PS4 Has 1,000 Indie Devs Signed On To Make Games, Xbox One Only Has 250

Over the next year the PlayStation 4 will receive 100 games. Those 100 games are basically guaranteed to launch in 2014. This was made clear in 2013 during Sony's E3 press conference. Even more than that, the future of the PlayStation brand is in good hands, as Sony has secured the services of more than 1,000 independent developers.

[buzzkiller6142]

its going to be about the quality at the end of the day. good number for sony anyways.

One of the difference between the two self publishing programs is the application process between the two. MS has to be careful who they offer their program to since they are giving each dev free dev kits and a unity licence

[Ashlen]

Unity is free.

[buzzkiller6142]

unity pro is not free, it costs $1,500

[pedrof93]

Remember when MS said that every X1 was a dev kit ?

Ok, guess what ? NOT.

[morganfell]

Free PS4 Dev kits:

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Add to this Morpheus.

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

I said before Truefan above that E3 was going to be a bloodbath. I used those very words a few days ago. It will be. And Sony will be the last one standing. It isn't my kind of game but be prepared to see Respawn on the Sony stage.

[alexkoepp]

Nice, 1250 games in development that I couldn't care less about

[chrismichaels04]

Like i said earlier, I love how the same people complaining about the strong indie support on PS4 were the same people bragging about XBL arcades on the 360. Either way, Im glad to see so many indie studios and big name developers showing so much support and respect for the PS4. Ill think of this next time I hear someone say "PS4 has no games".

[MorePowerOfGreen]

Yet MSFT has shown they have real games being made vs boasting about having support.

Can somebody link me videos of atleast 6 new PS4 indie games that are coming out?

[Godmars290]

@pedrof93:
Is every XB1 currently a dev kit though? When is that suppose to happen?

Why if its happened already does MS have such a small pool of devs?

@MorePowerOfGreen:
What real games versus the ones Sony has already shown?

And:
http://www.ign.com/wikis/pl...

[Prime157]

Morepowerofgreen, just go to the official PlayStation YouTube channel. I'm not holding your hand through your ignorance and stupidity.

There has been 1-2 indie games releasing each week for the last 2 months. Cheap, GOOD games.

The fools on here who don't know what AAA vs indie actually mean. AAA is just a sales forecast, nothing to do with quality.

[UltimateMaster]

"its going to be about the quality at the end of the day."

Uhh... PS4 has all of the indie devs that Xbox One has, plus 3 times more other devs.

We're talking indies. Yeah, numbers count.
"Let's go beyond the resolution debate or quality.." You have more choice on the PS4, it's that simple.

You're not counting the multi-platform indies that are going to be on all platforms.

[gigoran]

@godmars290
MS officially said before the xbone launch that EVERY xbone would be able to be developer kits. That EVERY owner would be able to make their own games.

Do some research and google. You will see what was said is true.

So MS lied. Simple. Can't argue against it.

[Kryptix]

As long as the indie games are categorized effectively, sorting the top rated games to be put first on the list...then, I welcome the 1,000 developers plus more.

Never say there's no indie game worth your money on consoles because last gen proved otherwise. It's not like indie games were equivalent to the 60 dollar price tag. Much, much less than that.

And it's something called, having more options. You'll have a higher chance finding a game you'll really like when the market is bigger as long as it's sorted very well. A "Top 10 indies of the month" chart would be nice, digging out the diamonds out of the dirt.

And the Xbox fanboy "quality over quantity" argument is illogical and flawed. 250 developers will someday be 500 then 1,000 so what will be said then? I doubt MS has quality control as there are plans to turn every Xbox One into a developer's kit meaning that anyone will be able to upload a game, let it be good or awful. Unless they stepped out of that plan, wouldn't be surprised.

[Lucreto]

I don't think they are going to be careful as don't forget each console will become a dev kit and the flood gates of clones will emerge.

[Jazz4108]

Ms just mentioned this last week. They still plan on every console to be made a dev kit and its coded that way since launch but obviously they need to have limitations and that program according to ms is being worked on while we speak. For devs that are just starting out ms is flat out the better deal as they help the dev with all the equipment and in some cases like last gen will provide money to get it off the ground. I really do hope ms picks quality over quanity as 360 has way to many games in the indy section and that does not include xbox arcade which is seperate.

[Blaze929]

This could be a good thing for Microsoft. On the Xbox 360 there are over THREE THOUSAND indie titles sitting there and just keeps gaining number everyday:

http://marketplace.xbox.com...

you cant find ANYTHING worth value in there - no one wants to shift through all that.

So while Sony has the higher number, I'm supporting Microsoft's stricter terms. Because again, as an Xbox user from Xbox 360 - we don't want that vast numbers of indies flooding the marketplace again.

[sinspirit]

Being less reasonable is different from being more "strict".

Seriously. Lococycle?

[-EvoAnubis-]

I think the indies on the 360 gave you the wrong idea about what indie games are like. Games in the indie section on the 360 were EXTREMELY limited. By way of a for instance, file size was limited to 50MB, and they were completely unregulated. MS's version of indie games was basically a poor man's App Store, and that's NOT what the high quality indie developers are about, and that for damn sure isn't what Sony is doing here.

If you want to see what real high quality indie games are like, check out games like Rogue Legacy, Amnesia, Outlast, and The Stanley Parable.

Trust me, man; there's a lot more to indies than what the 360 has led you to believe.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Let me explain even further. You've shown what the indie games section on the XBL Marketplace is like. Now let me show you what the indie section of the PlayStation Store is like:

https://store.sonyentertain...

As you can see, there's not nearly as many as what's on the Marketplace, but the quality is MUCH higher because it's regulated.

[Prime157]

I'm sorry you think those are the same as what we're talking about...

PlayStation 3 had games like that too, and called them minis. Heh, but your ignorance is cute after linking that.

[jetlian]

The indie tab on 360 was just for under 4 dollar games. Xbla was for 5-20 dollar games! Anyway MS getting super time force in june.

360 had better indie games last gen but sony trying this time

[DigitalRaptor]

I'm sorry, that you are ignorant to what indie games are or can be. It's not your fault at all, you are just a victim of circumstance, and deserve to be educated.

-EvoAnubis- basically showed you how it's done. Microsoft's indie game category has led you to believe that poor unregulated games is where the standard for independent development lies. The link you posted is basically a list of games that may as well be mobile phone game apps (the graphics and file size limit of 50MB). Is this really where Xbox gamers get their source of indie games from? Jesus.

PS4's indie games are absolutely NOTHING like that list of unregulated garbage. The closest that has come to that level are the PlayStation Minis - http://www.pspminis.com/lis... - there were only about 350 of these, and they have certainly gone through more QA testing than these 3000 indie games on the 360.

Sony regulates everything that comes through them. They are just more open to developers who have good ideas to contribute to this industry. And let's not pretend that Sony doesn't make gamers well aware of what each of these games are like through channels like their Blog or Youtube channels. You have plenty of opportunity to pay attention to which games you think are worthy of your money.

Microsoft will have stricter terms, yet they let absolute garbage like Lococycle and Crimson Dragon through? Please just end this selected logic.

[wsoutlaw87]

You seem to be under the impression that ms has less games because of some quality standards which is not the case at all.
By the way, the term is "sift through" not shift through.

[Kryptix]

"you cant find ANYTHING worth value in there - no one wants to shift through all that."

That's why you sort it by "Top Rated" and see what most people enjoyed. I played Dead Pixel with a friend, that was an amazing zombie game. I played Total Miner before Minecraft was confirmed for 360 and that helped fill that type of game on the console for a while.

The problem is that you have a very narrow view of what an indie game is because MS were strict with that marketplace and set limits. What I truly find funny is that 250 will, in a few years, be 1,000+ so yea, that argument of quality over quantity cannot be valid in this case.

What your defending is not true because there is no quality control on MS's part. Do you remember MS wanted/wants every Xbox One to be a dev kit? Do you really think they'll supervise every single game to see if it doesn't have game breaking flaws? I doubt that...

Your support has no meaning, just fanboyism making the choice for you if you accept that the only strict thing MS is doing to indies is the launch parity clause.

[imt558]

Xbone fans are unbelievable. Suddenly their math is 250 indies are bettet than PS4's 1000. Quality vs. Quantity. What a stuuuuuupid theory. Infact, 98% of those 250 developers signed for PS4 anyway.

Xbone fans, just accept that PS4 is better console. Neither DX12, neither cloud won't save Xbone. Deal with it!!!

[scotmacb]

I just don't like playstation games i prefer xbox games

[kickerz]

How about we see how good these games actually are before we all start beating our chests.

[HacSawJimThugin]

I don't like Dual Shock controllers IMO they are the worst controllers ever made behind the Original Xbox controller. If I could plug a 360 or X1 controller into a PS I'd give it a go. The fun and experience I am having with my X1 trumps your stronger hardware talk. I have no desire at all to own a PS that is all.

[Rivitur]

You can connect the Xbone control to the PS4 its a little USB contraption that goes for about 60$ on the internet

[otherZinc]

I most certainly didn't spend 4 & $500 on a next generation console for some damn Indie Games.

What about the AAA Games???

[showtimefolks]

its funny how indies were the big thing when they were on xbox arcade(xbox360) but now they a lot of them went with sony/ps4 now all of the sudden indies are over rated and you couldn't care less

very nice

[Retroman]

1,000 indies games???? after researching not one indie developer make FPS open world games. is RPG,SHOOTERS,BEAT 'EM UPS, SIDE SCROLLING games making a come back??

is that the ticket?? old school type gaming coming back??
if true all things in life do recycle including video games.

[BallsEye]

Exactly, and anyway....I hate those number talks, I only care about games that are OUT NOW. Sony was saying how many more games it will have on launch window than xbox...ended up only with killzone (not caring about knack) and SS just recently while I have already a quite large library on my XO.

I wanna see games released, really good games.

[CYCLEGAMER]

This is very good news…..I did not buy an xbox one for Indies, I want games that push the console to its limits. I feel the same about the nintendo and playstation when I get them.

Indies are fun sometimes but not high on my gaming priority list.

[DanteVFenris666]

Outlast was one of the best games this year and it was indie. Ps4 is also getting daylight. The best horror are indie. Some aren't great but there is a lot of indie gems that can compete with these triple A titles

[Concertoine]

Indie horror is the best, compared to what? Dead Space?
Vast majority of indie horror is nothing more than jumpscare fodder made for people like Pewdiepie to shriek to so those devs can make bank off the exposure youtube personas give them.
Its not fair to say indie horror is the best when the last true survival horror game from a big developer was maybe Condemned in 2005? Maybe Fatal Frame 4 if you count it.
Outlast and Amnesia are among the exceptions, of which there are few.

[aerisbueller]

"This is very good news…..I did not buy an xbox one for Indies"
implying that having more indie games available for your console somehow prevents you from only buying games that push the console to it's limits

"I want games that push the console to its limits"
You should have probably picked the console that has the higher limits then

[quenomamen]

Yea, I hate having the choice to play many types of games and am satisfied with sub 1080p games for the most part.

[FriedGoat]

Aerisbueller

Its actually going to be harder to push the limits of a console with higher limits no?

[sinspirit]

@FriedGoat

But, the PS4 does have more development teams working with it to achieve that, and the development tools are better.

[aerisbueller]

FriedGoat
No, it usually doesn't work that way, at least not for machines in the same league as eachother. In this case because of the clunky ESRAM design, XBoxOne is harder to push to it's limits than ps4

[Xsilver]

Titanfall 792p with framrate that drops below 30 fps. Limit Reached

[supes_24]

Lol!

[isa_scout]

Funny that I didn't notice what with all the fun I've been having playing TitanFall.
All this bickering between console owners is childish...Remember when a good game was a good game no matter what, and people didn't argue over miniscule differences like FPS and resolution? God I miss those days.
I bet that all the Playstation 4 gamers(myself included as I own both)wont mind a bit when TitanFall 2 lands on the PS4.

[Xsilver]

@isa_scout
Good for you buddy boy But aren't we talking about games that are pushing limits :/ so what your saying is just off topic Boy Bye.

[isa_scout]

If you truly think that is the limit of what the Xbox One is capable of then you're nuts. The PS4 hasn't reach it's limits and neither has the One. Both consoles will mature over time as developers figure out the hardware capabilities...
By the way, what I said was no more off topic than your initial comment. If you are incapable of having a mature adult conversation then I suggest you sit down and let the grown ups talk. I was a "Boy" when I was your age.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I'm not sure what game your talking about because I never have these issues on titanfall. In fact I'm willing to be you don't even own titanfall. I'd go even further and say you don't have an X1. I'm basing this on the fact that not a single person who I've played titanfall with has complained about the crap your saying. No go enjoy KZ with its 1k players online lol...

[Xsilver]

@isa_scout
". The PS4 hasn't reach it's limits and neither has the One. Both consoles will mature over time as developers figure out the hardware capabilities... "

I love this comment sooooooooooooo much Xbox has been making improvements even before the console launched then they Dropped the SDK and everything But Titanfall still only hit 792p and still couldn't hold 60 fps even tho it's basically a last gen game whereas the PS4 hasn't even made one hardware improvement and their games are outperforming the Xone now imagine when they start those improvements, let's act like we don't know which console is closer to it's limits Boy Bye.

@BLK
"I'm not sure what game your talking about because I never have these issues on titanfall."

So because you didn't notice it, it doesn't exist well you better go let Digital Foundry Know.

"No go enjoy KZ with its 1k players online lol..."

ok :/.

[GTgamer]

"I'm basing this on the fact that not a single person who I've played titanfall with has complained about the crap your saying"

Lying to yourself will get you no where(•ิ_•ิ).

[r2oB]

@ blkxseptember

What difference does it make if there are 1,000 or 1,000,000 players online when you can only play with 11 (6v6) at a time? Do you really think you are going to cycle through and play all those millions of other gamers?

[n4rc]

So a game like GTA 5 that's using hardware worse then my current cell phone, suddenly were peaking at month 4..

What a joke.. Too many trolls on n4g.. Or the biggest collection of ignorance and arrogance Lol.. Either or

[ShowGun901]

LOL my console has less options, thats great!

seriously, more options are always better! isn't that the xbones rallying cry around the kinect?

if only half of sonys indie devs produce killer games, thats still twice as many as on the xbone... im not really sure how that becomes a positive note on the back of the xbones box...

Half as many great games!

[Blaze929]

http://marketplace.xbox.com...

3,000+ indie titles right now - that's "ok" to you? Hmm, whatever floats your boat...or search bar rather.

[scott182]

So what did you upgrade to next gen for? Upgraded resolution and graphics? Sony has that in the bag. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
I thought people have been pushing "play the games not the resolution" this whole time anyways. So that particular quote doesn't work if it doesn't match the current agenda? Some of the most fun I have had with gaming have been with indie games.

[-Foxtrot]

It's funny because at one time Microsoft was all for Indies then roughly the same time Kinect came along and Microsoft started to go downhill with the Xbox 360 they just went weird on them.

Now it seems they are playing catch up because they know they need to make the effort again.

[CYCLEGAMER]

Maybe they realized that people like indies but they aren't THAT big of a deal. I honestly feel like the only reason they are such a big deal now is because Sony is using them as a scapegoat for not having as many AAA games to show right now.

[MightyNoX]

Watch Jimquisition's video "Why ps4 is kicking---". Indies are not system sellers, he says, but are GREAT system justifiers. Whilst MS has blown its load too early with Titanfall and has nothing from here on out till August, PS4's steady stream of indies and PS+ games will keep us entertained between AAA releases.

[iamnsuperman]

indies are so important since the second tier game market crashed and burned. The problem is these big AAA games that cost $60 dominate the market which means new ips or second tier games don't really get a foot in and so don't sell. What has happened is the amount of games (different games) being produced is smaller than it use to be. Also release windows are pushed to key dates in the calendar for these big blockbuster titles so we get these huge void of nothing being release for a lot of the year

This is where indies fill in the gap. They are cheap and often try new things (because they have too to stand out). These games make people believe they are getting good value for money with their new system as there not really spending a huge amount on top of the system. These people only buy(and in a way have only bought) four or five big titles because at $60 a pop it is just too expensive. Indies are a big deal

[xhi4]

@MelMan26 - I've got to say, some of my favourite experiences on consoles of recent have been indie games. THey're great because there are so many quality ones and they are incredible inbetween the huge games and many times give me more enjoyment/experience and emotion than the big guns.

Limbo, Journey & Guacamelee to name a few.

[supes_24]

Melman, I keep hearing the "lack of AAA titles" excuse but tell me how that differs from the One.

[n4rc]

That importance is pretty weak right now..

There are too many big name games then I can play on x1.. Ryse, forza, dr3, bf4, rayman or titanfall.. Have watch dogs, ea ufc, destiny etc all on the horizon.

There is no need to resort to indie games to fill gaps that don't exist..

If you like them, buy them.. If you don't, then don't.. Their sales show their true popularity.. Making them seem more important then they are is a futile effort imo

[H3ADWOUND81]

That makes perfect sense tho doesn't it? Microsoft at one time was all for indies, gave it a try, realised it wasn't as lucrative as predicted.. Went sour on indies, concentrated more on big budget AAA's... Classic MS.. Powered by greed, whatever the cost.. Seems now tho it's kinda backfired... Wa wa wa waaaa...

[n4rc]

Ya.. businesses aren't supposed to care about making money..

:/

[ElementX]

I like indie games but there are way too many of them with retro graphics and old style gameplay. I know there are fans of old school games however the market is being flooded by them currently and I hope I don't have to dig through tons of crap to find good games on PSN and Live. I wonder how many of the 1000 are working on retro titles?

[ElementX]

Also, I highly recommend you buy them on PC if you have a semi-decent machine. They're much cheaper on steam, greenmangaming, gamersgate, amazon, etc. Many of the upcoming console indies are already available on PC as well.

[Gozer]

250 indies working on games for the X1 is more than the 360 had throughout its entire lifetime, and you sound like you know how cluttered the 360s marketplace was with shovelware. 1,000 for the ps4 is going to be an utter sh**storm of shovelware games.

[ElementX]

No I don't know how it is however I buy a lot of indies on Steam and just look at the submissions for Greenlight and the games on Desura. They are mostly crap

[coolguy123]

I mean if you owned a PS4 youd see that indie games has its own section in the PS store. Its not gonna be some big clutter of games flooding the store.

[desertpunk86]

guys!guys! can i be part of the cool gang i hate xbox too i praise sony with their unstoppable power everyone supports sony because they know what their doing with layoffs and key people leaving is all amazing in sonys world.

[Bobets]

LOL? mentioning layoffs again and to a topic that has nothing to do with it....

WOW you low life xfans are gonna keep holding on to that layoff argument all the way till the end of this gen because you really aint got nothing else to throw in any argument.

Its a sad 8+ years this generation for you guys. XD

[saint_seya]

The only cool gang you can join with those comments, its the troll gang.

[WeAreLegion]

Tunnel Snakes rule!

[T2]

Here is a classic troll. Layoffs affect people's families and lives, but hey any ammo to smear the gaming console you didn't buy right?
Meanwhile can I join your pathetic "we all hate all games but AAA club"?

[Kavorklestein]

I want you to re-read what you just wrote...
"But Hey, ANY ammo to smear the gaming console you DIDN'T buy"... I never caught the essence of exactly what it is Sonyboys do, and was able to verbalize it without sounding dick-ish, but now, I don't have to struggle...
I think all the Sony Defense Force take that AMMO-smearing rule VERY much to heart.
Thanx for solving all life's problems.

[madpuppy]

I think of it this way, At least Sony hasn't closed any of those developer studios. Ms hasn't let anyone go recently, because they closed most of their first party studios at the end of the last generation.

[kenshiro100]

You guys running out of ammunition or something? What do layoffs have to do with the article?

Is Sony the only company where layoffs have occurred...?

Pretty sure there's other companies out there...but yeah let's just focus on Sony right?

Lmao@ and unstoppable power. Man, you guys are hilarious. /s

[SourShoes]

Haha, Maria you devil you! Anyways, the more devs the better I say. The next ND might be one those indie devs.

[True_Samurai]

And out of those thousands only a few of them will be a gem. Xbl indie section is a pure example only a few of those were worth it. some of those indie developers tried to copy the success of others by making rehashes. Not unless they go the xbl arcade route and separate the gems and Indie section into their own section

[MasterCornholio]

Think about it this way.

If people assume 90% Indie games are crap.

Then 10% are worth buying.

Looking at these numbers and assuming each developer produces one game.

Xbox One: 250 * 10% = 25 Indie games worth buying

PS4: 1000 * 10% = 100 Indie games worth buying.

So in the end just due to the sheer quantity of developers the PS4 will have more quality Indie games than the Xbox One.

[supes_24]

Two people disagreeing don't know math.

[quenomamen]

Yea um, we're not big fans of that whole " math " thing round here and don't appreaciate you using it to to make our opinions less valid, thank youuuuu !

[bessy67]

So Xbox One has 250 games coming that I might actually buy 4-5 of while PS4 has 1000 games coming that I might actually buy 4-5 of.

[T2]

Yes because it's likely out of a number 4 times bigger you will end up with the same payout.

[Battlefieldlover]

Is the concept of 250 VS 1000 Really that hard to grasp? Why on earth would you assume that if you would buy 4 or 5 X1 indie games with a pool of 250 that you would be interested in more with a pool of 1000?

Edit *wouldn't*

[bleedsoe9mm]

the psn store and the xb store are going to be unnavigable with garbage titles , hope the find a way to curate the good games so they don't get missed .

[RugbyGod]

I didn't spend over $1000 bucks for both consoles to play indies...I want cutting edge AAA for my living room.

[MasterCornholio]

Whats stopping you from buying WatchDogs, Destiny, The Witcher 3 and other AAA titles?

Dont tell me its because your spending all your cash on Indie games. You really should spend that money on AAA games if thats what your really interested in.

All im saying is that both consoles have AAA games coming to them. If your buying Indies instead of those games then you have only yourself to blame.

[MidnytRain]

"Whats stopping you from buying WatchDogs, Destiny, The Witcher 3 and other AAA titles?"

They're not out yet.

[ShowGun901]

@ MidnytRain

pre-orders say hi.

[xx4xx]

There is a little bit of difference between ordering a game and actually playing it....duh.

[MidnytRain]

Why does it matter? You can't actually play them.

[Orange Juice]

It takes time to make true aaa. Once sony starts pumping those out on top of all these indies, you will have more to choose from than you can imagine. If you cant see that then you should quit gaming.

[quenomamen]

Hope you didnt go with the mostly plays cutting edge games in 720p console then. Cuz that would be counter productive.

[ArbitorChief]

The Witness, Transistor and Hotline Miami 2, I cannot wait for those games and there all first on PS4. Ain't no way I'm waiting for those games to come to PC.

[bandit905]

Indie games on a gaming Console?... What a waste of time... I want to play "normal games" on my console... Not those crap cellphone games

[MasterCornholio]

Yeah this looks like a crappy mobile phone game to me.
LOL

No Mans Sky: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Here is another crappy mobile phone game

Rime: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And another

The Witness: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And another

Abes Odyssey: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Want more?

[Illusive_Man]

Abe will likely come to Xbox One.

[Lucreto]

Illusive_Man

They are in talks with Microsoft like they have been for the last few years and nothing has come of it yet.

Microsoft has to stop saying no

[ziggurcat]

titanfall is technically also an indie game because respawn is an indie developer...

[Flutterby]

By far one of the most ignorant comments I have read on this thread and that is saying something.

[madpuppy]

Isn't Outlast an indie game? that game looks pretty damn good and has excellent gameplay. I wouldn't call that a cell phone game.

There are a lot of indie developers that are very talented and make games that can rival a triple A developer with a contract to a Publisher that has them on a leash.

I would agree with you that if all indie games were phone/tablet games that they would be worthless on a console but, that is not the case and is quite narrow minded of you.

[kenshiro100]

Lol, cell phone games? Are you guys FOR REAL? Who in the world would complain about having more games on their console? That's what sets the PS4 from the XB1-diversity. It was the same thing with the PS3 and the XB360.

[TristanPR77]

What if I told you that

Because xbox sucks at indies, it doesn't mean indies doesn't matter.

They are here to stay and they are an important part of the industry.

[Hicken]

I feel stupid for having read all the comments by all these Xbox fanboys. It's as if their willful ignorance melts my brain.

Indies are now all garbage, even though they praised indies last gen on 360.

Quality over quantity is the rallying cry, despite virtually all the same quality titles bring on both consoles; obviously, then, the system that has MORE games will have more QUALITY, too.

It's frustrating to read these dismissals and know they only exist to make people feel better about their console of choice falling behind.

[ShowGun901]

exactly! every time the xbone doesn't measure up in some aspect, the fanboy army surrounds it, assuming a defensive formation, firing back with "so what, it doesn't matter!"

Be an adult. so the xbone isn't the best at something. Admit it. here, ill go first.

Ps4's camera isn't as good as kinect. and its not included for "free" in the box. im pretty sure the voice recognition isn't as good either, although i've never done a test...

alright, i think thats it.

seriously, i think at this point, y'all either were complete mindless fanboys of M$, or all your friends were buying one, and you kinda had to... at least the second reason is defendable. Its not the best system, but you wanna play with your friends. but please, don't go online, and everytime your system gets smacked around in the media, get all defensive. its pathetic.

[Sci0n]

Yet on the worst fanboys thread ps fans get called extremist for correcting ignorant misguided xbox fans comments. Just look at all the crazy stuff they say.

[Goku781]

Xbox One has Titanfall and Halo, they'll never need another Game this whole generation, plus Gears of War to Xbox owners Xbox One tumps everything. While I whole heartedly disagree, if that rumor about MS buying Vanquish as an exclusive for Xbox One I will once again just have to be a disgruntled Xbox owner as that would be about the only way or reason I would buy one.

[jmac53]

Only reason I would buy an Xbox One now is if they released a next-gen Crimson Skies. I don't see that happening now because MS doesnt take many risks anymore.

[TOTSUKO]

I don't understand why a lot of people hate on indies.

I believe indie games are vital for a gaming console and the industry. Especially when there are game droughts and waiting for the next big triple a game that is months away.

Indie games are short bursts of fun that fill the gap and adds variety. Some are also very fun couch co op games that I personally love.

[jmac53]

They hate because they are butt hurt and they dont have smaller games to pass the time between the AAA's.

[No_Limit]

Seriously, how many you with a straight face are going to give a rats about 95% of these indies titles? There are occasional hits like Minecraft and whatnot that will be available on both platforms, but most of them will be shovelware that will be forgotten or never look at in the digital stores. I invest in my PS4 and XB1 to play AAA games like Halo 5 and Uncharted 4, not freaking Angry Bird HD at 1080P.

[GodGinrai]

I agree with you. I play quite a few indie games ( not that I go out of my way to...some times I just want to play a smaller game) but I dont know many people who do. The majority will hold out for the Halos and Unchartereds of this world. When all is said and done I bet most of the people on this site dont play them... they simply see it as some sort of bragging right.

It all seems a bit hipster to me.

[DigitalRaptor]

What do you mean "hipster"?

A game is a game. Do you not see how popular indie games are and have been for the past few years on PC/Steam. This is not a trend... consoles are just catching up.

The popularity of indies stems from creativity, unique and original ideas, and fun, low-cost experiences. Indies are pure creativity and passion. They have no investors hanging over them to change their vision to make more money like AAA games suffer from.

If something like OUTLAST was a longer experience than about 5-6 hours, none of this talk would be happening because it has AAA production value and talent behind it.
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Edit: @ The realness

I must not have fully read your comment. but with due respect, I don't think that's the case for the majority of people on here. You're gonna get people boasting numbers regardless, but as far as games are concerned, we're all in this as gamers. A lot of the games on the PS4 indie side are looking very fun, promising and creative. If they look fun and interesting, chances are that we're going to want to play them, as well as list them in console wars.

I think where you feel this "hipster" attitude is coming through, is when Sony fans are replying to gamers on here who are intentionally downplaying the indie scene because it's a strength of PlayStation platforms.

I believe that not being open to indie games is one of the most foolish choices a gamer can make, but I won't judge a person on their tastes, unless they are asking for it through ignorance. People can like what they want, in my opinion, but if they bring misinformation, i'm going to always aim to call them out on it. :)

[jmac53]

@DigitalRaptor a bubble for you amidst all these "bro" gamers that think that COD and Halo are the only worthwhile experiences.

[GodGinrai]

@DigitalRaptor

I mean people who like indie games because they are "indie", thinking it marks them out as somehow more enlightened than other gamers.

And then look at the guy below you..JMAC53 "a bubble for you amidst all these "bro" gamers that think that COD and Halo are the only worthwhile experiences." ....

A bit presumptuous dont you think? So everybody that doesnt play indies is "bro" gamer, now? Does it make you feel like less of a "sheep"? I aint even trippin because this type of poster seems to be quite common these days.

But agree with you, digitalraptor, a game is a game...I dont care if its skyrim or dont starve personally. If its good it can get a place in my collection. But I dont make assumptions about gamers based on their choice of games...Its the dumbest trend I have seen amongst gamers.

"The popularity of indies stems from creativity, unique and original ideas, and fun, low-cost experiences."

Dude...you're preaching to the choir right now. I like them just as much as you.

[madpuppy]

if every indie game was garbage like angry birds, you would have a point, but, a lot of them are not like that, they aren't all retro platformers. games like Outlast. or, (even though IDK if they will ever be released on a console) most games from Frictional games.
also games like Routine look like there will be a PS4 port.
http://www.ign.com/articles...

so saying all indie games are garbage like angry birds is asinine to say the least.

[bub16]

now we know how many months of indie games on ps plus we have :(

[Illusive_Man]

Who plans on paying for all 1000 indies? I guess if anyone needs them Sony does. The AAA titles are average at best.

Anyway for the misinformed: ID has more than 250, 250 is only the amount of people who have received dev kits. Plenty more are accepted and approved, just don't have dev kits yet.

[greenyboi]

My dick is bigger than yours. Playground arguments these

[GodGinrai]

Nuh-uh! Mines is bigger 'n yours!

[greenyboi]

Well my dad would beat your dad up .

[andrewer]

PC has infinite! xD but whatever the quantity, it's always good to see indies in consoles.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

Life is great when you own both!

Looks like the PS4 has got it sorted with Indie games though!

What I don't understand is why people suddenly care. X360 has thousands of Indies and I rarely hear any hype surrounding those..95% of them are garbage. Now the PS4 is getting loads they are suddenly the holy grail's of gaming.

I don't care ad long as I see a few more quality games like Outlast.

[incendy35]

The indies I am most looking forward to are Super Time Force and Galak-z. One is X1/360 exclusive and the other is PS4/Vita exclusive. Guess we will just have to get both systems to enjoy the best indies.

[SaveFerris]

I hope Super Time Force will come to PS4, I really like the look of that and Below.

[incendy35]

Or just get an X1, it is an awesome system too.

[Spikeantestor]

You know, this thread is why we can't have nice things.

[urwifeminder]

250 wow that's amazing keep it up MS.

[Gamer666]

I agree that having a lot of devts on board with your product is a good thing.

But, now it appears that consoles don't have the quality control that they used to have to limit the amount of shovelware that enters the industry.

That really concerns me as a consumer that buys a lot of games. Things like forcing these games to go through a publisher so that the publisher's name and reputation are attached to it are gone now.

Instead, we are left with a a double-edged sword... Great that anyone can develop a game and get it out to the console world, bad that the quality of the game is not critiqued by a third party as a good idea or not. We used to get shovelware titles with publishers involved. Now that publishers are not involved I'm not sure how "great" that is going to be longer term for the games industry.

[bleedsoe9mm]

both the console's stores are going to need an overhaul

[Illusive_Man]

Judging by this picture, PS4 needs all the games it can get because it is not selling:

https://i.imgur.com/KhGS4sp...

[Hicken]

Yes, the console with over six million units sold is not selling...

[Max-Zorin]

You just lost to the troll.

[madpuppy]

Damn!, you faceless rha-rha boys with no history just come slithering out of the woodwork with some pathetic drive-by defence of the Xbone. your job would be a lot easier if you created a presence on many different sites and over a course of years and "groomed" your online presence for a time when it is not so obvious to everyone that you are a paper cutout user used to push an agenda.

[mediate-this]

Wow indies. Never been a indie guy, thats just me though.

[feraldrgn]

But nobody can say for sure if those 750 extra indies will make good indie games.

[quenomamen]

But Im sure all those 250 X1 indie devs will make nothing but stellar gsme right ? So technically both consoles will still have only have 250 good indie games even though PS4 has 750 more indie devs ? Thats some kick ass logic you got working.

[feraldrgn]

If Xbone has 250 indies & PS4 has 1000 indies, there's no logic in the world to say those 750 extra indies will produce good games.

"But nobody can say for sure if those 750 extra indies will make good indie games" is a perfectly logical thing to say.

Putting it into perspective instead of "look how much potential I have"

[donnieboy]

But there yet to be seen...

[mochachino]

Pretty much every article I read comparing PS4 to Xone makes me absolutely certain I bought the better console...imo

[welly300]

Not a big fan of Indie games, dead nation is about the best of the bunch so far. we are only a few months into this Gen triple AAA titles take time and a ridiculous amount of cash. Indie games will have to do until the big guns are ready.

[GundalfDeGrej]

Mjeh, good news for Sony but if it's indie games you want, PC is obviously the way to go.

[AnEwGuY]

This is what happens, when you let anyone and everyone into the club, and admission is free....

[Qwagy UK]

It's a numbers game, having 750 more indie titles you can guarantee at least a few of them will be outstanding!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[MetaReapre]

I see this and I'm excited, however I hope it really is quality stuff. I mean that's a lot. I don't want the ps store to become cluttered with bad games.

[cyclindk]

Agree quality over quantity, but with higher QUANTITY the odds of even more GOOD quality games to be made increase proportionately. Simply put, there are more chances that a great game will come out of all the mediocre. It isn't a scenario where all these indie devs are cutting a piece out of the same collective pie and in effect reducing quality of any other game being produced, each have their own opportunity to shine and aren't dependent on the other. It also makes things more competitive at the same time, which will push devs to really put some effort into their titles if they want to stand a chance to earn your dollar.

What I'd like to see is more "steam-like" sales in the PS store, indie "packs," a couple games of different types in a bundle for sale together at a good price, lots of price variation, from a dollar, two dollars and up. "Build your own bundle." :)

[Geekman]

So NOW we care about indies. Ok.

[LexHazard79]

What I like most about this site. Xbox has 250 indies! Then a fanboy goes and finds an article with Sony PS4 having a 1000, submits it and let the bloodbath begin! Good one Maria, you suck by the way, but good one! Id say overall MS had a good week on N4G! Sony fanboys trying to restore order..lol

[UltraAtomic]

a fanboy title!! with fanboy comments. good for sony, but x1 will get more indies later. i don't see why you fanboys are making such a big deal out of this seriously!!!

[KillerByte23]

Indiestation 4 confirmed

[Belasco]

That's it, Maria you have finally made me see the light! I am trading in my X1 and getting a Ps4, all thanks to your submissions. M$ (Yes, I will type it like that from now on) should be wiped off of the face of the planet /s

[Lawboy2]

I wonder how many ppl on here watch independent films

[AnEwGuY]

Yeah...the vast majority are garbage...just like games.

[dddooozzz9]

Only love the series of PlayStation.

[tommygunzII]

The landscape will be very different in 12 months. Sony means business this generation.

[romancer]

Let some time pass. Let the dust settle. And then we'll see - on a more realistic and factual basis -- which indie games are worth buying.

Why get all worked up over theoretical possibilities?

I own both consoles and therefore can't lose out -- "both/and" is a better approach to modern video gaming rather than "either/or".

I play a great deal but can barely keep up with AAA titles, as it is. So an overheated spat over indie games that don't exist yet makes no sense.

[MeLoveRamen]

The xbox fanboys blow my mind when they say its all about AAA titles these days. It has been 4-5 months for these new consoles and xbox might have 1 more AAA exclusive than the ps4 and you guys think the xbone is the second coming or something. What happen the last five years on the xbox360 it had about 4 exclusives and a bunch of kinect shovelware while the ps3 had about 18 exclusives. To think the ps4 won't have tons of AAA exclusives means either your a fanboy or you haven't been following the ps3 for the last 6 years.
The xbone is the only thing you need to worry about when it comes to exclusives, yea you will get great exclusives in the first 3-4 years of its life cycle but if history repeats itself then the xbone will burn out and will only have 3-4 exclusives that are only big franchises like halo, gow, and forza because microsoft doesn't like taking chances on new ip in the later years of a console. Also indies are games and that just gives us a wider selection of games to play.

[shadyiswin]

Really? I count
Ryse
Forza
Dead rising
Titanfall
Plants vs zombies
Kinect sports (4/9/14)

Nearly one exclusive a month at this rate ,my fav not even on the list is killer instinct,may will be new indie games and june is e3, Xbox one is doing a great job supplying a steady stream of games.

Ps4 so far has

Knack....
Killzone...
Infamous SS

the rest are TBA and won't even be blockbusters. The order having no multiplay has crippled it,no one but die hard Sony fans wait for uncharted,I'd rather a new tomb raider personally.

[Lawboy2]

Dnt forget
KI
ZOO TYCOON

[MeLoveRamen]

Well then if your counting pvz and kinect sports, then you need to add Outlast, Resogun, mercenary kings (4/1), Don't Starve, DC Universe, Warframe, Blacklight, flower, flow, sound shapes, Doki Doki universe. Please kid you say ps4 TBA exclusives won't be blockbusters but i will disagree with you and say none of xbones TBA exclusives won't be blockbusters except gears and halo. BTW Plants vs Zombies is coming to ps4 so scratch that.

[noctis_lumia]

ofc we wait uncharted it wtfrolfpwn the new uncharted clone oups i mean tomb raider

when tomb raider will get the amount of awards naughty dog uncharted game then give me a call or if it will reach the same amount of sales ok buddy ?
i remember the ps3 first 2 years wasnt good there was no games but hey look at it now...more quality AAA games ms 360 would wished for
same will happen with the ps4

kkthxbb

[brew]

You missed a few

Injustice Gods Among Us
Final Fantasy XIV - (4/14/14)
MLB The Show 14 - (5/6/14)

[kenshiro100]

That's the saddest argument I have ever seen. No, really...

[Max-Zorin]

All this drama over Indies. My generation suck.

[_FantasmA_]

Damn 1000?!?! PS4 has no games confirmed, PS4 is doomed confirmed. Long Live TV! Sports! and TV!

[beatled]

how many of those 100 games this year are stupid indie games I will never play though>>

don't get me wrong, I own a ps4 and love it, got the whole best buy ultimate gamer bundle and cannot wait to see what this thing can do and am currently loving playing kz-sf and warframe on it

but I have zero interest in things like hotline Miami and towerfall, those are like free phone games to me....I would play them on the crapper for 10 min tops and be done with them....don't care to see them on the console I just dropped $850 on

I want AAA games, EXCLUSIVE games on my ps4

everything else I will buy on pc as it will look WAY better and cost WAY less

[TOTSUKO]

Who doesn't want AAA games on their console? However, there a lot of people that are so hungry for them that there is no hesitation in buying recycled Call of Duty or Assassins Creed every year. Publishers are just making a quick and lucrative buck off them.

Those games are not all that bad but if developers actually put in the time and thought in making them better every iteration than Call of Duty and Assassins Creed might become MORE worth the money and wait.

I respect your opinion about indie titles. Most indie games are more fun on a console. Its not for everyone but some people like them as much as AAA titles.

When we are all waiting a long time for the next big game I recommend to at least give some indies a chance.

[MeLoveRamen]

It has only been 4 months and all you kids are crying for more. Last time i checked the ps4 has a buttload of AAA games just because they only have 6 exclusives doesn't mean the third party games don't count. Maybe you should have waited a little longer before diving in too quickly. U should have known because the drought always happens when a new platform releases.

[player002]

just goes to show huh PS4 is lacking games out of 100 indie games most will like 5 or so.I have both sytems but lets be honest anyone that does knows that XB1 has more first party games to play right now it a no contest .Only games worth anything is Killzone and its meh Infamous is good though.On the horizon only drive club and the order look worth anything

[isarai]

SWEET!

Don't give a shit about the comparison, more games is more games, don't care if they're indie or not, just excited to have such a large library headed to my sweet little PS4 for me to choose from

[player002]

you should give a shit you want quality over quantity i can have 100 fat chicks or 10 super hot ones ummm i choose the hot ones every time..The more u accept crap the more u will get if you say hey no crappy stuff only quality and use ur wallets for talking guess what u get quality smh

[isarai]

who says i'm going to buy crap? and who says just because it's indie it has to be crap? hell some of the best games i've played recently were indie, hell Outlast is a better survival horror than reident evil has been in the past few years and guess what, outlast is indie.

you're acting like this means Playstation won't be getting any other games, or that the inclusion of these somehow affects non indie games when in fact it has no affect on anything at all, it's just more games on top of the standard flow of games we'll be getting. You're right on one thing, quality over quantity any day, but there's two thing wrong with that statement in this context.

1) that really only applies when coming from or governed by a single source, because that saying implies that having more affects them all while these games are coming from tons of sources and are governed by their respective SCE branch thus having pretty much no affect on each other.

and
2) higher quantity gives more chances of finding quality when coming from many external sources that are not affected by each other

[shadyiswin]

Here's the thing,the indies signed on to Xbox one through Xbox ID program have to keep there titles exclusive for a time period I think 6-12 months,those are the 250 indie devs they're talking about. I highly doubt 80% of indies don't want that Xbox money after watching Xbox indie games take off.
No indie game looks as fun as Super Time Force and im sure I'll enjoy some more timed exclusives thanks to xboxs creative indie program :D

[tulholdren]

More games for me to play TY Sony and Indies..

[Iamnemesis4880]

1000 indie devs is good but how many will make it? Last year some big name devs went down it is a risk. But i really hope to see a lot of the indie devs make it.

[noctis_lumia]

"ps4 has no games"

lol...

[Gotcha5]

With all those devs only means many of these games will be over looked or not supported by the community.

[beebap]

God you are sad fanboy see the other system has more indie than them so bad mouth indies do you realise that some indies have big budget and quality as AAA but no must act like they are worthless to play.Also keeping going with ps4 has no games its fooling no one here except other xbox fanboys who blindly believe this and cling to these trollings.just play your system and if xbox is worth it people will buy it but these statements are not helping so immature. Maybe some people need to see that microsoft are going to keep suppling games after drought happened end of 360 but logic of fanboy is to praise anything comes out on xbox one while ps4 game not. It the beginning of new console lifecycle it always slow to get AAA games out but claim all xbox one games are amazing while putting down ps4. Don't see any ps fanboy bashing or claiming xbox has no games when we all know who has the most.then it arguments like gameplay over resolution or quality over quantity etc we all know who has realised the most varied quality games.you all want to forget how x360 went and hope that ps4 is not realising has many as ps3 as thus is only way now you see xbox winning. Only been on this site for good few months or so but feel like finding another as the one thing I hate most in this world is lies bs and some stuff people are saying is unbelievable. We are smart people but some want to live in ignorance.

[josephayal]

1,000? Holy Crap

[Silly gameAr]

Based on a lot of these comments, I think some people are actually starting to lose their minds with this PS4 and X1 BS....

[GHOSTxx420]

But what about the real games? I don't play indie games nor buy a console to do so.

[lemoncake]

Prepare for 900 flappy birds clones.

[NarcolepZZZZZZ]

Oh my god. Who CARES? My daddy can beat up your daddy!!! For christ sake every time i come here all I see are bad articles shitting on xbox one. Yes, it exists. Get over it. Xbox one is a thing, Get OVER IT!! Do Dell laptop owners take fat dumps on HP owners?? I rreally fucking don't get it.

[mmj]

Who cares? it's all about the resoluti.. oh.. wait. :p

PS4 2 Xbone 0

[Priestwithgun]

i hope we don't get another android play store