Performance Gap Between PS4 & X1 Not Disappearing At All, Clarifies Oddworld Team

Just Add Water CEO Stewart Gilray clarifies that contrarily to what had been reported, the performance gap between PS4 & X1 isn't disappearing at all.

[Majin-vegeta]

We all knew this since day one.Both systems will get better as the years progress but one of the consoles will always be ahead of the other due to the hardware.

[GarrusVakarian]

Yup, how people are even debating this after all these months is beyond me. There is a HARDware difference. That can't be changed. Both consoles will receive SOFTware improvements, but there will *always* be a gap in performance in favour of the PS4. Some people just need to accept that.

A lot of people will be eating crow now, it seems. Did certain individuals on this site genuinely believe that the hardware gap could just magically close and that the PS4 would be at a standstill in terms of optimization/devs learning the system? Really?

[xHeavYx]

"The PS4 has MORE COMPUTE units, and faster member and a whole bunch of things, that would make that physically impossible to happen."

[forcefullpower]

I loled heavy and your faster member

[Ausbo]

I'm so sick of these articles. Yes the ps4 is more powerful. The fanboys have to realize that. Both consoles will have great looking games but expect ps4 third parties to look slightly better.

I hope this debate doesn't go on for the entire generation

[truefan1]

You guys are missing the point. 1080p 60 fps will be the max this generation, so technically it will be about which developers will make it look the best. Unless you guys think ps4 will go being 1080p 60 fps, graphics and performance disparities will dissipate.

I repeat again ps4 is more powerful, but both systems will be pushing 1080p 60fps. Also MSFT must have faith in DX12 because they spent all that money on R&D and went with a different structure than ps4. Again ps4 is more powerful, but we have no idea how games for both consoles will look, there is a lot of IF's and UNKNOWNS.

[Baccra17]

"Yup, how people are even debating this after all these months is beyond me."

You haven't heard about the 'conspiracy'? Supposedly everything bad that happens or is stated is all done by PS fans and Sony to keep the Xbone down. They have to keep arguing because, otherwise, the 'conspiracy' wins.

[GarrusVakarian]

Lol, Truefan.....

No one is missing the point. The point of this article is to clarify what a previous developer said. No one is talking about 1080p 60fps here apart from you, the article is ta'king about the fact that the performance difference between the 2 consoles will never close. Which people who aren't in denial, have known since day 1.

" Again ps4 is more powerful, but we have no idea how games for both consoles will look,"

I'd say that the past 4 months have been evidence enough of how games will look in the future. As long as the hardware difference remains, which it obviously will, there will always be a disparity. If random people saying this on N4G isn't valid for you, then surely the words of a developer should put this to rest, no?

[monkeyDzoro]

@truefan1

Halo 4 : 720p30fps
TLOU : 720p30fps

Guess which looks much... much better than the other...

[cruzngta]

You and I know this Lukas but some people just find it to bitter of a pill to swallow. Maybe one day they will wake up and smell the coffee and see that no amount of 'secret sauce' is going to change the difference in hardware power.

[darthv72]

The gap will neither widen nor lessen due to the hardware designs of both units.

Its the perceived gap that will change over time due to the talent of the developers and the software tricks they use. this has been common in EVERY console generation.

Compare launch games of a console to those at the mid point and end and there is a noticeable improvement over that duration while the hardware has remained the only constant.

[Eonjay]

@trufan

You are right about 1080p 60FPS for both systems. Maybe not every title but the Xbox One is definitely capable of doing 1080p which Forza, NBA2K, and other titles have shown.

Outside of that the performance gap is real like the gap between two cars. A better driver may be able to steer better, but they can't alter the performance of the vehicles themselves.

[GribbleGrunger]

@truefan1: Seriously fella, don't be this stupid. Resolution and framerate are only gauges to demonstrate and prove the difference in power between the X1 and the PS4, they're not the pinnacle of next gen performance. There's far more to next gen than this ... for goodness sake.

[GameNameFame]

Sorry to say to X1 fans, but it is time to face harsh reality.

Stop grasping at desperate straws like some secret sauces like cloud and Dx12.

Even MS themselve said that DX12 benefits are towards PC.
http://www.gamepur.com/file...

Giving "console like API". So PC will benefit, but how will X1 further benefit from something every console and itself already have?

[morganfell]

"I hope this debate doesn't go on for the entire generation"

Some people need constant reminding. And honestly, certain persons deserve constant reminding. Besides, would you prefer ceaseless doomed articles?

[Saigon]

Sad to say this argument will never end. Mainly because we have individuals that won't except the truth. Like last generation many people kept saying the Wii was a fad and it would die down (myself included); 2-3 years later it was still selling like hot cakes. I eventually excepted the reality, but there were some that to this day do not.

I will take a wild guess here and state that with every exclusive and determination of visual specs for multiplat games this argument will continue to surface.

[Army_of_Darkness]

xheavyx quoted correct facts from the article and still got disagrees?!?! LMFAO! what is going through their minds right now??

[Pain]

I think I said this right the first time but ill repete it... This generation of fanboys are dumber then the last gens and this delusional thinkin the kids have that the performance gap will disappear or level out just proves my point..

[abstractel]

I told you guys you shouldn't listen to Lorne Lanning on technical matters.

[quenomamen]

The power of denial runs strong with X1 lovers

[Oner]

The sad truth is certain types of people in gaming will just NEVER admit it no matter what.

Think about it ~ they are the same ones who still believed all last gen that the X360 is/was more powerful than the PS3 when not a single game EVER has shown it to be that.

Facts mean NOTHING to them. It's utterly & completely delusional...that or it's based off immaturity & pure blind ignorance.

[Ritsujun]

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[purpleblau]

I don't believe none of this crap. In this article, it's got horrible spelling errors. more member? are you drunk?

[Heisenburger]

Are....are YOU drunk?

http://img.pandawhale.com/7...

[G20WLY]

lol! Calls website out on spelling errors after writing, "I don't believe none of this"!! Classic facepalm moment.

You ever heard of a double negative? Are we to assume that - like everyone else - you actually do believe all of this?! :^P

Looking at the facts (as they've been presented to us for the past year), this seems perfectly credible to me. Spelling errors don't immediately make a person's point incorrect, you know.

[mogwaii]

GW20WLY said it all! Made my day, lol

[dlocsta]

Where is the direct quote in this piece? How do we know exactly what was said. Why don't we stick to direct quotes and this is would not be an issue.

[Thunderhawkxbox]

@lukas_japonicus how about this one u saying they lying ? http://m.uk.ign.com/article...

[GarrusVakarian]

What? Seriously, what?

I didn't say the X1 can't do 1080p, lmao. It clearly can, it has many 1080p games.

What i am saying is that the PS4 will always be more powerful than the X1. Fact. Face it. Move on.

[Deadpoolio]

@Lukas_Japonicus If by many games you mean 3....There are ONLY 3 1080p games on the Xbox. Forza, NBA and Kinect sports, that is literally it. Meanwhile ALL PS4 games are 900p-1080p

[ABeastNamedTariq]

You're stupidly funny lmao

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

Like this quote from your ign article. "The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine."

[TheXgamerLive]

Hardware yes ps4 is a bit faster, XB1 software is the advantage and online/cloud. In the future both will do things better than the other which will be great for exclusives.

[johndoe11211]

Did you read that statement before you pressed "Add reply"?

[shadowsmoke36]

Xgamer how can you talk about software wise when microsoft has yet to show anything at all all you have is a hope and wish from countless xbox sites. Yes they are software giants and most of it is junk but games wise it is different and I for one would rather proof something shown instead of talk. I think that goes for Sony as well. Talking the fans to death accomplishes nothing show something.

[insomnium2]

A bit faster? I could swear the RAM in PS4 is more than a bit faster.

I just love your reply xgamer. That is one way to comment on a subject that hurts so that you can sleep better at night. Kinda make it seem like a draw or even lean a little towards xbone having the edge cause of teh clowdz in the long run....absolutely speechless....You sure have been a blind fanboy as long as I remember ever seeing your comments here.

[Sarcasm]

FACT

[TheXgamerLive]

Oh and btw, except for mgs zeros every other multiplatform title lOOks better on the Xbox One. Yes yes better resolution on PS4 but when compared side by side every XB1 has better lighting and smaller texture detail. You've ALL seen that. Digital Foundry even shows this in comparison videos. Yes the numbers PS4 advantage but visuals XB1 looks better. If your denyin your lyin.

[Major_Glitch]

Hmmm...your post reeks of "delusion" and "cognitive dissonance". I think I know what console you prefer to game on.
OT: It's kinda sad some people just can't accept reality. The PS4 is technically superior to the xbone, period. And NO amount of clouds or sauces is EVER going to change that fact. And the PS4 is cheaper too.

[johndoe11211]

word of advice, ignorance is NOT always bliss.

[shadowsmoke36]

you just proved your a true fan boy either that or you must be blind. You made your choice deal with it. Don't cry about some other platform when you should be playing your own now back to gaming for me something you no nothing about.

[dantesparda]

@xgamer

Wow, you actually believe that even though its not even remotely true. Wow!

[Narutone66]

Mister X, is that you?

[insomnium2]

Oh and btw I just realized that this subject is particularly touchy for you. What's that? No numbers to throw at Sony folks' faces? Covering behind "imo" and such? Poor guy. You used to be so powerfull last gen when you atleast had the media behind you with their propaganda but now? I feal sorry for you.

[press-start]

lool what ever weed your smoking STOP!!

[stragomccloud]

Actually, since both are such a widely used architecture(specifically off the shelf x86 mobile parts), we're not going to see much of a difference between early games and later games. That said, the games already look amazing.

[dantesparda]

Not true, they still need to fiure out all the intricacies of GCN and the whole APU architecture. X86 just means it'll be a bit easier for them to do that, and there are literally thousands, upon thousands of x86 extensions for them to play with and figure out

[lfc_4eva]

Yes it will be ahead in performance terms. But do you really play pixels, or do you actually play the game?

Hmmmm? Obvious answer ;-)

[Flutterby]

Sony is always ahead with games too so it's a double win for ps4 owners I guess.

[Mystogan]

Funny how I'm reading this just after Microsoft demoed the power of the cloud at BUILD.

It is very real. It was a demo that involved blowing up buildings. The game ran at 30fps when nothing was happening. One version of the game ran without cloud computing and one with. The one without cloud computing quickly dropped to 2 fps when the building started to blow up and the one with cloud computing kept extremely steady at 30fps with multiple buildings blowing up.

Cloud computing is the future of gaming believe it or not.

the demo will be uploaded to YouTube today.

[Majin-vegeta]

Sure it is and I;m going apple picking with Scooby doo.*Rolls eyes*.

http://i.imgur.com/NHjNH9l....

[johndoe11211]

I don't think you people will ever understand. Of course cloud computing will work excellently in console gaming IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. When you have a high bandwidth, dedicated connection to servers of course you can see the benefits, no one ever argued that cloud compute can't work. The issue is applying cloud compute to games TODAY with the internet being what it is around the world. No matter how good it works logically and how much you want to hype it it would not change the fact that implementing cloud compute now in games would be a terrible idea.

[MysticStrummer]

"Funny how I'm reading this just after Microsoft demoed the power of the cloud at BUILD."

How anyone could get excited about that demo, with as few details as were given, is truly beyond me. Sorry man, but XB1 won't be doing that kind of thing for years, if at all. Cloud gaming probably is the future, but this is the present and current internet speeds just won't allow that to happen. I guess consoles really are becoming more like PCs because you're thinking like a PC gamer, wanting devs to cater to a tiny part of the gaming population.

[assdan]

Exactly. People that argue the xbox one will look better over time are 100% correct about half the story. They're neglecting to mention that the ps4 will ALSO look better over time. That's how it's always worked. I don't understand why xbox people can't just accept that fact. Once they do, we'll stop seeing tons of articles about how every 3rd party game looks better on the ps4.

[Eddie20101]

@trufan1

As I chuck a donut at the point on your head. ES.

[Azzanation]

The problem with your understanding is you base power around hardware. Like an Engine with more Horse Power. Yes on paper the engine with more HP is going to be faster. However in this case where X1 has weaker Hardware there GPU has more benefits then the Sony's GPU. With the addition of DX12/DX3D12 exclusive to MS and Azure Cloud hanging around the corner. X1 GPU might all of a sudden have a super charger. You can talk litres and Horsepower all you want, at the end of the day your comparing paper specs which means nothing in a race.

Bigger is not better.

[Sci0n]

a super charge lol smh, your hopes in dreams will never come true because facts can't be bent or erased, accept it and move on.

[ThanatosDMC]

You missed the fact that DX12 techniques are old and are just catching up to what Naughty Dog has been doing a long time ago.

[Azzanation]

@SciOn and ThanatosDMC. Figure of speech. But that's ok no one is asking you to buy a X1 or care about the console if you don't plan on buying one. DX12 is an improvement and so is cloud and all these comparisons have been without any of the X1s proper features (DX12/Azure) including the 10% power to Kinect which they finally gave back 8% to the developers. Your choice. However if you want to believe what GPUs do on paper and limit your imagination there then go for it. DX12 will be better then what ever ND used before it. There a Sony company of course there going to be negative against it, because they cant use it, there stuck with DX11 and OpenGl 4.4.

[Dynasty2021]

The new consoles are based on PC architecture, with 10+ years of coding knowledge available to get the best out of the hardware right NOW.

I fail to see how the PS4 or Xbox One can get "better over time" when it's easier to develop for than the PS3 was, which DID require time to learn how to develop for.

Now, it's super "easy" for them.

Surely the only reason they would get "better" games in time is because they're deliberately hindering graphics and performance, so their sequels can "look better and be bigger".

Nobody wants a sequel that looks the same as the previous game.

[MrDreadnought]

Indeed, you can have all the cloud technology in the world, there's no surpassing complete hardware advantage.

[Docknoss]

Oddworld Devs have always been biased in favor with Sony. It's also only six months in and MS is a software company. DX12 will advance the Xbox within the next two years allot.

[Kayant]

"Actually that is NOT what he said. I spoke to Lorne afterwards and what he meant when speaking to that guy was that budgets, schedules and perceivable differences would narrow, NOT that the Xbox One performance is improving to align with PS4, that is just physically impossible. The PS4 has MORE COMPUTE units, and faster member and a whole bunch of things, that would make that physically impossible to happen."

Looks like the author of that piece was just trying to connect unneeded dots or was trying to past off misinformation.

Also to the author of this memory is spelt *member* :p.

[GarrusVakarian]

Haha, i noticed that too. I did a double take, i was like "he has a faster member? Lmao good for him!".

[kayoss]

Good for him, bad for her.

[rdgneoz3]

Reminds me of the family guy episode where Superman goes to hell because he killed a hooker after she made a crack about him being faster than a speeding bullet.

[stuna1]

So why the change of heart!? Clarification wasn't needed for one side of the fence! The other side....well that's a different story!

You can't fit 100 pounds into a sack that's designed to hold 50 pounds.

[Ron_Danger]

"You can't fit 100 pounds into a sack that's designed to hold 50 pounds."

True, but you can tell people you can and there will be a big group of people that believe it even though it's total BS.

[The Meerkat]

There was a Mythbusters episode about that recently.
http://www.discovery.com/tv...

And it is indeed true, 10 pounds of #### does not fit in a 5 pound bag.
(But its close)

[Eonjay]

I mean its not a change of heart. If you read the original TotalXbox article, they put some words in his mouth. We he did say is that the SDK has improved and not the development gap is closing. He also afirmed that he wasn't sure about a bigger title like Battlefield but for a smaller title like his, he didn't really have any issues with the hardware.

[stuna1]

Obvious there was a change of heart, because if not why not clarify it when it was said!? Instead close to a week has past since the initial statement and here on N4G the mis-information was allowed to flourish with people making outlandish statements and believing the unbelievable!

[Eonjay]

@stuna1

Because sometimes I think these guys get tired of having to clarify their points to deal with the agenda of these hit seeking publications. Case and point: IGN recently interviewed developer working on that space horror game coming to PC. Its is possibly being planned for PS4 but didn't mention the Xbox One.

Somehow IGN insinuated that it was a performance issue. After reaching out to the developer they explained that IGN had mislead people because they didn't tell anyone what questions were asked. IGN never asked them about Xbox One. Its a setup.

[dlocsta]

What change of heart would you be talking about. All this articles says is he talked to the guy and then he proceeds to tell us what the guy meant. He never quoted what the guy SAID. For all that I could say you were misunderstood and you meant the XB1 is actually more powerful. I didn't get a quote either. See how that works?

[Simco876]

I've seen some yoga pants on some females that beg to differ with that statement lol.

[GoPanthers999]

The exclusive software is the key differentiator. I own an X1, knowing the PS4 is more powerful. X1 is the Halo console and that is my favorite series, nuf said.

[combatcash]

I think the deciding factor will be price and performance of third party games for most people. I purchased a PS4 based on the lower price and knowing that 3rd party games would generally be equal or of better performance than xbox one. Exclusives are great don't get me wrong but we all know that AAA third party games are what people typically spend the most money on. On ps4 you get to experience those games while spending less on the console easy choice.

[bumnut]

The price difference is quite small now though, in the UK at least, can't really comment on other countries.

[ddkshah]

Destiny will replace halo, so while the xb community will split bwtn the 2 the ps community gets destiny plus a whole bunch of exclusives that actually differ from the rest of the 3rd party offerings.

[Hercules189]

Well the XB1 gets destiny, plus a bunch of different varieties also. We got Halo, Sunset Overdrive, QB, D4 and probably Forza Horizon 2, plus a ton of other game coming THIS year. It doesn't get much varied than that.

[giovonni]

I don't know why people are disagreeing, "The exclusive software is the key differentiator" was one of the top arguments of going with a certain system before, and with past history more powerful didn't equal the best bang… Let's examine shall we?

Nintendo Ent System. vs Sega Genesis and NEOGEO= Nintendo had the majority of the software, but Neogeo (Price point stopped it) and Genesis was the more powerful system but the NES was the killer. it wasn't until Sonic was introduced Sega hit it's stride.

XBOX, PS2, GAME CUBE… Do I really have to go into detail?

It's always been the system who offered the better exclusive content. Yes price points and power does matter at certain points, but those gaps are shorten as time progresses (NES/SEGA) (PS2/XBOX)
It has always been the exclusive content. case in point If Sony lost all it's exclusives to xbox One (yes all of them) and Xboxone was still 100 dollars more you mean to tell me people would still side with the ps4, and switch their stance by saying " it has the better performing muti platform games?" No!!!

[ThePope]

Your 100% right. Alas on N4G that matters not.

I love this conversation, because the only people still having it are the ones on these threads. If it was such a huge deal the X1 wouldn't sell at all, and the PS4 would be the only console available.

But that's not the case so who cares what the developer of Oddworld has to say. Well I suppose outside of the PS fanboys of course, who get off on this s***.

Content always wins. Period. Who will when that battle is anyones guess.

[Flutterby]

Well Pope the answer to your question about content and who will win us pretty easy to predict because it has been Sony every gen ps1 won Ps2 won ps3 won so I'm guessing ps4 will win and I guess by the sales gap most gamers know this.

[BlackTar187]

Go Panthers,

that is 100% fair and reasonable to pick a console.

I think if we were picking the most reasonable reason why this should be #1.

Pick your console based on the exclusives you enjoy the most and get along in life.

I own both consoles and i'll never regret it.
I'll get a wii-u for Luigi stuff sometime soon.

EDIT** Don't know why you're getting all the disagrees.

Sometimes i wish a disagree required a short 7 word explanation.

[christian hour]

N4G is a fickle mistress like that.

Theres the one sided console fanboys who will hate the competition regardless. They throw around terms like xbots and whatever sony fans are called.

Then theres single console owners who chose their console because of an exclusive franchise they're a major fan of (halo, uncharted, Gran Turismo, Forza, take yr pick), they'll either hate the competition the way a a sports fan would hate a neighbouring team, or they'll admire the games on a foreign platform and maybe borrow a friends for a while to play the games being missed out on

Then theres the multi console owner who may plan to own all consoles (and perhaps a beast gaming rig?) at some point, or may be fortunate enough to have already done so, because their favourite franchises are spread out among several platforms. I call these folks True Gamers (A true gamer trumps all, including PC MUSTARD RACE.)

Theres a couple of other sub groups etc but basically... If you're a true gamer, or someone who follows their favourite franchises regardless of system specs, on n4g you will bring upon the wrath of both sides of the fanboy war for being honest and not giving in to the hype, bringing you a butt load of disagrees.

Being on the fence around here is VERY dangerous, i've been called both a sony fan boy and a xbot... Until today I had zero consoles... so... That can be confusing :) I did have a ps3/360 for the majority of the last generation but regrettably had to sell them to pay hospital bills not too long ago

I just picked up my ps4 today :) No more going over to friends and comandeering their consoles for me :D

And, i would avoid saying this normally to not risk getting disagrees or losing bubbles, and as much as I disagree with MSFT's behaviour the last year or so towards gamers and loyal consumers, I will have to pick up an xbox one at some point in the future (year or two down the line maybe?).

I didnt play all those Halo games just to not find out where the chief ends up next, and I wont let MSFTs crappy policies ruin that on me :)

Also BlackTar187 I totally agree with agrees/disagrees requiring an explanation, something similar to the bubbles maybe :)

[BlackTar187]

Christian,

Thanks for the response sometimes it's mind boggling. What's their to disagree with about someone picking a console soley based on the games they want to play? It's absurd to think you would pick up a system for any other reason tbh.

Again thanks for the response and i hope whatever hospital bills you had to pay got paid and you and your Friends and family are healthy.

[christian hour]

Haha thanks for voicing your concern, full bill of health on my end as of 2 years ago :) Just took a long time to pay back the Dr's :P

[AceofStaves]

I agree with you. The exclusive software is the foundation for my console purchase decisions. Since I prefer PS exclusives, that's why I buy PS consoles. It has nothing to do with Xbox being 'worse' than PS. It just doesn't offer me the exclusive games I want to play, so I can't justify buying one.

[skeeter2275]

If anything I would have expected a performance gap to form later on in this console generation. Not right out of the gate. That doesn't seem to be something you can just 'catch up' with.

[ShowGun901]

if there were no gap now, there might be a small gap later... but the fact that theres a large gap now, means there will only be a much larger gap later... sure the x1 can push 1080/60, but the quality wont be there... i forsee the devs making the graphics similar all this gen, and keeping the x1 @ 720/30... its the easiest, least time consuming way to close the gap. no actual differenc in programming, just a different display setting.

[ThePope]

I would love to know, what you deem as "so large"?

I ask because while MGS looked better on PS4 only the hardcore can tell. Yes if you do a screen grab, blow it up to a huge size and alternate it quick enough between the two systems, yes you will see the difference. That does not indicate a large gap.

I beat MGS GZ on X1 on what's considered one of the best TV's ever made (Panny GT60) and it looked incredible, played amazing, and the experience could not have been improved in the SLIGHTEST by SLIGHTLY crisper graphics.

[chrissx]

Any1 who still doubts this today needs help

[candy_mafia]

Regardless of what some developers have stated, we all knew out the gate PS4 was ahead technically....

However, let's hope 'both' consoles are developed for to the highest standard, and the developers play to the strengths of each format.

'Quality Games' should be all that matters going forward :)

Edit

Wait! I'm getting disagree's for championing quality games on both formats???

Makes me LMAO!

[incendy35]

Isn't X1 already more powerful now? They have the only exclusive AAA game that runs at 1080p and 60fps. They also do true multitasking while pulling it off, which is crazy when you think about it.

[Imp0ssibl3]

Consoles don't get more powerful by magic; you can't upgrade the hardware with updates. The Xbox One will always be an underpowered system, no matter what upgrades its gonna get. It might become easier to develop for or easier to get more performance out of it, but it will never become "more powerful".

[incendy35]

So why does it do true multitasking while the PS4 does suspend/resume? Also why does the X1 have a 30GB/s BUS for parallel computing compared to the 10GB/s of the PS4? Computing on today's consoles isn't the way it is in the past. It is a combination of the GPU and the CPU, measuring CU's isn't black and white.

[tuglu_pati]

@ incendy35

It doesn't matter how you look at it PS4 will always be more powerful and that is a fact.

[candy_mafia]

@incendy35

'Isn't X1 already more powerful now? They have the only exclusive AAA game that runs at 1080p and 60fps'

Are you insinuating Forza 5? If I'm wrong, do you care to explain your comment?

You can check my post history (I'm PS4 user), but it seems to me that you're trolling (stealthily) Xbox One, when there is no need at all.

[barb_wire]

@Candy.. did you miss the /s off your comment? cause if not..

What?, Titanfall on the XBOne is 792p and doesn't get anywhere near to running at 60fps (and staying there)

*edit*

I see you amended your original comment Candy

[stuna1]

No, I think he's talking about Forza5! Which IMO is a bad example to begin with. Just looking at the sacrifices that had to be made to achieve the end product.

[Hercules189]

1080p and 60fps is the only acceptable options for a game to be considered next gen, according to a bunch of ppl on this site. So Killone shadowfall, Infamous, and probably Uncharted 4 aren't true next gen if were going by those standards. As for me I'm fine with 1080p and 30 stable fps.

[aerisbueller]

It's not more powerful, and it's not crazy when you think about it, either. I can run n64 games at 1080p/60fps on my phone. Does that mean my phone is more powerful than PS4? The better you make the graphics, the more power it takes to run, and so you have less frames per second and/or you have to lower the resolution. Forza runs at 1080p because it's just not that demanding of a game, and it shows in the graphics.

[hello12]

Explain that to Sony people might as well be talking to the wall.

Ryse was running at 900p and 30 frames a launch game and still considered by neutrals to be the best looking game on either console so far. Ryse was using a low level of Raytracing too. Less powerful than the PS4?

Forza still the only first party game on either console to hit 1080p and 60 frames. Driveclub couldn't do the same.

Directx12 full for xb1 of course the xb1 is less powerful.

xb1 has a number of undisclosed chips on the motherboard

XB1 has 8 gigs of Flash memory to help the OS. Microsoft hasn't fully disclosed why they needed this amount of flash memory yet.

[GarrusVakarian]

"Ryse was running at 900p and 30 frames a launch game and still considered by neutrals to be the best looking game on either console so far. Ryse was using a low level of Raytracing too. Less powerful than the PS4?"

Ryse runs at an average framerate of mid-high 20's and dips into the TEENS. Killzone SF also uses ray-trace lighting while running at 1080p between 30fps and 60fps in the singleplayer. Ryse has the best character models, by far, but it isn't the best overall looking game imo.

"Forza still the only first party game on either console to hit 1080p and 60 frames. Driveclub couldn't do the same"

What kind of argument is that? They are 2 completely different games in terms of graphical assets. If Driveclub looked exactly the same as Forza visually, but still ran at 30fps, then that would make sense to say the X1 is more powerful. But it doesn't. Forza 5 runs at 60fps 1080p because it received graphical downgrades.

Turn 10 chose 1080p 60fps with toned down effects/graphics.

Evolution chose 1080p 30fps with graphical features.

You can't just say a console is more powerful than another console because a game runs at 1080p 60fps, lol. What if Lococycle was the only game that ran at 1080p 60fps at launch? Would that make the X1 the most powerful? No, of course it wouldn't because there are many more factors other than res and framerate. Texture resolution, day/night cycle, particle effects, dynamic lighting, dynamic weather, DOF, LOD, volumetric smoke, POM, OA, decent AA.....etc etc. Any game can run at 1080p 60fps if enough graphical features are missing/toned down.

But whatever, people like you can carry on living in your delusional world believing that weaker hardware is more powerful, even when devs and the games themselves say otherwise. Crazy people. MisterXmedia is bad for your mental health.

[zerog]

There's no 8 gigs of flash in the x1, it has 8 gigs of ddr3 with 3 of those just for the os. There's also no undisclosed chips. Come on man, one of the 1st things to happen when a new high tech device comes out is tech experts tear them apart to see exactly what's in them and this has been done with all consoles. Also if you want to talk extra chips the ps4 was found to have an extra processor and pool of 256Mbs ddr3 for background tasks. But still there is nothing "secret" in any console, nerds with screwdrivers make sure of that. Besides E3 is around the corner, just wait.

[imt558]

What undisclosed chips? You talk like MisterX.

[DarXyde]

The XBOX One actually does suspend games. There's no such thing as "True multitasking" (yet?) because it's still forced to move memory around to execute tasks, one at a time.

[incendy35]

Games yes, but not apps. It does true multitasking with "multiple apps or apps and a game", unlike PS4. Pretty crazy they are pulling that off.

[DarXyde]

@incendy35

NO, that is still incorrect lol. I'm telling you it's not true multitasking. It's trivial to even argue this, but you are in fact wrong, my friend. To truly multi-task, the game must continue running without suspension when you're doing something else. That is, the game must still put out the same resolution, audio quality, activity, etc. while the console is doing something else which you can't even test without 2 or more displays. Again, not true multitasking if you cannot partake in both at once. NOTHING multitasks.

Computers don't even truly multitask because the processes rapidly oscillate between tasks and the difference is imperceptible to us (unless a processor is literally dedicated specifically to one, particular application--still not multitasking because it's using another processor). Unless it can run a game from the disc drive AND a digital game simultaneously with one game suffering quality drop, it isn't true multitasking. You would have to close one because they can't share resources. The same can be said for running 2+ video streaming services as well. It only actively attends to one at any given time.

What you're trying to suggest is XBOX One can switch processes quickly, but so can PS4. Honestly, both consoles can switch activity pretty fast, so it's a non-issue.

[Bzone24]

LOL. I think you are trying to redefine the word. If nothing multitasks then everyone on earth except for you are using the word wrong then. You can play a game and snap IE to browse the internet if you so choose or snap Skype and talk to a friend, most would consider that multitasking. Or at least consider it what us dummies think of multitasking being.

[DarXyde]

@BZone24

I'm particular about language for things like this. For the record, cognitive researchers would actually agree with me. :0)

Keep in mind though that my argument is the use of the term "true" multitasking. If I used them interchangeably, that's my bad. Not very different from immortality or bottomless pits really; those words are placeholders for concepts that realistically don't exist.

All that nonsense aside, I really don't see that being very different from PS4 at all. You don't "snap" with PS4, but you can run a game, suspend it to open Netflix, etc. Assuming you are in agreeance with incendy35, how exactly is that inferior to the XBOX One's snap function? Serious question, I don't own an XBOX One.

[mmc-007]

"X1 have a 30GB/s BUS for parallel computing compared to the 10GB/s of the PS4"
where the hell did you get that from?

[hello12]

Second hand information. He claims he never said that.

Interesting i find this on Twitter from 2013

Just Add Water's CEO Stewart Gilray - who is developing a mystery title for PlayStation 4 - revealed that ...

Oh he has some association with Sony oh i see what hes trying to do here.

[Snookies12]

Oh really? So, because a developer is developing a game for a certain console, he must have some allegiance to them? Is that what you're getting at?

[stuna1]

So now it's a conspiracy against Microsoft?? Because after all they're known for playing nice and all.

That same argument could be and was used against Microsoft last gen, only difference it was fairly accurate, with their parity clause. The thing this gen is many developers can actually say positive things about the PS4, because it's their input that made it what it is! A beast of a console.

[GarrusVakarian]

So now it's a conspiracy?

But it wasn't a conspiracy last week when the dev was interpreted as saying the performance gap will close?

Gotcha!

Man...the things you guys tell yourselves because you can't face facts.

[aerisbueller]

I hope with the changing of the guard at Microsoft these lies about parity and magical SDK updates that upgrade hardware will stop. I genuinely have fun in these console war arguments and discussions vs people who fall for it every time, but really, it's pretty messed up when you think about it. Not everyone knows enough about hardware to understand this, and there's been so many outright lies fed to them in the name of damage control and trying to boost the brand.

[cfc78]

There's no denying the ps4 is more powerful , microsoft needs to bring it with the games that's the only way they'll ever close the gap.

[WeAreLegion]

He NEVER said the gap was shrinking. He basically said people will forget all about the gap at some point. It won't be an issue anymore. He never mentioned power.

[jessupj]

As long as certain people keep downplaying the large gap, resolutiongate is always going to be an issue.

I personally would like us all to just accept facts, move on and focus on the games.

But I have a sad feeling denial will continue for this entire gen.

[WeAreLegion]

Same here. It would be nice if we could just ignore it. I had a PS3 last generation and couldn't care less that some multi-plats looked worse on PS3. None of them were so broken that they were much worse. Well, after Bayonetta was patched, anyway. Lol.

[candy_mafia]

@jessupj&WeAreLegion

I 100% agree, let's move on and look forward to awesomeness...

In all honesty, PS/XBOX fanboys are equally just as bad as each other IMO.

My BF is pro-Xbox and I'm pro-PS, but guess what? ...neither of us are anti-console.

If he was a rancid fanboy, I'd totally kick his butt to the curb, 'cos if you can be so asinine about a hobby, then you can be totally asinine about anything.

[Imalwaysright]

"As long as certain people keep downplaying the large gap, resolutiongate is always going to be an issue."

I don't give a crap about the gap just like I don't give a crap that my PC is twice as powerful as the next gen consoles. It won't stop me from getting a PS4 for TloU2 or GT7, a X1 for QB and I already have a Wii U for the usual suspects. I downplay the difference in power because I don't care about it. Imo you guys are putting to much weight on it so don't expect me to fall in line and play your "my penis is bigger than yours" games.

[pupa]

Quote:[Of course, this leaves us wondering if Xbox One will start getting 1080P@60FPS titles regularly anytime soon. What do you think?]

I think, no I know, that the PS4 will remain the powerhouse this gen unless M$ brings out a new SKU rectifying the hardware issues inherently build in the XBone hardware. There is just no way to beat around the bush, yet some will try and cling on every breath or small comment they can rip out of a whole interview to justify their hopes.

Do anyone in their right mind believe that by now IF there was something that COULD be done that M$ with all their might, money and power would not have done it by now?

Lets not be foolish. Sure you will see 1080p/60 on the XBone in future, but with what trade offs? Forza comes to mind (wink).

If the same game were to be made for both consoles and maximum performance were to be extracted from both SKU's without deliberately gimping the one or the other for parity then there can be just one outcome and the multiplats released already have proven that point up to now.

[Volkama]

Rectifying hardware issues? You make it sound like the One is broken just because the PS4 is more powerful.

RROD required rectifying hardware issues. 'A bit less powerful than a competitor' just requires a good business strategy.

[cruzngta]

Finally a dev has the balls to actually admit what smart people have known all along. I love my XB1 but I KNOW my PS4 is more powerful. I love them for what each does on their own. Hardware will not change - it is what it is.

[mogwaii]

A discernabely intelligent xbox one owner. I will eventually buy an xbone when it is cheap as it should be......i initially speak with my wallet.

[cruzngta]

and also no 'magical' sdk or dx12 update will change that. Be realistic and use common sense. PS4 has more processing power and faster memory as well as better memory. However this does not lower my appreciation of my XB1 - it is a beast in its own right and will rock this gen with some amazing games as well. I just can't stand people who have only one machine and defend it to the end to an unreasonable level. Not everything in life is equal - thats basically it. MS built a good system that will get better in time with software upgrades which they are known for doing and it will be enough to give us the games we want this gen. Sony went all out and built one hell of a system that will blow us away with some of their exclusives this gen because it has the power to do what the XB1 cannot at certain levels of graphical fidelity. More devs need to step up and clarify this as well so everyone can stop worrying when MS will unleash their ominous 'Secret Sauce' to make the XB1 graphically superior to the PS4.

[PaperMan]

The gap in hardware will always be there and PS4 will always be more powerful. But it still depends on how devs use it to make games. I prefer gameplay over graphics so I don't just want pretty games that are poor to play.

[MegaRay]

I second that.
That why I like infamous more than uncharted and tlou

[Mikethejew]

And i prefer both, so ps4

[JCOLE13195]

This is common sense in the eyes of people who aren't in denial. It's the cold hard truth. Hardware will always be the same... Number of tflops will always be the same etc. Both systems will improve in performance through hardware utilization, but that's about it really. Here's hoping to a generation filled with fantastic games across all platforms!

[corroios]

the problema here is that the PS4 will set the standard in graphic department. Xbox fans need to accept that and move along.

O course that xbox one will do 1080/60, but it will need to cut stuff out to run at that rez and frames.

Yes forza does that, but we all know what they did to get there and its a car game. Ryse is 900/20 game, nice hero, but the game was downgrade and still has too many problems and dips in frames. Dead rising is the same.

[HaydenJameSmith]

Im sorry but Ryse never sees 20 fps so dnt lie or exaggerate to make a point... eurogamer analysis of ryse showed it stayed between 28-30fps most of the time averaging 29 so dnt give me that 20fps bolox i hear from everyone... plus dead rising doesnt see alot of fps stutters either...

You can say PS4 is more problem but cant start lying XB1 capabilities...

[imt558]

Ryse has framerate drops to 16 fps. CHECK DF videos again, dude.

[HaydenJameSmith]

Whatever you say man...

http://gamingbolt.com/ryse-...

Quote:
Performance-wise, Ryse does great. The game isn’t even locked at 30 frames per second, but the frame rate barely dips or rises more than a few frames

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Quote:
Originally touted as a solid 30fps experience, Ryse misses the mark more often than we'd like with frame-rates often fluctuating between 26-28fps

And even if it had dropped down that low it wud have only been during the computer rendered scenes, so it wouldnt have effected playability at all... Its one of the most stable Crytek Games to date to be made on a console so its quite an accomplishment in itself... any lack of performance wud simply boil down to it being a luanch release game as developers wudnt have enough time to make it better.

[Nine_Thousaaandd]

The gap between PS4 and X1 will never disappear. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this...it's quite simple, PS4 has the raw power right out the gate. People keep repeating better software will close the gap, that's if Sony sits still...which they won't. I've seen Ryse and Forza in action, Ryse is using SMAAx1 @900p...inFAMOUS is using SMAAx2 @1080p. Forza achieved 1080/60fps by using no AA, flaws hidden by motion blur.

I'm NOT saying that Ryse and Forza are bad games, their solid AAA titles showing off the power of X1. But the gap is there, and inFAMOUS alone already show signs that the PS4 is ahead of X1. There will never be parity between X1 and PS4.

[marcofdeath]

And they still don't look as good as RYSE or FMS5..
inFAMOUS was down graded (lighting) to make it work.

[Nine_Thousaaandd]

"inFAMOUS was down graded (lighting) to make it work."

http://www.cinemablend.com/...
http://www.cinemablend.com/...
http://www.cinemablend.com/...

Yet...Both Killzone and inFAMOUS have more gameplay than Ryse. Ryse=5-7 hrs Killzone=10 hrs w/MP inFAMOUS=18-20 hrs of gameplay time. Easy to crank up graphics in character models when the rest of the game lacks resources in detail and gameplay.

Both Ryse and Forza use fog and blurred mechanics to cover up the flaws...try again!
http://i.imgur.com/AJS7VHe....

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The performance hardware gap cant change without actually changing hardware, but the ability for devs to better use the xbox one and results that are on par with other platforms.

[ocelot07]

Xbox fans should just accept this. It's not like XB1 titles are bad just not as good as they are on PS4. I have had a PS4 since launch and love the damn thing. Yesterday I bought a second hand day one edition Xbox One for £275 to use it for exclusives.

I only have 2 titles at the moment for it. FIFA 14 (also have on PS4) and Dead Rising 3. Both games look and play fine. I also have MGS on PS4. I lent my friends copy of MGS for XB1. There is a big difference between the two. But that is not to say the XB1 version looked awful. It looked great just not as good as the PS4 version.

[Bdub2000]

It won't disappear, the PS4 doesnt stand a chance at catching up to the X1 superiority.

[Mikethejew]

Bro, april fools was a few days ago

[Bdub2000]

Microsoft demonstrated the power of the cloud... That, my friend, is very close to a reality in my living room, and the great equalizer. When the ps4 loses its one and only advantage, then What? LOLOLOLOL.

[Bonerboy]

I'd bet 'Bdub' is a PS4 user posing as a young xbox kid, as no one could possibly spew rhetoric with such obvious fallacies. "...the great equalizer." ?! BAHAHAH that's gold right there. He has to be a PS4 kid. Oh man that's rich. A rather flame-baity kid at that.

[Mikethejew]

Im glad i used the gamestop trade in deal, got 450 for my xbone and got ps4 and infamous.

[josephayal]

that will never going to happen

[corvusmd]

I didn't read the original news post that they are referring to, but it seems neither of these "news" sources are actually conveying what he meant to say correctly (maybe they should actually post the whole interview instead of just the snippit they want to show). In fact, the "quote" isn't even the guy they interviewed, but a quote from the guy that interviewed the guy...such poor "reporting". I can't see a Developer saying that XB1 would PHYSICALLY close the performance gap with PS4...that's retarded...the hardware is the hardware. I CAN see them saying that through Drivers and such, devs saying that the end result performance gap will close (because several devs HAVE said this). PS4 will always be the more hardware powerful machine of the two...anyone saying otherwise is just plain fooling themselves.

It's just hard to trust a "news" source that says they have an interview with a guy, then only posts a few lines of a quote...then at the end of that speculates as to how he meant it. I wasn't there, so I don't know....but someone definitely needs to ask him again, but in a clearer fashion, there are WAY too many holes in the questions and answers.

(All this being said, maybe this last bit really IS what he means, who knows...it doesn't really matter. PS4 won't go above native 1080p/60fps and it's easy to believe that within a year XB1 will be doing the same, so in that sense the gap will be closed...again another "loophole" in the argument....the definition of "closing the gap" isn't clear)

[Izzy408]

Hmmm.. there's something fishy about this article.

[valet_Smerdyakov]

There was something fishy about the first one.

[S2Killinit]

Straight from the horses mouth. I hate to say i told you so, but... Well... I told you so.

[Bonerboy]

Watch out man! Haven't you heard? Xbox has the CLOUD! Pffft oh man, I cant even type that with a straight face.

Carry on PS4, nothing to see here.

[Sadist3]

So you all believe this because this guy says so? Are you guys really that gullible? Wow, grow a mind of your own and think for yourselves. Of course though, you're probably all children who believes everything anybody says

[Father__Merrin]

Merrin told them a long time ago that ps4 is simply more powerful. no amount of software or fanboyism will magically plug the gap

accept that Xbox1 will have great looking games, there's no need for any further debates its over

[micx]

That's unfortunate for Xbox One users, but it's not really unexpected.

[PsylentKiller]

The Xbox One is not going to win in the graphics department. Xbox has to win in other areas like Kinect and the cloud (I know how that sounds). The promise of the cloud and what it can do really needs to be demonstrated. It needs to be better than what Sony can provide.

If MS can show that a game like Destiny is better on Xbox because of what Azure is capable of, then they are right back in the fight with Sony. If their is minimal difference, then those with both systems will be picking up third party games for PS4. As far as choosing which console to buy, it comes down to the exclusives and where your friends are. It doesn't matter how powerful the PS4 is, if they don't have Halo, Halo fans are not going to buy a PS4 only. They will either get just the Xbox or they will get both.
Out of the ten Xbox one games I bought, three are multiplatform. Ghosts, BF4, and Rayman. For my PS4, I downloaded all the PS+ games that were free and bought Flower and Trine. The only AAA game I downloaded was AC4. The thing that is keeping me from buying more games for the PS4 is my friends and I like the feel of the Xbox controller better. However, I do like the functionality of the trackpad and the graphics of multiplats are easily seen to be better on the PS4.
But like I said, and what I believe others to be doing as well, people will go where their friends are and where their games are.

[Zool 08]

The message is that there are no "knowns." There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know

[tyler01durden77]

@PS3and$_HAS_GAMES

This Xbox One owner did recently buy a PS4 and found himself a little disappointed. I'm sure I'll get into it down the line. But now I own both, I find myself preferring the Xbox.

But really, it's all apples and oranges.

[Illusive_Man]

Xbox One doesn't need to outright beat PS4 in performance it just needs to get close, and I honestly believe it will. PS4 development tools, API, and ease of development were already leaps ahead of the XB1 at launch. I think the games on PS4 are getting more out of PS4 right now because the tools to get the power out were already good. XB1 tools were not that great point blank, but the performance was not that far off. Basically I think the X1 has more room for improvement with better tools and optimization for its architecture.

[purp13m0nk3y]

You have a point that the Xbox1 Software (drivers, sdk, API) was unfinished at launch.

But that means little when the Xbox1 hardware is still much weaker than the PS4.

No matter how well optimised the Xbox1 software becomes, on a hardware level it still can't compare to the PS4.

[mysteryraz11]

what they mean is while the xbox ones performance will improve, the ps4s will also improve its not like the ps4 wont get better, it will just like xbox one

[Peternorth]

This generation is full of bandwagon fanboys talkin trash about stuff they no nothing about. The ones trashing xbox are the same people bashing ps last gen it's quite sad actually the insecurity of some people. This fanboy bs is gonna be the downfall of gaming period. All three of the systems are great in there own way but some people fail to see the forest for all the trees

[purp13m0nk3y]

Pretty much common sense really.

Did anyone (rabid fanboys excluded) really believe the Xbox1 would ever match the PS4 performance wise? It just makes no sense.

Hardware is hardware. Nuf said.

[Predaking77]

At this point some people have to stop believing in magically hardware miracles. The PS4 is clearly more superior and that won't change with any software. Is time to move on.

[SpecialK]

Not as interesting this gen that's for sure.

last time round it was much more even, there could actually be a debate. This time round its fact now.

Who knows maybe the cloud will kick in and there will actually be some competition =p

[purp13m0nk3y]

But "Cloud Computing" is in no way exclusive MS tech.

Anything the Xbox1 can do with "Da Cloudz" SONY can also do on the PS4.

So any advantage that Cloud Computing will offer is rendered moot. Any platform (PC, WiiU, hell even Mobile Phones) can potentially enjoy the same benefits.

Another factor that people haven't really focused on is GPGPU compute capabilities. We are seeing more and more devs utilizing this tech. Sucker Punch just recently detailed how they were able to do many CPU centric tasks via GPGPU compute with excellent results.

Not only does GPGPU have the potential to fee up a lot of CPU processing for other tasks, it also allows for far more efficient GPU loading. Having the GPU running at close to 100% load, instead of wasting the unused cycles in each frame.

The PS4 is heavily geared towards GPGPU compute. And vastly more capable than the Xbox1 in this regard. Might not make too much different at the moment. But in the future GPGPU compute will become pretty much industry standard for game development. Look at all the new PC GPU's coming out in the future. They all have a big focus on GPGPU compute. This is yet another area that the Xbox1 will struggle in the future.

[Psychotica]

If it were true my old Atari 2600 would catch up eventually..

[airforcex]

PS3 vs 360; 360. 90% of the games performed better on 360. Can't compare systems based on the 10 games that looked awesome on PS3. MS won.
PS4 vs One. Clearly a superior system on Sony's side. When the GPU's are made by the same company, there's no debate. PS4 is superior. Everything else being the same, PS4 wins everyday! Sony won!
The debte is over. Most of my One friends like it for other reasons; they know PS4 graphics are better. I went with the FOUR. Sony will take 60% of the market, and MS will still make money. Everyone wins. Move on.

[Ch1d0r1]

I think Nintendo and MS will be fighting for that second spot, specially when the core nintendo games are out. For example Zelda.

[dddooozzz9]

Talking is always easier than doing.

[mogwaii]

The only way the xbone will ever narrow the gap is if microssoftcock pay off devs for parity.

[anesthesique]

Too many fanboys from both sides, still fighting over who has more inches down there. Christ, just enjoy your console and let the guy next to you enjoy the one he bought.

If half the effort that goes into flame wars and nerd raging was directed into actually demanding games with less glitches, more content and more innovative we wouldn't even have to worry about what systems we'd play on.

[redfire_bt]

Even if PS4 was inferior to XBONE in a hypothetical world, I would still go for PS4 because of Naughty Dog...

[Bonerboy]

I still don't understand why more people simply dont build themselves a nice PC and be done with all this pointless console bickering. It really doesn't lead to anything. Nothing is accomplished. Delicate feelings are hurt, very hurt by the look of things here. Things are said that can't be taken back. Nobody 'wins' in this endless frivolous cycle....Nobody.

You're wasting your money. Well, maybe not so much the ps4 kids, but the xbox kids are definitely wasting theirs and will fight tooth and nail to continue to do so because they have committed.

It's about time you all put down your controllers and picked up a good book.

[sgtGanGreen]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I didn't believe first article so I dont believe this one to. Actually I don't believe any of this articles on N4G because they are all bunch of lies and full of s*it

[saimcheeda]

Its finally out in the open!

[marcofdeath]

Lukas_Japonicus

FMS5 as well as RYSE are the best looking games this gen so far, and they are lunch games.. Driver Club was never in the same class as these games, that's why it's not out now 6 mouths later.

Ryse was rushed out and it still the highest water mark for this gen. Yes, the only game that is 1080p 60fps is on XB1, down grade as apposed to what Driver Club? or did Turn 10 run out of time? Just think, you don't, but Ryse 2 + FMS6 will be even better next time around. Oh $hit MS all ready said HALO 5 will be 1080p 60fps, E3 here i come.

By the way this story is BS "------CEO Stewart Gilray------------" said what he didn't, say anything,
that called her say..............

[greenking45]

i really want a ps4 but i'll probably be forced to buy a xone as well to play any top exclusive games they get.

[Goku781]

Playstation is is the lead system in more ways than one.

[grmbl]

Bah, the cloud. I fkn h8 it! (and I'm a professional IT-guy)

[humage605]

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

[FanboyKilla]

Hardware hardware lol. Does hardware with horrible software trump hardware with the some of the best software in the world? Lmfao you are talking about numbers in a box. It doesnt translate into anything but numbers in a box. This is for sony fans egos. We are almost half way through our first year with the new gen, and sony and their fans still screaming this more power trip. I get it you dont have anything else at this point to hang your hat on. Sad thing is, sony fans are repeating what they were told. I dont see any honest sony fans saying "if it is so powerful why cant i see it? Will i ever be able to see it? You should be blowing xbox one out the water buuuut.." Why is sony still talking about how it is so much better than xbox, instead of games? Lets talk about what is disappearing, your employees and games. We all know you have no hope in winning the software battle. And with the next gen systems out, we need software not numbers on your hardware. This is where ignorance persists. Because now you cant sell me on your hardware when your software sucks. What good is hardware without software? Ask a ps4 owner and theyll tell you.

[Tresyn10]

I've been reading the comments FACTS and opinionated biased comments and I just wanna say I love my ps4 lol, is that okay to say on here? I'm new to the comment based section of this website although I do visit often to see what other gamers think.

[Tresyn10]

I love my ps4 ps3 and vita, way to go Sony
Lol I'm new here

[Tresyn10]

3 pages of argumentive nonsense is pointless just wait it out guys, go with what makes you happy, me, Sony my cousin, Xbox one.

[KinjoTakemura]

The Xbox one will never be capable of narrowing the performance gap with the ps4 simply because the Xbox one does not have the hardware.

XBOX One GPU - 12 compute units running at 853 MHz providing an estimated peak theoretical power of 1.31 TFLOPS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

PS4 GPU - 18 compute units that produces a theoretical peak performance of 1.84 TFLOPS

This processing power can be used for graphics, physics simulation, or a combination of the two, or any other tasks suited for general purpose compute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

The only way the Xbox one will ever match or out perform the PS4's capabilities is for Microsoft to send each Xbox 1 owner a new GPU. Clouds and software will never enable the Xbox one to render mind bending light shows, life like textures, and realistic physics simultaneously because the 12 GPU's aren't capable of doing it.