Wii U's Memory Bandwidth, GPU More Powerful Than We Thought?

Some new information has surfaced due to some in-depth research conducted by various engineers regarding the Wii U's handling of memory: it may be more powerful and faster than we thought.

[SynGamer]

If it is, the games haven't shown it. Honestly, the fact that the Wii U is a *slightly* better PS3/360 speaks volumes. Nintendo thought they could get away with an upgraded Wii, and it backfired.

[R00bot]

Right now most of the ports have been badly done, the CPU on the Wii U is quite underpowered, but last gen consoles like the 360 used the CPU extensively, while the Wii U needs to use the GPU more. The devs simply dumped the code and let the U's CPU try to do it, when that's not what it was intended for.
It's just a little too different for devs. Maybe in the future we'll get better ports.

But I agree, it is making the Wii U look bad. So far only Nintendo has really shown what it can do (too bad those games aren't out yet...).

[Eonjay]

The developers would know, even if we don't

This is the result:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I would still like to play X though. Game looks amazing.

Edit:

Assassin's Creed looks really good on Wii U vs PS4:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

I dunno about that; devs like Shin'en and Platinum have done a pretty damned decent job of crafting games that make pretty good use of the Wii U's innards.

What I'm interested in, is that there's still a few chunks of circuitry inside the unit that we haven't been able to identify as far as purpose.[there was a Neogaf post on it and not a single person had any idea what they did.]

I can't help but think that they're there as circuits to make the Wii U more compatible with some sort of upgrade to the firm-ware or something...

[zebramocha]

@eonjay is the assassin creed pre-patch or post patch?the biggest difference is see is,smoother frame rate,higher resolution and less aliasing on the ps4.

[cleft5]

What you are saying is absolutely correct, the problem is that right now most people just want to act like the WiiU and Nintendo is the worse thing ever. The negative view on Nintendo, is just sad because Nintendo is the only company currently backing a lot of user friendly ideas, like backwards compatibility. Yet, even when Nintendo does great things people just ignore them and focus on the negative stuff.

I am not saying there isn't a lot of problems with Nintendo, but I am not willing to act like the company is the worse thing ever. As for me, I will be buying a WiiU when X comes out or when we get a firm release date for North America and Bayonetta 2 is out. I didn't own a Wii, so there is a lot of cool games I can catch up on while I play Bayonetta 2 and wait for X.

[Eonjay]

@zebramocha

Not sure. Maybe before. YouTube is also insufficient if you want to look at things like fluidity.

Take a look at Bayonetta 2 it looks great given what we know about the Wii U's power. I'm not saying it looks anywhere as good as something like 1886 though.

If the Wii U goes down to 199 or 150, I will definitely consider getting one.

[ABizzel1]

@SynGamer & R00bot

Both of you are correct. When it's all said and done the Wii U is basically a 1.75x Xbox 360.

It's GPU is 1.5x more powerful, it's CPU is 3x Wii's with higher clocks and cache.

It has 4x the amount of total RAM, 3x the amount of eDRAM, and as the article states likely higher bandwidth (although the 500+ GBps is possible, the problem is as always the transfer rates, which with the Wii U are likely around 32 GB/s which again does little for them outside of on-chip operations).

As R00bot said the Wii U will outperform the PS360 once the games are developed more for the GPU than the CPU, as the PS360 were. The Wii U is a solid console, but as SynGamer said it's a 360+, and basically another attempt at getting by with another Wii, and it backfired.

[SilentNegotiator]

Nintendo has brought SEVERAL games to Wii U themselves and they weren't impressive on a technical level either.

New Super Mario Bros. U = 1280x720 (no AA on world map, post-AA in-game)
Nintendo Land = 1280x720 (no AA, post-AA?)
Pikmin 3 = 1280x720
Super Mario 3D World = 1280x720

And don't pretend like the 60fps that some of those have makes them impressive. We had games LAST gen that managed 720p60fps.

[frostypants]

@wonderfulmonkeyman: Nintendo has a long history of building in hardware/ports into their console (with future plans in mind) that ultimately never get used.

[patterson]

So in order of overall processing power, it's:

PS4 > Wii-U > XONE

[pcz]

it doesnt matter if the wiiu can render the universe and its entire contents in real time, if devs dont take advantage of it.

[abzdine]

Nintendo games look gorgeous on Wii U with the HD filter.
Wind Waker is really impressive in 1080p.

Wii U needs support, that's all. it has everything to be a big hit: a good controller, a very creative Gamepad which makes it a creative tool for developers

[Gemmol]

every post on specs since the Wii U come out is assumptions, but everyone seems to go along with assumptions. I have not seen one fact that shows what the system have, even when the system first came out and they open the system and look at the parts, those same people who open everything even said it was very customized. I am not saying the console is super strong and I am not saying its weak, because I do not know I will not make an assumption like everyone is doing. Each and everyone of yall is wrong, once you learn to admit that then maybe you will all be better off.

since we like making assumption so much here is something from an article

The Wii U’s CPU is more efficient and can do more, with 3 cores for gaming, than the PS4 does with the 4 use for games. There is practically no resource management on the PS4, the Wii U will make good use of the resources available. CPU+eDRAM will result in much better performance than the PS4, something that is being seen already with the performance in Nintendo’s upcoming games.

Now the biggest issue here is the GPU, and the lack of information on it. As stated above, with it being under heavy NDA, for all we know the numbers we know can be minimum specs. Another issue is Sony’s numbers don’t match up with the performance, which judging by their history, shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone they are exaggerating their tech. Something we already saw with Deep Down earlier this year. Here are some real world results.

They don’t match the proposed specs, and we know there isn’t much leeway for the PS4/XBO, they won’t have much change over the years, being practically completely off the shelf parts. The PS4′s lock only thing that can happen are firmware/BIOS updates that increase the clock rate, which can cause several issues. We know the bare minimum about the Wii U Specs, while have numbers beyond what the PS4 is known to do.

here is the link for those
http://playeressence.com/co...

[thexmanone]

@Patterson

More like:

Steam Box> PS4 > XBONE > WII U

[Ju]

@Gemmol, are you Nintendo's version of MisterX?

[Nerdmaster]

@SilentNegotiator
"We had games LAST gen that managed 720p60fps."
Few games managed that. Most of the games were 30fps and even then, they couldn't maintain a steady framerate. FFXIII, Resident Evil 5, Heavy Rain... just to name some.

It's like saying "We had games LAST gen that managed 1080p60fps." We did have some, but PS4 and Xbox One still can't make all their games be 1080p60fps. And I don't see you saying that they aren't new gen consoles because of that.

[Sarcasm]

There might be some truth to this. You can't do straight ports from the 360/PS3 to the Wii U.

The Wii U's CPU is insanely slow, but it does have a better GPU and more RAM.

I think Nintendo's first party games have shown it is still mildly more powerful than we think. If you look at SM3DW it's a perfect example.

With that said, it's almost pointless seeing as 3rd party games will be non-existent on that hardware. So the only people who will take advantage is Nintendo themselves.

[iplay1up2]

Need For Speed says hi, as well as Duex Ex, Splinter Cell, Rayman, Assassins Creed, Ghost, BOPS,Resident Evil Revelations, All Superior ports, if not graphically (Need for Speed has PC textures) than the gamepad makes the gameplay much better, Play Duex Ex, on Wii U and then on PS3, there is no comparison.

[cozomel]

@Gemmol

So you tell people not to assume, cuz its whats wrong with everyone. Then you proceed to spit assumption after assumption. On the irony. The WiiU has yet to prove its even more powerful than a 360. There are plenty of games that are superior to the WiiU version, so the WiiU has a lot of proving to do. But honestly i dont think it has much more than we've seen. All their big games are 720p and 30fps. And Ju is right, you're Nintendo's MisterX

@GotHDgame
Assasins Creed runs better on the 360/ps3, BLOPS is even worst hit 30fps frequently on Wiiu, Ghost runs better on 360/ps3, same with the rest of them. Man you fanboys are beyond delusional. You make the X1 fanboys look sane. The Wiiu sucks, its garbage, with its inferior to last gen ports. And Wiiu's best looking game, SM3DW is 720p. And could easily be done on the 360/ps3. Its got simple graphics

[N4g_null]

Under nda directly this time lol. Yet i will say this one core is being used for most of the games release last year. It is the core with the biggest cache. We are not seeing memory fill problems also... you know the loading textures while you are playing crap. Then we are rendering 720 with an added 400 what ever on the game pad... so saying it can do 1080 on most games would just be wrong. I'm sure more people will experiment with turning The game pad off and on during some types of game play. Unless the guys over at nerd in the UK get nintendo ' s cloud stuff going. It's too bad factor 5 and the old id are not around now. Hopefully someone could get a kickstarter going for a wiiu engine that would rival crytek and work like or with unity3d.

[Irishguy95]

The Wii is more powerful than the PS3/360 in the same way the Ps4 is more powerful than the X1. It's simple numbers and the Wii U is a good bit more powerful than them

[ABizzel1]

@Irish

You're basically right especially comparing the Wii U to the 360 since they're nearly identical in design. The only real difference is the fact that the PS4 and XBO are in the teraflop range, and the 360 and Wii U are in the gigaflop range, and so that difference while similar in percentage, isn't nearly the gulf you'd expect.

The Wii U's GPU is around 50% more powerful than the 360's, like the PS4's is to the XBO.

The Wii U's CPU is weaker and slower than the 360's, but it's much smarter and efficient thanks to OoE's and cache.

The Wii U has 4x the RAM of the 360 with 3x the eDRAM amount.

So yeah the Wii U is to the 360 as the PS4 is to the XBO give or take.

[Ju]

^^ One thing, though, overall bandwidth in the WiiU isn't faster than last gen consoles. This is it's biggest problem. We have X1 eDRAM discussions and this surely is a bottleneck for the WiiU as well, combined with the much slower RAM which matches the PS360 ~20GB/s, unfortunately. CPU, while OO is still clocked at half the speed which still makes it slower overall. But yes, it has better/more GPGPU features and more sophisticated shaders.

[Vegamyster]

3D World's visuals look great, textures are crisp, lighting, bloom, depth of field are done very well, AA is good and it runs locked at 60 fps.

http://mariopartylegacy.com...

http://i.minus.com/ibmNOmAV...

Keep in mind they're using PowerPc so it's going to take some time for devs to unlock it's power similar to the 360, also most multiplats ports on the system only use 1 cpu core instead of all 3.

[1nsomniac]

Just wondering but why on earth would multiplats be running only on 1 core even the 360 ran on 3 cores.

It wouldn't make any logical sense to take multiplatform games that run on PS3/360 (both multicore/multithread processors) & rewrite it to run on a single core...

[Vegamyster]

@1nsomniac

Sorry about that i got it backwards and couldn't go back to edit my comment in time(didn't want waste a bubble)

What i got mixed up was something one of the Project CARS devs said.

[N4g_null]

Nope most games are using one core. It has something to do with the compiler. There are only tools to play with one core right now. It is similar to killzone finally getting access to the spus on the cell. There are a lot of goodies tucked away right now yet besting last gen is easy with what we got already. Once everything comes online expect things to get a little more heated. We still won't be talking specs but we won't have to then.

It's just easier to discount the wiiu right now. Everyone that doesn't have a kit ignores the exam and harps on the main ram bus speed. Slow and steady wins the race. The ps4 may have teraflops yet didn't the ps3 show you that spec is useless in most games? If it can not be used in real time then I'm not sure how many gamers would be doing fluid Sims on a under 3 terabyte system? It's sad but the ps4 is almost going to hit the mark but miss it. Almost in hardware doesn't count it gets put back in range with the wiiu and xbone. All the hype is cool but I know pc gamers how buy amd also and act like it is superior also, just because it is cheap.

If all these sales are based on tech hype for ps4 then things are going to get grim when the next few pc refreshes hit along with sdk updates from ms and Nintendo.

[webeblazing]

soooo by them taking a risk with a new way to play with their controller equals just an upgrade wii. people are so funny. isnt ps4 and xbone just an updated system from last gen. they didnt even try anything new. only thing new ms did was bundle kinect with the console. only thing new sony did(for them) is charge every for mp.

seem like this is gonna be the gen of gfx whores. the bunch that downplayed gfx, res, and frame rate soo much last gen.

[SynGamer]

The PS4 has a modern CPU (finally). The controller has a touchpad (that clicks) AND a lightbar for both motion controls AND immersion.

The PS4 also (finally) does remote play with the Vita which is pretty awesome to use in-person. Sony has also revolutionized (console) gaming with PS+ and free/discounted games.

[webeblazing]

you stated everything thats a upgrade. remote play and ps+ is on the ps3. the only different is that its better on ps4(upgrade). ps+ is great but paying to play online??? yeah thats not great.

sooo im not seeing what these next gen console are besides an upgrade. its not a bad thing but dont downplay nintendo because theyre the only one that did something different out of the three. and to say the wiiU is an upgrade and saying ps4 and xbone isnt sounds dumb.

and dont know where people jumped to the conclusion that the wiiU is suppose to perform like ps4 and xbone. i doubt nintendo even care about gfx like people on here do. thats maybe why yall have to bring it up. and that maybe why people downplay how wii dont count when they fight over sales.

[clouds5]

@syngamer: let's have a look at that :)
-modern CPU = low cost amd pc component
-touch pad? I know a system with a touchscreen that does everything the ps4 can do with its pad 10 times better.
-remote play is nice to have, but having actual additional information on a interactive 2nd screen is another level. And most devs won't bother programing features for the 10% of users that have both vita and ps4.
-and sony has found a nice way to advertise their subscription based online services. PC and wii u have sales and discounts as well but you don't have to pay for a subscription.
kinda grinds my gears that people think they get "free" games while they pay money every month. It's just a clever trick...

[Gemmol]

@clouds5 the next thing you forgot to write, once their subscription is gone so are their games

[cozomel]

Wow, the level of fanboyism and ignorance going on in here is astronomical. You people actually believe your own bs. The wiiu is nowhere near the level of PS4 or X1, its barely even on the level of the PS3/360. Just because it has like 1 or 2 multiplats (out of over 20) that might be better, doesnt mean the system is better. As a matter of fact, quite the contrary, its been outperformed like over 20 times already by the multiplats on the PS3/360. There is nothing special about the gamepad, it doesnt even have the L3/R3 click (thats so many gens behind, its not even funny). Doesnt even has a capacitive screen but rather the older and inferior resistive screen and has its buttons underneath its right stick which is comfortable like all hell. The system is way to expensive at $300, when you can get a PS3/360 that both have way more and way better games and way better looking games at that for cheaper. Name me one game on Wiiu that looks better than Gears, Halo4, GOW, UC or KZ? You people are the most delusional pack of fanboys of them all. But whatever, keep on dreaming and when it never happens, then maybe you'll wake up. Have fun being behind the times and finally enjoy subpar last gen graphics. And p.s. graphics do matter, and Nintendo games have simple, kiddie like gameplay, wow! thats so impressive. Now have fun disagreeing away, it wont change the facts. And PS+ gives you way more than $50 worth of content. What does Nintendo give you? oh yeah thats right, nothing! Except last gen tech at expensive prices.

Nobody cares about the wiiu except you fanboys and its being out sold by both the PS4 and X1 (by over 4x the amount by the PS4), the system is almost obsolete

[N4g_null]

In comes the person with no Development kit and all here say from online. The ps4 is not that high tech more ram is great but it's issues put it in the same category as the wiiu and xbone. It's great everyone brought one, Thank you for your early adopters funding yet you will have to get an pc, xbone or wiiu to enjoy this gen because the ps4 is just a speed bump higher at best.

The problem is everyone wants to believe that the ps4 can do things that the other two simply can't. The power gap is not that wide. Tools take time to make. Sony is using an amd chip that is barely custom. Wiiu is using a 3 core powerpc like wii cpus glued together with eram. Only one core is really being used and it is being called wesk. To say it is barely above last gen means it maybe almost 3 times better at a lower clock. Sony went with a spec that won't really scale, nintendo went with effective efficiency.

One thing I know it's useless to argue with gamers drunk off hype juice. Yet it's good to get the truth out there. It's a lot of work yet it is worth every minute so far.

[assdan]

I agree. It's clearly not that much stronger than last gen, or we would have seen it by now.

[frostypants]

That's just the thing. It seems like some of the Nintendo zealots are imagining that Nintendo is just slyly letting themselves get beat down, quietly biding their time until BAM! They unleash the WiiU's secret ninja power and triumphantly show who's boss. Yeah, it ain't happening...

[clouds5]

People seem to think the same thing about the xb1 :) it's not really that simple of course but the xb1 is not that much stronger than the wii u. On paper maybe but in the end both systems produce very good looking 720p games and sometime 1080p.

[truechainz]

When did a systems true potential ever show up in the first year? The Last of Us is proof of what can happen when devs know a system inside and out. Not saying that the Wii U is gonna be a killer in gfx, but your comment makes it sound like you have only been playing video games for a year or something.

[assdan]

@truechainz. It really doesn't look that much better that last gen. The difference seems to be about double next gen. Which for a generational jump is pathetic.

[stragomccloud]

You are so horribly misinformed that I really don't feel like explaining everything that is wrong with what you have said. That said.... you should read this link:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz...

[ZainreFang]

Sony thought they could get away with an upgraded PS3, and it worked. Whadaya know?

[tigertron]

The difference being that the PS4 is an entire generation ahead of the Wii U.

Releasing 2006 hardware in 2012 was a poor decision.

[swice]

Tigertron

Ps4 and Wii U are in the same generation

[swice]

Double post

[mrbojingles]

I don't understand the logic of your wording. If the Wii U is slightly better than the PS3/360 it can't be an upgraded Wii. I wouldn't call the leap from 88MB RAM to 2GB RAM and a multi-core processor, better GPU and triple the eDRAM an "upgrade" at all over Wii, that's like a giant leap (from the Wii)

[bigfish]

yeh and the graphics are slightly better than GameCube,, I don't get the point of this article

[higgins78]

Somebody has a sore case of nostalgia. Yes, the Gamecube was a trailblazer in terms of graphics, many titles still holding up well today - I was a MASSIVE fan, but put (for example) something like Sunshine and SM3DW side by side...ouch! Tropical Freeze next to Jungle Beat, W101 next to Viewtiful Joe, etc, etc. Wii U is running these games not only in HD but (most of the time, unlike PS4 and Xbox One) a LOCKED 60fps.

[higgins78]

Erm, just as the PS4 and Xbox One aren't simply upgraded versions of their predecessors...that's the entire definition of "next gen"! Also, as far as the games not showing the Wii U's grunt is strictly inaccurate, games such as SM3DW (locked 60fps with those graphics), W101 (that many things going on at any one time), Tropical Freeze (lush environments, again all at 60fps) and Nintendo Land (no lag at all between main T.V and Gamepad).

People just cant seem to see past the fact Nintendo don't want to use semi-realistic graphics in their games, mostly because the best games ever housed on Nintendo consoles have been stylised...that is the way I prefer my videogames for the most part, that is why I stick with Nintendo. "Slightly better PS3/360" means nothing, its nonsensical.

[mate9791]

Slightly more powerful ??

563GB bandwidth ram.
2GB of system ram.
35MB of edram.
3MB of edram cache.
Unknown sram.
Tri core power pc cpu.
Gpgpu.

Every game so far only needed 1 core on wiiu speaks volumes for the results the wiiu can deliver if you ask me,project cars is only using 1 core who knows they may use another but resogun on ps4 looks no better than Nano assault neo on eshop and resogun uses 50% of ps4's power ?? Ghosts looks worse than Blackops wiiu by far BO2 wiiu uses 2k textures,ghosts uses 1k textures n all 3 consoles.......

360/ps3 are ancient in comparison to WiiU/PS3/Xbox1

PS4....178GB Bandwidth ram
Xbox1 158GB Bandwidth ram
WiiU...563.2GB Bandwidth ram

Remember Sony boasting about Bandwidth ram makes your graphics very powerful ????

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Interesting, thought out analysis of the system true potential!

[mii-gamer]

read the whole article and did not understand any of the technical mumble jumble. Can someone shed some light in regards to this piece?

[DanManDantheMan]

Pretty much, the Wii U seems to be pretty close to the Xbox One.

We'll never really know how powerful it really is though as the hardware is so secret.

[ricochetmg]

I LOL because i don't know if you are serious.

[Nero1314]

lol I guess the 360 is on the same level as the ps4 too

[stragomccloud]

He's quite serious. The reason we haven't seen better looking games is because of lazy developers that are just dumping code from other systems strait onto the Wii U. The thing just happens to be so powerful that it still works.

[fluffydelusions]

Basically PC>PS4>XB1>Wii U>PS3>360

[badz149]

correction

(HIGH-END)PC>PS4>XB1> ;Wii U>PS3>360

[Chrischi1988]

I dont know, where you all get that High End PC from, because it is not true. Build a PC for around $650, a graphics card in it for around $300 and it will be much better than a PS4. You PS4 fans sound so hilarious, if you say things like that...

[brich233]

No, its NES, SNES, PC, PS4, Atari, Dreamcast,Xbox One, Xbox 360, ps3, Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, first Xbox, Sega Genesis.

[badz149]

@Chrischi1988

Pc is a general term but what I do know is, $300 is NOT low end and admittedly not high end either. But don't act like ANY pc can outperform the PS4.

[frostypants]

Basically, someone saw some transistors they couldn't identify and are fantasizing that it might be something awesome. Meh. Occam's Razor says they're nothing important. If they were we'd have seen it by now.

[Chrischi1988]

Project Cars will show it. That is what Slightly Mad studios said themselves. Nobody says, that it is more powerful than a PS4 or Xbox One, but you all sound really hilarious to compare it just to a 360^^

It is complete nonsense. The CPU uses the same architecture like the Wii did. The PS4 uses the same CPU architecture, like a Windows 3.1 PC did back in the 80s. So, is the PS4 CPU so weak? No it is not. Same architecture is not a bad thing, like you all try to make it seem. And comparing the clockspeed on totally different architectures and core numbers and different cache is also not valid to do. PC CPUs are around 3,5ghz for how long now? Pretty much a decade. Would be really dumb to act like, the CPUs have not improved for the last decade. Clockspeed says nothing anymore.

Nintendo never used a lot of Ram on their consoles, look what they did with the Wii with its small amount, now imagine, what Nintendo could do, with 2gb.

And what people also forget, Wii U has a gpgpu, the gpu might not be the most powerful, but it uses the newest technology, to get most of it out.

Wii U might have weak parts, but it uses the most modern methods to utilize that power, given the fact that it is much more powerful than the 360 and PS3 and uses latest technology on weak parts, makes it much more powerful than last gen.

[yewles1]

I'm sensing a MisterX vibe in here...

[stuna1]

No! What you're sensing is a MisterN vibe in here.

[SilentNegotiator]

Bu but there's super secret sauce in the Wii U...I swears it!

[CYCLEGAMER]

This does not matter if that "power" isn't being shown.

[thezeldadoth]

have you not seen mario kart 8 trailers? X, bayonetta 2, super mario 3d world? Those games are clearly ahead of the last generation of consoles

[CYCLEGAMER]

Sorry but those games do not look like they cannot be done on the ps3 or 360.

[Vegamyster]

@MELMAN26
Currently any game on the PS4/Xone can be done on the PS3/Xone as well, the visuals would have to be turned down but they're still more then possible.

[GordonKnight]

Don't forget Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze. That game is beautiful!!! And It's not for casual gamers at all.

[captainexplosion]

Mario 3D World is great, but it looks like something that could easily be done on the PS3 or 360. And New Mario Bros Wiiu didn't look much better than Wii games.

[Chrischi1988]

It could be done on a PS3 and Xbox360, like every game could be done on them, if optimized. That doesnt mean, it would look as sharp as on the Wii U.

Almost all multiplatts come to last gen, too. Games like Project Cars, which is next gen only, get a beautiful version on Wii U.

You all can say, what you want, graphics are nice on the PS4, but graphics are not the problem of the Wii U, it are the lack of games. The lack is not there because of too weak hardware, devs just use it as an excuse.

[Geekman]

Hm. I noticed Ac4 looks and plays really well on the Wii U, as well as Darksiders 2 and Splinter Cell.... I think this deserves further investagation, but I am skeptical.

[DC777]

Black Flag looks and plays awesome. As do DK and 3 World. So much bad video out there though doesn't capture how it really looks at home. They do need a first party realistic looking game to show off its true capabilities.

[beatled]

aciv looks nearly identical on wii u vs ps4

ps4 and xbox1 are NOT a big leap power last gen

just like wii u

[ricochetmg]

gen jumps are getting sad graphically...ps to ps2 was the best

[neogeo]

How about going from Snes to N64? I remember popping in Mario 64 for the first time and my jaw hit the floor. That's the biggest jump in gaming history.

[ricochetmg]

Good point but i still give it to ps2 .

[clouds5]

I wonder how long it will take until people realise that games on the ps4 aren't better just because they are 1080p/60fps...

[Qdog]

Are you serious? Higher internal resolution, higher polygon geometry, 60FPS, more realistic volumetric water surface, added post processing effects and more complex lighting in the PS4 version and youre saying you cant see a diference?

As for your second comment, the PS4 is only roughly 16 times more powerful than the PS3 so I totally get where you are coming from...not really. 16 times the system memory(8GB vs 0.5GB), and GDDR5 is way faster than the GDDR3 in the PS3, eight core CPU that is comparable in performace to an Intel Core i5, a Full desktop HD 7870 with 2 CUs disabled but more compute power than the desktop version of the GPU via added ACE cores. The PS4 is actually very powerful compared to the PS3. Hell just look how good the launch games are then compare PS3 launch games to later games like The Last of Us, and God of War 3, and tell me the PS4 isnt full of awesome sauce. I had a WiiU and I actually loved it. My two favorite games were ZombieU and Wind Waker HD, but I understand now that I only bought it as a filler system until the PS4 released. Also, I remember the Chipworks article where the WiiU die shot was revealed, and I remember being convinced that it has potential especially for the controller, that was my favorite part of the system, except that I couldnt use it in the bathroom or more than 15 feet away.

[stuna1]

You know you can't have a intelligent well thought out, fact supported conversation with some Nintendo supporters don't you? Well don't you!

The fact that some claim that X and Bayonetta, Donkey Kong and Mario, can be comparable to the likes of Tombraider definative version, Ryse, Killzone, The Order as well as others. If those are not the signs of delusion setting in.

The games on the WII U are fun no doubt, but they aren't even in the same art category as the others like I said before. Notice how no one ever speak technical terms concerning WII U games like poly counts, tessellation, weather simulation, real time illumination? Because none of these things are present in the majority of WII U titles and probably why a lot of next gen titles are not even appear on the system.

Donkey Kong, Mario, Zelda, all of those title are not pushing a fraction of what the others are pushing! That is why Nintendo is happy with their 1st party support, because if 3rd party support aren't able to offer the same likeness of heavy hitting titles like Destiny then it would look really bad. The thing is no one see's this.

[Qdog]

I guess I had hoped for better...lol my mistake. What's up with all the buzzword usage around here lately? I see articles like this implying some high level of secret sauce in the WiiU's design, though this same article is clearly based on community speculation and no cited facts yet I see all these Nintendo fans ( I myself am a fan of Nintendo and their clear influence on the industry and its history) around here writing really strong comments with not even the slightest idea what they mean. The WiiU is Nintendo's next gen system. One does not invest in Nintendo to brag about specs, nope, Nintendo games are all about art direction and memorable personal experience. I usually let things go, but there are way too many people eagerly believing that the WiiU is capable at the same technical level as XBox One and PS4 when it just was never designed to be that, nor will it ever be. Nintendo's WiiU is a true console, but Xbox one and PS4 clearly achieve more parity with PCs than consoles.

[abzdine]

The Order, inFamous and Killzone say hi

[IRapeLolis]

Nothing I've seen or they have shown is anywhere near next gen though. It looks mid PS3 to be honest.

[imXify]

The GPU is in fact more powerful than the PS3 one. But because the CPU sucks so much that it's a bottleneck and the GPU can't keep up with it.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

It's only a bottle-neck if the GPGPU isn't utilized to take up the slack appropriately, and lets not forget that a lot of ports before now only used one core instead of all 3...

[Ck1x]

I don't know why people keep saying that the WiiU CPU is weak! Its clock cycles are slower, but not weak... Most of the initial launch games are running on 1 core because the devkits didn't have the support for multicore at that time. 3rd party games are always going to be a half hearted effort on the WiiU and just like PS3, probably only Nintendo and their internal teams will ever showcase how good games can truly look on the system.

[Concertoine]

im still not sure of all those games being 1080p 60fps on the wii u. im not hating, im just worried we'll have a donkey kong tropical freeze situation where 1080p equates to 1080p UPSCALED in nintendo's mind.
out of the rumored ones, smash bros is the only one that looks truly native to me.
i don't really care too much, the last of us and SM3DW both looked so good that i would mistake them for 1080p native if i didnt know otherwise.

[Qrphe]

Only 1080p60fps game confirmed is Smash. Neither Bayo, nor Mario Kart nor X are running at 720p from all the builds theyve shown (last Direct's official screenshots show this clearly).

[Ck1x]

I understand the whole resolution gate situation that this generation is bringing on. But at the end of the day, if the games look great they look great! When it comes down to it and I stated this before that even with PS4 and Xbone being more powerful, developers will end up sacrificing resolutions for extra graphical effects and whatnot. We see that now even with The Order possibly going to be 800p on PS4! But why do people care so much if the game looks amazing? Personally I would rather all or most of the WiiU titles to run at a higher framerate and be 720p,800p or 900p with extra bells and whistles. Than to suffer and be choppy just to claim a 1080p stamp.

[Qrphe]

1920x800 is not 800p at all

[Concertoine]

Yeah thats what i figured, but this is the same site that claimed those games were 1080p. It kind of kills this articles credence as well.

[Qrphe]

Cinemablend, playeressence and wiiudaily (along with ps4daily and xboxonedaily) have terrible news reporting.

[Saintdante]

I'd probably take this article more seriously if it wasn't written by William Usher.

[Hicken]

Don't know why you're getting disagrees. Usher is a troll and a Nintendo fanboy.

[DanManDantheMan]

Come on dude. Not everyone who is able to come to a positive conclusion is a troll or fanboy.

[Hicken]

... it might behoove you to actually do some research on the individual in question.

William Usher is a troll. His articles are written for the purpose of stirring up crap. They routinely have flamebait headlines, twisted logic, and the most irrelevant parallels you've ever seen.

A Nintendo fan like you MIGHT not see it, but it's extremely atrocious.

[DanManDantheMan]

"A Nintendo fan like you"

That was extremely uncalled for.

[Ck1x]

To be honest Hicken you are kind of a troll though! Looking at your comment history when it comes to Nintendo related articles and you generally only have very negative things to add. There could be an amazing post about a new trailer for Bayonetta 2 and you'll say something along the lines of, oh it doesn't matter because its gonna flop anyways... This article is more on the opinionated side, but it does pose some interesting not so far fetched theories as well.

[Ulf]

The Wii U is never going to match the X1 or PS4, and so its mild advantage over the PS3 and X360 is basically immaterial.

All the bandwidth in the world won't cure the lack of ROPs and shaders that are at the heart of the issue.

[Geekman]

And nobody said it would. They simply said it may be more powerful than we think.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

With the right art style, it won't even matter that its graphical capability isn't at the same level as the PS4 or Bone.
It can still make huge, gorgeous-looking games.
That's what matters.

[truechainz]

I wonder why everyone talks about how games look before they talk about how they play as well. There are a ton of wii u games that have tight controls and run 60fps. Maybe it is because I try to play more competitively but games could run at 720p for the rest of time for all I care as long as controls stay tight and gameplay is fluid.

[RPG_Lover]

who cares it was always fine

[eaise]

I think everyone kinda already knew the Wii U was powerful. It is not as powerful as X1 or PS4 but its closer to them than PS3 and 360. It has been obvious in any ports that the developer put a decent effort instead of just throwing half finished games at the Wii U. It is harder to port games to because it has a different system setup than PS4 and X1. But if a developer wants to make a Wii U game that looks graphically like a PS4 and X1 game they could do it. They would just have to put in more effort

[Gemmol]

problem with your statement is that a lot of people prefer to believe the Wii U is like the wii, so it makes the ps4 and xbox one seem stronger then it is......instead I think the rumors in past were correct the xbox one is only 2 times the Wii U and the ps4 was like only 2 times the xbox one

[N4g_null]

Nope the ps4 is not two times the xbone. In the end those two will stay almost identical. The wiiu is a lot closer two those two than everyone is assuming.

In the end it wont matter. It didn't matter in the wii or the 3ds. Yet Mario kart blows 3d world completely out of the water. So yeah we will have more choices this gen. We can make a wiiu game for that audience and they adds something and proclaim it's better on the other two to get some hype juice sales. All that matters is you feed Publishers money to keep the industry from crashing. Hey don't take a website info just sign up for a wiiu dev kit and see for your self. Run your own benchmarks then send it back if you are not happy. It really is that simple. The ps4 is cool. It's not even worth trying to talk to ps4 fans. They will buy when they see what they want. Plus to this gives wiiu development creative freedom where as if you don't use everything the ps4 has you just won't get a sell just for that reason.

[Realplaya]

Can someone explain to me why Nintendo can get the games they create to look so good and play great while others can't?

My top Wii U games released or soon to be that are or are not created by the big N. Say what you want but these games look great.

1.Pikmin 3
2.Super Mario 3D world.
3. Super Mario land or whatever the 2d game was.
4. Donkey Kong TF
5.Mario Kart 8
6. Bayonetta 2
7. X

If you look at this video on platinums site you will see without doubt the Wii U is not as weak as one would think.

http://platinumgames.com/ga...

[imXify]

Because Nintendo supports their own studios. 3rd party devs get late answers, poor dev kits and poor support. This is one of the reasons why most 3rd part devs abandonned the U.

[ChickeyCantor]

Devkits and Support are fine. It's marketing which is the problem. Don't make stuff up.

[imXify]

What stuffs ? http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Realplaya]

It sounds like you pulled that out of your ass. No offense you got it twisted because a lot of developers debunked those rumors and they have stated that Nintendo was easy to work with. Also if you create a bad game it's Nintendo's fault?

[ChickeyCantor]

Did you even read your linked article? It's talking about PRE-LAUNCH.

[imXify]

^
then why 2013 3rd party games still have terrible framerates ?

Ex : Hosting a game in CoD Ghosts in unplayable. Or playing the same game in single player will have terrible frame drops at many points.

Same story for Assassin's Creed. Oh and now I wonder why Watch Dogs has been delayed again for that version.

[N4g_null]

Dude do you even have a wiiu? Ghost is fine and it can render to two screens and still play online... I don't see a ps4 doing that? Most people on there play with wii mote the fastest way to aim. Just log on you will get slaughtered. It's like house of the dead free roaming or playing res evil 4 wii make with cod game play. This is as close to pc gaming on a console you can get on a couch.

Also crytek is owned by EA... the wiiu is supported by their engine but it is risky for indies to play ball with those guys. Most of what they do is being done on unity3d now.

Just ask your self why can we play a pc port of need for speed? You are being herded to one platform by the big Publishers. It is working. Why are indies not opting for ps4 over wiiu. Why even bother with bad kit? Why can new comers make a game for the first time yet experienced industry vets are struggling to get their games running? If you are going to be fooled by that then I can not wait till you guys start investing in Stock lots of you guys are going to get a lot of money stolen.

[Ck1x]

I think the primary reason is that most of the 3rd party games were developed with 360/PS3 in mind and then ported to the WiiU, not created to exploit the WiiU's true abilities. Games like Project Cars will showcase how big the gap truely is visually between PS4, Xbone and WiiU. What I don't understand is obviously for some reason CryEngine runs amazing on WiiU and why isn't Nintendo working closer with Crytek to get the engine as primary game development engine for the devkits? The games we've seen so far look amazing running on that engine. We have Sonic Boom which looks even better now than when it was shown in that earlier demo form back at GDC 2013. Then we have Shadow of The Eternals, which may or maynot have been a full representation of what the WiiU version would look like. But they stated from the prototype that was shown they believed it was achieveable on the WiiU hardware.

[Agent_hitman]

If this is true then the only bottleneck of this system is the cpu.

[R00bot]

Not that terrible, really, since the GPU is able to take on tasks that only the CPU could do previously. That's why it's known as a GPGPU.

[mydyingparadiselost]

So third parties made sloppy ports and blamed a lack of power on the Wii U's part to cover their mishandling of the tech. Seems like learning to do things correctly isn't the strong suit of some of the big AAA devs, as if day one patching, broken releases and mishandled finances weren't already an indication of such...

[mysteryraz11]

ps4 smokes the wii u

[Beastforlifenoob]

8 core cpu vs 3 core cpu

2gb ddr3 vs 8gb gddr5

500gb hdd vs 32gb hdd

2x Usb 3.0 vs USB 2.0

Bluray vs some dodgy ass propriatary horsesh**

How could anyone disagree with mysteryraz11?

[R00bot]

Because it's completely off topic.

Oh, and the Wii U uses bluray, they just modified it slightly to make pirating more difficult.

[Gemmol]

if you had some common sense, you would know they use the same CD with the same reading speed, and if you know anything the memory in the Wii U is not hdd, if you download a game for example assassin creed 4, because of the memory nintendo use the game will download faster, for example a game that would take normally 2 hours or more on ps4 and ps3 would take 30 minutes or less,I have sony just as you but please use your senses, you make other sony owners look like we dumb or something

[DC777]

Those 8 core cpu's only have 4 real cores so don't get too excited.

[tweet75]

i think nintendo is holding it back intentionally until they need to utilize it fully to compete with ps4 and xbox one when they hit there stride

[GordonKnight]

Nintendo is not competing with Sony or MS. If they were the Wii U would be more powerful.

[DC777]

Why would it be more powerful when it was doubtful upon its release that Sony and MS were even ever making another console?

[sephx22]

We already know where the Wii U sits specs-wise out of the three 8 gen consoles and this article won`t change a thing.

[DoggyBiscuit]

So what if the Wii U is not as powerful as the PS4X1 every game that Nintendo make for the Wii U will look beautiful.

[FlyingFoxy]

Wii U could've been more powerful, but the fact that graphically the Wii U can produce nice looking games like Mario 3D world & Mario Kart means that they will likely be fine until their next console in a few years.

If you want power, build a PC, simple as that.

[GamingTruth]

from the exclusives from sony and Microsoft platforms id say ill just take consoles

[Main_Street_Saint]

And that's the one sure thing that consoles have over PC's.

[brich233]

PC has many of its own set of exclusives,

League of Legends
Starcraft
Dota
World of Warcraft
The Witcher
Gothic 3
Neverwinter Nights 2
Counter Strike: Source
Medieval 2: Total War
Recettear
Mount & Blade: Warband
Cryostasis
Penumbra series
Amnesia
Heroes of Might and Magic 5
Hearts of Iron 3
Arma 1
Arma 2: Operation Arrow Head
and 100's of other Shooters, Indie and RPGs, the list goes on.

I game on PC and Consoles.

[Flames76]

Who cares its over for the Wii U

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

That article was horrid and full of hearsay and make believe.

"I mean, no one makes newer chips slower or bigger than previous chips, right? "

Logical I suppose, but not really "concrete" evidence.

[R00bot]

You actually can't buy chips slower than what the PS360 had anymore. Unless Nintendo had intentionally gone for a slower chip (which would cost more, anyway (R&D, and the chips would only be used in the Wii U, making it costly and difficult to justify the cost of)).
There's more to that than logic, it would be stupid on Nintendo's part to create a custom chip that's less powerful just for use in the Wii U.

[young7yang]

the two best next gen games I have played from a graphical stand point are KillZone Shadow fall and Wonderful 101. Yes I said it. Play the game from beginning to end and you will see just how crazy that game gets. Not possible on ps3 or 360.. that I am sure.

[TheOmniGamer]

Zelda U will really show the potential of the Wii U, it's definitely not as weak as people think, it's capable of producing amazing visuals, just look at 3D World, that game is gorgeous and it runs at 60 FPS.

[R00bot]

If only they would just show the damn thing lol.
I can't wait, I believe they have said that they're showing it at E3 this year.
Man, E3 can't come soon enough.

[Geobros]

Wow!!!!! Wii U is really powerful....:o

[BattleN]

This game could show if WiiU is capable!

[BattleN]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?... this game!

[Benjaminkno]

Doesn't really matter.

Nintendo makes better games and makes more money.

[yeahokchief]

they look the same. the only thing that really stands out is the effects like rain or the amount of grass on the ground. very hard to tell them apart in a number of scenes.

you only really see differences when it's pushing it with effects.

[cell989]

Nintendo thought they could get away with the same crime twice; make a cheap @$$ underpowered console with a gimmick to get the casuals exited and invest as little as possible on actual R&D. Worked once with the Wii, but the WiiU had it coming thanks to Nintendo trying to play the lucky charm game again. No they get to loose money, and hopefully this will push them to release a console on par with the competition.

[Ck1x]

To be honest even if Nintendo had made the GamePad a lil smaller and then put that extra money into the GPU and RAM. People still would have found something negative to gripe about with the system, just look at the Xbone and the criticisms its facing... The Wii and DS made Nintendo a big chunk of change hardware wise, so you can bet investors wanted them to catch lightening in a bottle 3 times. What I would have liked to see Nintendo have done is since the system launched at $350, is to have put $50 more towards the GPU and RAM and just kept the system at a $399 price point. The extra money could have given them maybe a total of 4gb of RAM, 45MB of eDram and a GPU close or on par with Xbone.

[Gemmol]

why respond to that, Wii U is no where close to the same boat as the Wii. the ps3 and 360 were 30 something times stronger then the Wii, this is not the same story, and who ever tell you its the same you should feel ashamed for even believing that

[Atomicjuicer]

Hopefully Nintendo will release a kickass new Metroid with beautiful graphics for Wii u.

[ForROME]

the wiiU this thing is still alive? Let it die already

[gpturbo81]

original..

[DJ]

It's basically an Xbox 360 with updated Shaders. Not too bad, but the price should reflect that fact.

[BattleN]

OF COURSE WIIU IS ON PAR ------IF NOT STRONGER IL EXPLAIN THRU THE AMAZING ABILITY CALLED COMMONSENSE

THAT THING HUMANS USED TO HAVE BEFORE FACEBOOK AND TWITTER AND WHEN KIDS WENT OUT SIDE BREATHED FRESH AIR AND DEVELOPED THE ABILITY TO THINK FOR ONES SELF

WIIUS PROCESSING IS MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE EFFICENT THAN PS4 THIS IS COMMONSENSE

PS4 RUNS DATA TO AND FROM THE GPU AND CPU IN AND OUT AGAIN TO AND FROM MAIN MEMORY

THIS MAIN MEMORY IS FAR FAR FAR AWAY FROM THE PROCESSORS ITS ALSO RATED AT A PATHETIC 200 NS LATENCY SPEED HERES THE MASSICE PC LIKE DISADVANTAGE

THE DATA HAS TO MOVE OUT OF RAM TO GPU THEN FROM GPU BACK TO RAM HUNDREDS OF TIMES EVERY FRAME

EACH DIRECTIONS SPEED IS 200NS GET IT ITS LIKE HAVING TO GET IN YOUR CAR DRIVE TO THE HARDWARE STORE GRAB A NAIL GO HOME HAMMER THAT NAIL IN THEN DRIVE TO THE HARDWARE STORE GRAB ANOTHER NAIL DRIVE HOME HAMMER THAT NAIL IN

GET IT ???????????

WIIU DOESNT DO THIS ONCE THE FRAMES DATA IS LOADED TO THE EDRAM MEMORY ITS WORKED ON TO COMPLETION THEN.

WIIU DOESNT DO THIS ONCE THE FRAMES DATA IS LOADED TO THE EDRAM MEMORY ITS WORKED ON TO COMPLETION THEN FLUSHED TO MEMORY TO GO TO SCREEN

LIKE THIS DATA LOADS GETS WORKED ON HUNDEREDS OF TIMES IN PROCESSOR NEVER GOING OUT ANYWERE ITS ALL DONE ON CHIP UNTIL COMPLETE

SO ALL OF THE NAILS ARE THERE IN THE TRADES MANS HANDS AND NOT ONLY THAT HE HAS A NAIL GUN GOING BANG BANG BANG THE JOB IS DONE MANY MANY MANY MANY TIMES FASTER

THE SAME TRICK IS ALSO USED TO FEED THE CPU ITS ALL DONE ON CHIP IN THE WIIUS EDRAM AND SRAM POOLS

ITS A DEDICATED HIGH SPEED HIGH EFFICENCY SUPER FAST NON PC VIDEOGAME-CENTRIC DESIGN

COMMON FLAMING SENCE ??????????????

ADD TO THIS >>>FACT<<<&l t;< i dont do opinion its dangerous!!!!!!! DUMBS FOLK DOWN!!!!!

RIGHT AGAIN ADD TO THIS FACT WIIUS OVERALL CATCH MEMORY AND CPU CATCH MEMORY IS MANY MANY MANY TIMES BIGGER THAN PS4

ADD TO THIS FACT THE WIIUS CPU HAS 4 X SHORTER STAGES THAN JAGUAR CPU ITS 4 STAGES LONG NOT 16 STAGES LONG ITS 4 X SHORTER BEING 4 X BETTER GET IT

ADD TO THESE FACTS WIIUS EXPRESSO IS A RISC CPU NOT A CISC CPU IT HAS THAT POWERPC RISC ADVANTAGE AGAIN SIMPLE FACT

ADD TO THIS ITS DESIGNED FOR GX2 AND ASSEMBLY LEVEL CODE NOT WINDOWS LIKE DX OR OPENGL

ITS DESIGNED TO BE CODED AT THE METAL NOT IN A FAR FARFAR AWAY PC LIKE SET UP

ADD MORE TRUTH THE WIIU HAS COMPRESSION SYSTEMS PC'S DO NOT HAVE AND THEY WORK IN REAL TIME IN THE PROCESSOR EXAMPLE THE CPU CAN RUN CODE AT 4TO1 COMPRESSION ALLOWING 4 X MORE DATA TO BE FLUSHED THRU MAKING THOSE TINY CORES EXTREAMLY POWERFUL

ADD TO THIS ALL JUNK PROCESSING IS HANDELED BY THE ARM CPU AND ALL THE SOUND PROCESSING HANDELED BY THE SOUND HD PROCESSOR

NEVER EVER BOTHERING THE MAIN CPU

FACT CLOSED GAMING SYSTEMS ARE 5 X MORE EFFECTIVE THAN A PC

ADD TO THIS NINTENDO IS AGAIN MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE THAN COMPETIONG CONSOLES DUE TO THIS INSANE LOW LATENCY NINTENDO HAS USED SINCE GAMECUBE.

[BoneBone]

The details in this article are at least 6 months old now, so I'm not sure why the guy suddenly decided to write about it, and I'm not so sure why it's such a hot topic.

Wii U is made of modern and much, much more efficient hardware than that of the ps3 or 360. It has a GPGPU several generations ahead of the those in the ps3 or 360 (Wii U is capable of much greater colour reprsentation and no Wii U games, even the poorest of ports, have ANY screen tearing).

It has a none-mobile (desktop type device) 3 core CPU where as the ps4 and x1 have 8 core MOBILE CPUs. Wii U has 4X the RAM of the ps3 or 360, and a large expensive block of eDRAM.

All of these things have been confirmed many times by various sources, mostly first hand developer interviews. Not only that, you look at games like 3D World, Pikmin 3, W101, Wind Waker even the new Donkey Kong - and you'd have to be a psychopath of the highest order to still beat the drum that Wii U isn't more advanced or costs more to manufacture, than the ps360s of this world.

Look at the recent news about Cryengine 3 and UE4. Remember everyone laughing about UE4 not coming to the Wii U? Yeahhhh, about that, a dev came out last week and said Cry3 is better than UE4 because it can produce better photo-realistic graphics - UE4 is cartoony!

Sonic Boom for Wii U is being developed on CryEngine3.

I thank you.

[AKR]

One year in; and the system has already managed to produce some pretty sweet-looking titles; even though it's under the PS4 and XBX-1.

Pikmin 3, Need for Speed: Most Wanted U, Trine 2, Rayman Legends, Nano Assault NEO, Nintendo Land, Super Mario 3D Workd, Mario Kart 8, Sonic Lost World, DKC: Tropical Freeze, SSB-4, Art of Balance, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, ACIV: Black Flag, Mass Effect 3, Sonic Boom and Splintercell: Blacklist

- are all good examples that this system really has more power than what people give it credit for. I don't play games for graphics - but even so; those are some looking games - nobody can genuinely deny.

[MNGamer-N]

Here comes the swarm of armchair computer scientists. Why does it offend so many people that the WiiU is a decent machine and can create some great looking games? Isn't that what we want?

[lilbroRx]

Wow, this article shot to the top fast.

There are a lot of people with an emotional investment in the making sure the Wii U is not viewed positively.

[lilbroRx]

These are things that were plain to see to any person with tech knowledge regardless of the bad ports or negative proclaimations from tech sites taht are pro-Sony/Microsoft and Anti-Nintendo like Eurogamer and most of Neogaf.

A lot of those low end estimates weren't making sense.

[mysteryraz11]

Wii u fanboys always pull the pc card cause they cant defend there systems hardware and failure, if I want graphics I dont have to build a I can get a400 dollar ps4 and stuff like infamous ss and order1886 and kz sf, wii u could have been better but nintendo is clueless now when it comes to consoles

[Kos-Mos]

Can we talk gameplay for a change? I know it`s hard, but please, just for us gamers can we do it?

[lilbroRx]

That it what 90% of articles that aren't doom or bashing are for Nintendo.

This article is a change of pace.

[fatstarr]

Another article of logic that will be pushed to the side for more doom and gloom.

[KevinCubes]

Can it run crysis 3 better than pc on mid settings.........didn't think so

[FlyingFoxy]

Why would it need to?

It doesn't run that great on PS4 or Xbox 1 either, DF on YouTube have it dip to the low 40fps digit range and under on just single player, on PC with the newer GPU's like R9 290 it dips to only 50fps @ very high settings. On PS4 & X1 the graphic quality is more like medium settings if compared with PC.. so yeah, nothing to shout about there either.

[RackLug]

Wii u will do ok, i own a wii u and a ps4, o yea and i just went out and purchased a £100 graphics card for my pc and it can play BF4 better than my ps4, it just made me feel bad and want to sell my ps4 now, it cant even handle BF4 in 1080p, were is it going to be in 2 years if it cant even play BF4 now properly.

ps4 and xbone are gonna be buried by budget PC cards in the next couple years