAM and the 8GB DDR3 Ram.

Important that Xbox One is performing @1080p/60fps where possible. That's where gen 7 should be IMO.

[Ju]

I'm pretty sure this will just be part of the XBO's CyrEngine implementation. Doesn't guarantee that your game will be a success. But it sure is an argument to sell a CryEngine license.

[Volkama]

The quotes in the article don't directly reference esram, so as the common pleb that I am it sounds like the techniques they are using could be applied to any other platform.

Hopefully we'll get the full interview with full context at some point, so this pleb can try to better understand the relevence and application of the things they discuss :-)

[aerisbueller]

devs: We finally found a use for the ESRAM crutch that helps make up a tiny bit of ground for XBox One's shortcomings. It's called tiled resources.

xb1 fans: Oh my god. Did you hear it, guyss?! Tile resources, groundbreaking technology only possible with ESRAM. MS is so forward thinking. They built the machine for the future. With DX12, and tiled resources, oh my clouds! Wait you'll see in 2020, XB1 games will be passed PS4.

[DoesUs]

@aeris.

We have a winner. It's the next thing on the chalk board that will save the XB1

[OpieWinston]

I still say lets wait until Microsoft better optimizes Tile resourcing/eSRAM for all devs so that it won't be just taken advantage of by First/Second party studios.

Like last gen, this gen is going to be about optimization.

[gamer1138]

Esram...the new cell processor.

[Volkama]

Careful there, you are simultaneously attacking 2 rival gangs. I'm going to give you and agree, to give you strength against the disagree flood :-)

[gamer1138]

Thank you for your support, sir! Bubble up!

[Rhythmattic]

Opps.... I wrongfully, rightfully disagreed....

[incendy35]

Pretty cool. In my opinion Ryse is the best looking game currently available. They knocked it out of the park as far as visuals go. That opening scene where the camera flies out into the battlefield blew my mind, I thought it was CGI, when my character started reacting to the controls I pretty much lost it haha.

Really fun game as well, the Damocles storyline is epic.

[supaflypriest]

I agree! Very pretty game, looking forward to Ryse 2

[Lord Anubis]

saving bandwidth by tiling is not attributed to the ES RAM's "potential" thus being used in PC arc.

[Solid_Penguin-64]

Devs will continue to Ryse the bar on both consoles ;)

[Volkama]

That was so bad I almost choked on my pilau Ryse.

I hope yours was deliberately bad too. Anyone else?

[parentsbasement]

Ryse is the best looking game on my xbox 1......plays ok but not that fun.....Infamous SS is the best looking game on my PS4 .....plays ok but not that fun.....Plantz versus Zombies gets played more than both of them because , well , its fun.....more WOW will be on PS4 but more FUN will be on Xbox.....maybe , that's the way I see it from the father of an 11 years old perspective anyway , we play X1 together all the time , don't even have a second controller for the PS4 yet , will though in the future I guess , if Little Big Planet does something....

[cyclindk]

Good comment.

You give context with details about your perspective as a father, blatant opinions, very concise.

[bornsinner]

900p 30fps isn't impressive

[hello12]

Ryse is a launch game and graphically intensive one at that. So the x box 1 realistically should be able to do 1080p to 30 to 60 frames within two years with software tweaks like directx12 and better SDK's.

Another thing no AAA yet on the PS4 has reached 1080p 60 frames.

Infamous and Killzone only reached 1080p 30 frames. The difference between both consoles isn't that great.

[imt558]

Quote :

"Ryse is a launch game and graphically intensive one at that. So the x box 1 realistically should be able to do 1080p to 30 to 60 frames within two years with software tweaks like directx12 and better SDK's."

DX12 and better SDK's. Great! Another excuse.

Quote :

"Another thing no AAA yet on the PS4 has reached 1080p 60 frames."

Ha-ha. Forza 5 is NOT GREAT EXAMPLE ( i know that you think about F5 ) for 1080p/60fps

For example - Cut off full global illumination in Driveclub to reach 60 fps. No thanks!

Quote :

"The difference between both consoles isn't that great."

The gap is wider than you think.

[cyclindk]

I will stay neutral on this point and speak to a fallacy which is applicable to ANY platform... They can all for the mother of god "acheive" 1080p 60 fps!!!! It all depends on your level of visual fidelity in other areas god! Texture res, polygons, level of details, visual effects, interactivity, et ceter et cetera et cetera!!

[The_devils_chum]

Crytek is just one developer and there are several devs that have said ESRAM is too small and xbox one will for ever struggle to hit 900p 60 fps even. Sorry but its true even with SDK and dx - 12 there just trying to keep the hope alive. It's a shame that they have to try and jerry rig while coding for xbox one, all these tricks like clocking the cpu and gpu. Next they'll have 2 power plugs for the thing. Microsoft needs to tighten up there slipping big time. Their internet explorer is full of security holes and everyone avoids using it, their tablets and phones and xbox ones are sitting on shelves every where. But but revenues way up, revenues isn't profit and xbox hasn't made microsoft money in years thats why investors including bill gates may want to sell sell sell. It will happen and it will happen quickly over night. Dont bother replying i dont read my messages.

[ats1992]

Well theres the reason you only have one bubble.

[JCOLE13195]

Plants vs Zombies is 900p 60fps.

[SonyMontana]

Why don't these articles from Gamingbolt ever load on mobile?

[Lord Anubis]

are you getting to them from mobile.n4g.com you gotta reload them several times. They try to force you to enable cookies.

[SonyMontana]

I see. Thank you.

[Aussiebeachbabe]

You have to get heavy on them mr montana. The cockaroaches...lol.

[Whitey2k]

Y is a third party developer always talk about the x1 they never talk about the ps4? Arw they 2nd ms party studio or summit to ms?

[RiPPn]

Sure, Crytek was able to pull some nice visuals in a corridor action game, but can they pull more than 900p and impressive visuals in an open world game like Infamous that runs higher than 30fps at 1080p on the PS4? Not likely so it's silly for them to continue to comment on the esram and it's potential.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Xbone - Hurry up and Wait.

[Mkai28]

This is the reason why Ryse could've been better then what it was and it was already good looking

"Ultimately this resulted into bandwidth gains and they were able to use just a single compute shader for culling and lighting, which is simply phenomenal. “In practice this made for the biggest bandwidth save we could have hoped for, as just reading the Gbuffer once and writing shading results once at the end for each pixel. Only a single compute shader was used in Ryse for light culling and executing entire lighting and shading pipelines (with some small exceptions for complex surfaces like skin and hair).”

The part readers are avoiding...

[Lulz_Boat]

Dat secret sausage. Ahahahahha

[Aussiebeachbabe]

Dat silly sausage Lboat.Ahahahahaha

[bligmerk]

Crytek has always shown how scalable their graphics are. Who can forget what it was like trying to run the original PC Crysis? This might be Crysis plugging Ryse but it seems more at the urging of Microsoft. MS is trying to play up all of these "things that could be" because they know they are going to have to face stage comparisons of multi-platforms at E3, with none of this stupid "gaming PC is representative of XBO" BS. The performance of these games are going to be more solidified and made public, so MS is going to keep insisting resolution and frame rate have nothing to do with video gaming. Pfffttt, I say MS has nothing to do with video gaming.

[lonewolfjedi]

but yet the game can't run at a steady 30fps and your cinematics are cgi.

[georgeenoob]

The cinematics are in-game.

[ziggurcat]

no, they are not.

[mochachino]

I came in here thinking Crytek found a new solution to the bandwidth problem but alas, they only talked about how they reduced the problem with Ryse so it's still as much a problem as at launch.

[Metfanant]

they were able to use this to free up bandwidth, but it still doesnt answer the main question that the article brough up...

and that is the fact that Ryse runs at 900p @ 30fps...

Ryse is a drop dead gorgeous game and is right at the top of the list as far as best looking games of the generation along with Killzone (single player) and Infamous...but the fact remains its pushing significantly less pixels than the other two...

im not knocking the game, or CryEngine, because its awesome...but it doesnt do anything to show us that the complaints about ESRAM...nobody doubts the bandwidth speeds, but its the amount of it available (32mb) being insufficient for 1920x1080 pixel framebuffers...

Ryse does nothing to prove this wrong...

[ThanatosDMC]

Hope we see Ryse 2 with better AI and fluid animation.

[Father__Merrin]

Ryse 2 will remain extremely linear and not 1080p exactly like its predecessor

xbox1 will improve but so will competition

[sarshelyam]

Obviously subjective, I hear people like Crytek's games, but I have not enjoyed a single one of their games. They all look beautiful, but all feature horribly contrived and/or generic gameplay to me.

I'm happy they can get their head around the technical aspect that's challenging devs on XBO, now if they could just get some teams in place with their heads around gameplay design I'd be happy.

[Dynasty2021]

Amazing how console gamers scoff the likes of Crysis, but throw Xbox into Crytek news and suddenly they produce the best looking games ever?

[sarshelyam]

I think they make good looking games, but they're horribly shallow experiences...every one of them (on PC, Console, it doesn't matter).

[iNathan]

if a launch tittle looks like that, cant imagine Halo 5 or Gears of War 4 down the road...

Same for Uncharted 4 or Last of Us 2... oh boy

[stinkytofus]

microsoft trying to damage control

i've heard more companies rave more about ps4 than xbox one and the exclusives for it speaks for itself

[Mkai28]

So crytek is Microsoft now? Title says, Crytek Shares...

[system22]

Ryse is still one of the most visually impressive console games I have seen. even up against inFamous. it also has really good facial animations (for the most part) definitely the best I've seen in a console game.

[Donnywho]

The internal secrets of the Xbox one are far too complicated for the human mind to comprehend. Think of Pandora's box and the consequences we will face if they ever actually unleash the true potential of this mighty console.

[kewlkat007]

Ryse is still the best looking launch game...Of course it takes a special developer. graphics will only get better with improved tools and smoother with unlocked cpu.

[purp13m0nk3y]

So a Developer making "good use" of available hardware is news worthy now? I don't get it. So Crytek found a use for the eSRAM. WOW! I'm sure their the first one to do that!... Not.

Woop di doo! It's one use (of which there are countless) and any developer worth their salt should be doing the same. I just don't understand why this is "news" and why anyone cares?

[DivineAssault]

ill belive it when i see it happen... Plus it has to be used on great exclusive games that dont have guns... When & IF i see that happen, ill buy an xb1.. There has to be @ least 5 great exclusives i want for it as well as a price drop & possibly a redesign of the console to make it smaller.. I want Killer Instinct so thats 1 game so far.. 4 more to go

[larrysdirtydrawss]

theres no reason tiled shading/textures wouldnt also work on ps4/wiiU,its not an exclusive thing,xone needs it more than ps4 thats for sure

[MatthewTrujillo]

Not trying to post flame bait but I'm not technically impressed with ryse. It looks good but doesn't manage to keep a steady frame rate and can't hit 1080p..... If anything with utilizing the esram they should be able to mange a solid 30fps and hit 1080p no problem while maintaining the current visuals we see in ryse pherhaps a little better.

[blakstarz]

I got the PS4 first and was very impressed, then 5 months later got the Titanfall bundle (grabbed the last one..YAH!) got Ryse, DR3, and Forza 5.

Popped in Ryse.....HOLY SHIT....Dame this game looks great! And people bitching over it being 900P, could of fooled me (guess it did). The detailing of the armor, the facial features and the foliage just looked fantastic and the game-play is fun to me (haven't finished it yet or tried the online), reminds me a little of Heavenly Sword.

[edqe]

How different is this compared to Carmack's "Megatextures" / OpenGL GL_ARB_sparse_texture ?

http://www.opengl.org/regis...

[purp13m0nk3y]

Tiled resources, Mega Textures, Partially Resident Textures. It's very similar technology and offers similar advantages.

The difference is the way the Xbox1 hardware handles the tech. Apparently the Xbox1 hardware was built with tiled resources in mind and as such can use the tech with very little performance overhead.

The same tech can and has been used on other hardware for a long time now. I'm not sure to what extent it's use will effect games development moving ahead, but MS seem to be making a lot of noise about it.

IMO, asynchronous GPGPU compute will be far more important and a greater focus in the next couple of years.

[Jack_Reacher]

Sunset overdrive is looking like a very pretty game. Still visuals are nothing without gameplay but I think you xbox owners are in safe hands with insomniac.

Maybe they traded info with crytek. Its the thing to do. Sonys own houses have done it for long enough

[CLOUD1983]

*wrong thread*

[dekke]

Ryse Ryse Ryse ...tube running game thats why it got so high points on gamereactor 4/10 :P

[Blues Cowboy]

Just buy them, MS. They wanted you to buy them back in the day, you didn't, and now it's pretty clear they're up for it again.

Buy them, use their expertise to make first party games look prettier, but then get them BETTER WRITERS. Secure CryEngine as an Xbone-optimised platform, then white label the **** out of it on ID@Xbox. Everybody wins, sort of.

But MS won't do that, will they? Because opportunities like this -- including SEGA, BioWare and even EA back in the day -- slip through their fingers time and time again. At least they have Rare - how's that working out for ya?

/rant. I've got a soft spot for MS, but they need to be a LOT more proactive on this front.

[mmj]

So how come the 'geniuses' at Crytek could still only get 900P/30fps with severe dips? the way they are talking in this article you would think Ryse was running 1080P/60fps.

[Azzanation]

Because visuals aren't always about 1080p and 60frames. You can get more out of a game if you run it with less frames and resolution. If Ryse ran at 1080p and 60 frames it wont look as good as it does now.

[mmj]

That's only because the Xbone hardware cannot run at 1080P/60fps without making heavy sacrifices to the overall graphical quality.

If you fit powerful enough hardware like Sony have done then in most cases you don't have to choose between frame-rate, resolution and graphical quality, they come as standard.

[cruzngta]

Ryse is tangible proof of what XB1 is capable of if utilized properly. One hell of a console.

[Azzanation]

To the fanbabies saying Ryse doesn't look that great. Ryse is the best looking game on both console, and I am a PC gamer and Ryse looks better then anything my PC has to offer (For now) It doesn't matter how many polys Infamous uses, Ryse spreads its polys around equally. Ryse looks like your watching a movie plain and simple. Ryse 2 will look even better.

[Einhert]

I always find it hilarious when these technical jargon articles are posted up.

All the wayward gamers believing every single bit of this absolute waffle.

It is almost as good as Nividia with their performance boost claims for drivers.