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3 Reasons the Xbox One May Struggle to Catch The PS4

Gamespot's Tom Mc Shea explains why it may not be easy for the Xbox One to catch up to the PS4.

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Abash3650d ago

The only way I could see the Xbox One catching up to the PS4's sales is if the PS4 sold 0 units for many months.

In other words, I just don't think it's possible and it'd be easier on those hoping for it to happen to just accept that the PS4 will be the highest selling console this gen

AngelicIceDiamond3650d ago

"The only way I could see the Xbox One catching up to the PS4's sales is if the PS4 sold 0 units for many months."

I know your playin on words but even then, lets be realistic.

The main thing MS has to first is cu the price to 400$. So that way they can at least get those pondering gamers to opt into one.

After that, its about that clear refocused vision for Xbox. Last but not least the most important thing is the games.

They need to bring those game. Exclusive AAA's games, 3rd party games indies games from all sizes.

Abash3650d ago

Would those things stop the PS4 from being as successful as it is? No, and that is the problem. Sure, MS needs to do more to get more Xbox Ones sold and both Sony and MS are going to make moves to make their consoles more successful, but MS's problem is how appealing and wanted Sony's latest PlayStation is by consumers

HaydenJameSmith3650d ago

I agree at the end of the day what is a game console about the games... so they need to bring the games and that is what will win it for them in the end. Sony cannot afford to hire as many 1st party developers atm and this is where MS have the advantage, the Exclusive AAA games.

And refocus there efforts on marketing the console as game console primarily and not a media center is a big must... which I think Phil Spencer is going to do...

The price cut wouldn't hurt either...

@Abash

yes the PS4 is a bit more appealing atm but that could soon change... at the end of the day I want a console with the best games and atm Sony's focus seem to be on Indie Games and this is no way to say they aren't great gaming experiences, cause they are, but I didn't buy a Console for mostly Indie Games they are a great addition but not the primary focus for a games library.

AngelicIceDiamond3650d ago

"Would those things stop the PS4 from being as successful as it is?"

Of course not.

Well I dunno maybe, we never know.

You can't rest on your laurels of PlayStation's run away success and call it a generation. Anything can happen even you know that.

We have to see if its price and messaging or if its what you stated. The PS4 is just a very appealing console overall more appealing then X1 at the moment
so yeah your right.

We'll see what happens at E3. This E3 will clear the already somewhat fogged future of X1. And Sony's plans to stay ahead of MS.

I can't wait.

thorstein3650d ago

Doesn't the X1 have to catch the Wii U first?

BIB3650d ago

Exactly...Determined or not the Wii-U is still a competitor to both PS4/XBO and seeing as the XBO hasn't surpassed it yet, I wouldn't count Wii-U out either. In the mean time, Sony made all the right moves this time and learned to correct their mistakes from the PS3 gen.

miyamoto3650d ago (Edited 3650d ago )

@ HaydenJameSmith

Do you understand what you just said to Abash about Indie Games on PS4?

PS4 is not just about the gamers PS4 is also about the gamers who makes the games- big and small developers & publishers they are all equal in the eyes of PS4!

What use is a platform if it is just for big companies like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Square Enix, etc, etc.? Power Players?

PS4 says enough of this bloated, huge budgeted, AAA games obsession by M$ that killed so many middle sized studios through the years since Xbox entered the competition!

THe PS4 E3 presentation was a big slap in the face of M$ when "how to treat indie game developers properly" was the main opening number?

Xbox Live was a horrible platform for many indie developers-there is no real independence. No! None! Everything was controlled by M$.

Indie Games saved the industry to a second video game crash! And PS4 is championing indie games this generation in the traditional market as the biggest platform for indie games! And soon PS4 will catapult this indie games & developers to popularity to millions of gamers giving birth to great big studios.

Try to be a real gamer that understand and appreciate any video game.

OT: PlaySaviour 4 is changing things right.

HaydenJameSmith3649d ago (Edited 3649d ago )

Playstation have not being "championing indie games", where do you think they have been played all this time ? Steam... the true believers in Indie Games potential, MS and Sony have just been jumping on the Band Wagon since the beginning... and do you forget Xbox Live Arcade (they may not have allowed self publishing but neither did Playstation 3 at the time)... Developers still pushed to put games out on Xbox Live Arcade and Playstation Now because they made money. Just cause Sony are getting Indie Games out on the PS4 before the Xbox One doesn't mean MS don't/didn't plan on supporting these Developers...

And you hear what you want to hear... I never said the platform shouldn't be just for big companies and I never said Indie Games aren't great experiences (cause they are which i said in my comment) but doesn't mean there the only experiences I want... You think Sony are doing this because it's right ? No I'm afraid not, they are just competing with MS... they still had the intentions of DRM on there console but switched, they still had the intention of selling PS4 with the PS camera but dropped it to get price edge, they just started to support Indie Games with self publishing to one up MS... But MS can do both... PS4 just got a head start with Indie Games... If you think MS are some corporate devils who just want your money and Sony are the perfect company then your a loyalist... Its all about competitive marketing not how happy can they make gamers and game developers...

Why don't you try be a real gamer and stop being so narrow minded... loyalty to any one console doesn't make you a real gamer... I do appreciate every game whether indie or AAA but doesn't mean the two don't come hand in hand when comes to how successful a console will be.

Edit:
Btw after looking at your comment history, you clearly don't like MS or Xbox so clearly you have no ground in this matter...

PandemicPrawn03650d ago

Xbox one doesn't need to catch up with PS4.
Sony have released a quality product and consumers are supporting it. Microsoft have also released a great console. People are buying it (perhaps not at the same level as PS4s), but the console is selling.
Microsoft and third party developers/publishers will continue to support the xbox one, as a gamer that's all I can ask really.

that the platform is supported with great games.

medman3650d ago (Edited 3650d ago )

I agree with almost everything you said. But the simple truth is that perception is reality in many instances in life. The perception of the xbone right now is that is is underpowered and overpriced. It's hard to counter that perception when every game that is available for both consoles performs better and looks better on your lower priced competitor. Perception becomes reality. So while I agree the xbone is selling well, that doesn't mean it is smooth sailing for Microsoft. They have problems with that system that need addressing, and promising the power of "3 to 10 xbox one's in the cloud" ain't gonna cut it. Not for savvy gamers anyway. As someone who has always owned multiple consoles, including a 360 and ps3, Microsoft has done less than nothing to show me why I need an xbone. Nothing. I bought a ps4 based on the quality of their first party developers, and the power advantage is a happy bonus that had nothing at all to do with my purchasing decision. It was all about the games. Microsoft dropped the ball big time late last gen by letting the game exclusives dry up while Sony continued to deliver heavy hitters right up to the PS4's release. There was no competition for my gaming dollars, Sony won in a landslide. Microsoft needs to show us gamers who haven't bought an xbone why we should buy a Microsoft console again, especially since so many of us, myself included, were burned by hardware failures last gen and bought at least one additional 360. Microsoft indeed needs to do much more than offer fanciful cloud and dx12 promises that quite frankly don't seem plausible considering the latency problems inherent with cloud processing and dx12 probably being of more benefit to pc's than consoles. Those are the some of the issues as I see them from someone who would prefer more companies get into gaming, not less. If Sony or Microsoft leaves the industry, it hurts all of us. If Sony or Microsoft continue to lose money in their gaming division, it hurts all of us. I want them both to succeed and compete to give us gamers better games and better options for gaming. I would love it if Apple or some other company entered the ring as well. The more the merrier.

medman3650d ago

I've got 3 reasons:
1. No year plus long launch advantage for Microsoft's console this time around.
2. No price advantage this time around.
3. No selling multiple consoles to the same consumers due to massive failure rates of the original console.

And I would add a fourth, which is Microsoft's inability to understand the issues the xbone faces, and address them properly, instead of continuing to talk about the cloud and dx12. Those things don't help xbone gamers today or tomorrow, and the problem is Microsoft doesn't know when those things will help. It's far too nebulous and uncertain. Maybe they will hit E3 hard with what matters most, and that's the games. But they are really going to tank hard if Sony blows them out of the water at E3, because Microsoft already faces an uphill battle being priced higher and offering less power.

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AceBlazer133650d ago

Lol, 'may'. It won't. Quicker this sinks in quicker we move on from it.

FrigidDARKNESS3650d ago

Once again 72 countries vs 13 only 2 million behind out of 59 uncovered territories.

MightyNoX3650d ago (Edited 3650d ago )

2.8 million. Put up or shut up.

@below: I realize Microsoft hired you $3 by the hour. But Math disagrees with you, no matter how many times you try to spread FUD on this site.

Had they hit 5 million, Microsoft would have said SOLD to consumers. You know it, I know it. The difference between you and me is that I can go to bed happily night whilst you have to worry about reaching your minimum quota for saying Microsoft hit 5 million.

LOL

FrigidDARKNESS3650d ago

....and the truth has been told they should have more sold with a 59 territory advantage.

Majin-vegeta3650d ago

Once again "OUTSIDE THE U.S AND SOME PARTS OF THE U.K NO ONE CARES ABOUT XBOX THAT IS ALL SONY TERRITORY".
(Wrote it in huge letters so you won't miss it this time ;)).

FrigidDARKNESS3650d ago

And how do you know the xbox one won't sell in those territories? It's all based on opinion not true facts.

Axios23650d ago (Edited 3650d ago )

ROFL

Tell that to 30,000,000 360 owners outside the UK and US.

Poor fanboys, they shot their mouths off and said "MS will only sell 5m X1 in 2014", now, after just 5 months, they look like idiots and they can't #dealwithit.

MysticStrummer3650d ago (Edited 3650d ago )

@Axios - Taking your comment at face value, a total of of 5 million XB1s haven't been sold yet, and "5 million sold in 2014" would mean a total of around 8.5 million. At this rate, that still may not happen. For the record I think it will, but PS4 will keep widening that gap all year anyway.

As for Frigid's point, which several MS fans like to bring up repeatedly, I still haven't seen an explanation for why PS4 outsold XB1 even when XB1 was originally out in more territories at first.

MysticStrummer3650d ago

Once again, that argument ignores the fact that XB1 was out in more territories at launch and was still outsold by PS4 during that period of time.

BIB3650d ago

This argument is getting stale. You say, "how do you know the xbox one won't sell in those territories?"

Microsoft released the XBO based on the metric of "tier countries", so let's say tier 1 countries are the 1st world countries of a high population of people with disposable income which is where most XBO sales are anyway.

Regardless of if XBO released in "tier 2" or "tier 3" countries, do you seriously think it would make that big of a difference in sales when the XBO is already available in its biggest markets anyway? (Even with ~800,000 or so on shelves)

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DEEBO3650d ago

Didn't MS say that those 5 million are ship to stores not sold to the public,Not my words this was from MS themselves.

So the gap is more like 3 million not two but when i was saying MS were stuffing stores with x1's and showed the pic of all the x1's in my back room i was telling lies.

Yeah those 5 million ship are the reason why MS hit the red button on the factory line to stop production of x1's until they move all those x1's collecting dust.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere11h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN9h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos6h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

peppeaccardo1h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

PassNextquestion11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger9h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto10h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos10h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long7h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel9h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator9h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg12h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos11h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola7h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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