Xbox One's eSRAM Too Small to Output Games At 1080p But Will Catch up to PS4 - Rebellion Games

Sniper Elite 3 senior producer Jean-Baptiste Bolcato talks about the challenges of developing on the Xbox One.

[GamerXD]

There you have it people. X1 can barely do 1080p so quit defending X1.

[gameseveryday]

You should read the title again: "But Will Catch up to PS4" He also confirms that an SDK update is incoming.

No console wins. Only gamers wins. Although the tech differences are there, I rather have excellent games for PS4, Xbox One and Wii U. Trust me, you need all three big guns to make this industry flourish.

[ShugaCane]

But why does the 100$ more expensive hardware has to catch up with the 100$ cheaper one ? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around ? ...

[iamnsuperman]

The question is how? The guy complains about the size being the problem and how tricks are needed to work around the issue. But like every generation the games get more complex and demanding as the years progress. The PS3 was a bit different in it was just hard to develop for (the power was there just it wasn't that simple to access and it did suffer when it came to multiplats for half of the generation).

[majiebeast]

It wont catch up you cant catch up in superior specs. It will run games at 1080P thats what he means the 2 will never be equal.

[Sarcasm]

It's only a dream that it will "catch up" no amount of firmware or updates or magical fairy dust will make up the difference in GPU cores. It's simple 100% factual data! How many times do people need to see it?

PS4 GPU 1152 Cores, 18 CUs - ~HD 7870
X1 GPU 768 Cores, 12 Cus - ~HD 7790

It's like saying Nvidia could make a firmware that will make a GTX 750 as fast as a GTX 760 Ti. It's NOT going to happen!

[Charybdis]

ram is not main reason why ps4 more powerfull, but is reason why so many xb1 games aren't in 1080p.

"we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines.

(edit)"But definitely there’s this eSRAM. PS4 has 8GB and it’s almost as fast as eSRAM [bandwidth wise] but at the same time you can go a little bit further with it, because you don’t have this slower memory. That’s also why you don’t have that many games running in 1080p, because you have to make it smaller, for what you can fit into the eSRAM with the Xbox One.”

[imt558]

Quote :

You should read the title again: "But Will Catch up to PS4" He also confirms that an SDK update is incoming.

Catch up how, where and when, Rashid???

Microsoft will improve, Sony will stagnate...

:rolleyes:

[rafaman]

You should read the entire article, no the title only, mate. There is a new sdk coming

[Gazondaily]

"They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines."

This is interesting. I wonder if other devs will be able to push 1080p more on the X1?

[morganfell]

So he is saying that software innovations on the PS4 will remain at a standstill and the X1 will close the massive hardware performance gap with software.

Alrighty, believe that if you want...but facts are stubborn things.

Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

[pompombrum]

Lol @ all you haters saying the Xbox One won't catch up to the PS4... you underestimate the power of the cloud /s

*insert random darth vader cloud meme here*

[imt558]

@rafaman

POWER GAP between Xbone and PS4 will always exist and not by a small margin.

http://www.dualshockers.com...

Here is one hell of a GIF for you :

http://i.imgur.com/zNkOp4e....

[dedicatedtogamers]

The "will catch up to PS4" statements are a bit puzzling. How will X1 catch up to PS4? By getting better dev tools? Okay...but PS4 will also be getting better dev tools. The idea that X1 will "catch up" or "narrow the gap" is completely devoid of any facts or reality.

And resolution is but one piece of the puzzle (though it is important and I'm glad X1 is supposedly improving in this respect). Texture assets, physics, particle effects, lighting, and of course framerate are also an issue, and X1 has proven to be inferior in these respects as well. Forza 5 showed what sort of sacrifices are necessary to make an X1 game 1080p/60fps. So, I will go ahead and agree that "resolution isn't everything"...because there are many other aspects in which the X1 is lagging.

I also love how journalists/devs like to use the phrase "PS4 is better, on paper, at least". Yeah, and in pretty much every multiplat game we've seen so far. It's 100% clear that PS4 is more powerful. Let's move on.

[hay]

Acutally, with reported 32MB of ESRAM memory, it'll be just enough of it for 16bits per pixel 1080p frame.

Meaning, colors might take a hit. Xbox 360 comes to mind with 10Megs of ESRAM, being barely enough to handle 720p frame(reason why most Xbox games were below sub 720p). BUT! There's ESRAM based antialiasing, which might balance some things here.

[TheGreatAndPowerful]

So that's the reason why Sniper Elite 3 looks like a last gen game...forced parity because of the limitations of the Xbone's hardware. Just look at the latest trailer of the game and tell me that's not true.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Sammy777]

there is nothing that can make up for 16 rops difference . Also there is nothing that can make ddr3 run at fast as gddr5. But no brainer as this is coming from gaming bolt, a garbage website

[SmielmaN]

No we don't need three big companies. I was more than happy with Playstation and Nintendo

[Sammy777]

also Gaming bolt
Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

like morgan pointed out

[Visiblemarc]

Yeah...first I'll say, I love games period. I am not a fanboy of any sort...

But...this has kinda gone too far.

Xb1 is less powerful and always will be. The reason I can say this is I'm not a developer who has Microsoft glaring at them.

The machine has less GPU power, slower/split ram. Will SDK improve? Yep. Will that allow 1080, possibly....but PS4 kits will improve too. "Catch up" implies PS4 is standing still. It isn't.

This becomes really important on cross platform and lower budget titles. Just look at last gen where Ps3 had so much untapped cpu power, but it was hard to use. In many cases it never "caught up" because 3rd party studios don't have time and budget to solve these puzzles.

Like always, I'll add, that power is great and important but far from everything.

I love my Vita so damn much, but also adore my 3DS.

The only thing is, I'm tired of people pretending these machines are equal. Not because I want one to be better than the other but because I can't stand people bending reality to suit their desires.

[starchild]

The XB1 will never catch up to the PS4. The PS4 is simply more powerful.

That said, the difference isn't quite so massive as some people here imagine. There will be great looking games on both consoles. The skills, tools and techniques of each studio will play a larger role in how each game looks than sheer hardware power will. Multiplatform games, however, will likely always tend to have advantages on the PS4 over the XB1.

[mcstorm]

@Rashid Sayed your spot on. This fan boy stuff is just becoming deft. We know the ps4 has more power and the Wiiu has the least so it is kind of like lost gen but power dose not = greatness. Its all about the games and so far both Microsoft and Nintendo are delivering great games. Sony have some to come too so for me his means more than power as its the reason I buy console because it has the games I want not because it has more power.

Just like anything we buy in life get the on you want and go and comment about how good you fin it and stop going on about how bad you think something else is as we all like different things and all 3 have + and - sides.

[Sarcasm]

" the difference isn't quite so massive as some people here imagine."

It is a big difference except we have come to a point where it is harder to spot for the average joe. I can list the many different things which I'm sure you already know, but 720p vs 1080p is a 1.1m pixels difference. In the PS3 vs 360 era, the biggest difference was around 200,000.

So it just "appears" that the difference isn't big, but it is. But you're right though that it's not to say the X1 won't come up with some good looking games in its own right. But as far as outputting the highest resolution with the most effects, it's never EVER going to match the PS4.

[truefan1]

I love the fact that ps4 fans love to debate about why the XB1 is inferior to the ps4, more than they actually brag about how great the ps4 is. I'll take my less powerful hub over "pure gaming machine" anyday. 93% of people don't care about minute differences. All the comparisons have ever so slight difference, when some could be argued look better on XB1. What I don't get is that if you all care about graphics so much, why not get the games on PC, because all the debated multiplats TR, BF4 are superior. Games on XB1 are running 1080p and really I don't even care about all that. The game that set the standard graphically is 900p. Also the Order will be 800p, so why you guys are arguing about 1080p is funny. Deny all you want but they are cutting the screen by 30%, that is not full 1080p. Is the ps4 more powerful-Yes, but so far the main games running at 1080p are indy games. I'll take my slightly less powerful console with way better games any day. Right now XB1 is the place to play new fresh games, while ps4 fans will be playing the 4th uncharted, 3rd Infamous, and the movie known as the order. Phil Spencer is leading the xbox gaming division in a much better direction this gen, while Sony is having its customers wait for everything, updates and games. I laugh when I see all the ps4 fans here, but won't be on articles about how the eraserstation is back at it. Game humbly my friends.

[CryofSilence]

Truefan1.

Someone should introduce you to simple math.

Ryse @ 1600 x 900 = 1.44 million pixels

The Order @ 1920 x 800 = 1.536 million pixels

You see, it isn't actually 800p; it has a 1080p horizontal pixel count (1920). They are debating whether to make it 1080 vertical pixels and trade awesome AA or go to 800 for their cinematic purposes and better AA. They may still yet change it to 1080p; the key is they actually have the option (they say the bandwidth of the 800/4xMSAA is actually higher than 1080p).

[04STIBluByU]

Out of curiosity? When the PS2 DOMINATED...did we get crappy games and horrible service? I didn't need Nintendo or Xbox around when I played PS2 because the games were awesome and extremely varied...I'm just saying just because one console manufacture dominates doesn't mean we are in for horrible gaming times...I gamed just fine without the Xbox or Gamecube. (FYI I didn't disagree with you...only replied to you.)

[scott182]

I don't really care which one is more powerful, I didn't care last gen that 360 multiplats usually looked better. All I wanted were Sony's fantastic first party games, and that's still what excites me more than anything.

Sony's studios are why I want to support them, the PS4 could have the WiiU's hardware and I would still be just as optimistic.

[Pogmathoin]

Love this site, seen some awesome posts from Rashid in a good way about PS4, and hes the man, but one lil complimentary post about X1 getting better and you lot turn into ravenous lunatics again..... Wonderful! Be consistent people!

[morganfell]

@04STIBluByU,

Great post. The statement "Competition is always better for the consumer" is one of the great mistruths so often quoted as fact.

As you stated, when Sony was so far in the lead they were out of sight they never stopped innovating or pushing the experience envelope.

[JsonHenry]

Exactly what I've always said. You need all three being cut-throat and competing just like you need the PC making leaps ahead behind the scenes to make sure when your next console launch the tech has been pushed towards greatness by "PC elitists" so that you have the biggest bang for you buck at the mid-range level so your next console/middleware is as powerful as possible.

[InTheZoneAC]

I was doing fine on ps2 when xbox/sega sucked
I was doing fine on ps1 when sega sucked
I was doing fine on snes when sega sucked

You just need good developers, who cares about underpowered competition?

[Kryptix]

It's very doubtful the Xbox One will ever match the graphical power of the PS4 while outputting 1080p native resolution. And for every multiplatform game that runs 1080p on both consoles, there are details missing on the Xbox One version and also using shortcuts to maintain a good fps. If you think about it, we should be seeing 1080p games right in the beginning just like last gen with 720p. So far, the Xbox One is not able to do 1080p with graphical intensive games like Ryse and why is Dead Rising 3 running at 720p if it's the worst looking game as in, it doesn't look next gen at all? I only seen one game that is lower than 1080p on the PS4 and that was Battlefield 4 at 900p native, just one.

Looking at morganfell's comment, you can see which one has the most potential. There's no bottlenecks to work around on the PS4, meaning that developers will have more time to optimize games on it and make it look the best possible with the tools they presently have.

I believe more articles like these will come out till the fanboys accept it and Microsoft admits the Xbox One's weaknesses. I don't think developers need to further clarify if it's something everyone already knows and accepts.

[Blacksand1]

X1 is a cable box, that you can play games on. That's it play games in 720p not 1080p my fios is 720p regular channels and HD channels is 1080p

PS4- Gaming first then t.v

X1- T.V first then gaming.

[johndoe11211]

I'm gonna say this, When a developer can make a comment like this “Yeah, I mean that’s probably why, well at least on paper, it’s a bit more powerful", it says two things to me.

One, either he is being coerced by microsoft to downplay the difference in power between the two machines or Two, he is trying to be as diplomatic as possible so as not to upset either console manufacturer. I think it's the latter.

The difference in specs of these two machines is way to big for a dev to use the term " at least on paper". Anyone with beginners knowledge in computer hardware and application will tell you that there is a significant difference in these two machines that will translate to gaming performance.

People trying to use this to show that the xbox will catch up to the ps4 is not only grasping at straws but also do not understand how devs who are developing multiplat games need to be as neutral as possible when speaking about the systems they are developing for.

No dev is going to come out and publicly say "yeah , the difference is just way to big. Graphic intensive games will always be better on the ps4". Not only will they not sell as much for both systems but they will also be jeopardizing their relationship with the console manufacturer.

[ThanatosDMC]

The bad thing is they talk as if Sniper Elite 2 was a greatly optimized game, which it wasnt.

I really hope MS doesnt try to enforce parity for their PoS console.

[elninels]

@SmielmaN

Sega.....

[tagan8tr]

@morganfell I agree I'm tired as well of the gamers win with competition argument. The console war has fragmented the Development community. As consumers we want the best deal to keep money "IN" our wallets not console makers wallet. If I have to buy two consoles just to play the games I want how am I wining as a consumer/gamer. These companys buy up all the good developers then hold them hostage making gamers pay a console ransom to play a game..

[JokesOnYou]

"Will the process become easier over time as understanding of the hardware improves? “Definitely, yeah. They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines."

-lol, he pretty much said exactly what I've been saying for months now. Some of course are trying to twist his words as if he's trying to say X1 will "catch up" in regards to hardware specs= NO, but it will DEFINITELY do 1080p in multiplats just like ps4, as he noted the only difference is its a bit more complicated to do so. You see the elephant in the room is that neither one is as powerful as current PC's but ps supporters try to pretend ps4 will be running games at 4k or something in 2yrs NO IT WILL NOT, 1080P 60FPS IS THE CEILING FOR BOTH. So in other words he clearly explained ps4 can get there easily because its straight forward, while X1 has a higher learning curve, thus with more time the same can be done. Also the fact that ps4 will also improve is irrevalent because although ps4 will iron out technicalities that limited a game like BF4 not being 1080p, or KZ SF lacking 60fps the point is the hardware still has a fixed ceiling behind PC at 1080p 60fps, while X1 will need better tools/SDK/Direct X 11.2 etc, again Microsoft is a software company and they have a history of making great development tools but even that said the point is obviously the hardware will always still be a limit, still powerful enough for 1080p 60fps ceiling with better tools+ more time. Once again a dev speaking basic truth for HIS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH BOTH, YET FANBOYS WHO NEVER MADE A GAME, NEVER DEV'D ON A CONSOLE SAY NO DONT BELIEVE HIM BELIEVE ME. lol, pffft I don't thinks so.

In summary a experience dev with hands on has said the limit of both is 1080p 60fps for both, ps4 is easier to get there but the X1 "Will Catch up to PS4"....lol he just pissed off a lot of the n4g ps hive mind community.

[ProjectVulcan]

Not the point JokesOnYou.

Xbox One can do 1080p on any game whenever developers want it too.

It can do 60FPS on any game the developer wants it to. It can do them both together.

That shouldn't be in question.

The question and point is whether Xbox One can match PS4 with resolution, framerate AND the graphical setting quality.

It won't be able to, if the developer pushes PS4 hard.

This is the point. Developers have preferred to try and retain the same sort of visual settings a PS4 title carries, and in order to do that, scaled back the resolution to get an acceptable framerate.

This is likely to be the preferred option for developers with many multiformat titles all generation.

This is a combination of things, but even with improved SDK, the nature of Microsoft's hardware lends itself better to sub 1080p resolutions- 16 ROPs only, and 32mb of ESRAM only.

These do not prevent native 1080p, they merely make it much more difficult to do and achieve the fidelity PS4 can do at that resolution.

I believe the producer meant Xbox One can improve to run higher resolutions, but it won't be without it's downsides relative to PS4.

When the consoles were announced I said that 1600 x 900 will probably be Xbox One's optimal resolution from a dev standpoint and good software engineers will probably target as the best tradeoff between visual fidelity and performance for a slower console.

For all Crytek's failings, they are undeniably world class from a technical standpoint, and they chose that precise compromise with Ryse.

[GadgetGooch]

I can't believe u got so many dissagrees for supporting all three consoles...this site is full of dicks sometimes....

[maniacmayhem]

Wow,

I can't believe so called "gamers" on this site fighting over resolutions and framerate.

I guess this is the only advantage the PS4 has over the Xbox One? (That and the price)

I guess the focus has been shifted off of what new games each system has or what new and interesting designs or gameplay each system is bringing to the table.

It's now the resolution war which if I am not mistaken the PC one gens ago. But of course the PC crowd was always told resolutions didn't matter back then.

[JokesOnYou]

maniacmayhem I agree with you, but I do enjoy a sensible conversation so I'm interested enough to respond to Vulcanproject:

"This is the point. Developers have preferred to try and retain the same sort of visual settings a PS4 title carries, and in order to do that, scaled back the resolution to get an acceptable framerate."

Vulcanproject, NO disrespect but you logic is terrible, PS4 has 8GB of fast ram that is very easy to use, X1 has 8GB of slower ram and 32mb of eSRam that is *more difficult to use the result is that both are capable of 1080p 60fps with damm near identical attributes but NOT EXACTLY ON PAR WITH PC= both are always limited by the inferior pc hardware specs, yet you are actually trying to imply that X1 with more difficult architecture which A 3rd party DEV SAID WILL CATCH UP DUE TO SDK= he's lying it will not catch up and your only evidence to go on is based upon launch multiplats and rushed last gen ports for a whole console gen with a lifecycle of 8-10yrs which has barely been out almost 3mo, lol Seriously?

"For all Crytek's failings, they are undeniably world class from a technical standpoint, and they chose that precise compromise with Ryse."

-uhm this is a very poor example to back up your position:

#1 I would say that I hope devs ALWAYS CHOOSE BETTER ASSETS OVER 1080P (going forward we'll see some types of games still less than 1080p and that's a good thing because it means those devs vision is being made accurately without emphasis on "predetermined specs") but the fact is if your position is that ps4 is more powerful AND X1 will NEVER catch up, then I would say "why bother" because in your own example RYSE surpasses all other 1080p 60fps games on ps4, all on less powerful hardware and without needing to hit that benchmark= makes the point of needing a "predetermined specs" irrevelant.

#2 Again why try to even suggest that a launch game is the final result of what X1 is capable of, lol anyone who has a vague understanding of history/how consoles progress knows that this is a ridiculous assumption.

#3 The point again is that ps4 is more powerful but both have a ceiling lower than what we see from current pc's, ps4 will be easier to reach that ceiling, expect X1 again as the dev said to "catch up". If you want ALL GAMES TO BE 1080P 60fps THEN BUY A PC. In a year plus you will see multiplats on both consoles hit the same specs routinely with minor differences like always for example color, hiccups, glitches, a few frame drops, a few missing pixels or lol= "a blade of grass" type of Digital Foundry over anlayzed pixel counting articles, hell I bet even a few or going to look marginally better on X1 for some unkown reason but either way NOTHING SIGNIFICANT that the avg gamer will care about.

[MarkusMcNugen]

lol @ all the Sony Fanboys saying we dont need competition for good games. You just go ahead and enjoy your PS4, while the rest of us will be enjoying multiple consoles and more exclusives.

I feel bad for your guys. You missed out on tons of great games that werent on a Sony platform.

[morganfell]

Things are the way they are because Microsoft valued the living room crowd over the pure gamer. They said so themselves. They told you what they were going to do before the X1 launched. It is Microsoft with whom you should be angry. It was intentional:

http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/...

It is a little too late to backpeddle now that the hardware is out there. Some gaps software cannot bridge.

http://i.imgur.com/N3iMLE1....

[4Sh0w]

Agreed Jokes, you once again put it all in perspective. Great post.

To say that the X1 isn't for gamers is ridiculous, the lineup itself says different and X1 selling tons of games speaks louder than any fanboy can.

[Longshot28]

They say it will catch up to PS4's current state, but where does that leave them when PS4 makes the inevitable Updates, and Improvements?

[dantesparda]

Lol at all the MS fanboys and their hive minds. The PS4 is alot more powerful than the X1, FACT! and i got news for ya's, the PS4's SDK improves too! So there goes that. Its funny how Sony even got MS beat in the software development department. What happened to all the talk of the supposedly impressive mono drivers or the even better stereo drivers or MS' software superiority? or DX11.1? Or how bout the cloud? Yeah, i know those dont matter anymore, only this SDK news does now, got it. New hope for you clowns to cling on to. Keep looking stupid MS fanboys, keep looking stupid

[ProjectVulcan]

I used knowledge JokesOnYou.

I'm not implying, nothing as subtle as that. I'm saying, outright, Xbox One cannot match the performance of PS4.

Especially not if two multiformats run at 1080p and 60FPS, mainly because Xbox One's hardware is particularly unsuited to higher resolutions, memory bandwidth, ESRAM size, ROPs, Fillrate performance etc all contribute to that. The more resolution you demand, the bigger the gap would appear. This is fairly well documented with PC hardware- as the game becomes more reliant on the GPU.

My evidence is based on indisputable hardware performance, both on paper, and now seen in practice. Indeed, I called this situation incredibly early going in detail, as far as saying Xbox One would share assets but at lower resolutions than PS4. I seem to recall you always maintaining there would be no gap at all.

Hows that working out for you BTW?

My example of Crytek is excellent, because they are technically world class, created the engine they built Ryse on, and Ryse was always exclusive to Xbox One.

Nobody got a better shot at making a cutting edge Xbox One game then Crytek SO FAR then, and even they chose a sub 1080p resolution.

They chose a sub 1080p resolution because for Xbox One, it is without doubt a better compromise than being bandwidth starved at 1080p as the hardware would surely be.

The software environment of Xbox One will improve, but it won't ever be able to make up for the shortcoming of the hardware on high bandwidth scenarios at high resolutions developers are ALREADY demanding.

See- that's the critical point.

You should turn your reasoning on it's head. Developers want to increase the complexity of their renderers as the generation goes on.

They ask more of the hardware, not less. Any more performance found in the SDK will go towards improving the render complexity, not constantly pumping resolution higher and higher.

You yourself said they should choose better assets over 1080p, and if more performance arrives, that's all they will do, rather than try to increase to a resolution the hardware is ill suited to.

PS4 will always maintain a performance advantage. It is fairly mind boggling to me that anyone would even TRY to claim it won't.

They seem to be the same people, JokesOnYou....that said no such gap would exist in the first place....

[dantesparda]

Oh well if Rebellion says so, then thats it, party over, they are the ultimate voice. NOT! its just some producers voice, not even a real tech guy's opinion. whoop-di-doo, color me unimpressed, the PS4 still kicks the Xbox One's a$$

[kryteris]

even if they can develop tricks, or a less need for large memory bandwidth, those scenarios are always going to be circumstantial. The PS4 has the industry standard for bandwidth, rops, and computes.

The question is which is the primary problem, ROPS, or bandwidth? You might develop an unneeded use for the extra bandwidth, but those rops will always be missing.

[kakashi81]

MS messed up with making a derivative of the 7790, its not even as strong as the 77790 because of the lesser cu's.

[Docknoss]

I really enjoy coming on this site and reading all these ignorant ubiquitous posts like it's going to help Sony dominate the competition. Yet it only makes me not want a PlayStation that much more. Bolcato seems more intelligently Inclined in the Know compared too you clowns spouting a bunch of Malark. So I trust Bobcat foresight into the Xbox One dropping another gear on Sony.

[Apex13]

It can only catch up by sacrificing something else.

[AndrewLB]

DedicatedtoGamers- yea. you obviously know more about programming, optimizing, and the internal workings of platform architecture than the head developer at rebellion games. lol. that's why you're here on N4G being a fanboy, posting from your parents basement.

If the same developer had said "while Xbone development will continue to improve, it's clear that the gap will only widen over time", you'd be hailing him as the bringer of truth and how Sony rules.

unfortunately for sony, things are so bad for them right now they had to sell off their VAIO division and are forcasting a $1.1 billion loss in 2014. if i were in the market for a big dollar purchase like a TV, news like this would sure as heck keep me away from buying a bravia.

[mechlord]

Aww guys, just quit it. lets talk about something else, ok?

There is no catching up to do since no new hardware is going to be added to XOne. yes, an new sdk is coming, better drivers, better tools i think...

Allright. i will play along.
MS cooks up a new sdk, it decreases the gap by some percentage...then SONY cooks up a new sdk and restores the difference...see?

people thinking that MS will ever close that gap via software only are delusional. Its not like the ps4 is done and immutable and sony will let MS queeze more performance out of the X1 without doing the same! Geez, wake up! if the hardware cant do it and it wasnt designed to do so, how the hell can software alone pull this trick?

[sephiroth420]

You are right, no console wins, pc wins, anyway it just proves it was released to early, both consoles, glad i didnt buy any at launch.

[mewhy32]

I love how devs arent afraid to speak out about the hardware this time around. I also love how they're pushing BOTH consoles to the max and not worrying about dumbing down PS4 releases to achieve parity for lesser consoles. I've never agreed with the practice of dumbing down games because of pressure to achieve parity. Ive always thought that you should push the available hardware to the max it can do and now that's what we're seeing....finally.

[GarrusVakarian]

"But Will Catch up to PS4 "

Lol, catch up how? Magic? You can't just create more power out of thin air. The X1 is simply not as powerful. Some people need to just accept that.

X1 devs will get more and more used to the X1 over time and will be able to get more out of it.....but at the same time so will PS4 devs....the gap will always be there and the most talented studios like ND will show that gap the most, just like last gen.

@Infamous Assassin

Disagrees mean nothing when stating facts. I could have 1000 disagrees but the PS4 still is, and always will be, the most powerful console ever made.

[Infamous298]

Thank you for stating the obvious , sadly , fanboys will still disagree to your comment

[Yi-Long]

Clearly, you haven't read about all that untapped power MS has lined up, hidden in 'The Cloud!!!' (...mysterious music starts playing...)

[PraxxtorCruel]

We've all known for a long time that the PS4 has more powerful hardware. It seems you're the one that needs to convince yourself and others around you. I hope you're getting paid for your troubles.

[GarrusVakarian]

@Praxxxtor

" I hope you're getting paid for your troubles."

Oh yes, handsomely.

"In the form of bubbles?"

Bubbles, liquor, women, grapes, various currencies, Im ballin', it really pays off to speak the truth.

@Sarcasm ^^^

" It's simple 100% factual data! How many times do people need to see it?

PS4 GPU 1152 Cores, 18 CUs - ~HD 7870
X1 GPU 768 Cores, 12 Cus - ~HD 7790 "

Yep, those are the facts, but you have to understand some peoples mental states, they will believe something that other people see as logically and physically impossible because they desperately want the X1 to be more powerful than it is. Lack of tech knowledge and denial = recipe for disappointment.

[PraxxtorCruel]

@ Lukas

In the form of bubbles?

[rafaman]

Remember the superior ps3,guys. Remember ps3 and the infinite power of the cell and look what happened

[GarrusVakarian]

@rafaman

What do you mean "Look what happened".....what happened was Uncharted 1/2/3, TLOU, B2S, God Of War 3, GT5/6, Motorstorm 1/2/3, Infamous 1/2 etc etc. Where were you last gen? The PS3 had the best looking exclusives by a country mile.

Multiplats looked worse on PS3 because of the complicated architecture, multiplat devs didn't see the point in making things harder/more expensive for themselves so they just catered to the 360, but 1st party devs who were committed to using it showed the power difference, just like those same studios will do this gen.

I accidentally agreed with you, btw.

[Infamous298]

@rafaman The cell brought us great games like last of us and uncharted etc. and did what microsoft magic sauce and cloud??? lies and more PR , Lol xbox fanboys still in denial.

[GarrusVakarian]

Another thing i keep seeing which i find seriously dumb is when people say the PS4 is more powerful "on paper"......what does that even mean? It's not more powerful "on paper", it's more powerful full stop. It's more powerful INSIDE THE CONSOLE. Some devs need to stop walking on eggshells and say it like it is.

[NoLongerHereCBA]

Lukas_Japonicus. I know it isn't completely the same; but certain PC's are also more powerful on paper than the next-gen/current-gen (whatever you want to call it) consoles. Yet if you build one with specs a bit better than the PS4/Xbox One, the consoles would come on top due to 'coding closer to the hardware'.

Optimization and the well known "Balance" can make a very big difference. This is why people say "On paper".

This doesn't mean that the Xbox One will eventually be more "Powerful" than the PS4. But the gap might not be as big because of it.

Really curious how big of a difference: "They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines." will make. Seems great for developers and gamers eventually.

[starchild]

You are absolutely right about the PS4 being more powerful and the fact that such a fact will never change. I don't see many here arguing against that fact.

But you go way off into fanboy territory with this part of your comment:

"what happened was Uncharted 1/2/3, TLOU, B2S, God Of War 3, GT5/6, Motorstorm 1/2/3, Infamous 1/2 etc etc. Where were you last gen? The PS3 had the best looking exclusives by a country mile."

Some of those games are not even the best looking games in their genre. You act like all PS3 exclusives looked better than anything else by this massive amount ("a country mile") and that simply isn't true.

Naughty Dog's games looked better than anything on competing consoles for sure, but even there it wasn't by a "country mile".

And I have no idea what you were thinking adding the Motorstorm and inFamous games in there. They were unremarkable and there were multiplats that looked better. Assassin's Creed, for example, is a better looking open-world game than inFamous.

God of War 3 was very impressive, but not to the degree you are claiming. Castlevania Lords of Shadow is a multiplat and it looks pretty comparable. The PC version I would say looks better than GOW3 overall.

The Gran Turismo and Forza games also had fairly comparable graphics overall...pluses and minuses for each of them. Dirt 3, Shift 2 and Grid 2 are also up there.

None of this "by a country mile" nonsense.

[parentsbasement]

"and always will be, the most powerful console ever made"?.......no more consoles are ever going to be made ?

[thexmanone]

@Lukas_Japonicus

"Disagrees mean nothing when stating facts. I could have 1000 disagrees but the PS4 still is, and always will be, the most powerful console ever made. "

Have you heard of the steam box?

[JsonHenry]

"Disagrees mean nothing when stating facts. I could have 1000 disagrees but the PS4 still is, and always will be, the most powerful console ever made."

True. Until the steam machines launch. ;)

There is no denying that the PS4 is more powerful than the current competition though. Especially since they are basically the same machines it is easier than ever to look at the white-papers and tell that. Let alone words from the actual devs who back up this fact.

[Kryptix]

@Yi-Long

lol This is the same way Microsoft explains it to the fanboys to make it more exciting and believable:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

lol It's Insheeption.

"You just don't get it because you're not smart enough." lol

[b777conehead]

the ps5 will be more powerful then the ps4

[BitbyDeath]

@thexmanone,

Steam Box isn't a console though as you can upgrade all the parts within the box.

Consoles have fixed hardware.

[shuuwai]

Well, not hating on X1. But i believe direct X could fix some of dev problems. -_- That's only thing X1 has over the PS4. Yet X1 just needs good first party studio, good example would be Sony's Naughty Dog Studio. -_-;;

[Kryptix]

Sorry, but DirectX has no real advantage over using OpenGL.

http://blog.wolfire.com/201...

DirectX is now easier to design for since a lot of PC developers are already used to it since it comes with Windows but OpenGL is actually more powerful. The PS3 used OpenGL and the only complaint we seen from it was from the cell processor being hard to develop for.

Throughout Windows marketing, Microsoft attacked OpenGL and made DirectX look like the better choice but what people don't know is that OpenGL held no marketing advantage which made it drown and developers were made to believe DirectX was the choice for the advanced and highly professional.

There really is nothing to be happy about that Xbox One is the only console that can use DirectX. Microsoft are just intelligent to make it look that way due to OpenGL being free so the people that designed it don't have the money to say anything.

[jackanderson1985]

If you read the article you'd see he says they will have it running at 1080p comfortably

[4logpc]

Shhhhh. This is n4g. They only read headlines.

Its gamingbolt. All they do is write a headline that's completely misleading.

[Eonjay]

This is true. I do find it telling that the PS4 will being doing so while supporting Stereoscopic 3D. The Xbox One version will not. It is also fair to counter my argument by saying that this may only be because the Xbox One doesn't support 3D as opposed to being limited graphically.

[AndrewLB]

Eonjay- the only way ps4 is going to do stereoscopic 3d in 1080p is if the same game can do a solid 60fps in 2d mode, because FPS are cut in half running in stereoscopic 3d. Also, i should point out that AMD graphics chips cannot do anti-aliasing while rendering stereoscopic 3d, so enjoy the jaggies.

[Volkama]

@Andrew AMD chips can do AA on stereoscopic images. People say you don't need use any AA as merging the 2 images of a 3D effect inherently smooths jagged lines, but I prefer to use at least FXAA for some games.

It doesn't even hit performance that hard if you also enable texture copying.

@Eonjay If the game runs stereoscopic on the PS4 but not the One it does blow the notion of parity right out of the water

[quaneylfc]

Its old news. they know that already, so leave the x1 users alone and stop reminding them.

[DeathOfTheFanBoy]

Will the process become easier over time as understanding of the hardware improves? “Definitely, yeah. They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines. The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine.”

The PS4 is thus more of a gaming machine in its core focus. “Yeah, I mean that’s probably why, well at least on paper, it’s a bit more powerful. But I think the Xbox One is gonna catch up. But definitely there’s this eSRAM. PS4 has 8GB and it’s almost as fast as eSRAM [bandwidth wise] but at the same time you can go a little bit further with it, because you don’t have this slower memory. That’s also why you don’t have that many games running in 1080p, because you have to make it smaller, for what you can fit into the eSRAM with the Xbox One.”

[Prime157]

It's weird seeing you quote the article and getting agrees and disagrees.

[bmx_bandit]

Ok Guys, listen...its simple....

Look at the games for 360 and PS3 when they started.
And then look at the Games from the end of the generation.

They look better. Why? Because the SDK and graphical Libraries were updated and optimized. So....according to your logic, this WONT happen this generation?

You really think, the games and their SDKs wont improve during the generation?

And: MAYBE, just MAYBE, MS has a diffrent SDK way better than the OpenGL-Libraries of Sony....so what MAYBE happens then? Right: ONE Games will improve, while PS4 wont in that way....

Im not sayin it will, but it could....just because DirectX is different to OpenGL.

[TH3BR3W]

You do realize that if they try to use anything but OpenGL on an amd based apu, that it's going to bottleneck the living fuck out of the apu? This has been knowledge for a long long long time. Just as if an Nvidia gpu were trying to run anything that isn't Directx it's going to bottle neck. Don't trust me go run the Heaven benchmark on either one and run it on both and you will see what I say is true.

Both Consoles are going to have to maintain all of their SDK's based off of OpenGL or framerates will plummet to a standstill with both of their current hardware specs. Not saying that some implementations of Directx can't be used by the game engines but it will not be able to run full bore Directx.

It's silly to think otherwise. It's like trying to say you can make better orange juice by using apples instead.

[AndrewLB]

TH3BR3W- What are you smoking? Do you seriously just make stuff up to sound like you know what you're talking about? OpenGL runs substantially worse than DirectX regardless of it being rendered on an AMD or nvidia chip. both brands of GPU are bottlenecked regrdless of the rendering APU at HD resolutions, and the only way to for them to be CPU bottlenecked is to drop the resolution well below 720p.

All the proof you need. http://www.g-truc.net/post-...

[Kayant]

@Septic

We will have to wait and see. Misterx is claiming there will be a 1080p update around march or so for AssCerd:Black flag.

Like Sarcasm said there is no way to catch up in specs XB1 will catch up but as it does the PS4 will be pulling away as it too gets improvements. If it's a very demanding game then both will never be truly equal as long as PS4 has the better GPU and better memory setup.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@GamerXD I wont defend it because I don't need to. I quite like my xbox one am enjoying all the games I've been playing on it regardless of resolution.

[dantesparda]

Yeah so, thats a cool story bro, and im sure GamerXD enjoys his PS4 but it still doesnt change the fact the PS4 is the superior system with the games with the higher res and better framerates. So enjoy that

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@dantrsparda... right back at ya bro. What you fail to understand is I actually enjoy the overall experience of having my X1 controling everything. Many think its minor but for me (get it... for ME) its been a game changer. On top of that it has most of the games I am interested in. Uncharted is the only series from Sony I genuinely love. So down the road I am sure a PS4 will grace my TV like my PS3 eventually did.

You can cry about better specs and resolution all you want. It wont change my enjoyment of my Xbox One. End of story...time to move on junior.

[Dehnus]

Erm, we could already do 1080p on the 360, but granted not with much stuff going on. It all depends on how many effects you wish to have on the screen and other things like AA.

Resolution isn't the only thing that shows how capable something is, just as a total amount of "Flops" isn't either. It all comes down to the sum of these things, yes the PS4 is more capable, but to tell me to "Quit defending the X1" just so you can keep bashing it?

That shows that you just don't have enough to play on your console of choice and can only have fun when you ruin it for others. In fact it shows that you fear that other machine, as you can't shut up about it.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

PlayStation folks still talking specs instead of playing games eh? We get it. The PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One.

Too bad it's all about the games. And right now the games are on the X1.

[SasukeX16]

There are actually more games present on PS4.

[kickerz]

@midnight- I was thinking the same thing. Ps4 is a little more powerful but honestly, consoles are about games. When did everyone forget this?

[04STIBluByU]

Dude will everyone please stop with the "Right Now" statements...I married her because she has a flat stomach "Right Now"...I bought this car because it has more power than you car "Right Now"...I bought this home because the interest rate was low "Right Now"...My console of choice has more games than yours does "Right Now"...If we as humans learn from our mistakes, one of those lesson's should be that the "Right Now" isn't always the "Right Decision" as history proves things "Change." Guys I'm not saying don't be happy with your console purchase, I'm saying don't use the "Right Now" argument for games because Sony and MS have proven to us many times over the "Right Now" games don't win console wars, they hold you over for better ones down the road...

[bennissimo]

@04STI:

But "Right Now" matters when you buy a console at launch.

[BOLO]

And here you are commenting about "Playstation folks" not playing games...While you...Are not playing a game on the console you're defending? http://trinities.org/blog/w...

[lifeisgamesok]

You ignored the fact that he stated "Xbox One will catch up"

The best looking game is on the Xbox One and a new SDK is about to be given to developers

[ziggurcat]

That's a moot point because devs will improve, and there's going to be new, more optimized SDKs released for the PS4 as well.

And the "best looking game" is an opinion, not a fact.

[4Sh0w]

You know when X1 has the best looking game because now so many ps supporters now fall back on "its a n opinion"= by omission of naming what's better they concede it's true. I remember same with Gears of War, it was for its time the best looking game, they all said "no its an opinion", then when KZ 2 hit many of the same naysayers admitted it was the best looking but KZ 2 surpassed it.....same will happen when ps4 finally exceeds Ryse graphics.

[pyramidshead]

Is it? I'm sorry I disagree with your opinion stated as fact. :)

[killzone619]

All the PS fanboys were saying resolution didnt matter with The order rumored to be 800p. Now its a problem if the xbox one cant pull off 1080p?

hypocrites everywhere...

[EXVirtual]

But the Order isn't 800p though. Whether it's 1920x1080 or 1920x800 (1080p with letter box/black bars. Also known as cinematic 1080p, used in blu ray movies), the image is still 1080p.

Anyway, no. The XBO will never catch up to the PS4.
Driver updates? The PS4 will get those too. Not to mention the on paper specs that people above have posted.
Devs getting more efficient with there tools? That will happen with the PS4 as well.

[killzone619]

1920x800

yes, and some PS fanboys thought it was 800p and damage controlled it. I dont know what resolution the order is but the fact that it runs in letter box is already a turn off to me. Rather have full screen like every other game...

[combatcash]

Honestly the only real difference will be resolution this gen. It appears the xbox one will be able to provide outstanding graphics and match the ps4's visuals but it will have to be at a lower resolution. If all the the textures,lighting,physics and things that matter are on par with the ps4 then the res wont be much of an issue.

[I_am_Batman]

That's the thing that bothers me the most with the so called "console wars". Most people that participate in those discussions about hardware power, resolution or framerates don't even have the basic knoledge that is required to have a discussion.

Even if some fanboys damage controlled a 800p resolution (that doesn't even exist) it doesn't change the fact that the Order puts out more pixels than any 720p or 900p game. Also it has the full clarity of a 1080p game because it doesn't need to be upscaled.

Do movies turn you off too? Because that 2.40:1 ratio is the way most movies are shot in.

I really hope that R@D stays with their decision of presenting the game in a cinematic ratio even though it would mean that I'd have to read a lot more of this 800p nonsense.

[SasukeX16]

It's 1920x800 which is CINEMATIC 1080p. 1920 pixels horizontal and 800 pixels vertical like in a movie which is why there is the cinematic feel they were talking about. It's still 1080p picture but black bars on top and bottom . Which gives us a wider range of view. Nice try, though.

[OsirisBlack]

The order is still 1080p native .....

[BallsEye]

Funny...
Forza 1080p
NFS 1080p
Project Spark 1080p
Fifa 1080p
NBA 1080p
Zoo Tycoon 1080p

and many many more, therefore your statement is false.

[Hicken]

Zoo Tycoon? Really? That's what you're going with?

I mean, NONE of the games on the list are graphical showpieces in the first place. Well, not entirely true, as Forza has a few parts here and there. But as far as being TAXING? Nope, none of those games.

Start adding in any decent amount of particle physics and lighting effects, and watch everything on that list drop to 900p or lower. Or, on the other hand, keep the particles and watch the framerate slow to a crawl.

How about this, a different approach:

Gran Turismo 4
Tourist Trophy
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria
Jackass

All 1080i games on PS2, essentially 720p. Are those games as graphically impressive as what came out last generation? Are they as impressive as the ones in 720 we've seen this generation?

You think the SNES couldn't run Tetris or something similar in 1080p?

Just because a game is running at 1080p doesn't mean it's impressive.

[Master-H]

ZOo Tycoon lmao

[BallsEye]

@hicken
Can you even read with understanding? Comments like yours proove how dumb the community around here is. Guy said xbox one cant do 1080p. Doesnt matter if its forza zoo tycoon or damn mario but if it runs in 1080p its 1080p so machine is capable of outputing such res. Now I see you said 1080p doesnt make a game impressive. Funny you said that...i remember very well how you b'tched Ryse for being 900p and therefore not imoressive eventho it is best looking next gen game. But hey!! No one around here complain about 800p 30fps The Order. And dont even get me started its not 800p. Dev just confirmed it in a tweet saying they had to do it to get 4xmsaa. Typical, double standards.

[ziggurcat]

@ ballseye:

the order is not 800p. it's been explained countless times why it's not 800p.

post the tweet to prove a dev working on the game said it's "800p" because you, and everyone else beating the 800p drum seem to be getting confused with aspect ratio vs. image resolution.

[andrewsqual]

Says the guys who, outside of Sniper Elite, made some of the most horrendous clunky games ever with awful performance throughout.
Anyone up for a game of Rogue Warrior lol?

[christocolus]

@gamer xd

Is that all you took out from that long article? Or your just being naive..It actually says a lot more than that..you should read on.

Ontopic: The xbx one imo is a bit less powerful than the ps4 but it doesnt stop devs from creating great games on it, ms will make sure they push out enough content as sony did with the ps3 and in the end people wont bother about fps, res and all that.each console will be defined by its exclusive content.ms knows this and they hwve started on that front.

Xbox fans should actually be happy about this news. It means things will actually get better and devs will find it alot easier to code for the xbx one qlot zooner than they thought. The talk about new sdks should be a welcome relief to many devs,it means updated drivers ,software and easier and faster methods for maximizing the xbx ones architecture.this could result in better looking xbx one games with shorter development cycles..the games will get alot better i.e quantum break, halo5,forza horizon2, gears of war,rare ips, sunset overdrive, crackdown,phantum dust etc. Its all good to see ms take this initiative this soon.i also expect a price drop for the current model(kinect and bd drive included)to $399 or less before the end of the year(gamespot recently confirmed this from a new source). Its all good. Gamers get to enjoy it all.

[MorePowerOfGreen]

He's telling you why LMAO

[incredibleMULK]

Ha ha Xbox is lame. Why even buy the new one the 360 does 720p? Let's waste $500 bux. Yay.

[Edsword]

I am surprised we are still talking about this. The PS4 is more powerful hardware period. I know this dev thinks the XB1 will catch up, but catch up to what? XB1 2nd generation games will catch PS4 1st gen, that is most likely because the PS4 will be getting updated SDKs as well. Graphics are not the end all of systems, but the PS4 graphics, ease of development, and price point currently lead me to believe it will do slightly better than the XB1 this gen.

[Hercules189]

If PS4 is so powerful than Driveclub should be 60fps with no problem. If Ps4 is so powerful Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive will look terrible compared to the exclusive on PS4, heres a hint: they dont.

[DoubleM70]

In your logic that stop me from playing games on the Xbox1? You do know everything is upscaled to 1080P and it looks gorgeous.

[assdan]

I think the ps4's performance will be about double that of the xbox one for the next year or so. I think that devs will get it to about 70-80% the performance of the ps4 in a year or so once they figure out how to properly use the eSRAM. Then 32mb will eventually get too difficult to use, and it will drop back down to the same ratio as it is right now. I think that 95% of games are going to look better on the ps4 this gen, and there will be a few sports games that look the same. But anything that actually takes some horsepower, the ps4 will always win. That being said, it's a little sad that devs need to be doing all of these hat tricks to get a more expensive machine to get even close to the ps4's performance. I really don't understand what ms did this gen to make such a poorly built console. They somehow made a bigger, heavier, more power hungry, and more expensive device than the ps4, and it still has half the performance. I'm pretty sure the two machines cost almost the same to make when excluding the kinnect sensor, don't know what they did wrong.

[Mr Pumblechook]

"The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine."

It's odd how this issue divides gamers. Some people prefer a console designed to be a TV focused media hub, some people want a console that is focused on games. I know what I prefer!

[Mister_Dawg]

Tool. That's just what it says. Not.

[cannon8800]

People need to understand that the xbox one is always gonna be weaker than the ps4. It's not like it will magically grow 384 extra stream processors and double its ram speed be able to compete head to head against the ps4. Mature people will understand and accept this reality but for prepubescent children it will be questionable.

[Tedakin]

Yeah this wasn't exactly a negative article. He said it will catch up to PS4 once they figure out tricks and updates come to the system. And let's not go crazy about 1080p 60fps. NONE of the big exclusives on PS4 are 1080p 60fps. Not even DRIVE CLUB!

[bennissimo]

Except for the fact that the X1 will have great exclusive games, just like the PS4.

Defense of a console should begin and end with the quality of games released on that console.

[Mister_Dawg]

Steady on there fella.
Common sense is frowned upon in our modern age :-)

[JoseV76]

Sony ponies so far up songs ass it ain't even funny anymore !

[Painkillr]

You obviously didnt read the article...the dev said, "They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One." the developer says comfortable, you say barely....gee, i wonder who is right.

[corvusmd]

....you didn't read the article at all did you? First of all, as gamers, not being able to do 1080p meaning I should stop "defending" XB1 is ridiculous. Gamers play games...if there are good games on XB1, we should play them. XB1 CAN do 1080p, and it will get better with time....even when it "can't" the games looks just as good and sometimes better than games that are 1080p. There isn't a SINGLE game on XB1 that looks bad, let's stop pretending that we are comparing a high end PC to a gameboy...the differences are not nearly that dramatic, and if no one told you which version is which...you couldn't tell. In fact there are cases where the XB1 version looks better because the lower res version allows for better textures, smoother gameplay, and more vibrant colors (i.e. COD/BF4/TR)

[OsirisBlack]

Wait what? TR BF4 and COD on PS4 all trounce the XB1 versions graphically. I really cannot believe you would even post something like that. I have both system so its not a sony omg sony thing its a wtf are you talking about thing. Of the 3 games you mentioned TR looks to have higher quality textures on the PS4 as compared to the XB1.......

[gamern4g]

Well said mate!

[Milruka]

Both systems barely do 1080, while I'm here pumping 60fps at 4k on my desktop.

[Smootherkuzz]

The article said it can do 1080p @ 60 fps but programming is harder then Sony this time around for MS and MS and Sony is working with the developers. It said that Xbox One is a media hub plus. Like I have said both consoles are beasts. There is no losers here. So much early bad untrue news is amazing. For people to belive that MS would release a gaming system that would not be capable of 1080@ 60fps is just crazy. Now Sony maybe easier to program for which makes a lot sense that's a givin. The article states that the two consoles are very close which make sense.

[Artemidorus]

It will play catch up, learn to read.

[Artemidorus]

Ill educated.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

Performance update incoming...

[MightyNoX]

It all makes sense now...all they needed to do was download more RAM from the server.

[Master-H]

Stop degrading it buy calling it server, it's teh Clowd.

[GamersHeaven]

Pretty much what he is saying ESRAM is not enough even though they will get better use out of it in the future it will always be behind the PS4.

[jairusmonillas]

It have no chance on catching up, by the time x1 tries to catch up ps4 goes up to another level of graphics lol.

[bleedsoe9mm]

"They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines "

[Gunstar75]

Only on N4sonyfanboysG can people disagree with a direct quote....

LOL !

[killzone619]

yes its quite pathetic really....

[jessupj]

Forgive me. I didn't realise we had to agree with every single thing an internet article states.

MS fanboy logic... and you have the audacity to mention sony fanboys smh.

[Gunstar75]

@jessupj

If you can't see the stupidity of disagreeing with a quote, then you yourself are stupid. It's a quote....

And I am not a fanboy puddin' ....though on this site it's hard not to align yourself with the underdog when faced with hypocrisy and bitter vitriol.

[otherZinc]

Forza 5; Exclusive to XBOX ONE Runs:
1080p "Native" at a Blistering 60fps!

See Digital Foundry for video proof.

[Fishy Fingers]

Ironicly, even the developers game, Sniper Elite 3 runs at 1080p. Selective headline, as per usual.

[mmcglasson]

Speaking of Sniper Elite 3... According to the trailer... The entrace wound pretty much explode the persons face but when the bullet exists... there is nothing...

In real life the exit wound should and usually is bigger than the entrace wound. Of course this depends on ammo used... but most ammo makes a smaller entrace wound than exit wound.

[DanielGearSolid]

"Blistering 60fps"

What are you a PR buzzword guy

[DanielGearSolid]

Actually I just looked at your comment history... Just a plain old fanboy

[otherZinc]

@DanielGearSolid,

What I mean by "Blistering 60fps" is:

I drive "cockpit view", "front bumper view", or "hood view".

So, one time I was driving on The Indianapolis Motor Speedway track,ddriving 4 wide, going 190mph, on a straight away, panned the cars on both sides of me, the game never stuttered, it was a rush! Thecars looked so good, the track, it was one of the best gaming moments ever for me.

That's what I mean, when I say "Blistering 60fps".

[hay]

Means hyperbolized description of solid 60fps. Next-gen goodness to be honest.
Comparing to GT6 while amazing game, suffered form terrible hickups at the end-game literally freezing for seconds. Seventh gen apparently took too much time to end.

[andrewsqual]

@otherZinc So like Gran Turismo 6 then but without the day night cycles and dynamic shadow effects? Not a game worth bringing up to showcase a console that is supposed to have a 7 year (tough) life ahead of it mate.

Didn't Shadow of the Colossus use Dynamic Range Lightning on the PS2 9 years ago? You NEED to stop using meaningless facts to get whatever it is you are trying to convey across because it isn't working.

[KonsoruMasuta]

Sure, after being massively downgraded from what was previously shown before the game was released.

[Minato-Namikaze]

With that pre-baked lighting, and other severely toned down graphics effects, and no weather system.

[otherZinc]

If you read about Turn 10, they use "Dynamic Range Lighting", look it up.

[slivery]

@otherZinc

Is that supposed to make it better.. Dynamic Range Lighting is so old now, as old as Counter Strike and Half Life 2. Nothing special about it anymore especially not now, let alone something to talk about.

No doubt it did use Dynamic Range Lighting, tons of games use Dynamic Range Lighting, still doesn't change the fact it used pre-baked lighting and not realtime Global Illumination. Dynamic Range Lighting has nothing to do with being realtime.

Driveclub is the first racing game to ever use realtime dynamic global illumination. It also uses realtime shadowing and realtime weather.

Before you say, oh you're wrong. Games like Grid 2 and NFS have used it on PC. Well no, that isn't case because if you knew a little about developing in an engine, unity for example, you'd know there are differnt types of Global Illumination as in static/baked Global Illumination.

If the difference doesn't make sense to you which I don't expect it to for someone who doens't care to learn about it, look at it this way, really simple way of explaining it...

Baked Global Illumination would be like a pre rendered cut scene in a game, usually cut scenes look way better than the actual game and the reason is because it is pre-computed/rendered, which in simpler terms means it isn't using really any reasources from the hardware the game is running on and acts more like a video or a picture instead. Realtime Global Illumination is actually just the opposite in that it is being done in realtime on the system it is running the game on, not pre computed and then baked into the game later. It is using the hardware to run it in the game realtime, it wasn't pre-computed and baked in to free up resources like Forza 5's was.

I promise you, if Forza 5 had half of what Driveclub had, it wouldn't be running at 1080p or even 60fps.. The reason Forza 5 can is simply because they cut so many reasource driven effects from the game just to get it to run at 1080p, 60fps.. There isn't anything that complex about Forza 5 compared to other racing games like Driveclub or Project Cars, even GT does more than the Forza series..

So how is it even something to brag about having to cut back on something just to get better performance? It isn't like we stictly play 1080p, 60fps.. Wow looking at a resolution and framerates sure are fun and impressive.

Turn 10 knew exactly what they are doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had a big hand in this either because if Forza 5 did have more in it and it ran at a lower resolution and less frames.. Oh boy, the Xbox One wouldn't have much going for it then would it? It is already taking enough flack from so many multiplat games already showing significant differences on PS4.

Would I want a better game, that does more, running slightly lower frames or a semi decent game that runs 30fps more while lacking so much compared to the other.

I don't know about you but I can sacrifice those frames for more content and still running at 1080p.

If you prefer Forza 5 over other racing games that is completely fine, I just can't stand people who choose to ignore reality and act as if Forza 5 is doing the most complex things a racing game has ever done.

Plain and simple Forza 5 runs at 1080p, 60fps for a reason. If it had weather, realtime Global Illumination and realtime shadowing.. It would not be running at 1080p, 60fps on the Xbox One.

[Hicken]

Now let's see how many sacrifices they need to make in the next game.

[doolin_dalton]

I know you don't want to hear it, but it will only get better from here. Look at Forza 2, then look at Forza 4. They look like they are from different generations, despite being on the same hardware.

PS fans like you are falling all over themselves trying to downplay Forza 5's performance because Forza 5 is doing (as a launch title) what PS fans have been trying to tell us is impossible on Xbox One. When the next Forza comes out, it will almost certainly redefine the genre just as Forza 3 & 4 did.

Suddenly, racing games are the least graphically intensive games around. That's why Forza 5 is 1080p/60fps. That's what PS fans tell themselves to help them sleep better at night. If that's the case, any exclusive racer on PS4 better be 1080p/60fps also. Of course, when a certain title is announced to be just 30 fps, the excuse makers will be out in full force.

"Well, it looks so good we don't need 60fps". Style over substance I guess.

[GarrusVakarian]

Yeah it runs at 1080p 60fps, but at the expense of a huge graphical downgrade that MS didn't tell anyone about. They showed the game running at E3 on a PC looking amazing, then the game was released and looked nothing like it.

[doolin_dalton]

Huge graphical downgrade?

Forza 5's supposed downgrade is like downgrading a filet mignon to a top sirloin. It's still by far the best looking racer ever made, and it's better than a 30fps Mcdonalds hamburger any day.

It will be very interesting to see if a developer can produce a PS4 racer at 1080p/60fps like Forza 5. One thing's for sure though - if a PS4 exclusive racer is 30fps, you PS fans will defend it to death by saying how good it looks, or that it rains and turns dark. Meanwhile Forza, at 60fps, gives gamers the necessary physics and control to play an accurate simulation. Of course people will defend PS4's better looking clouds, because as we all know graphics are far more important than gameplay.

Again, PS fans are DESPERATE to downplay Forza 5 because it does (as a launch title) what you PS fans have been telling us is impossible on Xbox One.

[deadie]

@doolin_dalton:

Forza 5 isnt that impressive. Forza looks & feel like a very ordinary racer.
It will be very interesting to see how Forza compares both graphically & gameplay wise with Driveclub when it releases.
From what ive seen it seems Evolution Studios will force Turn 10 and even Polyphony Digital to step up their game.

This is my opinion of course. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DigitalRaptor]

Very good otherZinc.

Now let's see a 1080p/60fps racer actually WORTHY of the next-gen label.

[GamingNerd013]

How many cuts u think it had to able 4 it 2 be 1080P at 60fps? Let's c first the e3 version was a lot better but they downgraded it to able to run well on X1. Then they cut the number of cars tracks no weathers no day and night and many features r missing as well. At most it's really a forza 2.5 next gen game that is easily the worst In the series by that I mean even forza 2 wich was a launch title is better then FM5 that has more cars and more content all together and so really FM5 is basically a 2.5 game. C that's the problem with the X1 is it needs sacrifices in order 4 it to be 1080P at 60fps unlike PS4 doesn't need any sacrifices 4 it to be 1080P. Anyway I know down the road more games will be 1080p at 60fps but not as fine tuned as it would be on PS4.

[impet25]

It might be 1080p60fps but they sacrificed alot to get it there. I love the game but it is ugly graphically. Jaggies everywhere, my biggest complaint is the slow ass load times.

[cannon8800]

So what if Forza runs at 60fps. Do you even know how much they had to sacrifice to make it run at that resolution and frame rate? Do you remember the "amazing" footage that microsoft showed during the reveal and how it doesn't even resemble anything with the final version of the game? Sure buddy, anything can run at 1080p and 60fps if you sacrifice enough.

[Smootherkuzz]

It is not uncommon to reduce most console games from pc versions. This has been done since day one of video games. That's why there's is pc gaming fans. Pc still able to have more and faster memory, far better GPU and hard drive space. Consoles offer eazy use for the user.

[cannon8800]

@Smootherkuzz

I know that but it just isn't nice when a company shows footage of a game and then not tell the consumers that the actual game that they are going to purchase isn't going to look like that.

[nyobzoo]

So how would a 7770 ever catch up to a 7850?

How would 32MB of eSRAM ever catch up to 8GB GDDR5?

It won't

[alexkoepp]

Tiled resources dx 11.2 and an additional 8GB DDR3 RAM

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[pyramidshead]

The PS4 is capable of tiled resources as well btw. Just not the DX 11.2 way. They're called something different: Partial resident textures. Therefore the PS4 could easily utilise this technique and keep the gap.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
This dude explains it well too.

[bornsinner]

i think this dev like most devs are finding it difficult to utilize esram properly, just purely a design flaw, can't believe ms didnt see this comming. i know games can run at 1080p 60fps on xbone but obviously its too difficult to do

[4logpc]

Considering the devs stated they currently have it running in 1080p...id say you are wrong.

[DigitalRaptor]

It's because when they designed the hardware, it was more geared towards a multimedia entertainment box, not a cutting edge gaming machine, and they thought people just wouldn't care. just like they thought people wouldn't care about DRM and other stuff.

[Whitey2k]

Y cant devs admit that x1 cant catch up to ps4 a new sdk wont help the fact that it still has low cu less shaders less esram it can do 1080p but less effects to achieve it

[True_Samurai]

Oh I'm sorry we didn't realize that you were a developer and have received a Dev kit

[dragonopt1]

"The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine.”

[BluP]

Which is just one more reason why I greatly prefer PS4.

[Smootherkuzz]

Just gaming machine? What do XBOX ONE do that PS can't do? Make a list and post it here.

[TheUberAsian]

Catch up how? On the Xbox Two?

[DanielGearSolid]

I definitely believe the X1 will improve performance over time, but why would anyone think the Ps4 would remain stagnant?

@Bx81

For the X1 to catch up, wouldnt that imply the Ps4 isnt progressing, or atleast progressing at a snails pace

[BX81]

No one said the ps4 would remain at a stand still. Where did you read that? Please don't say the fanboys. You can't believe what they say.

[bmx_bandit]

But you do know, that ONE is different to PS4 according to OpenGL and MS-DirectX? So what makes your sure, they will improve in the SAME way????

[LexHazard79]

Or it could just mean that devs will be able to get games running at 1080p more consistently!

[BX81]

It can catch up in terms of more games running at 60 fps and 1080p. That's how I took it anyway. Obviously its not gonna match the ps4 hardware but devs can get better at utilizing it. That doesn't mean the ps4 is gonna sit still. I expect the devs to push it as well.

[BX81]

And the trolls come out from under their bridges.

[TheGreatAndPowerful]

Gaf user DieH@rd summed it up pretty well.
"It wont. Just look how Forza achieved 1080p60. Same will continue to happen with other Xbone games, assets will have to be downsized.

No amount of SDK tweaking will speed up weaker Xbone GPU or enable developers to use more than 32MB of fast framebuffer."

[4logpc]

Its funny how you can see which people read just the headline. If anyone says the game cant run in 1080p, I suggest reading the article and not just the headline.

[Holeran]

Problem is while they are playing catch up, people for Sony products are going to really start to use the GPU compute functions and spread the gap in the 2 machines again.

[IIC0mPLeXII]

We lose Pandemic, Lucas Arts, and THQ. All with games that sold just didn't sell billions. How the hell is Rebellion still around? AvP 2010 was terrible, and they also developed Rogue Warrior. Seriously close the doors on this studio. The last thing they released good was the first AvP.

[bmx_bandit]

Im sure they made better games then you did.

[IIC0mPLeXII]

Because I want to play a better game than Rogue Warrior I should develop my own games.

You are a genious.

Seriously, you are.

[gigoran]

Taking an awesome character from an awesome comic and making the wish of the comic readers come true... Oh those mean guys!

Wait, I mean "that was nice of them". Too bad people like you hate on things you've never played just so they can be one of the sheep and be like everyone else.

[IIC0mPLeXII]

If you played Rogue Warrior in the slightest and call it a dream come true, your opinion is not worth anything. The game was terrible and Rebellion will continue to make games that are sub par and budget titles. Check the track record. And I played the game.

Did I miss something, when was this a comic?

[Gamer-40]

Ps4 the most powerful console ever made. True.
Ps Vita the most powerful handheld game console ever made. True.
And? No offense, i like Ps brand, but the AAA exklusive games very important, and unique game design.

Their days the multiplatform games the most successful ones from all viewpoints. Currently of the machines (Ps4/X1) absolutely not a strong in the exclusive titles. Nobody knows the future certainly, only though makes guesses.

[MightyNoX]

Very good. Very good. No?

But how it (X1) be better than it(Ps4), please explain.

[Gamer-40]

X1 not better console than Ps4, but the numbers do not interest me. Only a games, AAA games and AAA game design. Multiplatform title or not.

Games waited for me:

The Witcher 3.
Titanfall.
The Order 1886.

Edit.

You though only (once again) only a Ps4 you wait for games, you talk to me because of this steadily.
I hope so you are not pride f*gg*t?! Because I hate them child. PS fan or not.

[rafaman]

I wonder where is this imense power of play 4,since it doesn't have anything comparable to ryse...

Maybe this year we will see, but so far, it still needs to proof

[GarrusVakarian]

"I wonder where is this imense power of play 4,since it doesn't have anything comparable to ryse... "

You do realise Ryse runs at 900p, has a framerate that averages in the mid-high 20's and dips into the teens, right?

And you do realise that Killzone SF not only has better lighting, textures, shadows, particles, tessellation and DOF, but it also runs at 1080p and 30-60fps?

And you do realise that almost all multiplats look and run better on PS4, right?

The power is blatantly obvious to anyone who bothers to do some research into each consoles best looking game. Killzone is a more demanding game that runs at a higher framerate and higher res than Ryse....because the PS4 is more powerful. Simple. It's like you people have your hands over your eyes and ears.

[gigoran]

Do you know how I know you are a xbone fanboy? Cause you think Ryse is something to gloat about hahahahahahahaha

[GamingNerd013]

Lol ur to funny yo prove u say will sir. Killzone SF is already a prove that is way better then ryse in every way and all of 3rd party games look better on PS4 as well. Really don't comment anything stupid again here's a hint 4 people think before typing with whatever ur going to type.

[windblowsagain]

Morganfell's data is correct.

It is not possible for the X1 to catch up.

It is possible for them to improve their fps, but they are now competing with themselves.

[MikeCash]

They have the game running in 1080p even without the new sdk which will be released in the future. So the xbox one can do 1080p just like the ps4 the only thing is that is just too complex to develop since the eSRAM is small. But I knew the n4g ps fanboys were going to damage control this post.

[windblowsagain]

Mike those are the cold hard facts.

Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

That is hardware.

Software wise, both machines will improve. But the X1 will never catch up. It's NOT POSSIBLE.

[DigitalRaptor]

Yep, they think Microsoft is Jesus - their saviour. But it will not catch up. It is not in the realm of possibility.

But hey, that's what happens when you purposely design a console to cater to "broad entertainment" rather than constructing a dedicated gaming machine: http://www.gengame.net/2013...

[Dehnus]

HEre wego again, thanks alot whomever posted that all these months ago.

Things are NOT that simple. There are others things to a console than just the raw numbers. There are bottlenecks (there are always bottlenecks, a system without them doesn't exist as there are always some components slower or holding something back).

I am not saying the PS4 isn't more capable but an the "ACE" number you fence with, is not magically going to make the machine 400% faster NO matter HOW MANY TIMES! you state it.

If that was teh case the Pentium 4 would have WHOOPED The AMD ATHLON in speed! As it's Pipelines where ALOT longer than the Athlon's.

ROPS the same thing. A rop is a Rasteriser that is more concerning fillrate. With AMD hardware they usually come in terms of 16. Sony's hardware didn't need 32 ROPS, but they probably needed more than 16. Therefore it has 32.

MS probably has enough with 16, upping it to 32 would have been a waste!

[jacksjus]

Common sense says the developers will get more output out of the XOne then where it stands today, but to say that it will catch the PS4 is unrealistic because obviously the developers will get more out of the PS4 then where it stands today as well.

[Dumb_username]

Yeah A company that hasn't made any worth while games in years says it can't reach 1080p, good one.

[Qwagy UK]

I've just spilt water over my PS4 and it no longer works, there you go Xbox you have now caught up!

[Sammy777]

people living in quandary about parity. Not happening sorry

[Masterh0ppa]

If I want graphics I turn on my pc. If I want enjoyment out of a console I turn on my xbox one.. ps 4 only for exclusives.. Just cause the xbox one has so much more to offer.

[incredibleMULK]

Like??.....

[jay2]

Oh it'll catch up to launch titles and maybe first gen ps4 games but that's it.

[Stoppokingme]

Bring on the SDK I say, nobody wants a machine held back by Kinect and other useless features, free up the resources so we can start seeing games @ 1080/60.

And the headline is BS. The guy clearly states that his studios title(s) will run at 1080p, but you can always trust an armchair editor to twist the words out of context.

[TheKayle1]

"Now it seems like everything has reversed but it doesn’t mean it’s far less powerful"

“Definitely, yeah. They are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines. The Xbox One is a bit more multimedia, a bit more hub-centric so its a bit more complex. There’s stuff you can and can’t do because it’s a sort of multimedia hub. PS4 doesn’t have that. PS4 is just a games machine.”

"“Yeah, I mean that’s probably why, well at least on paper, it’s a bit more powerful. But I think the Xbox One is gonna catch up"

the problem of the resolution will vanish...obv

the ps4 will have better graphics? ..yeah i think it will have

the ps4 this gen will have more exclusives and games? ..no i think absolutely not i think that this is the turning point ...microsoft know they have the less powerfull machine..and for this reason they will push with games ...that is the main reson why ppl buy consoles...

but if ur problem is the resolution ..dont worry ....both console in some months when devs will start to use in the right way ..tiled texturing ecc ecc..will show games just at 1080p or close to that....(BOTH CONSOLE)

the gen is jsut started...and really if u think that the gen is already end ahahah 1 month after the launch :( well ..u preparing urself for an bad awakening

[AnteCash]

Im just here to watch.

[nohopeinc]

Same here. The amount of time wasted arguing over what console is "da bestez guyz" is just insane. Play whatever makes you happy.

[Dubaman]

Im pretty sure a lot of people on N4G spend more time defending a console and bashing everything else, more than they play games. The self proclaimed "Mature Hardcore" lol

[heisenberguk]

Don't get why Microsoft would intentionally make hardware not capable of 1080P when they know their rival's hardware can!! Maybe they got big headed after the 360, a bit like Sony did after PS2! Swings and roundabouts!!

[Brute_Shot_Adam]

When all is said and done. I'm enjoying my xbone and looking forward to the great games... Even if they're not as good looking as high-end PCs.

[KakashiHotake]

Xbox One definitely has an uphill battle on it's hands. The whole argument that it will get better in time doesn't even apply because PS4 will also get better in time. What do they think PS4's just going to stay stationary while Xbox One only improves? If anything PS4 will improve at a faster rate because of the ease of development and consumer friendly price. I don't have any hate for Xbox One but it's painfully obvious that unless there's a dramatic change, PS4 will stay one step ahead of Xbox One this entire generation.

[Dorwrath]

Anyone actually give a shit besides the playstation users.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Did anyone give a sh*t, last time around?

-Where did Lens of Truth ,, disappear to? -I know, I know,, the discrepancies this time around would just be to much to bare for them.

[IRNMUNKEY]

Microsoft weren't ready to launch last year. They were aiming for a 2014 release and had to rush out system so as not to lose too much ground to PS4. This is why their developer tools were not up to scratch and the first wave of games weren't great.

It will improve writing it off after 3 months is ridiculous.

[PrinceOfAllSaiyans]

I want to know where all of this mysterious power that is suppose to make the Xbox One more powerful will come from. No one is falling for the power of cloud junk anymore. You just can't make a console more powerful. It won't ever be as strong as the PS4, no matter how much you fanboys say it will. It just ain't going to happen. And if it is possible to make the Xbox O e more powerful through patches (which I highly doubt) what makes you think Sony can't do the same thing with the PS4 ? Or even Nintendo with the Wii U ? And the most powerful console doesn't always win. Look at the PS2. So just because the PS4 is more powerful doesn't mean it automatically will win. Sure of will have better looking exclusives, and run almost all games at 1080p and have more 60FPS games. But at the end of the day whoever brings the most games will win. Sony bought the games during the PS1, PS2, and PS3 era. This time around we'll see. Right now MS has more exclusives but it is always like that with them every gen they start of strong and then slowly stop releasing exclusives. I'm getting off topic. But what I'm trying to say is the Xbox One doesn't need to be the most powerful console to win the war. So all this "The Xbox One will mysteriously become more powerful" talk needs to stop. It ain't happening.

[Chrisgamerguy]

Power means nothing, exclusives matter

[Nine_Thousaaandd]

Guys... Just watched a video for Drive Club and Forza, and I'm sorry... night and day differences. X1 will never catch up because the PS4 will improve over time as well. It's already outperforming it from the start. X1 couldn't possibly run Drive Club in its current development state....no firmware or cloud will close the gap....the PS4 is simply just better overall at game development...now and the future!

[Hakoom]

when the X1 catches up to the ps4s current state.. ps4 will be ahead with new updates that will make it even look beter..
so in reality.. x1 will n ever catch up to ps4..

[jhoward585]

The x1 will catch up to the ps4 using a new SDK update.

"laughing my head off"

The fact that the x1's eSRAM is used for z buffering renders tells me how weak the x1 really is.

Does anyone realize what this means....it means the x1 is only capable of rendering half the textures on screen.

Since we can see the back of characters/ objects it will never get rendered using z buffering. only the z axis get rendered.

if devs are not using z buffering for the ps4 games than the new x1s sdk wont change much of anything against the ps4.

[B1uBurneR]

This article is to put on notice that we'll have to find somethings else to distract and bicker about. Well there is a good thing that there is always games to talk about... but we'll be talking about the graphic difference for the lifespan of the systems on the resolution issue is resolved...

[Hercules189]

I'd rather have tons of special effects on 900p and 30 fps than 1080p at 60fps with less special effects. For most singleplayer games 60fps doesnt really matter, but for multiplayer 60fps is very preferred. Thats why I'm hoping 343 doesnt make Halo 5 to be 1080p and 60fps just for the sake of it. If they can achieve everything they want with also a higher resolution than great, but if not theres nothing to be ashamed of for having 900p.

[parentsbasement]

Man , this horse has been beaten till there is no horse left.....everybody gets it ,the PS4 is amazing , and all powerful and everybody should get one if they can ever make enough of them ,and I will , wouldn't mind a Wii U either......dosent make me not want my x1....

[joeorc]

lets look at this

Microsoft had last cycle:

What ironic is all last generation and all cycle the xbox360 was in effect said by many consumers and developers that it had the best hardware and the most easy to develop for design and the most robust GPU and it was cheaper. so what's changed?

Now apply this very same thing now.

Sony has this cycle:

The Playstation 4 in effect has the best hardware and the most easy to develop for design and the most robust GPU and it was cheaper. so what's changed?

You cannot have it both ways there, look the xboxone like the xbox360 before it is a good platform, but here is the blunt truth of the matter.

Microsoft has a very straight up history of never pushing the hardware they release. while the games are indeed fun, Microsoft just does not see it worth the expense to put more investment into a game than needed. And its very clear they do not have to with the profits generated on the return they get. Nothing wrong with that its really smart to do so. but this idea that Microsoft has changed.

And that Microsoft 1st party is going to really push the hardware of the xbox platform at the expense of Profit, because it will cost more time and man power to do so.

Well in my opinion, do not bet on it.

That is the very reason why it is what it is. Microsoft would rather rake in record profits than really invest more into a iP in order to gain very little advantage of that iP looking slightly better. Than making the game with slight reduced graphics, and still fun to play and still gain more profit on the sale.

It comes down to it Profit vs investment into each iP.
mICROSOFT HAS NOT MADE THE MONEY THEY HAVE WITH INVESTING MORE MONEY INTO SOFTWARE IF ITS ONLY GOING TO OFFER SLIGHT RETURNS! The Idea is they can invest into the iP with lower cost's and still reap great returns. instead of put more money in and still get near the same results in sale through but less profit on each copy sold.

[Hercules189]

Are you just ignoring the original xbox. That thing just wiped everything else off the floor.

[joeorc]

@Hercules189

No argument, it was indeed the most robust hardware of all the game console's at the time!

and they still did not push that PIII processor inside the xbox, i know because i owned one.

since than all the main founders of the xbox project Ed fries, jay, otto, robbie etc all 11 of the crew are all now gone from Microsoft! they all now have left Microsoft in the past 10 years!

they were all gamer's at heart. Not just spouting some PR, they wanted to push the hardware, but the high up's could not see the heavy investment to make the Games really push the hardware.

this is not just a fanboy outlook , this is by the people themselves who wanted to make the xbox project the best it could be. but that is just not the case. while its a great platform, the fact the higher up's said no to more investment into a iP/per iP basis, is well established.

[heisenberguk]

They're just presuming the PS4 isn't going to progress as well at round about the same rate the xb1 does!! Pretty laughable prediction!!

[SprigganN4G]

Library and pricing are the only two things that matters,

If Microsoft makes a kinect less Xbox One bundle at $300 and cuts the price to $400 of the current bundle, then Xbox One is gonna be a true contender.

[The_devils_chum]

The take away is that xb1 will always be limited.
Your hardly ever going to get 60 fps 1080p unless its some game like strider, the canary in the cole mine was killer instinct only 720p 60 fps that was proof.

[76erz24]

Read the article, the developer says the situation is much like Xbox360 and Ps3 power difference. Look how that turned out.

[jmc8888]

But it isn't. The developer is wrong, which is sort of like placing a big foot in his mouth. People have to understand that position doesn't make you infallible. What the developer said was wrong and what he was 'right' about was rather incomplete and only talking about the present.

PS3 was actually more powerful. The cell processor wiped the floor with the 360's PowerPC processor. Together it gave the PS3 quite an advantage.

That's what you are not taking into consideration and neither did the developer. Instead of the hard to code for system having a decent advantage, now it's the easier to code for system that has quite the advantage, and in multiple areas.

PS3 was more powerful, yet harder to code for and got subpar ports.

360 was less powerful, yet easier to code for, and thus was the lead platform. Being first, having more sales, and a lower price helped that impression among devs as well.

I had both, and bought the 360 version for my multiplatform games. They performed better. The differences were much smaller then what we've seen so far this generation and it's only going to increase.

The PS4 on the other hand has more power, is easier to code for, and doesn't have a crazy 32mb ESRAM limit to deal with. It will be the lead platform for games. It has more sale. It has the lower price, and so devs know it will continue to sell well.

The Xbox One on the other hand has less power, is harder to code for, and has the 32 mb limit. It also won't be the lead platform, but considering both are x86 that won't be as big of a deal.

Overall this shows that the differences in PS4>XB1 games will be multiple times the differences of 360>PS3. We never had a 720 to 1080p difference in games last generation.

That's like saying games existed on the PS3 that could only run at 480p but ran 720p on the 360. Not only that but the PS3 version had fewer frames per second and less graphical elements in them. We never had that.

We already have that this generation, and the bottleneck of the ESRAM will only make things worse going forward as the quality increases, and thus the space inherent in holding that quality starts dwarfing that 32mb's in the ESRAM.

Yes they can get more out of current cross-gen quality games. But at true next gen quality? Those workaround won't work nearly as well. The only way to get around this bottleneck is to lower the quality or lower the resolution or BOTH. The dev is talking about 1080p at this low quality and is forgetting that the XB1 version of games might end up being 600p (sub-hd) to fit it in the ESRAM at late gen quality. The PS4 has no such limitation and so it will be predicated on it's superior hardware which might be say 900p.

Microsoft needs 1st party games that are exclusive, that will be coded to the strengths of the system, and first they need to buy/create those developers so they can actually start working on those games. It'll take 2-3 years once those devs are on board, which they currently aren't. 3 years is close to half the generation, and that's if they had those things starting to work tomorrow.

[Tedakin]

Hmm. Every single Sony exclusive is 30fps. Sony isn't exactly htting it out of the park with the whole 1080p 60fps thing either. Even DRIVE CLUB which is a linear racing game is only 30. At least Forza was 1080p 60.

[Jury]

Shame on this guy for giving bots false hope

[jgrigs09]

LOL these comments are hilarious. People bickering over a damn gaming system. I guess fanboys first world problems are gaming and graphics -_-.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Im just here to say catchup is impossible because PS4 can do the same thing, and yes ESram is too small

[Hozi]

Catch up? I don't think so. Considering that the PS4 is already more powerful than XBOne...All MS can do is try their best to make it look better (1080p) and run smoother (60fps)...Meanwhile Almost all PS4 games have no trouble doing these two things and it's obvious the games on PS4 will get better as well so while MS is getting better, SONY is getting much better, and in the end the XBOne will still be behind the PS4.

[lungoes]

Just remember this: You can't polish a turd!

[LogicStomper]

I think it is actually possible to polish a turd literally. It might be difficult, but possible.

Figuratively on the other hand, yeah you can. You can. If you refer to an object, it can be polished with polish. If you were referring to something digital, software updates are the digital form of 'polishing'. Anyway, what is the turd you're referring to, cause I'd like to hear/read what is the turd and why.

[TheKayle1]

ill try to explan what i was saying better...

i think that both console are clearly made to handle 1080p (if u imagine the ps3 that could run games in 1080p had around 300gflops ..the xb1 have 1320 gflops/1.32tf)...the real point of the discussion..with what type of assets? with how many polygons around!??!..with what type of lightin?!..etc etc....

the poing is JUST and only THIS..

that said.....theres a fact: devs having problem on HOW to use the esram ..i think the problem they finding being created by and immature SDK...drivers and tools in general....
its clear that time by time devs will understand how to get the best from that hardware ..this happen every gen for every piece of silicon out there..
tiled rendering are being used more and more ..and when this will happen...well you will no need anymore BIG CHUNK of memory as render target..as they needed last gen
...MS engineers know this....SONY engineers know this...is just a problem of time for..MS

@otherZinc you made a smart post ..but honestly ..out there 99.9% of the gamers..cant tell you the difference between MSAA,FSAA,QSAA,SSAA (expecially console gamers)..etc etc etc...99.9% of the gamers cant tell the difference between backed or dynamic reflections 99.9% HAVE NO IDEA of how discern backed or dynamic shadows...
being ur post smart...im sure you know that this type of AA..or effects backer or dynamic take take lots of resources....and depend what u use...take DIFFERENT resources....maybe resogun without particle effects could run at 1440p?!? maybe yeah maybe it could run at that res just using the half of the particle effect who know..

also if i could tell you easily ...that i would prefeer msaa over eerything else...dynamic shadows/reflections/weather/li ghting ....coz are simply better.....there are millions of people that dont just dont care....and IF in a game istead to use that particles effect that running at 100%w will burn you half of ur resource..u just use it at 1/3...amd here we go u saved resource ..
a game can be BEAUTIFUL also finding way to save resource...
you dont need always 20000 particle effects...you dont need in every game d. weather....ecc ecc..

damn we need to be honest also the ps4 is suffering earlier developing problem...
the order 1886 likely will no be 1080p (and no ..guys i dont drink easily that the black bars are artistic choice are there to save resources) 30 fps...

Here the real question (and the only thing that could hurt the xb )is ...multiplats developers will go for the parity or will push more graphics on the ps4?!...(im not talking about COD..and BATTLEFIELD or all of this title that was developed on earlier machine that dosnt reflect the final console hardware)

but again..if ur problem is the resolution ..dont worry....you will be fine

[TristanPR77]

"as a developer’s understanding of the hardware improves, so does the visual quality of the games"

And this is also true with the PS4.

I don't get it, how is the xbone suppose to catch up with the PS4? Is Microsoft going to launch a new hardware? Because no software update can fix weak hardware.

Stop making false promises to xbone owners and stop lying to them. The PS4 is and will be the superior console this gen, we all know this already, let focus on games now.

[badboy776]

Catch up how? I'm too lazy to read.

[killzone619]

i dont know about you guys but i buy consoles for exclusives. If xbox one delivers amazing exclusives i will surely buy one.

the fact that Halo 2's multiplayer is returning to xbox one has already got me interested.

[dennett316]

I would like one for the exclusives as well - already a PS4 owner - but only when the price significantly drops. Kinect is a dead weight, and I refuse to pay extra for it.

[dennett316]

Impossible...it simply doesn't match up technically. It's like saying a DSi can "catch up" to a 3DS, it just can't. Devs will be able to squeeze more out of it, like they do any system, but that also applies to the PS4. The PS4 simply has more to play with. It's not even like last gen where one system was easier to develop for than the other due to the architecture involved - both are roughly the same set up, and both are easier to develop for than the PS3 was.

It's foolish of them to keep saying stuff like this, because it's simply not true.

[GodGinrai]

Me too *Yawn*. So im guessing we got at least another year of these articles? *runs off to check roast potatoes*

[DoesUs]

Not catching up sorry. Tools only get you so far. Sony also improving so the gap will never decrease, if anything will increase.

[MasterCornholio]

Software can always improve performance but the hardware will always remain the same. So if one consoles hardware is more powerful than another's than it will always be that way. No degree of software optimizations will change that.

[norman123]

look at apple devices. their hardware is not always better than the competition but it runs smooth and no lag. while the competition hardware is better but lag and underperform.

it is called full integration between hardware and software optimization.

[arugula]

Sniper series are terrible games. I dont care what Rebellion has to say. Come out with a AAA title then come talk. Until then, maybe focus on your games that barely move a million units or even come close to that as a series as a whole.

But, the Xbox one should of had no problems doing 1080 right off the bat. Its a fail on the developers part. Not MSFT's.

[KevinCubes]

But WiiU will have the definitive version of WATCHDOGS BITCHES

[arbitor365]

wait. rebellion still exists?

[DivineAssault]

I cant believe ppl are still debating on which console is stronger! Its obvious!!! I dont care what M$ does with updates, it xb1 will never match PS4s power.. EVER! Im not saying xb1 is garbage or anything cuz games will look good but not as good as PS4.. Performance might not be as good either... I know devs are going to learn its hardware & games will get better but the same will happen with ps4 & it will always grow along with it

[LAWSON72]

I couldnt care less, I buy consoles for games not the horsepower they deliver. That is why this year I will buy a Wii U and 3DS (maybe a Vita as well) before a PS4 and Xbone. So far only Xbone exclusive I care about is Halo 2(which may end up being a false rumor but if it is legit I will have to get a XBone if it is impressive)and the only PS4 exclusive that has my interest this year is the order 1886. As for mulitplat I got my PC and PS3 has plenty of exclusives to satify me on the console side of things. I would never choose a console just because it is more powerful because my console experience is not about visuals but nostalgia and new exclusive experiences that are not available on my platform of choice, PC

[Mr_Luke]

I'm happy with my PS4. I guess the Xbone owners feel the same about their console, 1080p or not (60fps or not). So i don't see at all the problem.

[D-riders]

??? wth ??? how does the title even make sense. The system cant do 1080, but will catch the ps4 somehow???? wth

[belleau86]

So let me get this straight XB1 is going to get a magical piece of hardware into its console, interesting indeed.

[Nocando]

I believe this gen will come down to SDK vs. SDK rather than pure hardware specs.

[Prime157]

"just a pain in the ass to start with. We are on fine ground now but the first few months were hell.”

I thought he was talking about a girlfriend lol. Interesting read, it's really what I've thought all along.

[jmc8888]

The problem is that 32mb's is too small for TODAY's cross gen quality of games.

But the quality of the graphical assets and effects will only increase as we go further into the generation.

So the question becomes at cross-gen low end standards of say 16 bytes per pixel in a framebuffer they can barely fit it, or at slightly higher they can attempt the resource tiling to get it to fit, what happens when that quality is 32, 36, 40, even 48 bytes per pixel?

At 48 bytes per pixel you are at 1920x1080x48/1024/1024 = 94.92 mb's...or almost 3x the space the 32mb's of ESRAM offers.

The dev also errors in saying how it's like last generation. It's not. Last generation the overall most powerful hardware was in the PS3, it was just tough to access. So PS3 had more power, 360 was easier to use.

This time the PS4 has more power AND is easier to use. Not only that but again it doesn't have the 32mb of ESRAM bottleneck.

So more power, easier to use, and no crazy bottleneck.

Tiled resources also has a cost. It's not free. It gives in one area by taking away in others. It also is only a band-aid. It can maybe fudge a few mb's at a time, but it cannot overcome 10-20-60+ mb's of difference.

Also while I agree Microsoft will at some point increase their amount of exclusive games, remember that games take 2-3 years to develop, and Microsoft has yet to add those devs.

So when we see these devs bought or created, and that they've started on a game, then you can start the 2-3 years clock for those games to be released.

Are people in 2014 really going to be swayed by 1st party games that might be release in 2016 or 2017? Their best bet is to wait until those games get released. That way they know it's a game they want and the console will probably cost significantly less.

Meanwhile what alot of people forget is that what people are expecting Microsoft to do, with effects years in the future, Sony already has and the games are already in development.

Again even at low end next gen quality in 1080p, here is what the XB1 is short by.

1920x1080x24/1024/1024= 47.64 mb's
1920x1080x32/1024/1024= 63.28 mb's

This is really the starting point of quality for next gen at a bare minimum.

Right there you have a need for the ESRAM to have been 50-100 percent larger just to hold the framebuffer on entry point quality of next-gen games.

[kakashi81]

@jmc, I was saying MS should have went with 48-64MB of ESram myself. But also should have kept the 7790 in its entirety.
because if I'm not mistaken it had 14 cu's vs 12 means less shaders.

[jmc8888]

Remember though for all these 'opportunity' to increase the power (no...actually it's decrease the unbalanced bottleneck of the system) you actually need devs to utilize them.

Dev's have shown they want the least work possible, because the least work possible means less money spent on making the games, which means greater profits or lesser losses, which in turn means more money for shareholders and more bonuses for execs.

So the amount of 3rd party devs that utilize this stuff effectively and intensively is not going to be very high. It also introduces new opportunity for bugs. Hell I wonder if the tiling of resources will produce that bug like in Rage where when you moved around the sides of the screens from the textures streaming in were all a blurry mess. That was absolutely horrible.

So I see a dev saying at low next gen quality they feel confident they can get around it in 1080p. I don't see the dev saying that they can do it with true next gen quality in games. (and just do what they did at this lower quality, it was a pain in the butt)

What people should realize is this means they are needing the tricks at the beginning of the generation, for beginning of the generation quality games, instead of at the end of the generation, for higher quality games, and that's not good.

[bligmerk]

The use of on-die eSRAM was from last generation technology, fantastic then, a bottleneck today. It was a big final decision to have a CPU and GPU on one die, and a crippling decision to make up for GPU power with a bottleneck eSRAM between the two. This is a key point to identify where MS rushed to finalize, hoping to beat Sony by being first out of the gate. Sony didn't finalize their APU until it could include the next generation GPU plus they designed it to have fast bus speeds to wide open GDDR5 RAM. The APU in the PS4 may be *similar* to the APU in the XBO, but it is at least 50% more powerful. This is becoming more glaringly obvious as the months tick by, still in the launch window. People said it would take years to see the difference in power between the PS4 and the XBO. Wrong, try 3 months.

[MarkusMcNugen]

Big ole Sony circle jerk going on in here

[Tedakin]

Oh boy. A 1000th article about the power of the consoles. We get it. The Xbox isn't as powerful. GOT IT. OKAY. Why does there need to be an article every single day explaining it? Sony fans, you're system is more powerful. Got it. Go play it. Stop being petty about it. It makes you look like assholes.

[JohnTheRenegade]

So I guess Forza 5 being 1080p contradicts this huh?

[Modestmex]

Who cares right? Its all about the games! least that's what most of the people on this site said about last gen consoles.

[urwifeminder]

Forza 5 says hi I am in 1080p if this was a big issue all console gamers need to sell them and buy a pc.

[Cyanide85]

As many said before me there is no way the X1 can close the power gap between it and the PS4, the advantage is way to big for the PS4.

People have to understand that if you buy a X1 you're not buying a console that focused on delivering the best possible gaming experience and that is just fact no matter what fanboys say.

I can't understand why this kind of articles and discussions still pops up on the internet PS4 hardware specs is superior to the X1 end of story.

There's only 2 reasons people buy the X1 #1 is because they like the exclusive titles and imo there is not one game so far that interests me I think there is nothing new and yes that means Titanfall (CoD with mechs seriously????) until I'm proved wrong that is my opinion on that game.
#2 is they like the tv features of the console which to me that lives in Europe is non existent.

It's always personal preference and I prefer the PS4 for many reasons imo it's the better console in every way, and to someone else the X1 is better in every way there is no right or wrong in choosing which console is best for you, but no one can say anything other that the hardware specs on the PS4 is superior to the X1 and there is no way for the X1 to close that gap ever. Unless they release the X1.5 with better hardware specs that can compete with the PS4 (any reasonable person know that will never happen).

Sorry if none of this makes sense pretty much sleeping when I'm writing this.

[cruzngta]

PS3 was more powerful also and the 360 more than competed with it last gen. This whole power struggle debate is tiring. The XB1 is more than capable and powerful enough. PS4 may have a stronger GPU and faster RAM but that doesn't mean its game over for XB1 = not by a longshot. As I said it is powerful enough and it is going to come down to who can make the better games this gen. So far MS has impressed me way more with what they have lined up. Sony I am sure will get their games rolling out as well. The machine CAN and HAS ALREADY DONE 1080p with many games already in its infancy- just because COD Ghosts and BF4 didnt match PS$'s 1080p doesnt mean the machine cant render the resolution - that was a developer shortcoming because the sdk's and drivers were rushed and not finalized and they both look pretty good with BF4 not to far off from PS4 - I have them both and have played both on each. The XB1 will be fine and as the drivers get updated and the system OS update happens next week we will see how much more power it will truly give developers to add to their games. It is all about the software and learning how to optimize the hardware that they each have. The ESRAM will become easier to work with and before long both systems will propably have 1080p in all third party games - but that wont mean shit if the third party games suck so let's hope developers can create some new and creative games for us this gen.

[wannabe gamer]

ps3 had more power but was so much harder to dev for that that power was out of reach. if you were to look at realistic usable power then they were about equal.

this gen is different where ps4 is more powerfull again BUT it is not such a pain to dev for....so that power is able to be seen right away and will only be improved upon

[HacSawJimThugin]

My sentiments exactly. Who cares about all of this tech talk if the games themselves don't gives us something worthwhile to talk about. The term next gen to me has always been about experiences and design as opposed to raw power and specs. Titles like The Division, Sunset Overdrive, The Order , No Man Sky, etc are attempting to give us new gameplay experiences and that is all I care about. Sadly not every fanboy of games feels the same way.

[first1NFANTRY]

there's been way too many industry folk speaking out about the X1 struggling against the ps4 in terms of 1080p and 60fps gaming. i think it's time we put the comparisons to rest. Just be happy with your preferred console.

[wannabe gamer]

it will only catch up when they make a slim version or whatever they want to call it with additional ram and then the people with older xbone will suffer

[HacSawJimThugin]

I remember going to Kmart to pick up a GameCube and all of my friends told me I was crazy for not getting a PS2...

As long as the games are fun nothing else matters. All of this resolution/frame rate talk is pointless if the games aren't fun. The Internet and sites like this will brain wash weak minded ppl who are easily influenced by the hive mind mentality. If you like a certain platform that offers the experience you are looking for then so be it. I am getting a X1 because it has the exclusives and franchises I like. Do I care that mutliplats will look better on the PS4? Nope. Good for them. I'm not buying a console based on mutliplats and Devs shouldn't stray from their vision just for the sake of benchmarks.

[Nocando]

Thats just it, when I got the N64 over a Ps1, Sony fans bashed it, when I bought a Dreamcast, Sony fans bashed it, when I bought the first Xbox, guess what? Yep, Sony fans became ever more rabid. Every generation they stink up every conversation with their effing nonsense.

[urwifeminder]

Bubs up exactly the same thing happened to me it was annoying as hell one of the reasons I don't buy sony.

[H0RSE]

By citing hardware specs, many of you seem to be taking the "catch up" statement in the wrong context.

The "catch up" reference has nothing to do with closing the gap from a hardware standpoint, but rather regardless of hardware, games will look largely the same. Even now, when games are released with higher res on PS4 vs X1, the differences are largely negligible.

As for the mindset of "if X1 will get better, so will PS4," there is also a difference in perspective here.

Let's say "4" is the result each system is trying to get to. Let's say the simple equation of 2+2 is what devs are basically at with the PS4, while on X1 devs need to do 3-1+4-2. The PS4 is already capable of very optimum development, while X1 has a ways to go. In this regard, the case of "PS4 will improve as well," holds less merit, since the devs could potentially "max out" the performance sooner compared to the X1, so while devs continue to improve the development process on the X1, the process on the PS4 will stay relatively the same.

In other words, it may not be a 1:1 ratio in terms of every time the X1 improves, the PS4 will as well. Now this doesn't account for the hardware of the PS4 still being superior, but if devs learn to utilize the capabilities of the X1 as good or better than the PS4, the performance gap, in terms of what players actually see, will not be one-sided as many seem to imply - hell, they aren't even one-sided now.

I'm not implying that this is the case, only that the simple "black and white" reasoning that many seem to have, seems a bit premature, considering the amount of grey area topics like this tend to involve.

[thebraddles]

sorry? I thought the last of us was one of the best games ever made. But hang on that can be right, it was only 720p.. Some of you are just plain retard.

[mmj]

Even if ESRAM wasn't a bottleneck the PIXEL FILL RATE is.

16 ROP v 32 ROP = half the pixel fill rate of PS4.

"The term fillrate usually refers to the number of pixels a video card can render and write to video memory in a second."

See, if the ESRAM wasn't a bottleneck the GPU would be, as it stands both are a bottleneck.

[user9597082]

Except for the part where there already are games running 1080p on it

[H0RSE]

Many seem to want to disregard this, or they move the goalposts in their favor. Mention a game is 1080p on X1, they bring up the 30fps framerate. Mention games that have 1080p/60fps, they bring up that there is technically less going on behind the scenes. It's a vicious cycle of trying to discredit any and every achievement the X1 makes, especially if it's in direct competition with PS4.

[bligmerk]

When devs have to apologize for the less powerful console not meeting the same level of performance as the leading more powerful console, then that affects games and gameplay. This is especially when these are titles that haven't been released yet. It is kind of unprecedented in console history.

[MaverickStar7]

This comment section man. Gamers need to stop being so insecure.

[aragon]

Apple should make a console, it would be game over but their console would probably cost a thousand bucks

[DJ]

PS4 has 4x the APU compute units and nearly double the GPU cores. It's going to have a nice advantage for a while. I have a feeling Microsoft is going to really push to improve their tools.

[Max-Zorin]

These comments are proof hardcore gamers are not friendly people.

[g-nome]

Don't stop believing xboys.

[NeloAnjelo]

This is FACT. But Xbots will keep blindly denying it.

[sgtGanGreen]

Just like you denied it last gen :D

[SynestheticRoar]

I said once one developer establish the truth about the specs of both systems. Two or more will come to the identical conclusion that the PS4 is more powerful. Both machines will advance their development tools and techniques to enhance the appearance of there games. X1 will invariably be playing catch up for the rest of their existence.

[Jon61586]

I have been playing video games since I was 1 year of age and I believe that it only matters if the games is good gameplay is solid and retention is high. I believe that graphics are a minor standpoint in the grand scheme of things. I just wish more would take this stance. The old adage goes you can dress up a piece of turd as much as you want but the bottom line is it is still a piece of turd. I'd rather have San Andreas graphics with San Andreas gameplay on this new gen. GTA V was not anything to write home about.

[Stylee]

Both consoles have their own merits, Its funny reading as I can imagine some people getting angry when really there are more important things in life to argue the toss over if only people would put as much passion into them instead of popping blood vessels over the same old beef!

Before anyone pipes up and says your obviously not a proper gamer waaahhhh you couldn't be further from the truth I have been a fairly successful gamer since the old days of quake and played in the PGL, I guess that makes me kind of old and maybe a little bit of a hippy but I digress.

The point is XB1 players are never going to meet PS4 players in the arena so therefore the benefits of each platform are contained to its own eco-system. So what is the point ripping each other a new one with regards to their machine of preference. I drive a car far superior to my neighbor but I dont feel the need to knock on his door and tell him his car is crap lol, although the thought is amusing :D

Again I digress, I have owned every major console including both current gen blocks and to be fair I love both, I do sway towards the XB1 for BF4 but over to the PS4 for a bit of pirate madness with AC and no the pref on BF4 isnt to do with Second Assault I just feel it a little more fluid at times..... anyway thats me done, Im going to head home and play some BF4 before heading off to bed to make sweet music with my hot fiancee', like I said somethings are more important than video games people.... scratch that I will probably play some more BF4 when she finaly nods off haha, just enjoy your gaming platforms for what they are and not for what others say they are/arent as at the end of the day its you who is playing it and lets be fair, blowing someones head off in any resolution is pretty awesome :D

Peace
Stylee

[dcbronco]

It's funny that so many never really read the article. They are entrenched in their dogma and refuse to hear any real information. Sad little people.