Performance Gap Between Xbox One and PS4 Will Disappear, Says Oddworld Creator

Oddworld Inhabitants co-founder Lorne Lanning has discussed the differences between developing for Xbox One and PlayStation 4, saying that disparity between the consoles is already disappearing.

[fonger08]

Until it's proven it's all hear-say. That $100 (or now $50) cost difference between the two systems is HUGE when considering what the PS4 will do right out of the box for 95% of all 3rd party games.

[xHeavYx]

Unless MS comes with an Xbox One.2 with improved hardware, there will always be a performance gap

[HeWhoWalks]

Seems to be a hard concept for some to grasp, even a few devs (it would seem), no matter how simple the idea is.

Much of it, to me, aims to fill a need for parity (for whatever reason). Where was such talk during the PS2 era? Answer - didn't exist, because there was no way that console's specs could ever decrease the performance gap between itself and the Xbox/GameCube.

Sure, we now live in a world where patches and firmware can change a lot, but they cannot change hardware. That gap will ALWAYS be there.

[GarrusVakarian]

Lol, "disappear". Where exactly is it going to go? I know some devs have to be neutral and appear not to be choosing a side. But some gamers aren't stupid.

As devs learn and get the most out of the X1, the same will be happening with the PS4. That will happen throughout the gen. The gap is already there and will remain. You can't just magically make weaker hardware the same as more powerful hardware, even if the more powerful hardware stayed at a standstill...which it won't be.

You can gimp games on the more powerful platform for partiality, that's not the same as the performance gap closing though.

[Fireseed]

"Seems to be a hard concept for some to grasp, even a few devs"

Armchair game development at it's finest.

[NewMonday]

He is talking about development tool performance not consoles, but MS can keep on dreaming

[Death]

@Lukas

Both consoles will improve with time, that is a given. The PS4 out of the gate is easier to maximize due to it's single pool of GDDR5. Developing on the PS4 is much easier than the Xbox One due to Microsoft using eSram. It will take longer for devs to master the more complex architecture that Microsoft chose to use. The launch titles show Microsoft has much more room for improvement. The gap may always exist, but it will get smaller over time as Xbox devs play catch up.

[truefan1]

You guys are missing the point, where did he say XB1 will be more powerful, he said performance gap will close and he is right. Forza is the only 1080p 60 fps exclusive and it was a launch title. 1080p 60 fps will be the max this generation and it will be about who can make it look the best. MSFT is the BEST software company in the world and DX is unmatched in terms of api software. You guys will learn by June 2014 that XB1 may have the best looking and best performing games, despite being less powerful. Hardware is the only thing set in stone and as much as open gl may improve, it will never be DX.

[GrizzliS1987]

gap will only increase. i am willing to bet the full potential of the ps4 over time will escalate exponentially more so than the full potential of the xb1.

to simplify my statement, imagine ps4 is a number 2, and xb1 a number 1.
2 to 1 is a difference of 1.
if they both increase performance by lets say, 50% that would put ps4 at 3 and xb1 at 1.5

so now, 3 to 1.5 is not a difference of 1 anymore, but of 1.5.

[torchic]

@fireseed

you don't need to go to university and study computer engineering for 4 years to know that difference in power between PS4 and Xbox One will never reach a state of parity, especially due to the chasm between the two. hardware is exactly that, HARDware and can't change. software is more than capable of doing the job for Microsoft but not while the hardware gap between the two is initially this large.

I'm not sure what this dev is trying to pull here, very ODD indeed.

@truefan

let's ignore your argument that software will bring performance and graphical parity, or as you suggested maybe even superiority to the Xbox One. let's talk about Microsoft's reputation for a bit, how much do you wanna bet that Microsoft is once again exaggerating the truth and DX12 will bring minimal gains to Xbox One? you guys don't learn do you? it's almost as if you enjoy being lied to by Microsoft.

[Kingthrash360]

disappear?..lol ok. by that logic the gap in power between wiiu and ps4 will disappear too. y'know, just because i said it.

[cozomel]

I've never cared for any of this guys games and have never bought one. And it will stay that way, cuz this guy just sounds to me like he's aiming for parity, rather than designing to each consoles strength. Unless the PS4's development environment isnt improving while the XO's is, then there's no way you can deny the technical gap. And also, often these devs say sh!t like this and then when their game comes out there are huge differences between the versions. So i'll believe it when i see it.

Also can somebody explain to me how and what "toolset" is and whats the difference with the "development environment" and SDK and API and drivers.

[darthv72]

Optimization is key. The gap won't "disappear" per say but there will be a diminished sense of performance differences over time.

It happens with all platforms the longer they are on the market. Devs get better at understanding what works and what doesnt and they find new ways to improve the performance and reduce the overhead in doing so.

I will say this though. Architecture that is a bit more cumbersome does present an interesting challenge to those who have the desire to really understand it. If successful in achieving that understanding, great things come of it.

PS2 and PS3 are both great examples of tech that wasn't easy to program for at first but once they got the hang of it we got great end results from their labor.

[Hozi89]

The reason there won't be a performance gap like he's talking about is because DEVS will get lazy and make the ps4 version of the game the same as Xbone.

[Hatsune-Miku]

What's up with stupid people and their idiotic spinning. Do people think weaker hardware can just magically get more powerful.

Ps4 is over 50% more powerful than xbox one and it'll forever be that way. Xbox one software for developing games will get more efficient and better just like Ps4s but hardware power will always be the same

Ps4 will forever be more powerful than xbox one

Xb1: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games -56% less  
Xb1: 768 Shaders -50.5% less  
Xb1: 48 Texture units -50% less  
Xb1: 16 ROPS -100% less  
Xb1: 2 ACE/ 16 queues -400% less  
Xb1: 13.65GPixels/s -88% less  
Xb1: 40.90GTexels/s -40% less  

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games +56% more  
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50.5%  
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%  
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%  
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues 400%  
PS4: 25.60GPixels/s +88%  
PS4: 57.60GTexels/s +40%

I know fanat-X and fanboys think specs don't mean a thing because you can just improve software development but when you improve software development on a higher spec device it'll show improvements over a lower spec device. People should just get what they want and be satisfied no matter if what they prefer is inferior. I myself prefers quality and more power so ps4 for me. I have a pc but don't like tinkering with things when there are software conflicts preventing me from playing games or whatever

Ps4 is the future and the future is ps4

[Askanison4]

@GrizzliS1987

You don't understand what exponential means, do you?

[Why o why]

Please dont use forza as a 1080p 60fps example after the falongate. Just wait for another title...
I would also take more note had it been a developer that had worked on a multiproject that was more demanding. Ask kojima, or the watchdog guys. If, by their next game, they state there's a shrinking of the gap then it would be impossible to argue against it potentially disappearing. Theres a whole lot of closing from the current state of play though.

Like pretty much everybody has stated, both will improve. We shall see if the gap will dissappear. I highly doubt judging that from specs and limited knowledge alone but whats wrong with giving some a semblance of hope to fight the fight with.

[scott182]

@truefan1
Resogun is a PS4 exclusive in 1080p 60fps and does more on screen all day long than Forza. Most multiplats play and look better. X1 has no "good looking" games in full hd 1080p, PS4 has plenty. PS4 has basically the same CPU but MUCH stronger GPU with more features and better pool of RAM.

Can we just face it that the PS4 is going to have the advantage? I faced it last gen that the 360 had the faster gpu with better shaders, I wasn't in denial (and it was even less significant difference wise last gen)... This is just getting ridiculous. I don't know if companies just want to stick up for Microsoft out of loyalty or what, but nobody let the PS3 off the hook last gen because of it's gpu, and being hard to program for.

[GarrusVakarian]

@truefan. No one is saying that he said the X1 will be more powerful. You are making some mighty big assumptions with comment based on literally nothing at all. You seem to put all your hopes into software, but everyone knows that software can only do so much. Having more powerful hardware is the biggest advantage and the PS4 has that. As I, and many others have said already, both consoles will improve with time, but expecting the gap between each consoles to magically close is unrealistic. Also, using Forza of an example of 1080p 60fps is laughable, the visual sacrifices that game had to make in order to achieve that we're pretty significant. Sorry for the lack of paragraphs, I'm on my phone :p

[Darrius Cole]

You say Microsoft is the best software company in the world??? Best? Not the biggest, but the best??? RRRReally???

Well, Truefan1, you certainly gave yourself the right name.

[ThanatosDMC]

They better not be saying that because they're signing the parity clause bs.

[badz149]

it's now official guys! for you pc only gamers out there, this is good news! you don't have to buy new GPU every 2 to 3 years as your old and weaker card will perform just as good as the newer and better cards if you give it some times!

but seriously, what a joke!

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

@ Hatsune-Miko, dude your X1 specs are totally wrong lol, the system is pushing 1.34TFLOPS for a start XD Look up Xbox One specs and stop mis informing people, Yes the PS4 is more powerful, but not like you have it listed.

[Charybdis]

Software and tools are important. Xb1 virtual (3os system) takes up precious resources but allows for snaping apps could a software update improve performance maybe. Esram will be a bottleneck if not supported correctly, could tools improve and maybe even automate the buffering into the esram also maybe.

Since the OS is virtual I do not know if it is possible (would be nice though) for the x1 to incorporate esram and its ddr3 ram into a virtual memory pool accessible at the same time by gpu and cpu (hsa concept). Having good software and tools simply does and can result in better performance of hardware especially if you overcomplicate things with 3os systems and esram.

[abstractel]

Lorne Lannning's comment on the technical side of things should never be taken serious. Actually, he should in general rarely be taken serious. Very few if his "predictions" have come to pass.

[mewhy32]

Yes. But if i'd said that I'd be tagged for trolling.

[FLYINGDOG]

" Ps4 is the future and the future is ps4 " ps4 look more like 3DO.. future? jajajajaja

[MorePowerOfGreen]

Like I said before I'm surprised folks care what the PS4 fan armchair developers and engineers say on this topic.

Funny how some elite 3rd party devs and 1st party MSFT devs must be looking at Directx 12 kits or trying to reserve them for XB1, when PS4 fans said collectively it was impossible for XB1 and you would need new hardware just days ago, days before GDC.(talking VIP devs, not the public or small time devs having access in 2015)

-XB1 has a faster clocked CPU

-More peak RAM bandwidth/heavily custom GPU with joint AMD nd MSFT design.

-8 gigs of Flash, dedicated audio chip,4 Move engines

-Directx

Things like this are what devs are seeing when they say things like that. There maybe some things each console will do the other can't in the future. The performance differences we see today has nothing to do with these launch games showing that PS4 is more cable. The xbox One issues are caused by dev kits/tools being slapped together and worked on as devs were building the fist or even 2nd wave of games.

Clearly based on the unfinished system software, lack of features compared to the 360 and the lower performing multi plats you can see that the Xb1 was suppose to release in 2015 and has placeholder system software in it.

[maniacmayhem]

I always get a kick out of some of the posters here on N4G that refuse to take a developers word when it doesn't paint Sony's console in a higher light when compared to others.

There is nothing to suggest that Xbox One can't do 1080p or 60fps. And we have already heard and it is a fact that the reason for early multiplat games not being the same is directly because of Xbox One's architecture.

Just because one hardware has GDDR5 doesn't mean it will be running laps around Xbox One. We have already seen some games for PS4 having to cut corners just to achieve a certain framerate or graphic fidelity despite a lot on here who always yell the ps4 has more power.

You guys don't seem to understand that you can achieve more with less. It's all about the right tools, the right tools make all the difference in the world.

And why this developer is lying after what MS put them through should only further prove that the gap will close.

[tinynuggins]

It makes sense if you really think about it. If an X1 game runs at 900p/60FPS and that same game runs on PS4 at 1080p/60FPS he's saying that eventually both games would be running at 1080p/60/FPS. Unless developers then start outputting PS4 games at 1120p/90 FPS which isn't going to happen.. the gap basically closes. PS4 will always be the more powerful console, you just may not see the difference in multi-plat games in the near future like you do now.

[scott182]

I guess this is good news for me then, according to what some people on here say. My 9800 gtx in my pc wont need to be upgraded anymore, I can just wait for better tools to come out for developers and overclock my CPU a tiny bit... Money saved! Thank you guys.

[Angeljuice]

@Trufan1

" MSFT is the BEST software company in the world and DX is unmatched in terms of api software."

OMG, did you type that with a straight face? No dev alive believes DX is unmatched, it doesn't allow you to code close enough to the metal, it is viewed as frustrating for that reason. They are trying to address that with DX12, but only because DX was lagging way behind and they had to do something.

While Microsoft may be the 'biggest' software company in the world, they are FAR FROM THE BEST. Don't believe the self-promotional hype, your comments come from someone who obviously isn't forced to use their buggy, unstable, legacy-ridden crap for a living.

[Pain]

in time my Ford focus will catch up to that Corvette!! bigger stronger faster motor my butt!! I just know it can right?...

[Pogmathoin]

Who is this Lorne Lanning anyway? What would he know? Thank the Lord I have all you here to get my tech resources....

[Gozer]

The comments here are hilarious and way out of actual reality. These devs have all had plenty of hands on time with both consoles, and Ill take their words over any of the armchair devs here at N4G. Ignorance is apparently bliss.
http://www.videogamer.com/x...
http://www.escapistmagazine...
http://slumz.boxden.com/f13...

[fr0sty]

Leave it up to armchair journalists at an unknown Xbox fansite to put words in Lorne's mouth when discussing the 2 next gen consoles. He never once said the difference would disappear. If you're going to quote the guy, at least get it right rather than distorting his words just to make a flame-bait headline.

"Getting comparable" "shaving down the difference" etc. does not equal parity, as the headline implies.

All it means is that the tools are getting better to enable better performance on one machine, however the same can be said of both machines since both have tools and drivers that are being upgraded constantly. PS4 isn't sitting still while Xbox One plays catch-up, both consoles are maturing from a development perspective.

[BlackTar187]

I think Truefan1 is also on IGN. You guys should check those comments out.

[NukaCola]

I got got give it the guy,

For a man who had a company run into the ground by MS, almost completely destroying everything he worked for and then continued to get crapped on for 2 gens on the Xbox, he is still an optimistic and nice guy. Is New and Tasty even coming to the Xbone?

[Thunderhawkxbox]

@hatsune-miku woow u do know how to copy and paste lol

[avidgamer1]

Lucas, I must ask you this seeing that you seem to know where the next level up in terms of graphics are going to be. Suppose the Xbox One do catch up to the PS4 in achieving 1080p 60fps in the future, you seem to think that by then the PS4 will be on a different level than that. Are we going to see 2160p 120fps? Mind you I am not a resolution expert or anything that is why I'm asking.

[Bigpappy]

We must tank our supreme N4G engineer Mr. XHeavYx for his enlightening analysis. Luckily we have him here, be cause those lazy developers who make the games are a bunch of liars who have no idea what these things are capable of. Thanks . Again HeavY for your unbiased analysiss /s

[Ju]

Too late already ...but since nobody seems to read the article allow me to quote the "important" section:

Oddworld Inhabitants is currently working on a from-the-ground-up remake of Oddworld: New ’n Tasty for PlayStation 4. Lanning is also in talks to bring the game to Xbox One, as part of the ID@Xbox program. Should he be successful, Lanning doesn't believe there will be any noticeable differences in performance between the different console versions.

“For us, we aren’t taxing it that heavy, like I say it’s not Battlefield,” he said. “For us, we don’t really see that we’ll have performance problems on either and we’ll be able to get what we want, with very dynamic looking lighting, particle effects, etc.”

[v6volume]

"Cloud computing: The perfect One 2 punch. Exclusively for Microsoft"
You're welcome M$

[kickerz]

Well I bought my xbox 1 for playing awesome games on and it's already delivered. I don't buy a console just so I can come on n4g and beat my chest in a spec war , because a) I'm not a developer or have a computer engineering degree b) think I know more then an actual game developer like this oddworld guy c) have better things to do

[alexkoepp]

Sony fanboys be like:

You can't increase the hardware, the gap is never going to close cause the hardware will always be better... the gap is only going to get wider because... because... well its just going to get wider cause we said so.

the irony, can't close a gap because hardware is static but the gap can get bigger because the hardware is static. I think its fair to say that Xbox development has been a little tougher so far because of the custom architecture, but as developers learn it you will see more improvement from the early titles to later titles. Ps4 will improve also but their hardware is more straight forward, so developers are already tapping more potential, so you won't see the improvement as much. The gap is going to close, I'm sure not fully but I think well see multiplatforms performing almost identically as last generation, and exclusives will look fantastic on both

[Visiblemarc]

Yeah...fanboy arguments aside, this "promise of eventual parity" myth seems like total BS.

[assdan]

Exactly. Every Argument saying the gap will close is already false.
The ps4 is stronger with direct ports.
Optimization with the esram is known to not make up for the difference no matter how hard they try.
We know devas don't try to achieve parity because they never have tried. Last gen, games looked better on one console or the othe other almost every time.

[NewZealander]

look to the beginning of the 360, that chunky ugly white box, it didn't even have hdmi, it had that awful blade system, and the specs were well behind that of the ps3, slower ram etc.

if the 360 remained the same console from day one there would have been now way it could compete with ps3, but as history has shown us these consoles evolve a huge amount.

even with all its issues like RRoD and hardware that was well behind in terms of specs, the 360 kicked some major ass, to go in to this generation purely based on "on paper" performance gaps, is really quite blind.

what you get on launch day is most certainly not the same console you will be playing a few years from now.

[kopicha]

its easy to make the gap disappear. gimp the PS4 version and make it the same as what it is done on X1. That's all needed. You cant change the hardware, let the software do the job.

[Geoff900]

@torchic

"you don't need to go to university and study computer engineering for 4 years to know that difference in power between PS4 and Xbox One will never reach a state of parity, especially due to the chasm between the two. hardware is exactly that, HARDware and can't change. software is more than capable of doing the job for Microsoft but not while the hardware gap between the two is initially this large.

I'm not sure what this dev is trying to pull here, very ODD indeed."

You need experience on development before telling everyone that something is more powerful, it's a bit like telling someone about how to decorate without actually done it yourself.

You keep on saying hardware, hardware that, haven't you realized yet, that hardware isn't the be all and all anymore?

You can have the most powerful servers in the world, but it's software which powers it, it's software which decides how much CPU, RAM, or even Graphics you utilize at any given time, hell even routers, switches utilize software now.

All industry powered hardware is software driven, you even have multi-core CPU's inside of routers/switches etc.

Why? because software decides what kind of performance you will get out of the hardware, look at the Xbox 360 and PS3 first few years they had lower than 720p resolution, many years after many 720p games started cropping up. This happened because of optimization of...you guessed it software.

"let's ignore your argument that software will bring performance and graphical parity, or as you suggested maybe even superiority to the Xbox One. let's talk about Microsoft's reputation for a bit, how much do you wanna bet that Microsoft is once again exaggerating the truth and DX12 will bring minimal gains to Xbox One? you guys don't learn do you? it's almost as if you enjoy being lied to by Microsoft."

I think you have this weird notion that the Xbox One and PS4 are more powerful than they actually are, they are both using mobile based CPU's, they are using old GPU's, they aren't all that powerful. They are more powerful than the prior gen, and you will see amazing looking games that's for sure, but there won't be as big as gap between both consoles.

They are using pretty much the same hardware, and like I said software is what drives hardware now not hardware.

Both consoles will get 1080p 60FPS, and with some differences, no big deal.

P.S just so you know, Sony lie as well, it's company you may want to stop sucking up all the company PR, and just get wit playing games.

[Geoff900]

@Hatsune-Miku

Numbers, which I bet the majority of which don't really know what they actually mean.

Here's the thing which people who aren't software devs fail to comprehend, hardware isn't based on numbers not since multi-core CPU's came about, why? because you can have a dual core CPU running at 1.8Ghz, processing data slower than a 1.8 64Bit processor.

Hardware isn't as important as it once was, firmware, O.S, optimizations etc can be tweaked altered.

Although the hardware will never change, SOFTWARE is where things can and do change, DX12 will give developers better utilization of hardware, and MS will optimize the OS, alter the firmware etc, it will allow devs to utilize the Xbox One's hardware effectively.

People who preach about hardware all the time, need to actually develop games because are no longer about how powerful something supposedly is, you can find bottle necks, you can find problems in the OS etc which can all impede your software in some way.

The reality is about both consoles, is they aren't that much different from each other, one is using a software solution to things, the other is using a hardware solution.

So please stop bitching and play games.

[gameon1985]

You would think with all the recent bad Sony news, their blindly loyal fans would stop talking shit. You idiots need to worry about if Sony is actually making any game at all... instead of the Xbox One catching up to it in power. This is why you people get no sympathy from xbox fans for bad Sony news, you try to trash the xbox at every turn. you refuse to believe that the xbox can match the PS4 in power, so if a dev claims that there will be no difference in the future you immediately claim they just want parity. That's as brain washed as brain wash can get. lets say that games are identical on both consoles in a year do you fools think the devs that where making better PS4 games since launch will just stop because of parity?

[scott182]

Just so I am keeping up on this site.
-Resolution doesn't matter
-hardware isn't as important as it once was
-cloud power is better to have
-Microsoft is the best software company
-direct x is the best API
-Sony fans are mean and they lie

Am I up to date on everything?

[tubers]

Unless devs cop out or something.. like doing lazy stuff like minor PS4 differences when they could've shown a more substantial difference.

I think that'll happen.

[Sarcasm]

Yup here we go again. The Xbox One is going to magically produce the obvious hardware disparity. For the millionth time, it's not a software issue, the hardware is simply like for like underpowered. It's an apples to apples comparison. A Radeon 7850 is faster than a Radeon 7790. It's 100% fact.

[fr0sty]

Geez, the 'boys are getting pretty desperate, aren't they?

Software powers hardware, and without a perfect balance of the two you end up with reduced performance. In NO CASE WHATSOEVER will software upgrades cause hardware parity, unless the software for the other system sucks and does not ever improve, which is not the case.

People claim that software advances are causing X1 to catch up to PS4, ignoring the fact that PS4 is also advancing its software along the way too. In 4 years you'll see devs pushing PS4 in ways that nobody right now would ever dream to be possible. Nobody thought you'd see PS2 using normal maps, or PS3 using tessellation, but it happened due to software upgrades. They come to ALL systems, so to claim that a software upgrade will enable one system to catch up to the other is to assume that the other system won't be getting any upgrades along the way as well, which is false.

[kreate]

it can disappear if MS does what they did with the 360.

if u want to release a game on the x1, u need to downscale ur game to the lowest common denominator which is the x1 so both platform will have identical specs.

and if developers are still scared of MS, than they will do so.

than it all goes back to sony's first party titles to show off the power of the ps4.

just like last gen.

lets see what happens.

but...

'Performance Gap Between Xbox One and PS4 Will Disappear, Says Oddworld Creator'

this statement if true, is also admitting that there is a performance gap between the 2 consoles.

[dantesparda]

@morepowerofgreen & maniacmayhem

I love this nonsense of the X1 GPU being "heavily customized", well guess what, so is the PS4's and all customized means here, is weakened, it has half the ROPs, 50% less CUs, teraflops and texture units, more the 50% less shaders, GPixels and GTexels and ACEs.

Also the bandwidth on the PS4 is at least 40-50% better/higher in real life and the proof is in the games, which already show anywhere from 125% to 44% improvements in resolution and usually higher framerates

Also PS4 has True Audio which is dedicated HW, so there goes your so-called audio advantage. And the PS4's CPU performs better than the X1's so there goes their faster clock. DirectX12 isnt going to do much for X1 when its just using X1's low level API anyway, so where's the advantage? And Sony's API will also continue to improve too. But you fanboys keep hoping and falling for the hype and bullsh*t. But i guess i would too if i was desperate.

And to maniac, its not just the faster RAM, its also the faster GPU and better development tools. And the games say "hi", you know all the games that were 1080 on the PS4 but only 720 on the X1, what did they just should not to do it? Face reality guy.

And the X1 GPU only does 1.31TF total, 10% of which is reseverd for Kinect bringing that down to 1.18TF and if they give back the 8% they claimed then it'll be 1.28TF, compared to 1.843TF.

The PS4 has the X1 beat, face it

[XBOTTOX]

I honestly wonder what you guys think is inside of the ps4. Its custom architecture. Nobody knows what you can pull out of these boxes

[Charybdis]

Yes and no. There is an general consensus of what is in these boxes based on teardowns and tech sheets its possible to determine performance of these boxes in theory, however real world performance might not approximate the theoretical max performances. Hardware wise by now it should be pretty easy to see that ps4 has the hardware advantage.

With the custom software devs are able to pull out more and will be able to use some hardware specific tricks,for example using certain gpu calculations.

[XBOTTOX]

I'm not really trying to be an argumentative fanboy but I have to disagree. The spec sheets don't mean a thing.

This is custom architecture through and through. There is no gaming rig with 8gbs of gddr5 by itself, there is pretty much nothing with esramn it. These GPUs are deriviants from a line of gaming cards but they are not PC gaming cards.

The whole APU thing in general is new, you haven't seen a game engine written for these new consoles and you don't know how the internals work.

Simple logic will tell you these consoles have not been pushed. I mean wouldn't that mean the Xbox one has a gig of gddr5 too since you think its a straight forward gpu?

And I just read your comment from earlier you seem uberly fanboyish Lool. 3os precious resources bottlenecks troll

[Illusive_Man]

PS4 is pretty much off the shelf parts.

http://www.kitguru.net/comp...

XBOTTOX there are workstations and very high end rigs with GDDR5. There is nothing with ESRAM.

[DeathOfTheFanBoy]

For me the main reason I bought the xb1 first is simply the fact I prefer MS exclusives, the graphical disparity's are minimal so I really don't mind aslong as I get to play KI, Forza, Ryse, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Max the curse of brotherhood, Titanfall, Dead Rising, Zoo Tycoon, Halo, Gears of War, D4, Project Spark, Fable, Below, Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare etc I'm very happy with my decision, Sony has literally one game I am interested in and that's it! (The Order) much more fun for me to have the xb1 for the time being.

[andrewsqual]

Lol you love "a" Insomniac Games game enough to put it on your list, a game that has no information but a CGI trailer and so that is a reason you got a Microsoft Xbox One console? Hey why stop there, you left games like Lococycle off that list.
I think this is the very reason to never ever pick up an Xbox console mate and they WILL do it again http://i.imgur.com/LknAc0R.... NEVER FORGET.

But hey, just like with 360 like you said, as long as the endless cycle of "Microsoft Exclusives" continue i.e Forza, Gears, Fable and Halo for the next 7 years, why wouldn't you pick an Xbone up. Just next time please don't list all the other games that you haven't and have no intention of ever purchasing given your taste.

[T2]

haha you are interested in zoo tycoon and sunset overdrive, project spark and others but you have zero interest in
uncharted, driveclub, project cars vr, little big planet, rhime, rapture, or many others that sony does as well or better.... LOL... yes that makes total sense. this is where fanboys get a bad name, this post right here.
you love all sorts of games, but only the "sorts" of games MS makes, how interesting please tell me more /s

[fonger08]

@andrewsqual and @joecanada... you two are joking me right? He's listing games he interested in just like everyone else does on this site... it's called preference. You want to act like people here don't list Sony exclusives that might or might not be real or just CGI trailers that they are "interested" in. People here are extremely interested in Uncharted 4 yet we've seen nothing on it.

[valet_Smerdyakov]

Wow, what a coincidence - you love every single existing and upcoming xbone game! Are you sure you didn't forget Powerstar Golf? I bet you were a big Insomniac fan when they developped exclusively for PS3 as well. ;-) Is your name an allusion to you commiting suicide... should I be worried?

[frostypants]

Dude, you just listed whatever exclusive games you could find. You're not really excited about freaking "Zoo Tycoon". Seriously...be honest...

[voodoochild346]

You've exposed yourself as a Microsoft fanboy when you listed gears of war as an anticipated title. No one who isn't a rabid fanboy would still be excited for the gears franchise after rifles of war 3 and "4 map" judgment.

[McScroggz]

It's statements like these that make me chuckle. You prefer the Xbox One's current and announced exclusives more than the PS4's? That's fine. No argument there.

But when you list basically every exclusive, including stuff like Max the Curse of Brotherhood, and go on to say there is literally only one game for the PS4 you're interested in it's just silly. Just admit that you bought the Xbox One because you are a Microsoft fanboy and move along. Trying to hide it makes it worse...

[joab777]

If it does then Sony is sleeping at the wheel. The hardware will always have a significant advantage. Yes, optimization will help xbone get better...but it will also help Sony. Lets not forget what their studios have been able to do with more similar hardware.

[Fantangoooo]

my thoughts exactly its not like Sony is gonna be waiting for microsoft to Upgrade and they wont improve themselves look at ps3, early gen and last of Us at the of it. Thus just MS would improve so would ps4 which would still win as i see it. The hardware is head and shoulders superior to X1. Thats just a fact.

[nosferatuzodd]

yeah and pigs will fly next Tuesday.. also uncharted is coming to xbox1.. and halo is going to the ps4.. yeah and the big foot monster is on display in NYC.. yeah and it will rain chocolate bars on Sundays, and we get an SOS from a distant galaxy with technology that rival the gods.. OK and America just won the world cup soccer tournament yeah and the moon isn't real its a figment of our imagination and they just discover that fairies and leprechauns are real and usain bolt is a white man in disguise and black ppl figured out how to fly

[stuna1]

Man you should do stand up! Now this is what a funny comment is! Bubbles lmao to the point of tears.

[incredibleMULK]

they can fly....but can they swim yet? They're always huddled up in the shallow end.

[ZombieDust]

Its actually a $10 difference with x1 being cheaper. If you really put your mind to it you will figure that one out.

[Kingnichendrix]

yeah, no it isn't...

[ZombieDust]

I wasnt suggesting whats a better deal or value... but yeah the xbox is currently cheaper if you plan on playing AAA title, which is usually the case (dont knkw why youd go next gen just for outlast or resogun, not denying their fun though) ... Denying is either fanboy rage or delusion.

[stuna1]

The only way the performance gap will disappear, is that developers across the boards institute industry wide parity! There's just one thing wrong with a plan like that! Sony's 1st party studios or any studio doing an exclusive title for Sony.

The gap in technical specifications are an undeniable truth!

Now of course if a developer makes a claim like this one also has to look at his motive behind a statement as such! Perhaps to sell well on both platforms. Although the possibility exist for games to become better optimized to do 1080p/60 fps, what about e extras that come along with that? Physics, global illumanation, particle effects,detructiable environments, day and simulation, weather simulation, etc, etc etc.

[Evilsnuggle]

Xbone fanBoys can dream the gap between PS4 vs xbone will never close. Does that mean that xbone will never run games at 1080p no. Xbone is weak hardware and has lower expectations . This is next-gen and xbone is shooting for all games in 1080p. Now all games are already in 1080p on PS4. The PS4 is trying to boost games frame-rates higher than 30fps to 60fps. The xbone will never run games at 1080p 60fps the hardware is to weak for that. The only game that are in 1080p 60fps on xbone is sport games. Because there is less things to render. Sport games are plain open environment Or static graphics like Forza5. The xbone doesn’t have the power to run a open world game at 1080p 60fps. It's 4 months and games are running in 1080p 60fps on PS4. Deep down 3d open world looks amazing on PS4 it runs 1080p 60fps. The PS4 has more GPU advantages than xBone . The PS4 has 400 % more ACEs PS4 8 xbone 2 ACEs. The PS4 double the ROPs PS4 32 ROPs vs 16 ROPs Xbone. PS4 has HUMA and xbone doesn’t have HUMA Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access. The xbone doesn’t have Uniform Memory Access because xbone doesn’t have Uniform Memory it has 32Esram. These differences are going to widened the gap between PS4 vs xbone. ND is optimizing PS4 memory system and using HUMA on PS4 . ND said that the PS4 can easily run games at 1080p 60fps. The PS4 1 party games are going to crush games on xbone. Look at infamous SS , Killzone Sf and The Order 1886 All true next-gen game. The xbone has one game that looks next-gen that's ryse. Ryse is a QTE auto kills button mashing with crappy game play ported from kinect.
truefan1
Killzone Sf multiplayer is in full 1080p 60fps and its a launch title

DeathOfTheFanBoy
I respect that you like The reason why you choose Xbone is it's exclusive games. I own a 360 and I hate Microsoft exclusives . They are all third-party shooters and Americanize action games. I prefer Sony exclusive . I think DeathOfTheFanBoy has a valid reason why he prefer xbone.
http://n4g.com/news/1476687...

[randomass171]

PS4 has much better specs than Xbox One, that's definitely for sure. Doesn't mean all developers plan to take advantage of that. If you're going to argue against "Xbox fanboys" or Lorne Lanning, take the time to understand what is being said here.

[purpleblau]

This is bullshit. Performance gap will disappear means that XBone is catching up and PS4 remains on the spot. If Xbone tries to improve, there is no reason that PS4 won't try the same. Sorry, Oddworld is not a tech leading game design firm despite I liked their games back in 1997.

[amnalehu]

@nifonge I totally agree. Even if they were both $399 the PS4 would still be the better value. how someone could disagree with facts boggles the mind.

[fonger08]

I'm used to it... it's generally because I used basic math... 1 + 1 does not equal 2 here.

[Baccra17]

The gap will dissappear. Just give MS a little bit of time to find that magical fairy dust and the gap will dissappear just like that.

[TheTwelve]

Will the X1 magically grow new hardware muscles?

[Kingnichendrix]

You can download better hardware from then internet ;)

[lelo]

So much fuss about the hardware... when you guys should care more about the exclusives.

Typical fanboys...

[2pacalypsenow]

well the article is about the hardware...

[t-hall785]

50 dollar gap but comes with kinect and a free game. It's a better deal right now actually

[StrawberryDiesel420]

Haha that's pretty subjective and easily up for debate. I'm not going near the Bone until it's $350 and has some amazing games I can't live without. Then, maybe they will see my money, just maybe....

[imt558]

Kojima said before :

"PS4 and Xbone POWER DIFFERENCE IS MINIMAL..."

http://www.videogamer.com/x...

John Carmack said before similar thing!

Difference WILL DISAPEAR!!??

WHERE AND WHEN????

I don't see it in future.

[Kingnichendrix]

Yes and its shown in Kojima's game, you know the one with better graphics on ps4?

[McScroggz]

Well, Kojima later stated that Ground Zeroes looks much better on the PS4 and even made a video showing the differences between the different versions. The fact is the PS4 is more powerful in almost ever way and is more streamlined for developing. The Xbox One may improve it's SDK more than the PS4 and subsequently "reduce the gap" so to speak, but there will always be a difference between the two.

If the developers don't take advantage of the extra horsepower on the PS4, that doesn't mean that it isn't more powerful.

[nucky64]

agreed, nifonge. and anyways, for an answer to this question, i'd rather have the opinion of a developer that matters - and lorne lanning is NOT one of them.

[system22]

You Guys need to learn more about the hardware of both systems. The ps4 is NOT 50% more powerful than the x1 as people keep saying. You can't just take the number of cores/gpu/compute/ and multiply it and have a linear power scale. I am not disputing that in addition to the PS4 being more powerful it is also easier to develop for on account of the architecture of the x1 (small chunk of esram, big chunk of ddr3 etc) what I am disputing is the amount of the power. The differences in power are actually not that big and I think the point of this article is that those differences in power will be imperceivable to a majority of users as dev tools, familiarity and skill of devs increase over the span of the consoles. Also, the x1's cloud ability is very real no matter how many close minded fanboys laugh at it, and it too will only be able to offer more power and ability to the console as it grows. I don't see huge mind blowing differences between the two consoles as is now and I own both. Its not like I go from the ps4 to the x1 and it looks like a console from 15 years ago. Ryse is still a visually more impressive game to me than even Infamous (which I own both). I know Ryse is only 900p (1600x 900) but it still looks damn good - even if it is kind of a crap game. Besides - if you are so hardcore about resolution and framerate, you shouldn't be on consoles period. You break out the wallet and you buy a PC. You'll be laughing at 1080p/60 fps.

[Eddie20101]

If one console is already better hard ware and software wise and they both improve over time, the one that started out better will always be the better system.

Oddworld isn't pushing any boundaries, it's not a game that you would measure next gen systems by. It will be a great game because it was already a great game when it was on PS1.

Lorn Lanning does a lot of flip flopping when come to his opinions on consoles, he's just being a PR man for his game.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Xbox One does a helluva lot more, besides having a better game library. The ps4 is nothing more than a glorified ps3.

Of course this site is riddled with fanboys. N4g flames the fire by mingling comments for each system.

[Eddie20101]

They could put Shoots and Ladders on Xbox one you would say the same thing.

Your dumb enough to think you are not a fanboy.

PS4 has 28 games that rate 75 and above on Metacritic and a total of 49 games. Most third party games run and look better on PS4. Fact not fiction.

Xbox One has 14 games that rate 75 and above on Metacritic and a total of 36 games.

[Bdub2000]

The gap will never disappear! There is no chance in hell that the PS4 could ever match the X1!!!

[Bdub2000]

By disagreeing, you are admitting that the x1 is more powerful and you think the ps4 could match the x1... LOL.

[Eddie20101]

By not facing reality and writing a stupid comment, you are showing how much of a fanboy retard you are.

[marcofdeath]

There are many people that spread misinformation about the two machines. I would like to address just two of them today. I will first start with the PS4 memory system.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

The PS4 memory system.
GDDR5 176GB/s System Memory Bus 256bits wide
Available on one bus called garlic.
Let's compare this to the memory system for a HD 7970 GPU.
HD 7970 288GB/s 384bits wide
PS4 GDDR5 176GB/s 256bits wide

As you can see here the HD 7970 has a slight edge in both gigabytes per second and bit rate or how wide the data structure is. Now let's add the Xbox 360's Edran Memory to logic.

HD 7970 288GB/s 384bits wide
PS4 GDDR5 176GB/s 256bits wide
360 EDRAM 256GB/s 128bits wide

At this point you should start to see a pattern the EDRAM although fast is performing at a much lower bit rate of exactly how that of the PlayStation 4 so it would not be the better performer.I will now add one more example of stacked RAM low end from AMD's upcoming future GPU.

Stacked 150GB/s 1028bits wide
HD 7970 288GB/s 384bits wide
PS4 GDDR5 176GB/s 256bits wide
360 EDRAM 256GB/s 128bits wide

Here you can see that the stacked RAM has a slower gigabytes per second but what it dominates in the bit rate of 3.5X more than the 7970 4X of the PS4 and 5X of the 360 edran.Now for the Xbox ones complicated memory system which acted this you will understand why there is room to grow because you have a great amount of bandwidth left where in PS4 you do not.

I will start with the hot chips slide.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Please read this article thoroughly everything I say is implicitly backed up by this article and the video of Xbox one with major Nelson. We start with the fact that Xbox one memory controllers act as one. The GPU can simultaneously access both pools of memory.
I will not use peak rates and only will use real world numbers, caution may be higher.

Esram 160GB/s 4x 256bits wide = 1024bits wide +
DDR 3 50GB/s 4x 64bits wide = 256bits wide =

XB1 210GB/s 1280bits wide
Stacked 150GB/s 1028bits wide
HD 7970 288GB/s 384bits wide
PS4 GDDR5 176GB/s 256bits wide
360 EDRAM 256GB/s 128bits wide

Why else in the rise PDF of techniques to make the game did the programmer say "Target hardware not as powerful as high-end PC at launch."
http://www.crytek.com/downl...
At E3 the beast will awaken.

Now I will go into the complexity of Xbox ones memory system all backed up by the hotchips slides in conjunction with the DF articles.

[Kingnichendrix]

Are you Kidding me... the 7970 has almost 4 terraflops the xbox one and ps4 dont even have that combined...

[marcofdeath]

Facts are facts the math will not change. Right now MS has to get the SDK right but you saw a 4TF pc running FMS5 and it did not maintain 60FPS as XB1 did. XB1 has the highest BW and room to get better.

[DarkHeroZX]

xboxachievements.com

hmm.... I wonder.....

Na this site couldn't be biased.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

I often wonder why people assume that there arent some game engineers on this site...I found out about this site at work, from a fellow dev.. On topic: there is a hardware difference. that cant change via software. that isnt how it works. thats all. yes the xb1 will get better over time. the same is true for the ps4. it wont close. thats silly PR talk.

[gamer7804]

its really 10$ cheaper to get an xbox providing you want one of the 2 flagship games, forza or titnalfall. But it could be you don't want those games and would rather have infamous, then its not a better deal, but to say flat out its a better deal to get either of the 2, its just wrong.

[Matt666]

i wonder how many of you supported the 360 and didn't like the ps3, then jumped ship, does it matter about the performance, no as long as you enjoy the games that are exclusive to that console

[Neonridr]

Can't see anything changing really. As developers learn the ins and outs of the Xbox One and are able to do more with it, the same can be said about the advancements using the PS4.

Because the PS4 started with more juice, there will always be a higher ceiling for PS4 software.

[Volkama]

But neither platform will ever reach the ceiling.

PS3 and 360 are not at their respective ceilings. If those consoles were still the focus for another 3 years then the current bar would be raised still further.

If the One really did start in such a poor state as some people claim then it makes sense that the gap will close. Not likely it'll catch or surpass the PS4, but stranger things have happened.

[Dudebro90]

Ps3 and 360 are at their ceilings. Dev have been trying to put more advanced effects for awhile now, but just cant do it without sacrificing something somewhere.

[Volkama]

They're pushed hard, but you can't really say they're at their ceiling until you can perceive that the visual quality has plateaued. That's not the case, TLOU and GTAV were technically superior to anything before them.

If Naughty Dog made TLOU2 on the ps3 and it was the same quality as TLOU, then you could say that's a ceiling reached.

I think Carmack commented that there was still many years left before it'd be impossible to improve those platforms.

I'm not saying this makes the PS4's raw hardware advantage irrelevant or less significant, just pointing out that the ceiling isn't an absolute answer because it will not be reached.

[ShowGun901]

the "ceiling" is an abstract, because it all comes down to who's using it... just like a cars specs, an inferior car might get a better lap time if it has a better driver. ND can push the ps3 further than other devs, but most devs have reached the limit of the last-gen about 2 years ago IMO...

examples: dark souls 1 & 2 look graphically similar, so much so that you could probably trick someone. dynasty warriors 7 & 8 look similar. Halo 3 & 4.

you MIGHT get a super talented team that MIGHT squeeze 5% more outta these machines, but really, you're only gonna get so much out of half a gig of ram...

[ThanatosDMC]

Carmack, again? When was the last time did that guy make a decent game?

[Death]

You are assuming both came out of the box with the same learning curve. How many devs have prasied ease of development on the PS4? How many devs complained about the complex eSram?

[torchic]

go home Death, your arguments are lame.

in fact, your argument blew up right in your face. 360 was easier to code for than PS3 and despite PS3 being more powerful, in the hands of multiplat devs 360 almost always came out on top.

this generation, PS4 is easier to code for AND more powerful. beating the learning curve for Xbox One will only bring it to its initial theoretical performance, it won't add to the power and performance initially available.

[Volkama]

His argument is not lame, you just don't like it because it leverages your own points against you.

If the XBox One is so hard to develop for and the PS4 so easy then you can expect greater improvements from the XBox, therefore the gap will be closed to some extent. That's pretty simple logic.

Your own argument should be that the PS4 has loads of untapped potential because GPCompute has not been mastered, but if you want to fly that flag then you should be aware that you cannot carry your "PS4 is easy to develop for!" flag at the same time.

[Death]

@torchic,

That was only true for the first year or two as middleware improved on the PS3 and devs became more comfortable with the platform. As time went by, the PS3 became the lead platform for many third party games which made them look and play as good if not better than their 360 counterpart. The system really shined with Uncharted and the Last of Us at the end of the generation.

[scott182]

One could argue that the X1 is not nearly as difficult to try and learn as the ps3 was, because all the tech in it is basically standard, just set up in a strange way.

The PS3 was unique because when devs did figure out how to program for each individual SPU they got a lot more out of the processor and were able to improve games performance. But it never negated the GPU advantage of the 360, even though it wasn't as dramatic of a difference as it is this gen between the two gpu's, the 360's was always stronger and had better shading the entire gen.

The ps3 vs. x1 is not a good comparison, because the performance boost from learning how SPU's function is not the same as milking a tiny bit of ram.

[Kakashi Hatake]

So less powerful specs will suddenly be as good as more powerful specs. Seems Legit...

[boeso]

I think he means people will come to accept it, people will stop talking about it. Gap disappears. Maybe.

[No_Limit]

No it won't, it will only get larger say unknown insiders at Neogaf and tweet an hour later!

But seriously, the PS4 should always be a bit stronger due to a better GPU and a faster Ram set, can't deny that but both should improve over time and some amazing stuff will be seen.

[Computersaysno]

Gotta love that magic to make inferior graphics hardware much faster.

Oh wait, that's not magic, it's called gimping one version

[T2]

LOL ya, now when this developer comes out with their game and they both look the same, we already know why.... ps4 is basically a custom pc, no excuse for making smooth ports except pure incompetence or moneyhat

[ThanatosDMC]

No, it's called Cloud powerz from the Smokes and Mirrors faeries.

[nope111]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photo...

[sic_chops]

M$: "Hey Lorne, here's 20 grand. Thanks for making it sound good."

[Fireseed]

So let me get this straight... the guy who's making a game on the PS4 first and not bothering to release it on the Xbox simultaneously... is being moneyhatted by MS...

Do you just throw that term at whatever you don't like?

[SixtyNine]

“I think they’ve been improving the toolset really fast, improving the development environment and shaving that curve down… I think they’re getting comparable.”

They've always been comparable. It'll just take others a bit more time to realize that.

[svoulis]

SO ...somehow overtime the weaker console will grow better hardware, and Magically be on PAR with the already more powerful console?

Hm, I firmly believe software drives hardware (look at games like GTAV and you'll understand) but honestly, The gap is far to wide this time around to warrant that kind of wishful thinking. Take it as you will but buy the system you want for the games you want to play, or do what I did and accept the fact that PS4 is more powerful and just enjoy both(meaning buy both).

[incendy35]

To be honest, X1 already feels more powerful. The multitasking is pretty amazing, especially during March Madness haha. The multiplats play pretty much exactly the same, just you can do more on X1 due to the multitasking nature.

On paper, maybe PS4 is more powerful, but until they actually start delivering experiences that show off the power that is useless.

[Hicken]

Sounds like PR speak.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Or talk from a developer whom many here just days ago praised tons of love for because of his very frank no bs attitude.

[maniacmayhem]

Hilarious, anyone who says anything to paint MS's console on par with PS4 is automatically labeled PR talk from most on this site.

Any dev who praises the PS4 has the most powerful machine ever is speaking the truth and is a hero.

Lord forbid anyone just speak the truth. What would this developer lose? Especially when MS put this company through hell according to past stories.

Stop being bias, read and think about what this person is saying.

[BcozoftheImplication]

I call Bullshit!! Meh...

[CJDUNCAN]

Maybe it's me but the disparity only seems to be graphical in nature. Is the gameplay different at all? No, beyond console specific content.

When X1 games begin doing 1080p on a regular basis what will be the issue then? We get it the price doesn't seem to suggest better. People want to get the bang for their buck and that's with everything they purchase. But the PS4 extremists make it seem like it's impossible for the X1 to have a multi-plat game that looks and plays just as good on the PS4. Or that the X1 will gimp games for the PS4.

By all accounts it's just not true, even the launch games showed that even at a lower resolution the X1 can look gorgeous and play at a smooth frame rate.

Why did most reviewers of Battlefield 4 think it looked better on the X1 when it had a higher resolution on the PS4?

So as the parity decreases, do what we should've been doing...enjoying the games regardless of your platform of choice.

[2cents]

He stated that oddworld is not battlefield so they are not pushing the hardware that far, also that they will be able to achieve the look they are aiming for on both consoles.

I find the Sony defence force so sensitive. Bless them.

But but but... were still more powerful right? RIGHT???

As if the world would end If the xbox one managed equal output in multiplat games.

[BigErn]

The world won't end, because that won't happen :)

[2cents]

Bazinga!!!

:)

[Budobear]

He doesn't actually talk about the difference in the end results graphics wise, all he talks about is the difference in getting stuff onto the console.
He says it was quicker on the PS4 but now the xboxone has systems in place to help its just as quick to get the stuff on there.
I think the difference in looks will get closer but if they are developed to the max for each console they will never be exactly the same.

[pornflakes]

Graphics GAP will be LOW just like last gen in the multiplatform sector

But this gen, there is one difference. Devs are choosing more and more the PS4 since the hardware is easier to develope for. With the more Power, PS4 will always bring FULL HD picture while the xONe will maybe stay at 720 - 900p, depending on the Engine.

Its good for Microsoft that with DX12 they will give devs the option to easily port a game from PC to the xBox one and more optimization tools.

Remember also, that the bigger TV you have the bigger difference from HD ready to Full HD is noticable.

If you play like me on a 32 inch TV you wont see ANY difference. But nowadays PPL buy at least 46 inch TVS

Sony did all right in this gen expect the low batterie life in the DS4 controller :)

[MegaDan]

Sellout devs giving Xbots false hope.
GDDR5 > DDR3

[corroios]

Of course it will. The power of the cloud, the magic of the Esram, with the dual GPU, the new SDK, and the DX12.

This all combined will allow Halo 5 in 4k/120frames/3D

[Coach_McGuirk]

lots of funny, uninformed comments here

[DEEBO]

Read the article 1st before you comment,he said his game is not taxing the hardware like battlefield 4 so the game will look the same and the x1 and the ps4 are like the ps2(x1) and xbox(ps4). the hardware is set in stone and ps4 is the better then the x1 when it comes to running games.

Sure developers are going to get better at coding but still there will always be a difference.

Why do people always talk about the x1's games like they are GOTY titles?
I played ryse,ki,titanfall and dead rising 3 and they are not all of that.

I have two games for my x1 titanfall and ki and they are fun but nothing special.

[staticdash22]

Oh, that makes sense. The game is not taxing the hardware

[ybadr]

Lol, Does this dude understand what Hardware means ?

[paulogy]

Remember, an ease of development gap closing is not the same as a game performance gap closing...

[paulogy]

To this end, that developer has now replied saying this very thing:
"I spoke to Lorne afterwards and what he meant when speaking to that guy was that budgets, schedules and perceivable differences would narrow, NOT that the Xbox One performance is improving to align with PS4, that is just physically impossible."
http://www.worldsfactory.ne...

[mochachino]

All it means is that devs will be working harder to make the xone version equal instead of getting the best out of BOTH consoles.

[Father__Merrin]

ps4 is simply physically more powerful speced console,

there is nothing Xbox can ever do about that, nothing, no matter how hard you try you will never never never ever compete

it's best if that's just accepted tbh, otherwise the truth will keep on hurting

[04STIBluByU]

MS fans need to calm down because Sony fans never said you wouldn't ever get 1080p. 1080p will happen but at what cost? Framerate, particle effects, AA, MSAA, Treseffect, little things here and there is what will make up the differences between the two consoles because of the DDR3 and 32MB of eSRAM vs DDR5. MS fans just need to be happy in their purchase and stop worrying about superiority! Your not the best or fastest, just be happy with what you chose to get and stop being in denial. #DealWithIt!

[SixtyNine]

Neither of the consoles are as capable as you'd like to think. They aren't scalable like a full fledged PC is. The hardware in PS4 and ONE are concrete, and will never change.

Measures are also taken to achieve high resolution and frame-rates on PS4 too. infamous is 30FPS, BF4 is running 900P on PS4, not saying that any of this is bad, because Performance and stability over anything else is logical.

[cruzngta]

Gentlemen let us all not forget about the one variable in this game that will inevitably keep MS and it's XB1 in this graphics battle till doomsday and that is.....
SECRET SAUCE!!!! Yeah ok. Forget all that. PS4 is and ALWAYS will be more powerful and will get better in time and INCREASE it's advantages on the Bone. I also own both machines and enjoy them for what they are but I am not delusional or biased. I can honestly tell anyone the PS4 is superior but I love certain games that only Xbox One will deliver. In the end gamers all win. Both are great but PS4 is the true NEXT GEN machine.

[Gamer666]

Really, these two consoles are "tuned" to be strong in different ways...

PS4 is tuned for graphical improvements.

X1 is tuned for gameplay improvements.

You can see this from the launch lineup. Sony was touting 1080p / 60 fps in much the same gameplay we have seen since last generation. Microsoft was talking about DR3 zombie numbers/uniqueness onscreen, Forza Drivatars, etc.

[curtis92]

PS4 isn't tuned for gameplay improvements? That really sounds like MS justification for weaker hardware.

[Gamer666]

So what gameplay improvements have we seen in the PS4 games to date that have not been implemented in other games recently?

OK. I'll stretch and give you the KZ Drone... We haven't seen that type of drone in another game.

But, look at X1... Drivatars in Forza are very cool and to my knowledge no other game has attempted to take people's gameplay, analyze it, and then put it other gamer's game worlds as AI. Also, name one zombie game that has as many zombies onscreen at once as DR3. And name another shooter that combines the mech and FPS world like Titanfall. Next will be Kinect Sports Rivals where it will scan you and create a virtual you in the game.

Microsoft has focused their exclusives on gameplay changes. Sony has focused theirs on graphics...

I'm not saying one is better than the other. This is an observation of the types of things we are seeing from the two consoles. Sony is rabid about graphics because that is what PS4 is really good at... MS is rabid about changes to gameplay which is what they've designed their console to do...

MS will improve their graphical abilities as the generation rolls on and Sony will improve their gameplay innovations as the generation rolls on.

That is great for gamers on both sides!

[curtis92]

if it disappears then we only have devs like Rocksteady to thank for it. Better specs are better specs.

Parity kills better specs. Ask PC gamers.

[ikk47]

Hahahahahahahaha abracadabra!!! And the gap disappears :p

[AutoCad]

People dont believe an actual developer but believe a random source from Gaf.

Only n4g

[jessupj]

No, most of us are just using a little bit of common sense applied to the facts we have known for a while.

Also his words are being taken out of context. I believe he was referring to the developments kits and ease of development.

[jnemesh]

Why would a dev studio put in the effort to "maximize" an Xbox One title when the majority of the market is playing on a Playstation? As the gap gets wider, there will be less and less incentive to prioritize Xbox development. By the end of next year, no one will even care about the X1.

[Flames76]

I dont think so i just cant see the PS4 matching anything on the Xbox One.Hell Ryse is still the best looking game out.Plus BF4 on the X1 blows the PS4 version out of the water.I believe as time goes on the X1 will leave the PS4 behind just like the Xbox 360 did the PS3.I will say second son looks very nice but still cant match Ryse

[Budobear]

Plus BF4 on the X1 blows the PS4 version out of the water.

Pardon?
On which planet does the X1 blow the PS4 version of BF4 out of the water? Everything I've seen and read indicates its the other way round.
Colour me confused.

[StrawberryDiesel420]

He is obviously a Bone Fan

[StrawberryDiesel420]

Are you ok? Ryse is a screen tear festival so don't rant about the graphics, Infamous smokes that shit as it's VSYNCED WITH NO FRAME DROPS! B4 for the XBone is 720p while PS4 is 900p, are you retarded?

[ambivalentFRYER]

You're the retarded one if you think Infamous runs at a locked 30fps, because it most certainly does not. It drops into the mid 20's on occasion during heavy action. There was a whole digital foundry test on it.

It's v-synced, yeah, so there's no screen tear.

[koliosis]

The power of the cloud will save us all mwahahahaha

[CrowbaitBob]

I don't see it happening. I loved Ryse, but my experience with both consoles has led me to believe the Ryse/Killzone level of graphics will be standard on PS4 going forward while that level of polish won't be nearly as common on the Xbox One.

Call me crazy, but I really believe the Xbox One wasn't designed with a primary focus on advancing anything related to gaming. The fact that they ripped out so much of what worked so well on the 360 kind of bares that out. The Xbox One is a plenty competent console, but the PS4 seems like a much more focused piece of tech where gaming is concerned.

I've always been Xbox first in the past, along with so many of my friends, but after experiencing both systems hands on it's been crazy how many of us have simply been underwhelmed by the Xbox One and pleasantly surprised by the PS4 on so many levels. It's like Sony fixed everything we disliked about the PS3 and Microsoft ripped out everything we loved about the 360.

[Illusive_Man]

You would know this based on what? Your hand in designing the X1?

[CrowbaitBob]

@Illusive_Man

If I were involved in the design of the Xbox One I would have started with a very simple formula. Keep what made the Xbox 360 a great console then add enhancements.

I think it should be pretty obvious I had absolutely nothing to do with the design of the Xbox One.

[Sci0n]

very well said and yet three butthurt X1 lovers disagree with you. You spoke nothing but the truth. The 360 was built with the focus of gaming as whole. I bought 360 because it came out before PS3 and I wanted to experience next gen back then and before my consoles started getting the rrod I had lots of fun and made allot of cool friends on XBL. Then the PS3 eventually came out and while the cell was cool it took developers awhile to figure it out and some never did while the 360 was easy to develope for and bad a better gpu. Exclsuices shined well on PS3 but multiplats always got the short end of the stick. As far as PS4 vs X1 goes boy has the tables turned.

[kewlkat007]

Lol..when you look at an apple iPhone vs a Samsung phone and compare hardWare then you realize "optimization" is key to getting the most you can out of your hardware. Ask Apple.

[Goku781]

You know how that sounds? One day the performance gap between a Honda Civic and a GTR will disappear. It called wishful thinking. Still laughable though.

[StrawberryDiesel420]

Well, technically speaking PS4 is more capable than XBone so I'm not sure how true this is. This is one developer's opinion, not a fact. Only time will tell, though as of right now there's a huge difference between the Bone and PS4 in terms of price and performance. I waited for all the dust to settle before I picked up a next gen console. Initially was gonna go with the Bone but decided to get PS4 after seeing how much more powerful PS4 truly is. My personal opinion is it will get much worse for the XBone as Devs further utilize the power of PS4.

[MattE]

Lol.. mass panic

Ps4 will be more powerful for the remainder of gen in terms of hardware but there will be a cieling, which will also be reached by xb1

[gamertk421]

Can't wait until there are more games available and people tire of these pointless arguments in a forum where no one will be swayed.

[cruzngta]

Where does Battlefield 4 on XB1 blow away the PS4 version? I have both and you can see the difference in terms of visual clarity with PS4's 900p versus XB1's 720p. Both do look great though.

[anonjohn23]

The only reason the performance gap is "disappearing" is because a lot of developers choose to make the graphics as equal as possible, but we all know one can handle more than the other.

[Yaay4me]

Disclaimer: this is not a fanboy comment, just to be clear.This is an EA developer correct? (Im assuming) EA is aligned with xbox this generation, just like Activision and to some extent Ubisoft have aligned with Playstation. Its not surprising that a developer whose interests demand parity will make a comment about gap closing (to some extent he is talking about developing games w a focus on making sure the xbox version will b comparable by taking advantage of software to that effect) on the other hand, you have developers in Sony's camp saying there will be no efforts to achieve parity. That means they wont go out of their way to make sure the xbox version keeps up with the PS4 version of their games. Because their focus is on the PS4 and they want to take full advantage of its more powerful hardware. As far as patches and software like DX12 etc... There will be software upgrades on both consoles. They will improve each console but they wont actually be "clossing" any gap between the two hardwares. You can think of it in the same light as tunning cars. If you have a more powerful engine to begin with, the upgrades yeild higher gains. That doesnt mean you cant uprade a V4 engine to performe like a V6, but once you upgrade the V6 you gain even more. So no, i dont think any gaps will be closed by upgrades like Dx12. But they are always a welcome change to the performance of each console to reach its own potential. (Just like adding an ECU and an air intake^_^)

[urwifeminder]

Smart comment from this dev Sony should give him a job , I hear they are hiring.

[The_devils_chum]

Were going to hear alot how the cloud and Dx12 are going to really really change things because titanfall didnt save them.

[D3ATH_DRIV3R_777]

There will never be a gap between those systems, ever! PS4 is roaring strong like a lion while the XBOX ONE is purring like a kitten. But however as the XBOX tends to advance in performance of graphics etc, the PS4 will also advance in terms of graphics, etc. Will it end anytime soon? i highly doubt it! XBOX ONE will never close that gap with the PS4, so the knuckle dragging xbots fanboys keep dreaming about it, along with dopey looking moron phil spencer to! duhhhhhh! LMFAO

[killagram]

Oddworld creator wasn't able to finish his sentence:

"Performance gap between Xbox One and PS4 will disappear.....when developing cross platform titles".

F#ck parity.

[cyclindk]

As much as I know this is a part of every generation, with all the negativity surrounding Microsoft since before launch (legitimate negativity) it is difficult to think this isn't a nudge at a dev on part of somebody from Microsoft to give something positive on their floundering X1...

Happy if it works out, but... things have not been working out...

[C4xDvnt]

Hello all, from what I have seen time and time again is how hardware will dictate performance and in a sense this is very true back in the Atari days up to the Nintendo 64 days and dreamcast, playstation etc. There is no denying that the playstation 4 is a powerhouse when it comes to raw power but it is up to the developers to get the most out of the console. Now before I say anything further understand that I own a playstation 2 and 3 BUT I also owned a xbox and xbox 360. My dilemma with the difference between the 2 next gen consoles is that although one may be physically stronger the gap WILL be closed over time for one reason and one reason only MONEY! Time is money in the game industry and business 101 you make products for the least amount of money and that includes time to make. Where am I getting at with all of this? PlayStation although great in hardware an in games will set a cap for itself, Let me explain. No matter how great a game may look it can always look better and play better. It is time and money that will dictate if a game will be released at an acceptable state for buyers to enjoy. This is the realistic way of business. So for infamous, although great it maybe could have been better but time is a constraint so they put out what they can at the time they are given. For Microsoft they will get better in time. Yes the hardware is not as good as PS4 in hardware, BUT there is a cap in what we consider "next gen" with the whole 1080p and 60fps. When a console is to hit the cap of 1080p and 60fps where do you go from there. Polygons maybe? But again how much time will a company put into this? Time is money right? With that being said I think that the gap will be closed not because of the hardware but that the developers making these games will try to hit the cap of 1080p and 60fps. Once that is hit why work any harder since that is what we want as gamers right?..Like any other business they will do what they consider the minimum and although we think its great trust me they can always do better. Don't let them fool you, trust me ive been a GM for various branches and they all work the same. The gap will close and there will be something else that we may point out and so on but eventually both consoles will hit the cap and by then a new gen will be coming out.

[tommygunzII]

It's really still all about the games, and PlayStation has them. It would still be my top choice even if it was the inferior machine.

[KontryBoy706]

This being from a site called "xboxachievements". THE END.

[heisenberguk]

Or if you're Rocksteady you just gimp the other version! Problem solved!!

[Duke19]

Technically disappear? I doubt it

Disappear in the sense that once games start looking/performing very close to each other on either machine to the point where noone except die hard fanboys really care? Sure

[HaydenJameSmith]

This 50% more powerful thing is total BS how does 18 compute units vs 12 equal 50% better(its 33% at most), every xbox basher here is ignorant to the xbox one potential...

The PS4 has a GPU dedicated to every resource of a game including audio processing, decompression etc. and has relatively weak CPU so it needs a more powerful GPU to make up for it. Both Consoles have a theoretical performance of PS4 1.84TF and Xbox One 1.32TF but xbox one has dedicated chips for audio processing and what not, plus its clocked higher than the PS4 GPU, Xbox one has 853MHz and PS4 has 800MHz(but yes the PS4 has more hardware behind it which it needs for other purposes) and the xbox one has a faster CPU, PS4 has 1.6Ghz vs Xbox One 1.75Ghz. The only thing that PS4 has an major advantage with atm is its 8GB GDDR5 Ram which is a very fast RAM (up to 176Gbps), been used to create g buffer to render games at 1080p very easily and the Xbox one has 8GB of DDR3 Ram which isnt as fast (68Gbps) coupled with Super Fast intergrated ESRAM 32MB (up to 198Gbps) and while some developers are claiming its been a bottleneck atm, that is because of it cant get the full potential out of it yet because of the late SDK drivers for Xbox One... Other Developers have said with following SDKs we'll see much improvement with performance

http://www.slashgear.com/xb...

Quote:
Bolcato suggests that "a new SDK that’s much faster" will be released soon "will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One.

MS have shown that there is great advantages with ESRam with the use of Tiled Resources and when that potential is met I dont think we'll see anymore games at less than 1080p and 30fps

Everyone will say but look at the multiplat games but in reality the xbox one launched with unfinished SDKs, you know the things developers need to make and design games easier, and alot of missing features on the console itself its basically a beta console atm its been confirmed that the Sony had SDKs were ready for Developers 9 months prior to the release of PS4... The Console its releasing in 25+ more countries in sept which is probably when we will see all multiplat games be on par with each other. I dunno how much impact other things like DX12 will have on the console but I do not no enough about it to comment. But anyone who says the xbox one has weak hardware might aswell be saying the ps4 has weak hardware cause there both very similar in terms of specs and power... and I own both consoles and am showing no bias in this comment. I just do not think that PS4 is remarkably more powerful than the Xbox one which alot of comments here would have you believe...

Edit: Plus Id like to point out this an actual developer who is a valid source of how powerful the consoles are, which one here has actually developed games for the PS4 or X1, so he'd know alot more about the ins and outs of the hardware than any of ye plus its all custom hardware so Sony and MS will be updating and making things easier every year for developers...

[imt558]

Dude, PS4 also has DEDICATED AUDIO CHIP ( and even better than Xbone's audio chip ) :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

PS4 CPU need less resources and according to some test, PS4 CPU is FASTER

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://gamingbolt.com/subst...

http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-i...

A poster on Neogaf called Matt, who is a well known and respected developer on both next gen consoles, had the following to say during a discussion about the merits of each consoles CPU

"Yes, you can get more out of the PS4′s CPU than you can the Xbox’s"

[HaydenJameSmith]

Not to Disagree with you but both consoles use the exact same 8 core Jaguar CPU from AMD, and both were originally clocked at the same speed... MS claimed to supposedly upclock the Xbox One's CPU from 1.6Ghz to 1.75Ghz in a effort to get the x1 on parity with PS4 im assuming...

Sony never officially said they clocked up their CPU or anything which implies they didnt do anything to it.

And I dont think there audio chip is better than X1's. Aparently MS Team are proud of it the audio chip
Crytek had this to say about Xbox Ones sound block: " Essentially the hardware is performing calculations on audio data, handling the decode of audio that is encoded in XMA, Microsoft's proprietary, designed-for-game-audio, encode/decode compression algorithm. It takes weight off the main processing cores by using this optimised processor, which is approximately twice as powerful as the 360's, which means we can have higher voice counts, that is more sounds playing simultaneously. Also it supports the 7.1 surround sound architecture, which vastly improves the 3D localisation of sounds and the immersive audio environments we have created for Ryse."

I think in those tests you would have the CPU maybe running faster with the more powerful GPU in the PS4 calcualting textures faster than the x1... and were any of those tests taking into consideration the move engines in the xbox one which is suppose to reduce overhead on the cpu and gpu... I doubt it plus the Xbox One has 3 Operating Systems to juggle so maybe thats why its under perfroming a little... it probably needed to be upclocked.

Crytek had this to say about Xbox One's Move Engines: "Xbox One's move engine has proven to be quite useful to us by accelerating streaming of texture data, etc. How well that fares overall and compares to the prowess of PS4's compute engines remains to be seen and likely depends on the specific type of game you want to build."

EDIT:
I wouldn't believe anything I'd hear from Insiders, there not a reliable source hence why i dnt read MsX and Neogaf etc. there not reliable, at the end of the day what is actually said from the 2 companys is what people can rely on...
PS4's Audio block (ACP): According to info from a Sony presentation a while back, Playstation 4's audio block will perform operations such as audio encoding and decoding for stuff like voice chat, as well as other basic audio processes. It can handle around 200 Mp3 (or equivalent) audio streams at once, and will leave more complex audio processes up to the CPU to perform. It will not be programmable by developers, but they will have mediated access through the OS.

It means that the PS4 will have to rely on it's CPU a lot more to process some of the audio on it's games, and since it already has a weaker CPU than the Xbox One, it could really suffer in this area. Hence why the more powerful GPU is needed. Audio actually takes up a lot more resources to process than most people realize. This past generation, in some cases the audio for some games ended up taking 1-2 entire CPU threads to process on the Xbox 360 (which only had 6 hardware threads overall).

[ChiblackHwks]

Whatever... this article is on website from MS

[Hakoom]

you mean performance gap wil widen..
just wait til uncharted 4 drops lol
you will realy need an xboxone 2 to top that

[ncc-017]

It will "disappear" in the sense that lazy devs like this one will continue to gimp the PS4 version of games in order to achieve "parity" THAT'S what he means.

[bleedsoe9mm]

you mean the ps4 will gimp the pc version

[ncc-017]

Who is talking about PC? The article is about the performance gap between PS4 and XONE. No one mentioned PC.

[bleedsoe9mm]

@ncc-017 a dev is saying there was a performance gap and its disappearing , now why is it disappearing , better tools ? dev experience with device ? or dev making their game to the lowest denominator . does it matter ? it happens all the time to pc gamers and it will continue to happen . its like 2 fleas arguing over who owes the dog .

[ncc-017]

@bleedsoe9mm It's a shame I know. This would not be an issue if the devs worked to get the most out of each platform. I know when a dev gets the most out of PC the results are worlds above what the consoles can do, sadly this is not often the case and the PC version get gimped.

[Exies7]

Who cares? One console has usually always been more powerful than the other. People buy specific consoles for its exclusives.

[MantaRay]

The headline and the article both dramatically misrepresent what he said. A better headline would be "For his game, which doesn't push the hardware very hard, the difference between the PS4 and XBox One versions will disappear".

That seems pretty reasonable now, doesn't it?

[choujij]

Sounds like wishful thinking.

[Jamaicangmr]

If we are to believe this logic then that means that the X1s dev tools are improving while the PS4 dev tools are already at their max efficiency or won't be improved. There is no way software will make up for the gap in hardware unless he's saying that the PS4 tools wont improve while the X1 will.

We aren't talking about a 5% or even 10% gap here.

He's just being diplomatic i guess but naaw.

[Gunstar75]

My theory always has been the Xbox was forced to launch early and the SDK's weren't ready.

There was no way that MS was giving away the kind of performance gap that was claimed.

The tools are catching up and the difference will shrink.

Simples

[cyber_daemonx]

The denial from the xbots on here is almost palpable. The only way there will be parity is if games are gimped, much like the bone. Even M$ said as much:

http://www.gengame.net/2013...

PS4 = gaming machine built specifically for gaming
xbone = cable box that also plays games built as an all in one box.

The gap ain't gonna close, ever. Software can't compensate for hardware full stop.

[kewlkat007]

Its amazing all fighting over outdated consoles.. Lol

[Iamnemesis4880]

It takes time the X1 is a more complicated system to make a game for if you are new to the way of getting the most out of the X1. It will be a even playing field by the end of the year the X1 is a solid system.
Had a bad day yesterday fired up my x1 the disc drive went it was after EB games closed, So i unpacked my new PS4 you will not belive it the PS4 was stuffed like someone dropped the thing. The next day i went to my eb store with both consoles lucky i know the manger he just swapped both consoles just now got them both running.

[Belasco]

Good lord look at all the ruffled feathers lol. Ps4 is simply more powerful and both will improve. This is not news.

[ambivalentFRYER]

I love it! Every PS4 troll on the site is present and accounted for in this article! Such crybabies, lmao!

[cyber_daemonx]

Along with all the xbot trolls too eh.

[quenomamen]

Cant patch fix hardware,

[anesthesique]

Performance seems to be everything in this console generation and PS4 has a clear lead, thats a fact. But I wouldn't write X1 completely off, lets not forget that the best visuals we've seen in this generation so far was from Ryse, an X1 exclusive.

[JohnS1313]

It would have looked twice as good on the PS4 though.

[anesthesique]

Your debating skills have me backed into a corner here.

[ps4lifesucka]

even if that does happen xbone is still not the same price...

[Clogmaster]

Can't wait until my NES games look as good as PS4 games.

I don't mind blowing the dust out of the cartridge through my sweater.

[JohnS1313]

Not true. The PS4 is a lot more powerful than the Xbox One. The only way this would be true is if developers keep pushing the Xbox One and hold back on the PS4. That would be unacceptable. It was bad enough they did that to the PS3.

[Mikey Mike]

LOL, what a load of BS. A Ferrari will always out run a bicycle!

[thexmanone]

Its a good thing I got a chance to read some of these comments here. I would of never had know that the PS4 was more powerful. I own both and the games look the same to me.

[_FantasmA_]

Yup. And PS4 will just be frozen in time.

[mediate-this]

I swear people here dont read the article and just make up their own stupid conclusions, xb1 can not match ps4 hardware wise but what they are saying as dev tools get better and they optimize their games, in time the gap between the two performance will shrink.

Xb1 should be able to do 1080p with time should happen. They just need to figure that esram stuff out. Dont worry ps4 fans xb1 is not more powerful.

[TomRL]

Lol, you can't make up a o.6 teraflop disparity with dev tools. Nor could the Xbox One do high fidelity 1080p after "figure[ing] that esram stuff out". What a load of rubbish. The Esram will always be a problem. It will get better, yes. But I doubt you will see many good looking games running at 1080p. That Esram needed to at least be 64mb to store a 1080p framebuffer from a demanding game.

[alti]

yeah maybe after a massive xbox one price drop

[porkChop]

The problem with these claims is that they're based on the idea that Xbox One's tools/drivers will improve while assuming that the PS4's tools/drivers wouldn't. Things will improve on both sides over time, but the gap will always be there. No matter how optimized your tools are, the PS4's hardware is capable of things that the Xbox One just cannot handle to the same extent.

[solidboss07]

Nonsense. We have not seen what PS4 can 'do' yet. XB1 is in the same position of course, but when we saw a disparity between their predecessor consoles, then we shall witness more performance gaps this gen.

[SkullBlade169]

What, is the Xbox One going to magically grow a new GPU?

[RandomDude655]

You can't make up a 700 gigaflop differential with software, especially when sony currently has better tools. That's equivalent of a PS3 and 360 combined. The PS4 also has more ACE's which will lead to a huge GPGPU advantage that will become even more apparent how bottlenecked the xbone is. The gap will get larger.

[TomRL]

Weird that a developer of all people would say this. Nothing can make up for half the render output pipelines and lack of decent speed ram.

[FanboyKilla]

Remember yesterday when you sony fans were doing damage control for all the people leaving sony? You ponys were crying about xbox fanboys running to ps articles and attacking ps. But today there is positive news about xbox and the first twenty comments are ps fans with nothing but negative things to say. Lmfao But hurt? If you think there is some huge gap between these two systems its either stupididty or you are a fanboy, pick one. Where in the hell can i see all this ps4 power? It damn sure isnt in the games. It doesnt even have the best looking game on it with all its 1080p wonder. Lol Just because you brought one doesnt make it the best. I love how you guys try to sound sooooo inteligent all while being ignorant. Lmfao

[TomRL]

Lol, the ignorance. The awful Xbox One dev software will get better, yes. But the PS4 has quadruple the ACE's, double the ROP's and clearly better ram. 8GB running at 170 gb/s > 32mb running at just over 200mb/s. Even when it is backed up by the other slow ram in the system, that is simply not enough to keep up with the PS4. The gap will probably get bigger actually, once those PS4 ACE's come into efficient use.

[Ukdude]

Common sense,ps4 fanboys cant get there heads around the fact the xbox one will get get alot more powerfull and ps4 slightly more powerfull due to the fact microsoft are a software company and sony a hardware company,,thats why sony needed to put more raw power into the ps4 to makeup.
Sony fanboys can print as much as they want about specs,doesnt mean it will always have an advantage
The xbox one architecture is alot more complicated with advanced processing/move chips/sdk's and dx12 which will take time to harness (when harnessed will take some load off the gpu)
lets see in 2 years the performance difference,minimal at best!!!

[sovkhan]

When low range gpu equals mid range gpu, one should ask what the devs are on???

Pure bs knowing that, this time around Sony has done a great effort on the software side, like using techs yet to come to Dx12...Nuff said.

[ARESWARLORD]

both are low range gpu's bro dont kid yourself

[sovkhan]

Does not change the fact that xbone gpu is weaker...And on the soft level Sony is a way ahead.Which is kind of strange for a hardware company and tells much how Microsoft rushed their hardware.

[Ol_Boy]

Hmm... A decently more powerful console will be matched in performance by its weaker rival... Yup makes perfect sense to me. /s. You xbox 1 fanboys need to face reality and stop your wishful thinking. Enjoy your exclusives/features and be happy with your purchase. Stop with your delusional ideas of the X1 matching the PS4 in power when it's common knowledge that the hardware in the ps4 is times more powerful than the X1... It's pretty embarrassing to see all of you denying logic in this way.

[Ukdude]

Show me the Power! lol

il show you the power

its called Ryse!!

yous are all falling for the greatness bullsh@t hype,just like the power of the cell processor,,,,,,silly fools

[Ol_Boy]

The difference in hardware is there. It's fact.
The "power of the cell processor" brought the ps3 vastly better looking games than the xbox360.

[HaydenJameSmith]

Vastly better looking games my ass... I dont consider PS3 games bad or anything but they were not in anyway better looking... Last of Us was probably the best looking Game it had but doesn't
mean any of 360's games were bad loooking in comparison. Halo 4 was a pretty good looking game for the 360.

And in regards to the PS4 vs X1 there is very little difference in power when you take every piece of hardware in each console into account.

[ARESWARLORD]

Cell was garbage. the Emotion Engine was a lie.

[Bobets]

LOL!!! ryse 900p? holy shit every1 who bought a ps4 should return it asap Ryse with its 900p and 17fps is here watch out!!!

[Ukdude]

That comment my friend is complete and utter tripe

read my first comment then start again,,,,

[Ol_Boy]

I read your first comment. It's complete bs. It's your opinion that xbox software will improve a lot and ps4's only a little. software can only do so much, it will never make up for the hardware advantage the ps4 has over the xbox1. Ps4 having superior hardware which equals more power and performance is a fact. Your argument is only YOUR opinion which has no relevance.

[Ukdude]

True,opinions are just opinions,like i said come back in 2 years and see what the graphical positions are.

As for the hardware difference ps4 almost certainly had more out the can at launch,,,but il dumb it down a little bit more for you and literally spell it out:
a car that has 1000bhp may not necessarily go fastest around a track against a 800bhp as it depends how the powers applied and design of the actual car lol

You dont see relevance in my opinion as you cant argue with facts about my comment as its all based in the future.(what the ps4 and more appropriantely the xbox one are designed for)

what is considered a majority consumer opinion is that the best looking game is on an 'inferior' platform,,,and the best rated game is again on the 'inferior' system,,

when you take into account the titanfall deal at £400 and ps4 £350,is the ps4 still better value? not in my opinion

its the worst kept secret the xbox wasnt supposed to launch till xmas 2015,hence why the sdk's etc wasnt ready,it was supposed to run on dx12 within home studios from launch

with dx12,ray tracing,new sdk's and the cloud in the pipeline the future looks good!

just like the updates since launch which have been great! : )

[Warghoul71]

Had PS1, PS2, switched over to xbox and stayed with the 360 (too cheap to own more than one) the choice is clear this gen, PS4. M$ f'ed up, they either weren't ready to launch but Sony was and rushed the xbone thinking (rumors?) PS4 was only gonna have 4GB RAM and or they put all their money on the kinect/cable media box. Gonna miss State of Decay and I am Alive but I think exclusives could possibly going the way of the dinosaur.

[Belasco]

I am relieved to see so many developers weighing in on this to clear it up for the mere leman /s

[Illusive_Man]

Why do Windows and Apple Phones generally run better than most highend Android phones even though those devices hardware is not as powerful?

Answer: It's the software.

[ARESWARLORD]

When I was waiting for my GTX 780 to arrive in the mail after I sold my HD 7950's I was gaming on a 8800GT it can run the new tomb raider game on low. I could not believe it. What I am saying is that the ps4 and xbox one gpu's are so similar that its not a thing. In the real world of real gpu's they would be 30 to 40 dollars difference between them and that is f all

[ARESWARLORD]

I have a PS4 and my son is watching netflix on it right now. But I am hating the PS4 fanboys. Its crazy. I have a XBONE and its good as well. Titanfall is great. I have a Wii U and its fun to play. Mario was a great game to play with my son. They all offer us entertainment. Play what you like buy lay off each other. I am a SEGA fan and would buy Dreamcast 2 day one but I would not be bashing your system to justify my purchace. The 90's called and they want their fanboys back.

[DarXyde]

"Disappear" is a bad term for it; shrink, perhaps. Should developers find ways around the XBOX One's ESRAM bottleneck, games will indefinitely look and run better, but the PS4 will also improve with time. It may taper off sooner (that is, PS4 may hit the ceiling first since it's an easier development process)but that does not mean XBOX One will ever hit that precedent set by PS4. If it's multiplatform, then maybe differences will disappear, but for a game made to really take advantage of the PS4, well, we will need to see a demanding game perform on both platforms to compare. All games thus far likely don't utilize what these consoles can do.

As it has already been said: "better specs are better specs".

I will say though that these companies need to find something beyond raw power to push for the industry to grow; graphics are now approaching a level where it is becoming impractical to have that as the defining "next-gen" experience. With the advent of VR, console power will play a big role in VR performance and may actually highlight console differences more than a game with pretty graphics could, especially with graphics hitting a bit of a ceiling.

I won't count the XBOX One a lost cause in terms of power yet. Though I'm a heavy skeptic of their Cloud, I'll give them something of a benefit and see how they plan to utilize it.

[Games_R_Us]

For me, screw the specs, better games are better games, that's the key.

[DarXyde]

For me, it's a little bit of both, though I share about 80% of your opinion.

Specs do, however, affect what is possible on a console. If any of the new consoles were only marginally more powerful than their predecessors, Oculus would be in the VR arena alone, for example.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

that's cute,next time give an actual example lorne on how this miracle is gonna happen besides, their making better tools,because sony/nin are also. the new dx12 is not coming out for quite a while,sony will improve in that time on their already superior tools.

[2pacalypsenow]

so xbox game will look better and ps4 will stay the same? OK

[Bobets]

I have a radeon 6850 its not gonna magically turn into a $1000 Nvidia Titan just by software/driver update.

Seriously tho why do xbox fanboys keep holding on to these pipe dreams? keep believing in false hope.

[busytoad]

Look where this article came from :xboxachievements.com <---- microshyt fanboy website lol.

Xbone will never touch ps4's power,and the money microshyt pays these people to lie to fool us the consumers is a waste.

[Crypt0117]

Time will tell. Possible issue and might be taken for granted is that PS4 is going to 100 percent efficient. It seems Sony went brute force and more than likely will not be utilizing the paper specs everyone spouts. On the hand the Xbox One has very specialized software with a major focus on moving data and efficiency and will use closer to the full potential of its hardware.

[CEOSteveBallmer]

Is this guy really a dev or did MS paid him to say something? saying that xbone is equal to PS4 is just like saying a PC has the same performance as a console. Common sense. If there is code optimisation, in the multiplats there could be less gap, but in "First party games" the gap will never narrow.

thats right talk the talk, only talk. hardware is hardware, software is software. software is not magic to turn a console into sa super computer.

[josephayal]

Jejeje Funny Guy

[Geekman]

I really wish I cared, but alas.

[aragon]

here goes the battle of the week, i miss duck hunt days

[Azzanation]

Why are you all blind on hardware, something doesn't need a bigger engine to be faster. Both Sony and MS and even Nintendo spent millions modifying there GPUs to make them do a lot more then what the standard GPU model can do. In this case MS has spent 3 billion dollars on there GPU research, meaning there is more to it then just the base stat sheet. 3 billion spent is most likely to run DX12 which will make a big difference for most companies that use DX over OpenGL. Its something you have to wait and see, give it time. Remember the 360 was outperforming the PS3, in time things changed as Developers started knowing how to use the PS3 better. Its not hard to understand. For XB1 there's going to be DX12 and Cloud that will benefit over time.

[Qwagy UK]

1st of April is a few days away yet, but still funny!

[ramtah]

i have a ps4 but still it is all about the GAMES

[Father__Merrin]

ps4 has superior graphics card and superior memory

improved software won't physically plug that gap, if you want to keep dreaming then dream on

the fact that you are even contemplating this issue is PROOF that the visual issue is bothering you, let me give breaking news if this issue is bothering you I'd like to announce you have bought the wrong system

the truth hurts...and there's nothing that can be done about it

move along and let this rest, ps4 is higher spec than Xbox1 on matter how many times you hit that keyboard you will not be changing Xbox1 specs

[Ukdude]

Lol you just dont get it mate do you,,,,lol

read my previous comments, it may just open your eyes and smell the coffee

again il refer to the 'weaker' console has the best looking game and highest scored game

wheres the proof matey?

ahh yes,youl refer to the ps4 spec sheet,,,,,greatness awaits lol

keep waiting,youve got one loooooonnnng wait : )

delusional to be kind

[Bobets]

"again il refer to the 'weaker' console has the best looking game and highest scored game"

WTF?

The highest rated exclusive is TOWERFALL and thats on ps4 sitting at 89.

what does highest rated game even have to do with anything in this article? when its talking about xb1 vs ps4 hardware performance difference.

your the only one that is delusional around here straying from topic at hand and spreading false facts fukin XBOT seriously.

[feraldrgn]

"Will disappear" is quite different to "already disappearing".

[overlord23]

Well have had a PS4 from day 1 and I just got a Xbox one from Game Stop.
They have a good deal (well it was for me) you trade in your Ps3 slim (which I had not used for several months) and two games from a list) and its 299 instead of 500 I got the Titanfall bundle.
I also traded in some DVD box sets that had been in my cupboard for Donkeys years yes you do not get a huge amount for them and Game Stop does sell second hand games at a to high a price but with my trade-ins on the Xbox cost me nothing in cash.
BACK TO THE SUBJECT oh I still have my Xbox 360. ,
I have played KillZone,CODGhosts,ACBFlag,Inf amous SSon and MG Ground Zeros and I must say the PS4 has way better graphics than the Xbox one I would say 30% better in some games.
Why did I get an Xbone then well I wanted to play Titanfall and I love the game to bits still in awe every time my Titan falls from the sky also I can play Halo 5 when it comes out and any other Xbone exclusive game I love gaming.
I got Killer Instinct for free and the graphics are SHOCKINGLY bad its like 360 graphics to me.
I hope the games will improve for this console in time look at the first games for the PS3 and what we ended up with Last of US had killer graphics.

[Sick0o0o0]

Take this concept into mind and this outcome will always be the same.

This is like having a Nissan skyline GTR and a Honda Civic Type R. Both cars are on 1/4 mile to compete but the rules say you cannot modify the engine.

The skyline is running at 276bhp out the box.

The Civic is running at 197BHP out the box.

You remap the cars software on both.

The skyline gets lets say +30 bhp and the Civic gets +30 bhp.

The skyline is still faster and will always be faster. Unless you slap a stage 2 turbo on the civic and all the trimmings, it will never be faster.

The Xbox One may improve on the software and development but equally the Ps4 will do exactly the same. The gap will always be apparent. There is no other logical way it could ever be a faster or parallel console.

[scotmacb]

Lol the ps4 is certainly not the nissan GTR more like the civic with seats pulled out

[scotmacb]

Can't believe how many idiots comment on things like this like they know what there talking about you read a few websites and your experts and when a expert does say something you lot say he's wrong Microsoft has already said "do you really think we would let sony make a machine with that much advantage there is noway 40%-50% more powerful is just funny more like 10% -15% now

[corroios]

10 to 15%, so why does titanfall runs at 792 with a crappy old dated engine? with only 6vs6 on screen?

[scotmacb]

6vs6 was agreed by respawn to be the right balance and still be fun and trust me even at 792p its one of the best looking games on next-gen it will not be long before everything is 1080p without detail loss

[unicron7]

The hardware is what it is. It's weaker. It always will be. I sure as hell am not paying more than the PS4 for it. Ditch the kinect and make it $350 and I'll bite. Not paying premium prices for outdated tech.

Just wish the XB1 fanboys on here would stop hoping for the gap to close. It's not. Deal with it.

[frankdrebin72]

Peeps have to remember that the xbox one went through a lot of changes with policys etc.Do not forget that devs was playing catch up,..whatever you think,..the figures you all post about the PS4 specs vs xbox one mean nothing. Ryse is up there with the best looking next gen game on a less powerful console,..yet how can this be?.. surely the figures you PS boys keep posting should counter this?..50% more power on paper thats all.
Also remember what you are,..a gamer,..the games on the 360 and PS3 are and will be inferior soon graphically wise but are they any less fun..after all your PS libary will not match the graphics,..but this dosent stop you mentioning them all the time...remember its a console,..not a PC and all the PC guys are right,..if its graphical power you want get a PC. simps.
Kinect...seems to be a lot of hate,...this is next gen gaming coming up and VR/ AR will happen,..and the kinect is there already to be used,..the PS eye has to be purchased..so if you really want the future you will have to invest in it one day,..microsoft have thought ahead..why put doom and gloom on forward thinking?
The cloud...the power of the cloud??...im not tech savy,..but its the future..Microsoft are investing heavily in it..the are moving ahead of the game..this is good for all of us..afterall you guys that slag it off....what do you really do for a living,..honestly you guys need to knock on Microsofts door,...tell them to hire you cause you are a technical genius!..i mean you all know more than them,..and if you think you do your in a world of your own.
Finance...Microsoft is making more money a month. Fact!..its a buisness. Sony are losing money left right and centre.Fact. Yet sony are a buisness???..really.??..perhap s you are too wrapped up to understand that without money coming in R&D is limited..microsoft spend billions...Sony??..they lay off Devs,..shut down studios..but. thats okay...its buisness...
Deep down,..do you think DX want benifit xbox?...do you honestly think that PC games will not be ported over?..Do you honestly think that microsoft went into this blind?..its a well known fact xbox one was to be released 2014...hence the rush with games looking like they do...sony forced their hand..bravo!!
Dx will help,it will close the gap,.and i know i know Sony will up their game. yes PS4 is selling well so is box but the profit microsoft gets is more than sony,..so basically with it being a buisness they are succesfull..more so than Sony.
What will you all say when the " power of the cloud" kicks in...when dx makes a difference..honestly its going to happen both will get better,..unfortunatly for you ps boys microsoft have money...money speaks....and sony want money as much as you,me or microsoft..
This gen has just started,..its a marathon,..not a sprint,..afterall the ps3 came good in the end?

[RoboticusRex]

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