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Sony removes the ability to download previously unsupported PSP/PSone games on Vita

After Monday's PSN update, users were able to download PSone, and PSP games that previously weren't compatible with Vita. It looks like Sony has put a stop to that.

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GeofferyPeterson3654d ago (Edited 3654d ago )

Why the hell would they do that!? Just made a burger with their huge Cash Cow. Stupid move

sinncross3654d ago

Perhaps its possible that there is a licensing issue.

it might be similar to the remote play situation on PS3. You could technically remote play a bunch of PS3 games to the PSV but you were not allowed to do that via official channels because the software was not licensed to be streamed to a 2ndary device.

That is what I assume. But I do hope that Sony re-reverses this decision and allows everyone to download these games and for them to be played on their PSV's.

Kenshin_BATT0USAI3654d ago

This is exactly why actually. They can suffer legally quite a bit if they left it.

Kingthrash3603654d ago (Edited 3654d ago )

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!
i know why but...
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUU!!
my vita just returned its new set of panties...

nypifisel3654d ago

Of course that is the case, not being very well versed in how all that works though it kinda surprises me how all these games always have been available in Europe but not NA.

Eonjay3654d ago

re-reverses

This shall be the word of the day.

ThanatosDMC3654d ago

Sony and their 180s... smh.

Gamer19823654d ago

Well they probably did it because it was a mistake in the first place and they didn't mean to do it. As for licensing if you already own the game there is no licensing issues. They didn't re-sell old games here they re-released older games for download that people had bought in the past and ones that are still available today (with still valid licenses) on PS3. They will no doubt put them back in my mind after an announcement in the future but for now they have removed them until said announcement is made.

fr0sty3654d ago

It could be legal issues, or the fact that the emulator wasn't running properly yet. I heard a lot of reports of framerate stutters and such.

UltimateMaster3653d ago

Just Download it on your PS3 and copy it to your Vita. It's that simple.

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TheGamez1003654d ago

I'm guessing because of hackers being able to exploit more games...otherwise yes, a stupid move.

Goro3654d ago

I doubt Sony give a sh*t about PS1/PSP games being exploited. They were exploited years ago when they released.

kayoss3654d ago

xYakuzaz
Its not the PS1/PSP they are worried about. Its using exploit within the PS1 or PSP games to hack the PS Vita system. This was how the PS Vita was hacked to play PSone all Psone games.

Tony-A3654d ago

I'm sure it was just down to licensing issues, which really really sucks and makes it look like a stupid move on our side. And if there's really no issue involved, then that really would be a stupid move because a lot of people would be using this feature.

I just really hope that they announce why they had to go back on it and apologize because a lot of people were excited about this and to take it out without explanation would come off as somewhat rude.

I just wanna play Crash on my Vita :/

Magicite3654d ago

it just have been some kind of system mistake from the start, we should have known that.

Christopher3654d ago

@Geoffery: It likely has more to do with licensing limitations than anything. They have to pay new licensing fees to allow games onto a new platform.

randomass1713654d ago

Such a shame. :( I hope they reverse this choice as soon as possible.

Joey_Leone3653d ago (Edited 3653d ago )

It was too good to be true. For now.

Mankey3653d ago

Best guess is it's probably a licensing issue. It seems silly but some publishers just don't want to even bother with the Vita.

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SpiralTear3654d ago

Curious what caused it in the first place, but still, that's a bummer they removed that ability.

Kenshin_BATT0USAI3654d ago

The update caused a glitch where games 'blocked' from going on vita were unblocked. I.e. seperate lines of code saying 'this can('t)happen' defaulted to 'this can happen'

Easiest way I can explain it. Hopefully it makes sense. Anyone whose dabbled in HTML should understand it. It's like an IF statement.

SpiralTear3654d ago

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. Appreciate the info.

Still a bummer, though. I guess some folks got to reap the benefits before the fix.

DJ3654d ago

Ohh, makes sense now. Thanks Kenshin

randomass1713654d ago

Yeah, they're the lucky ones lol. I was up and ready to buy a Vita because of this, but sadly I simply don't have the money for it yet.

Soldierone3654d ago

Sucks that we live in a world where everyone goes "give me money!" instead of "sure go ahead, this could benefit the world."

mdluffy3654d ago

Sony would suffer legal issues, not worth it for them.

Soldierone3654d ago

I wasn't blaming Sony, its the publishers that are doing it.

Death3654d ago

What legal issues would Sony suffer allowing Sony published games from the PSP to be played on the Vita? How is it backwards compatability was never a legal issue until this happened?

randomass1713654d ago

@Death

There is a separate license for each playable version of those games. There is a license for the PS3 version, another one for the PSP version and yet another for the Vita version. For the third party developers and publishers involved, if even one of those licenses is sold without their say so, Sony could face a copyright violation lawsuit.

christian hour3654d ago

There's also specific regional licensing laws as well, even though the game has been reviewed by the EU/US/etc department in charge of such things for classification, it would have to undergo a similar process for a new platform despite being the same game, and they also charge fee's.

It's the same reason UK/US Netflix don't have the same content, even though you can bypass that with a proxy server or changing your DNS settings, they're still obligated to block off any proxys or DNS settings they find people using to access restricted content. Otherwise they'd face a whole bunch of legal issues.

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AndrewLB3654d ago

Giving away for free what cost you time and money to create doesn't pay the rent or put food on your table. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty and advanced technology than any other system in the history of mankind.

btw... please don't confuse Capitalism with Corporatism. Corporatism is what we get when Socialists f**k everything up by injecting big government into the free market, picking winners and losers. Instead of stopping this trend that had been increasing over the past two decades, the Obama administration took the wheel, floored it, and will soon drive us all off a cliff.

Soldierone3654d ago

Thats fine and all, but we are talking about games that were made over two generations ago that already made their fair share of money. Then we are not getting them for free either, we are buying them again.

Then to top it off, its Sony porting them over, not the developers. So there really is no argument here. It's developers wanting money for licenses in all kinds of regions for no real reason at all, or them simply not allowing it.

If it was to cover costs, by all means do it. This isn't the issue though, and I see no reason not to let these games hit Vita beyond wanting to cash a big check that Sony doesn't need to give them.

dantesparda3654d ago (Edited 3654d ago )

@AndrewLB

Wow! Nobody wants to hear your nutty political views

Am_Ryder3654d ago (Edited 3654d ago )

Haha, buddy. You really have your terms backwards. And your understandings of these things backwards, clearly, because of it. You have to get the language right to discuss this s**t properly.

Corporatism: an offshoot of unregulated capitalism. When capitalism, a fundamentally right-wing, Liberal (read: not socialist) structure is left to it's own devices, THAT is where Corporatism comes into effect. So when every man can build his own wealth, and no upper limit imposed by law or regulation, then you eventually get corporatism. (Which is a small c by the way.)

Corporatism is a damaging, nightmarish SIDE EFFECT OF CAPITALISM. It's not a different thing. It's not Capitalism's fault- it's just what happens when you don't regulate Capitalism. The USA's core tenet is unregulated capitalism (land of opportunity, etc.) and because of this ideology, it is the place where corporatism began. The USA invented and innovated it- because wealth and business expanded so exponentially and quickly that corporations came into existence very rapidly, where there had never been private sector corporations before.

Socialism: the OPPOSITE of the free market and capitalism. It's the OPPOSITE of corporatism. Socialism decrees that centralised, government funds should be held by GOVERNMENT ONLY, to help the needy and poor and create more equality.

Socialism does NOT condone free market. And it does not create government any bigger than government would be anyway. Socialism just leads to more taxation and more welfare state (which, in places like Norway and Sweden, is hugely successful.) Socialism lets capitalism gets on with things generally, but features high taxation and as such puts off corporatism, because big businesses will be taxed more. They tend to go to tax havens instead.

TL;DR:

Capitalism CREATED corporatism
Corporatism is UNREGULATED Capitalism
Socialism is nothing to do with either, and the USA (incl. Obama administration) is TOTALLY UNSOCIALIST.

elninels3654d ago (Edited 3654d ago )

Dont confuse Barack Obama with "liberals" who are about as conservatives were 55 years ago. Hes actually less liberal than even they are. Barack has done what every other president has done, line his pockets and follow his donors. If you wanted someone who cares you should've voted Rocky Anderson, or Ralph Nader when we had the chance.

Do you remember Ronald Reagan net increasing taxes, net increasing spending? Do you remember him closing down tens of thousands of mental institutions in California, accounting for at least half of the homeless problem they have now?
What about George H.W. Bush having Kennedy killed?
What about George H.W. Bush's father running a Nazi funded bank in the United States?
What about Richard Nixon expanding a war and bringing about the rise of the Khmer rhouge causing the death of over 2 million people. What about georgie bush and the PATRIOT Act?

Don't inject politics into video games, especially when your preference seeks to regulate said insustry.

On related news, im bummed about this, besides ffx my vita is growing lonely. Give me FFXII for vita please.

Edit: syntax&grammar

TheDevKit3654d ago

Yeah, you're deluded if you think it's that simple; much of our infrastructure utilizes socialistic tendencies.

We'd be damned without public schools, police departments, fire departments, public libraries, museums, postal service, prisons, sewer systems, the EPA, NPR, vaccines and of course, roads.

Do you think the private sector would do a better job of governing our country?

Do you think corporations would enact laws to help protect and serve you and your family?

Our entire civilization depends on us being a people united.

Socialism is a glue that binds us together and makes possible the things that we could not accomplish as individuals working against each other.

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Seraphim3653d ago

We'd be damned without public schools, police departments, fire departments, public libraries, museums, postal service, prisons, sewer systems, the EPA, NPR, vaccines and of course, roads.

We could do w/o Public Schools and probably end up with a better education. Police we could less of. Fire use Volunteers. Public Libraries. Who needs them. Postal service, this day in age, we could live. Prisons, useless. Just kill the killers, pedophiles, rapists, etc. The prison system is a huge waste of tax payer dollars locking up petty criminals and leaving wastes of life in lock up their entire life w/ free food and health care. NPR, we can definitely live w/o. EPA and Roads. 2 things we do need. Vaccines questionably need though more so for children than adults. The Roman Empire did quite fine maintaining and building roads. Our Government already has too many roads, too many welfare programs, useless agencies and wasted $ to maintain what we have. Cut back on these programs and wasted money pits.

GeofferyPeterson3654d ago (Edited 3654d ago )

I still have the ability to buy the games on my Vita. What are the some of the best games I should buy now, before they stop me? Does FF7 work well on Vita?

kingdom183654d ago

Yes, now only a few ones that were already there still work. I can name Chrono Cross, FF7, FF8.

Jonny5isalive3654d ago

they should allow some of the better ones that work. Im not sure about now but when I got my vita I had to use my ps3 to put silent hill on it. It worked great, but I remember it wasnt on the vita store. I dont have my ps3 anymore so I couldnt get those games if I wanted I guess.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers4h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

z2g16m ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

H98m ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg16h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos15h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola10h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies20d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken20d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga20d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken20d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6420d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long20d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197220d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12520d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91320d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer20d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91320d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit19d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher20d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6920d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit19d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher20d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken20d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2320d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218320d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder20d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts20d ago

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