Xbox One and PS4 1080p debate will "auto-balance" eventually, says Thief dev

"Earlier this week it was confirmed that Eidos Montreal's Thief reboot runs at 900p and 30 frames a second on Xbox One, cue the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth from pixel counters. Speaking to OXM at a preview event this afternoon, art director Nick Cantin and lead level designer Daniel Windfeld Schmidt discussed reaction to the announcement, suggesting that the furore over 1080p will die down as the new hardware beds in."

[dirigiblebill]

I'm biased towards the Bone, admittedly, but I think we'll look back on all these screen comparisons five years from now and laugh. Or cry. One of the two.

[solidt12]

Where do you get this auto-balance thingy they talking about? lol

[stuna1]

The Xbox1 is going to grow another CPU/GPU in the future!

[cozomel]

i think they pull it right out of their a$$. People look beyond stupid defending this ish.

[badz149]

yeah, seriously, what is this "auto-balance" thing that the dev is talking about? somehow in the future, the Xbone will have the power to rival the PS4's performance?

seems like people making this claim are forgetting things about the architecture of both PS4 and Xbone. they are x86 based systems that people are already familiar with since like...I don't know...as long as we can remember?? in other words, they are just locked down PCs! so any secret sauce or whatever are wishful thinking at best!

have any of you witnessed a weaker PC GPU in similar system outperform a more powerful counterpart given several years of coding and optimization? gee...I don't know, I haven't seen any because IT DOESN'T EXIST!

devs are already able to take full advantages of the PS4 is because they are already familiar with the architecture and the Xbone will never have the same result because the GPU is weaker and it doesn't have fast GDDR5 like what most GPU use these days. sure, things might get better and games might start to look better on the Xbone but the PS4 has the same CPU but better GPU, so it will always be the case of "what the Xbone can do, the PS4 can do BETTER!"

[hades07]

Will you ps and xbox fanboys just STFU. Here you have a game that developers are trying to discuss and all people care about is the fact that there is a fewer less pixels on one system compared to the other. I see thousands of comments all over the net about the resolution of games, yet barely anyone is talking about the gameplay which is far more important. Are all of you going to sit their, not touch the controller and count pixels or are you going to be playing the game and enjoying it for what it is?

[Utalkin2me]

Seems to me it is more of dumb down the Ps4 version to "Auto balance".

[DigitalAnalog]

@hades07. You clearly miss the point. The fact that the developers is essentially feeding conjecture while being "supposedly" neutral is concerning to say the least.

The problem is letting them get away with such snarky and degrading remarks. They literally believe that the consumers in general are ignorant they can feed misinformation just to appease to a certain company is disgusting.

If anything, THEY should follow your advice and avoid talking about this so-called "power" balance in the near future because it only harms their reputation as game developers.

[fr0sty]

auto balance = eventually people will just accept the fact that the bone isn't as powerful and will quit trying to defend inferior hardware. the conversation will then die out because people will get tired of talking about it...

in no way does it mean parity will be achieved.

[Kidmyst]

"I think it's going to auto-balance in a while," suggested Schmidt. "It's going to change a lot. I think [fans] will eventually move on to other stuff, right now though..."

I'm thinking the Dev's are trying to say this will always be the case but gamers will tire of bringing it up and move on to something else which most likely will happen. but the comments on that site and Xbox fans saying as long as it's 720P they are fine. OK, so the whole reason I have not bought the Xbone is the 360 i have does 720, for $500 I expect better. When I build a new PC and put $500 or more into it, it runs and performs faster and outputs more fluid graphics the the PC I had used.

[ABizzel1]

I agree with him. The 1080p debate will "auto-balance". But the problem then becomes PS4 games will be running a much higher framerates in comparison like Tomb Raider Definitive Edition.

It's better to take a "L" on the resolution than it is to have the PS4 performing at 2x the framerate. That's even worse than the resolution wars.

[Unspoken]

The auto balance comes into play when the disparity between the the two decreases as new game engines come out and the PS4 can no longer handle 1080p@60fps which is already the case.

The gap between console and PC will widen and both of the consoles will look similar when compared to PC graphics. The PS4 will either have a resolution hike or fps hike, but not both.

If Witcher 3 comes out at 900p on PS4 and 720p on the One, they'll both be inferior to Steam machines.

[k3rn3ll]

@digitalanalog
The truth is when u look at tye consumer base as a whole. .... 75% of them are ignorant of the technical aspects. We know that there are at least 80 million homes with consoles. Maybe 20 million actually visit sites and buy into the console war. The large majority just want to relax and enjoy a video game with there friends. Same reason why resogun is the best exclusive on ps4 at launch. Not a power needy game but god damn it is it fun. Same reason why we can all bust out our old nes and still have a great time. Because the majority cares about the experience

[assdan]

But here's the thing, we are getting close to photrealism, especially with the ps4. I think the end of this gen will look near photorealistic. We won't be laughing at these screenshots 5 years from now because the next big leap is animation. And yes, there is a big difference in graphics between the two consoles.
And @Hatsune-miku; wow, you're completely right. I guess I just didn't realize that some people hadn't considered that.

[Morgue]

It's hard to debate or even know what too say when I only own a PS4 and haven't seen a an X1 game in person.

[SaturdayNightBeaver]

love the xbone fanboys on that website are all like :

"lol pffft 900p 30fps? Its totaly fine for me , person can't even say the difference between 720p and 1080p on big screen TV" haahahah

[JeffGUNZ]

I don't think anyone is really saying that, it's more like games such as titanfall it's not paramount for it to be 1080. Sure, in a perfect world it would be great, but nothing is going to be taken away from a game like that if it's 720. Xbox fans are not saying their isn't a difference or the PS4 is not more powerful; just simply stating that in a lot of games out there, it's not the most important factor.

[MysticStrummer]

"I don't think anyone is really saying that"

People are saying it. Whether they really believe it or not is another matter.

[RedSoakedSponge]

either way you look at it, xbox one version sadly is the weaker version for some good games right now.

[kingdip90]

I think as long as the most inexpensive hardware is more capable at resolution that it's more expensive counterpart there will always be people complaining over the lower resolution of xbox one games.

[Sayai jin]

True, but only hardcore gamers care about the resolution or will notice a substantial difference...what I mean are early adopters. The casuals make up the majority of console purchases over the genenration. They'll look at one being more expensive than the other and wonder if they do the same thing. Some may see that and obviously go with the cheaper one while other swill see that the other one additional hardware (kinect) even if most feel it should be optional

[kingdip90]

Word of mouth is a powerful thing, probably more powerful than marketing. Word of mouth spreads from the core outwards.

[medman]

That's a bunch of crap sayai jin. If someone owns a larger television set, the difference between the two resolutions is readily apparent. There is nothing "hardcore" about that.

[Sayai jin]

No medman, that is my opinion and my experience. I have tv sizes raning from 32 in to 65 in to include a HD projector displaying on a 140 by 100 in screen. I can tell the difference, but most who visit my home can not and most do not care.

[Garethvk]

gameplay is key but the gap cannot be ignored.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Gameplay is key for sure but gap of the Xbone is too noticeable though :o

[JeffGUNZ]

It's nitpicking really. While I was playing Titanfall the last thing that came across my mind was "I wonder ow the textures of those plants are close up" or "what's my resolution right now?". If a game is fun, that's what really matters at the end of the day. Look at Counter Strike, how awesome is it that people are still playing that game. It's sure not for the graphics! Even when I game on my PS3, I am not looking for the things everyone hear claim to be the most important, I am hoping to be immersed into the game and funfactor.

[mcstorm]

That's well put and I agree. Its only the fan boys who talk about power etc. For me a game is all about how it makes you feel when playing it. Each of us are different and like different things. I'm not interested in KZ as I had 2 and 3 and although they looked nice they did not make me love the game. For me the best fps game of last gen was halo 3 I've had more fun on this game than any other and can still go back to it today and love it. It was the same for Forza Horizon in racing and I also loved Alan Wake too. Theses games may not of been the best selling games but to me they gave me what I wanted out of them. I loved lbp I likes what was done with the game but I felt 2 and the vita version were just more of the same and I wanted something different in them.

But that said that's just my own thoughts on some games and other people will disagree and other people will agree.

All this power talk is just crape as the ps2 and psx had less power than the n64, gamecube and Xbox but that did not stop them from having amazing games too like MGS, crash, ff7, res evil and more.

[medman]

I don't know what you're talking about. It would be nice if dat "next gen" console could produce current true hd graphics. We're not talking 4k here, we're talking about the current standard in hd, 1080p. It's just plain pathetic that a system that costs more than it's competitor can't even match the current standard, while the less expensive console has no trouble meeting that same standard. You lot can try to poo poo that all you want, but you just sound like lames, making excuses that quite frankly shouldn't have to be made for a "next gen" gaming system. Period. If 360/ps3 levels of performance is acceptable, why exactly did you buy a new console? You sure have low expectations for your gaming needs.

[H0RSE]

@medman

The flaw in your argument is that the only instance where 1080p is the "current standard" in gaming, is with PC. For consoles, 1080p is the next step. In fact, it won't become standard ("standard" in terms as the "go to" resolution that isn't talked about when a game achieves it) until later this gen, or next-gen.

[Statix]

Both consoles will definitely improve over time, but the gap in hardware and performance will always be there. That's a simple fact of the hardware being more capable in one machine than the other; there's no getting around this static power differential unless developers start gimping one console's version of a game for the sake of "parity."

[yewles1]

"auto-balance"

No way... they COULD NOT have said that... Pennello must be proud.

ROFLMFAO!!!

[MysticStrummer]

Ha ha Penello is exactly who I thought of too.

There isn't really a debate anyway. There are simply people who don't acknowledge PS4's very real hardware advantage. Oddly, or maybe not, they're the same people who think XB1's tools and methods will improve while PS4's won't. That's not a debate, it's just irrational people, and it will go on throughout the generation. Sites like Lens of Truth will see to that, and those comparisons will of course show up on N4G every single time.

[H0RSE]

The argument isn't about the PS4's hardware advantage. The argument is despite the advantage, is the PS4 producing visuals at such a higher fidelity over the X1, that it's even worth bringing up the "superior hardware" argument? Based on every multiplat released, I have not seen a case of this, despite the PS4 version having higher res or otherwise - the differences simply are not substantial enough to boast the PS4's power gap.

And save me the "50% more power" or "twice as many pixels" rhetoric. The argument is based around the end results - what people actually see, not the numbers game working in the background. If one version has twice as many pixels, and all it largely receives is a "it looks a little better," is that comment an adequate reaction for this supposed 50% more power?

[MysticStrummer]

"And save me the "50% more power" or "twice as many pixels" rhetoric. The argument is based around the end results"

Well then the people doing the arguing need to wake up. You can't just reject the numbers and say they don't prove anything when they sure as hell do. You don't get to declare what is proof and what isn't. If the proof doesn't matter to you, that's your business, but it's still proof.

Look at MGS. Higher resolution on PS4, and on top of that the PS4 version is running a more complex weather system. Sorry but that's proof of a substantial power gap.

[H0RSE]

The argument is not about whether or not there is "proof." The argument is whether people are going to warrant the differences as meaningful or not. The PS4 version of a game could have 1000x more resolution and/or rendering shading techniques going on, but if it results in a "it looks a little better" all that talk of power essentially falls short.

Your argument stems from the numbers game - claiming that regardless what people see the "proof" is there, regardless if an extra 50% = 0.01% increase (not saying this is the case, just showing how "50%" can be misleading)

My argument is claiming that if the "proof" cannot manifest itself into definitive end results that accurately display this claimed power gap, then it looses much of it's credibility and comes off as little more than mere marketing hype, and would be better to simply say it like it is - that the PS4 tends to produce higher resolution multiplats, but overall, they look largely the same.

And if number-wise, the 50% gap actually translates into "a little bit better," or a lot of small improvements spread throughout the game that players may or may not pick up on, (which seems to be case so far) then it also make the "more power" rhetoric, lose much of it's meaning.

[MysticStrummer]

The concept of diminishing returns has been around and in play for more generations than just this one. Doubling power doesn't necessarily double the eye candy, since there's more of everything going on in the background and right up front. Taking just the basic visuals and ignoring everything else, like you ignored the MGS weather thing, is just cherry picking. Jumping up in resolution like we're seeing takes substantially more power, and that extra power is coming from the cheaper option.

It's like CD audio vs DVD audio, when those formats came out. Neil Young tried to get the music industry to wait on adopting the CD format because DVD had much better sound quality. Many people would listen to both and say there wasn't much difference, if any. Or the difference between the various types of surround sound. Same thing. The casual listener would say both sounded great and probably buy the cheaper one (which in this case is a problem for MS). The audiophile would explain to the casual listener why they were wrong. You're arguing from that casual point of view, which is fine, but it doesn't change the facts.

[H0RSE]

"The concept of diminishing returns has been around and in play for more generations than just this one. Doubling power doesn't necessarily double the eye candy, since there's more of everything going on in the background and right up front."

- which is part of my point. So many are boasting the "50% more power" claim and similar ones, without truly knowing what it actually means. Many are interpreting is an "across the board" statement, when that's not necessarily the case.

"Taking just the basic visuals and ignoring everything else, like you ignored the MGS weather thing, is just cherry picking."

- No it isn't. These elements are a part of my argument. I didn't ignore them, I stated that if elements like these go largely unnoticed, why boast them? If people need to bring them up in conversation for people to realize they are even there, that speaks for itself.

"Jumping up in resolution like we're seeing takes substantially more power, and that extra power is coming from the cheaper option."

- The argument is not about how much more power it takes, it's about the end results and how they compare, and with every multiplat released, the PS4 version has either been arguably better or slightly more. The argument isn't how much power it takes or whether or not the PS4 versions look better, but rather do the differences correlate to the power claims being talked about, according to what people are actually seeing.

"It's like CD audio vs DVD audio, when those formats came out. Neil Young tried to get the music industry to wait on adopting the CD format because DVD had much better sound quality. Many people would listen to both and say there wasn't much difference, if any. Or the difference between the various types of surround sound. Same thing. The casual listener would say both sounded great and probably buy the cheaper one (which in this case is a problem for MS). The audiophile would explain to the casual listener why they were wrong. You're arguing from that casual point of view, which is fine, but it doesn't change the facts."

- It may be a "casual" point of view, but it also arguably the majority point of view. In your example, you bring up audiophiles, which are essentially music/sound enthusiasts, which make up a far smaller demographic. That being said, if consumers were at "audiophile status" in terms of visuals, they would be playing PC, since deciding on a PS4 based on factors in terms of visuals and performance, is essentially settling for second best.

You seem to just want to cling to the idea that PS4 is more powerful, can produces better visuals, and regardless if those differences go noticed or not, facts are facts, I win. Unfortunately, that's not my argument...I'm not arguing facts. I'm arguing how relevant they are.

[MysticStrummer]

"So many are boasting the "50% more power" claim and similar ones, without truly knowing what it actually means."

What do you base that on? What I see are people backing up the 50% power claim by talking about the actual hardware and what it's capable of. Shaders, pixels, etc.

"I stated that if elements like these go largely unnoticed, why boast them?"

Did you feel the same last gen, when smaller differences were seemingly a bigger deal to the 360 crowd? They aren't largely unnoticed. From what I see so far, sites like Lens of Truth aren't even needed this gen.

"The argument isn't how much power it takes or whether or not the PS4 versions look better, but rather do the differences correlate to the power claims being talked about, according to what people are actually seeing."

And the answer is yes, they do correlate whether you admit it or not.

"It may be a "casual" point of view, but it also arguably the majority point of view."

I'll have to think about how that's an argument that proves anything in your favor. You seem to be saying ignorance is bliss.

"if consumers were at "audiophile status" in terms of visuals, they would be playing PC, since deciding on a PS4 based on factors in terms of visuals and performance, is essentially settling for second best."

That's true in a way, but bringing PCs into a console argument means nothing to me. I've tried PC gaming several times in my life and always come back to console. The games I want to play are generally more on console than PC, so I don't care much about what resolution those other games are playing.

"You seem to just want to cling to the idea that PS4 is more powerful, can produces better visuals, and regardless if those differences go noticed or not, facts are facts, I win. Unfortunately, that's not my argument...I'm not arguing facts. I'm arguing how relevant they are."

I'm not clinging to anything. PS4 is more powerful, can produce better visuals, and they are more noticeable than the differences between PS3 and 360 multi plats. Again I have to wonder if you said these same things last gen, and the real bottom line is of course that the cheaper option is producing the better visuals.

Personally, I bought my PS3 because I knew certain games I wanted to play would never be on 360, and after awhile it became apparent that though 360's multi plats had marginally better visuals, sites like Lens of Truth were needed to point them out. You say PS4/XB1 differences aren't noticeable but as I said, to me Lens of Truth isn't even needed to point them out this gen. When you can see the difference by looking at a crappy YouTube video, there is indeed a noticeable difference.

Either way, we're just going in circles here so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. For what it's worth, your argument would hold more water if XB1 was the cheaper option. It's not, and that's MS's own fault.

Peace and good gaming.

[SniperControl]

TBH, they have to say this, they are selling software on both consoles, they need to kiss both buttocks to get good sales.

Truth is, Sony are constantly working to improve the PS4(many xboys are in total denial about this), there will always be a performance gap between PS4 and X1, no amount of coding or hardware is gonna change that.

[Statix]

Wonder why we've been seeing some developers do damage control for the Xbone lately? First, it was Rebellion games, now we have the Thief devs. Wonder if Microsoft is going around to 3rd-parties and "encouraging" them to spread more positive messages about their proven weaker hardware.

Pretty sad, if that's the case. People like Penello at MS should just focus on games, rather than continue this feckless power debate that they will never win.

[-Foxtrot]

Yeah but the thing is what people are trying to get at if the PS4 can do certain features the Xbox One can't NOW, what will it be able to do in the future.

For example...lets use apples as "features, specs, tec" etc

If the PS4 has 10 apples and the Xbox One has 5 then a year later the Xbox One reaches 10 apples...by then the PS4 will have 15. The next year when the Xbox One gets 15 the PS4 will have 20....and so on and on and on. You get the point.

By the time it catches up impressions will have already been made.

Point is at the minute it seems like your paying more for less.

[SniperControl]

Oh man, I have been saying this for ages, xboys like georgenoob and truefan think MS are doing this and that and that MS will have sole use of E3 this year, they think nobody else will be at e3 apart from MS.

Well those guys are in for a rude awakening when Sony roll out the big guns at E3

[BABY-JEDI]

Is this a story about damage control? Or is this a well balanced appraisal?

[dantesparda]

What do you think? damage control, its being trotted out on totalxbox.com, and every fanboy on that site is using the "i dont care about res" excuse

[BABY-JEDI]

I think the dev should have got 1080p on the Xbox1 as that is the next gen standard! As for 'auto-balance' what cost will this incur to the Xbox1 with regards to the PS4? Will it hit 1080p on multi-plat titles? If so will the materials/effects/lighting be to the same standard as the PS4? IMO both systems will advance within all aspects of game design & the system requirements of both will have greater demands. So the difference between both systems will exist in one or another number of ways.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

OK so I had to laugh a little. Thinking back to the big 180 MS pulled I took a moment for a bit of a chuckle given the difference between 1080p and 900p is... 180.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

The Dev basically says things will get allot better as time goes, hinting nothings final or they shouldn't write anything off of sorts.

Interesting.

[nypifisel]

Yes.. A third party developer says that to an Xbox magazine.. Curious.. no wait, the other one; Obvious! It's already been said at least twice in this 'thread'. Why would PS4 development stagnate while the XB1s doesn't? Really makes no sense.

[sorceror171]

I recall back when the PS3 and 360 were new, the fanboy wars over how multiplat games looked worse on the PS3. (For some reason the Ghostbusters video game seemed to be incredibly important for a while.)

It never made me regret getting a PS3. I mostly went for the exclusive games anyway. It'll be pretty much the same with the Xbone. It *does* have some features the PS4 doesn't have (Kinect, HDMI pass-through, etc.) that make it a somewhat better media center than the PS4. For some people, that's enough. I personally don't care and I'll be getting a PS4, but I won't feel insulted if someone chooses differently.

The difference is certainly there, but it's not night and day. Look at it this way - the Wii U is about 50% more powerful than the PS3 or the 360, but I'm still getting games for the PS3 instead of my kids' Wii U.

[isa_scout]

Very well said sorceror, and I couldn't agree more. In the end I just hope everyone is happy with their purchase.
I have a buddy with a XBone who cannot wait for TitanFall, I on the other hand am eagerly anticipating InFamous, but neither of us lose if both games are amazing and we're happy with our purchase...People(sometimes myself included)can be real assholes to eachother.

[AnEwGuY]

The reason the (horrible) Ghostbusters game was so talked about, was because the GB franchise was a Sony property, and Sony touted the PS3 as being the lead platform...as did the dev...aaaaand the game ended up looking quite a bit better on the 360 (even though it still looked like crap regardless). Prior to that fiasco, many people were contending that the only reason PS3 multiplats were looking worse than the 360 versions, was because the 360 was lead platform, and "lazy devs" were just porting to the PS3. It wasn't until the last 2-3 years of the cycle that devs finally figured out how to lead on PS3, and still make both versions look good.

[memots]

most of the crap you just spewed never came from Sony but from the same fanboy bs that is going on right now.

[Kiwi66]

but on this site people dislike ms regardless

[GarrusVakarian]

That isn't for no reason though....

People act like MS receive all this hate for no reason, as if people just choose MS to hate just for the fun of it, but just look at their past year to see why people dislike them. It's not to understand why and imo a lot of the hate is completely their own fault.

[Utalkin2me]

My dislike of MS came after 2 broken 360's in the first year. I will never touch a MS product again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

[MCTJim]

I still find the digital foundry article amusing..does anyone remember the whole resolution fiasco with CoD?

everbody could "clearly" see the major difference? And later the devs said it was both 720p and pre 1080p upgrade? :>

[dantesparda]

Thats not true, every comparison done was with the PS4 running at 1080p and the X1 running at 720p, it was the release of the game on the PS4 were they messed up and made it 720p, so get your facts straight, And there is a huge difference between the CODs when you see it in real life

[ElegantSpock]

It is very sad to see a console die, i feel very sorry for those people that spent 400$ on their console of choice , but Microsoft has created an outstanding piece of technology, it has raised the video game industry’s standards in every possible way, the Xbox One has a dedicated ALU with the amazing PowerPC arquitecture and a much better video graphics card , giving a 34.7% performance advantage that the Ps4 will only dream to achieve.

With the new Kinect 2.0, Video Game developers will be able to provide a new extra layer of immersion and further enhancing the gameplay experience to unreachable levels.

Vision, it is not a quality possessed by the average person.

i remember when i read about the Lightbulb, electricity and the Personal Computer

People use to doubt those inventions, they laughed at the creators and said

"Who will want this?"

"Who will need this?

"That thing is absurd"

Of course those people were wrong and lack vision.

People are repeating the same mistake again with the Kinect 2.0, they are doubting its utility its potential for change, for innovation, who is to say that the Kinect 2.0 wont be the next Light Bulb? Don't judge what you don't understand.

The kinect 2.0 has the ability to seeminglesly integrate the user’s physical stress and emotional reactions into the gameplay enviroment, this enhances the experience to extra layers of extra dimentional perception creating a synergistic relationship with the game’s imemrsion which beccomes directly proportional to the persona.

You no longer play the game, you a re the game.

Thanks to the vastly superior hardware, the Xbox One will be able to deliver crisp and engaging graphics, players will be able to enjoy high quality anisotropic filters, incredible Anti-Aliasing processing and high resolution textures. It is very comforting that Microsoft’s priority is to provide customer satisfaction, this is reflected on their online multiplayer policies.

60fps sounds nice, but it is highly unnescesary ,

60fps is not needed, but it is used to make the buyers think they are getting something more

in reality the human eye can't percieve frame rates beyond 27.6, fps greater than that is wasted.

here is a trivia, Bluray films are at 24fps and they look very good.

Google it if you do not believe me , Bluray is 24fps, why would we need more than that?

And also, 1080p is barely notciable, you need a huge screen and actually be within 1 meter of distance to notice the difference, because of proportions.

It is no brainer that Microsoft will once again dominate the gaming industry for the 3rd time, Microsoft has brought innovation to the table further demonstrating that they are simply the best at what they do, they will prevail for ages to come, because they are at the vanguard of technology.

I am not a Fanboy, I like PC gaming more that console gaming, i own all the gaming platforms and a PS3(which died because of techincal failures). I am stating the obvious that Sonyss part in the video game industry will come to an end in this next generation.

This is concrete proof and irrefutable evidence of X1's superiority.

[tjg59]

What generation did xbox dominate

[Hercules189]

In technology- the original xbox, too bad it didnt sell too well, where were all these sony fans talking about how the ps4 is marginally more powerful now back when the ps2 was barely even hanging on.

[BG11579]

Yes but did the ps2 cost more then the xbox?

[kopicha]

lol i am very sure you are drunk.

"I am not a Fanboy, I like PC gaming more that console gaming,"

Then the X1 has nothing to see here for you then. PC is still superior and will always be. Btw anything after the statement "Xbox One has a dedicated ALU with the amazing PowerPC arquitecture and a much better video graphics card , giving a 34.7% performance advantage that the Ps4 will only dream to achieve." are all just rubbish. You just show that you understand shit about PCs and neither you are a "PC Gamer". Since when X1 is running on PPC architecture? Since when it has a better GPU? Your last statement should be "I am a Fanboy, I love X1 gaming more than anything else which is why I can't stand facts and this is how I feel for X1 as a SUPER FAN," A PC lover will not and never feel that consoles can ever "dominate".

[KonsoruMasuta]

Movies are a different story from video games. And even then, movies are trying to push for higher frame rates. The Hobbit has a version that's in 48 fps, and believe me, it is noticeable. Anybody who has watched the 48fps version can confirm that.also, Some of Douglass Trumballs films are shot in 60fps. James Cameron plans to use high frame rates in future films. The industry is changing. Soon physical media movie discs will have to change to accommodate.

Now, on the matter of the kinect. Microsoft has yet to prove it's worth. The games for it have been poorly received, look at Fighter Within for an example. As of now, it's only a overpriced peripheral and nothing more. It doesn't add immersion and it doesn't do much of anything special.

And on the matter of 1080p being unnoticeable; you and I both know that's not true.

[DigitalHope]

I hope they paid you to type all that. Must have taken awhile to type all the non sense. Hurts to work so hard for nothing huh?

[asyouburn]

Movies look smooth to a degree at 24 frames because they double and triple flash frames. If you don't think the human eye can see above 27, go see hobbit 2 or tge next one at 48 and tell me you don't see a diff

[GarrusVakarian]

"You no longer play the game, you a re the game"

Lmao, hilarious comment, literally sounds like you copy and pasted that from a MS website.

"Don't judge what you don't understand."

But here you are comparing 60fps games to 24p movies, both of which work in completely different ways. How ironic.

"in reality the human eye can't percieve frame rates beyond 27.6, fps greater than that is wasted. "

OMG! I actually can't believe you wrote that. Not only can you blatantly see the difference between 30fps and 60fps (60fps being much, much smoother), but some people can easily notice the difference between 60fps and 120fps. I'm sorry, but you are a liar, that simply isn't true. I don't know where you got your info from, but it is way off, the human eye can see the difference WAY beyond 27 fps.

Crazy to think people actually agreed with your comment.

[SourShoes]

Hello MisterX. Why did copy and paste your exact same post from yesterday? You should also use a better Russian-to-English translator.

[windblowsagain]

24fps is fine for cinematic, because it's already been filmed. Panning, is cut, edited. Post processing for other things. That's why movies get away with it.

Games do it all in realtime. (except some lights) and if the game is 30fps solid it's fine. if the game is 60fps solid or close it's fine.

If the framerate wanders off too much it's very distracting is fks with your eyes.

[Mr-Dude]

I wonder how you come up with this stuff, here and on your crazy conspiracy website MisterX.

Sony paid N4G, paid magazines, bribes etc... dead squades... LOL
But hey you have the insiders right? Nobody ever saw any proof of that BTW! And I feel sorry for al those mindless followers of yours...

O well, i'm off to collect my paycheck from Sony, because I just commented on your crazy comment... That's what we do, according to you and your cult...

LMAO

[kopicha]

"It's really more an engineering question, because on the creative side it never influences at all, we're not aware of that," said Cantin. "For us it was a 30 frames thing, and that's really important on that side, and for the engineers it was probably a constraint, that they had to work with to make some choices, but we're not involved with that kind of thing."

this whole statement make the entire article pointless especially the header. Like as if the PS4 ver is not being targeted for 30fps which is why it is being bump to 1080p? End of the day it still only show that there is indeed some technical advantage on PS4 over XBone in terms of system raw power. While their difference may not be night and day. Bit it is there and will always be until the end of this new generation. The specs dont change and numbers don't lie. End of the day every extra juice in them help since they are static and closed platforms. Which is why it still matters at the end of the day considering consoles usually have quite a long run in the market. They ain't PCs where you can always just switch out a piece or 2 when needed over the years.

End of the day i think people need to just move on already and just be hype with the games that will be releasing on them over the next few months to years. There is really nothing new when come to such topic anymore. It is also getting a little tiring. Think people really just need to accept it for what it is and stop arguing about it. Hence with less talks, this entire resolution gate thing will eventually die down and let's all just focus with our games instead.

[KonsoruMasuta]

I doubt it.

[AnEwGuY]

No worries here. I've got it pre-ordered for PC on Amazon for only $45...and I'll have it cranked as high as the settings allow.

[_LarZen_]

The day gamers do not care about graphics and performance is the day hell freezes over.

I understand a level designer don't care about performance or how a game looks. But saying others do not and that it will "auto-balance" after a while is just silly.

Mark my words. There will be under this entire console generation be focus on graphics. And every time a XBO game will unperforme and they will. There will be articles and fanboys going at it in the commenting sections. For years this will go on...

Graphics and performance do mater. So do gameplay and good game design. They go all hand in hand. Saying one thing is not so important is not a intelligent thing to say.

[cyhm3112]

i think by auto balance, he means the matter graphics differences will be balanced by players focusing more on gameplay then graphics. He tried to avoid saying XBO can't do 1080p which is true forever.

[Master-H]

Yes auto-balance, by that time the box would just trick itself..

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Dat balance.

[Master-H]

Be careful or dat forced parity might just sneak up on us, like a theif..

[Austacker]

Sick to death of this stupid resolution war between consoles.

Focus on the games & software.

If resolution is THAT important to you, then go buy a PC ffs and live in 1080p - soon to be 4k - glory and leave console players the hell alone.

Elitist pricks

[shotime97]

u just hit the nail on the head.all this is doing is makeing gamer's look bad. this back and forth crap need's to stop we all like games if not why are you here to troll?

[TristanPR77]

The problem is that you wouldn't be saying the same if it was the other way around, in fact , you would be talking trash about the PS4.

That is why no one believe that pathetic excuse "focus on games & software"

If you don't care about performance and power you should have stayed with the 360.

[bornsinner]

tbh from what i have seen after owning both ghosts & bf4 on both systems, resolution doesn't matter much, yes it creates a smoother picture but it really isnt a big difference at all, those who say it is are just kidding themselves, eventually once sdk's get better on the bone esram issues may just disappear and we may get same res on both systems. i'm still more of a fan towards xbone because software, games & online they are just better at, but this gen xbone messed up on hardware... but then again it isn't much of a difference.

[Gamer666]

"Xbox One and PS4 1080p debate will "auto-balance" eventually, says Thief dev"

Ya, eventually playstation journalist and/or fanboys will quit writing about it (hopefully)...

We all know that PS4 can do 1080p and 60fps in most games and X1 can't. X1 owners have accepted this as fact but sony fanboys can't seem to let it go (Probably because the games on PS4 suck rocks compared to the ones on X1 - Yes, they are 1080p and 60fps but that doesn't change the suckage factor... And yes, I own and play both consoles before you call me a XB fanboy).

It is all poetic justice though. Last gen PS3 framerates, load times, and constant game delays were mashed in PS fanboy faces by XB fanboys relentlessly. Remember, the classic fiasco known The Last Guardian? Boy that game better be polished when it comes out... Now it's sony fanboy's turn.

[MannGamer]

Lmao @ Gamer666 "I own all 3 console, I am no fanboy"
Most of your comment made on this site have been pro Xbox, calling people that support Sony on this site "fanboy".
Drop the act. You are on of the greatest fanboy yourself.

[Gamer666]

Yes I like XB most and play multi-platform games on XB. But, I do play all the PS exclusives and the Wii U exclusives.

XB has faults as well, but I am tired of the same repetitive articles on this site... And only fanboys would write those articles because everyone already knows that PS4 can do 1080p on most games and X1 can't. And fanboys have to keep drilling it in like a bad date that never seems to end.

[Flames76]

There is alot under the XBox Ones hood to work with some developers get there quicker than others.Hell still Ryse is the best looking game out right now.So i cant imagine gears or halo on the Xbox One

[SporadikStyles]

I know it is scary thinking of how good those games will look. Ryse still blows my mind every time I play it, same with my friends when they see it.

[SporadikStyles]

Love reading that even the devs find the Microsoft witch hunt annoying. Anything Microsoft since the announcement of Xbox One has turned into an online witch hunt. The same people never did this back in the PS3/360 generation when many games ran or currently run at a lower res, no AA, lower quality textures on the PS3. Why? because who cares.

Looking at my 360 launch games on my shelf I recall almost all of them being upscaled to 720p from 480p and look where we are now!

Grow up children and stop this annoying witch hunt for everything Microsoft

[Deltaguy]

Graphically The Order shits on every xbox one game to date...Facts

[larrysdirtydrawss]

devs are already able to take full advantages of the PS4 is because they are already familiar with the architecture

coding always gets better,game engines always get better, o.s shrinkage also brings more power,sdk/tools always advance and get better. the gpgpu/8 ACE'S 64 queues is not fully tapped by any stretch.. long long way to go

[larrysdirtydrawss]

btw quantum break looks like an eye sore next to the order,jesus christ

[Max-Zorin]

All this bragging about 1080 is only mocking PC gamers.

[Geekman]

Gr. I hate having to wait on updates. All 3 consoles do it. I miss the PS2 era.

[Edsword]

I just wish games would start being fun again. Great graphics come with a price every time you see something that doesn't quite jive with reality. The better looking games get, the less imaginative they seem to become. Just saying! I like the new graphics, but when that box doesn't break when I hit it with an RPG, it bothers me more now than ever.

[strigoi814]

auto balance yup just wait for the cloud to settle right? /sarcasm

[Father__Merrin]

sure Xbox1 will get better, but at the same time it's not as if ps4 will standstill

graphics card and memory are superior on ps4, Xbox1 will not auto balance

unless there is a secondary secret esram chip and or cloud processor comes into effect which it won't

funny how only gameplay matters now??? obviously gameplay comes first but crossing over to a new gen of console's you want better gameplay along with better visuals

things will only get worse and not "auto balance"

[Ol_Boy]

Last gen Xbox360 fanboy: PS3 sucks. Games look better on 360.

Same fanboy on current gen: PS4 sucks. It's not about resolutions or frames, it's about the games.

I think that's whats fueling this "resolution war."

[solidboss07]

Auto-balance what? The debate was over before they launched. PS4, cheaper, better.
XB1 too expensive, under powered, difficult to get next gen running on it. Designed and geared towards expensive Pay walls.

Ha ha. Debate. That's funny, really is.

[gedden7]

Its a stupid debate in the first place... People just look for an excuse to ish on someone else's console... It would have made sense if one or the other couldn't run games in the same frame rate.. But resolution??? really????

[shotime97]

it's just like the last gen the ps3 was a pain to develop for same with the ES ram. The Xbox one has a bottleneck as of late and it's not the gpu witch is more then capable of 1080p/60 it's that small chunk of ES ram once the tool's get better all this will go away and 1080p will be the norm for the Xbox one

[JohnS1313]

This problem will never go away. Anyone who says it will is ignoring the fact that as developers get better on the Xbox One they'll also get better on the PS4. The PS4 has a big advantage with the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. That will always be a big advantage.

[Codey47]

Don't any of you guys get bored of reiterating the same old shit?

[AutoCad]

oh no ! n4g will shutdown if this is true.lol

oh nvm they will find other things to bash.

[Mister_G]

I honesty thought comparison videos wouldn't be necessary this generation.... but yeah, maybe in a year 1 or 2 when the dev tools mature a bit it'll equalize.

[cruzngta]

Give it time and the dev kits will allow for better ways to use the esram and 1080p will be easier to target on X1. PS3 had a similiar problem at launch as well. People forget that. The X1 is a powerful console and can do 1080p - it already has on many games. The PS4 is just insane and will be putting out graphics that we will all be amazed at. The exclusives for MS will be the key and as I said in time the devs will get 1080p with more time with the hardware so people just need to realize that and relax.

[MAULxx]

People that cared about resolution and framerates bought or should have bought a PS4. Those that don't care or just went by brand alone got the Bone.
I don't care about Thief so I'm not getting it anyway but most people know or should know by now that the PS4 is more capable and a no nonsense system.
This guy wants the game to sell well on both systems and he doesn't want to alienate anyone.

[jerjef]

I don't have either console yet, simply because I never buy a console within the first year, but I do check out all the threads and articles talking about the consoles to aide in my eventual decision and one thing I have taken notice to is that the only people who seem to care about the resolution of Xbox One games are PS4 owners.

Can someone please tell me why?

[madjedi]

Basically for 6-7 yrs xbox owners rubbed superior multiplatform games in ps3 gamers faces every chance they got.

So ps4 owners are giving them the same exact treatment that 360 owners gleefully subjected ps3 owners to ie karma.

And i have a 1080p tv, and it's a new generation of consoles and really 720p should be a relic restricted to last gen consoles.

And some of it is people calling other out on bullshit statements, if the xbone was powerful enough for 1080p games as a standard.

No one would say bullshit like how they can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or 900p is close enough to 1080p or upscaled 1080p is just as good as native.

[jerjef]

Oh ok, so it's got nothing to do with games, just schoolyard childishness.

[madjedi]

Yes your matureness, you asked a question and it was answered take care not to break a leg getting down from your high horse.

If the article was discussing ryse vs killzone then it would be about games, since it's about the xbox one and ps4's difference in resolution in games that is what is being discussed.

Maybe when both system have more distinct games that will be discussed till then stop thread whining.

[GetRealOne]

1080p is not everything, there are thousand things that are making a huge difference. Cheaper, more and better games, psplus, cool new os, hardcore gamer focused, and so on... The Hardwaregab is huge and also a factor, but its only so funny because the console is much cheaper. Its sad because the 360 was outstanding. The OS is rushed and way worse than the one of the 360. And Kinect is nice but I want a company that focus on me and not on the family entertainment. I buy a car to have a car. Cool features are nice but I want the best for my money. I don't need a Ferrari, but if I can get it cheaper than a Honda I say hell yes! Everything else is extra bonus. Its sad how many people can't handle their money. They living from one day to another, never growing up.

[idontcare]

You're on of the reasons why gaming is going down the drain. It's about having fun no matter what platform. What do you think will happen if there's only Sony? Competition is healthy for the industry my little kid.

For me everything about the Xbox One is better/more attractive. There's hope that The Order's gameplay is not just straight shooting ... if so, i'll wait till Uncharted and see how that's shaping up.

The only reasons to buy a PS4 as my 2nd console are God Of War and Uncharted (ok, i found Tomb Raider a little bit better). 80% of my friends own a Xbox One and i'm really interested in the Gears of War and Halo series. And then there's this little thing called Titanfall.

It's just cool to hate Microsoft these days. Sad little fanboy kiddies.

now standby ... ehm "wait" for Titanfall! :)

[GetRealOne]

No Child on this side, i am 34. Tge funny thing is i thought the same thing about you, because of your weird pm's. what language is that? And i am no faboy i have 101650 Gamerscore. Me and my friends all played last generation on the xbox 360 and thats because the ps3 was the same like the xbox one now. High Priced and the competitor had same and mostly better ports. I bought a ps3 at 300$ the 80gb to play the many many exclusives out there. Multiplattformgames i played every time on my 360. I love Halo and even think Halo 4 is the best out of the series and discussed alot with my friends about this, because they don`t think so. And i also loved Gears of War, even Judgment. But i am not a racer fan and besides Fable, Alan Wake and all the awesome games at the beginning like Perfect Dark, Condemned and Kameo there was the last years nothing. I know i will love titanfall on my 360. And i surely buy a xbox one at 300$ pricepoint, but this time microsoft screwed up badly. All three companies are very good and have high quality games, nothing to discuss about. I have my pricipals. I think its very good people showing microsoft there anger with not buying this debakle, because thats a chance they can get better like sony did last generation. And look where it get them. I think you are to much addicted to Microsoft. We are all gamers and we love games, but this mean we have to be buying everything? We have a voice too, you know?

[idontcare]

But i'm more interested in the games for xb1. To say i'm addicted to MS just because i don't want a PS4 is ignorant and makes you look lke a fanboy even more. Very sad ... whatever, from now on i will ignore you. there's no help for you.

[GetRealOne]

I agree with you, its better for everybody. The on Xbox One are very good either. You will always like a game more on another console. But if you like no game on ps4 you have no passion for games. Perhaps you like on Ps4 2 games from the exclusives and on the Xbox one 8 games as example. I set it higher, because its perhaps 4 to 6 or nearer, because have outstanding games. The games running not away and I can wait. Ryse and dr3 I played at release and titanfall I play on my 360. I am glad I sold my Xbox one for 450$. So I lost not so much. And at lower price I have great games to play. Meanwhile I have great games on ps4 too and best out of non-exclusives, that's why everybody bought next-gen, because without that I can play with my 360. Metal Gear as example, same resolution only 30fps more, it's not worth it. Let's keep peace and let everyone enjoying, hate, discuss or favor what they want. Life is too short!

[NeoTribe]

Misterx must have been right by this logic. Further investigation has broughtforward a startling anylasis of the xbone hardware. It seems to be of organic orogin.... its growing a second cpu/gpu as we speak.... "clever girl".

[-Gespenst-]

Well yeah... It'll appear that way anyway. Only because of multi-platform development necessitating that the title look identical on both consoles. Otherwise they'd lose money on the "lesser" version, and probably lose their deal with the company whose console got that "lesser" version.

None of that shit matters though. It only seems like it matters because money is involved.

The console wars are fought by a bunch of brainwashed consumers - brainwashed by the various marketing / advertisement processes of corporatism. The corporations they defend keep them keyed up so that they'll spend their money even more aggressively. Just let it go, don't give these corporations the time of day. Neither console is intrinsically "better" - any superiority is manufactured and ultimately means nothing. Why do you think SNES games like Chrono Trigger are still so good? Ignore the lies, the hyperbole, and the exaggerated marketing rhetoric, cut through the bullshit, and demand that these corporations care about the medium and the art and its positive contribution to culture rather than goddamned money. When they make consumers behave like tribes, that shows they only care about maximizing profits - the games and the consoles are means toward the end of profit. There's no real soul in anything they give us - that soul is fundamentally offset by the profit motive.