iGR: "It seems the wheels are beginning to spin on plenty new Xbox projects."
The Microsoft Gaming CEO wants consoles to be more like PCs.
This is actually an interesting proposition.
Apple is currently facing some legislation issues for exactly that.
Read between the lines. The next "Xbox" will be a PC. Of course it'll support the Epic store.
There is no need to read between any lines… he was asked especially if it could happen and he said yes, comparing how its already done on PC, not everything is some sort of double meaning or hint to what they want to do, sometimes its just a straightforward question and a straightforward answer
And given how the EU is basically pushing against basically all sort of walled gardens more and more, I would not be surprised if this is what will eventually happens for all consoles anyway
There's no logical reason to put an Epic store on an actual Xbox. Epic only has PC games anyway, which the XSX can't run. This is trying to sell the future of them getting out of the console business. Xbox branded stuff that runs on a PC. There's been a lot of signs pointing to this lately
“There's no logical reason to put an Epic store on an actual Xbox. Epic only has PC games anyway, which the XSX can't run.“
Mmm what???
You do understand those storefronts could literally be selling any kind of game version? Its just game files and keys on a server, they dont sell console versions of games because there is no (legal) way to play them on PC…. Not because they can only sell PC games
Epic games (or any other storefront) on Xbox (or any other platform) would simply license with the publishers for whatever games will be in that store and you would download the version for that particular console from their servers….
Its literally just a storefront…
Dude I don't know how to say this any other way... There is literally no reason to put an Epic storefront on an Xbox console. Every game that can run on the Xbox console is already on the console store and MS has nothing to gain by disintermediatiing their own damn store.
Epic store = PC. That's what he's saying
And if the current xbox gets Epic store, you will probably only be able to play games allready ported to xbox. Unless they have some magic software that can solve the porting issue.
This would also be kinda cool, because there would be more competetion on digital sales. But I think a lot of people dream of other things when they hear "Epic or Steam on xbox".
Not that simple buddy. You still need developers permission for any version you sell. Epic games do not own games other than selling specific version which epic games of pc that's all.
With his broken logic it would actually benefit PlayStation games even more when you see the gap in sales
It's only interesting to Epic if they can get all the profits. Just look at how they treat iOS/Android. It's interesting to Microsoft solely because they know Sony wouldn't allow it at the level Epic wants and this would be a reason for people to move over to their console/hardware instead of Sony.
But, yeah, you know, Microsoft totally isn't competing with Sony. Totally.
It's an interesting proposition for the consumer period.
Apple is currently facing justice for monopolistic practices related to the Iphone despite owning about half of the market share of Smartphones.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...
What's the difference between Apple and Sony when Sony controls the majority of the market share in high-end consoles?
What's the difference between Apple's practice of making sure other devices have a harder time with an iPhone
And Sony's practice of paying for exclusivity when looking at the lawsuit " tthe company had violated antitrust laws with practices that were intended to keep customers reliant on their iPhones and less likely to switch to a competing device." ?
What's the difference between the IOS store and the Playstation store?
***What's the difference between the IOS store and the Playstation store? ***
Nothing. And it's not about market share since more money is made on Android devices than iOS. It's about the validity of a closed hardware and software system to remain as such.
The main difference between iOS store and Playstation store is physical/retail games still exist. So publishers and consumers have another option when it comes to offering/buying games on Playstation.
Since they restricted me from commenting on the last major article I was gonna say Phil wants multiple store fronts on their console. Which would give the console more games, options and different ways to buy and consume.
He talked about a handheld
Expansion and meeting where Gen Z wants to take their games where ever, download somewhere and go and connect with their friends.
"This notion that Xbox can only be this one device that plugs into a television isn’t something we see in the Gen Z research. Because nothing else is like that for them,” he said.
“Some of them will have an iPhone, some will have an Android, but all the games and everything is the same. I can still get to TikTok on both of them, at least for now.
“All of their stuff is available wherever they want. So for Xbox, our brand pivot — as we attract and maintain relevance with a younger audience — is ‘Xbox is a place where I can find the great games I want to.’”
How is plus this any different than what they've been doing? They're targeting Gen not millennial and definitely not Gen X as they're old and are car from the demo. It's Z, instant access, multiple devices, f2p (sadly)
Sony owns a 1.25 Billion dollar stake in Epic games. First it was 250 million, then after they bought into Epic for another 1 Billion. Not to mention some of their games are sold on that store, as well as Steam. I don't see how any of this will work in regards to Steam and epic on the Xbox. Even just every PC only games will have to be optimized for console.
This all seems like a really tall order. Maybe they make a PC Xbox, but the Steam consoles didn't go well when they released them. Sony are just going to allow their games to be played on an Xbox through Epic? Maybe Sony will allow it if it's true that the majority of Xbox games are indeed going to go to playstation. Then Sony might think, well, Xbox are similar to PC now, they are not our immediate competition anymore. I don't know.
***Since they restricted me from commenting on the last major article... ***
Last restriction 200d ago for 1 day. Been a lot of chances to discuss this since then. You have an alt account we should talk about?
***Phil wants multiple store fronts on their console. Which would give the console more games, options and different ways to buy and consume. ***
Phil wants to drown platforms with as many games so that the industry can move to subscriptions since platforms will no longer matter. It will also move further away from ownership and competition and let Microsoft utilize their IP power to get more for their games rather than pay platform holders for hosting and providing them, much like they did when signing agreements with UK cloud streaming companies (0% profit for the streaming companies, 100% for Microsoft).
"Last restriction 200d ago for 1 day. Been a lot of chances to discuss this since then. You have an alt account we should talk about?"
Why the hell would I waste my time on a stupid alt account? I'm sayin the last article I couldn't comment anymore.
I'll Leave the money, profits and what not to the company's. For Xbox users it'll mean more games, deals, discounts and more ways to consume from. Various store fronts.
Just so you know, words matter.
***Since they restricted me from commenting on the last major article***
Is not the same as
***I'm sayin the last article I couldn't comment anymore. ***
And regarding:
*** I'll Leave the money, profits and what not to the company's. For Xbox users it'll mean more games, deals, discounts and more ways to consume from. Various store fronts. ***
Hey, good on you for being an ill informed consumer who will have to accept the future that the companies decide for you, not the consumers themselves.
You speak as if MS is the only Platform out there. There's also Sony, there's checks and balances MS moving away from ownership would kill what little they have left already. Especially knowing Sony will do pro consumer moves (like owner ship) MS can't be that dumb to have 0 ownership across everything and subscriptions only games.
***You speak as if MS is the only Platform out there. There's also Sony, there's checks and balances MS moving away from ownership would kill what little they have left already.***
I spoke about Microsoft's plan to undermine Sony. Literally brought it up in my first comment to you above. Please, read all my stuff, not just part of it.
***Especially knowing Sony will do pro consumer moves (like owner ship) MS can't be that dumb to have 0 ownership across everything and subscriptions only games. ***
Unchecked, Sony would do the exact same thing. Let's not be ignorant here. Everybody needs to compete in the same market, not try and create new markets by undermining the market that exists, leveraging your massive market in cloud services, and throwing money at the situation to get people to move towards the Netflix of games and the new market of video games rather than the hardware market.
And, the big block Microsoft has isn't even Sony, it's Valve. Valve will be the holdout for their goals. Sony will eventually either lose enough market share to not be able to produce hardware, because they are a small company by far compared to Microsoft and gamers go where it's 'cheap and affordable' because they're dumb and are easily led astray by companies selling worse products, or they'll cave in and will allow Microsoft's content and continue to be fighting on hardware but lose out on profits from Microsoft games (and likely as well as companies like Epic or whomever else forces Sony to do what they want).
In the end, this is all profit seeking companies fighting each other, but right now, the lesser of all these evils is the system we have now. The one where publishers rely on hardware but don't dictate it and where hardware manufacturers are actually competing instead of letting one monopolize entirely and decide what is best for consumers.
More lies, Phil you don't care about gamers.
You want Epic on xbox because no one buys games on your platform so you have nothing to lose, and your long term goal is to force other platforms to accept other stores on their platforms including yours, lowering their own revenue while you subsidize your own xbox business until all your competition can no longer maintain themselves.
I have said from the beginning the FTC is fighting the wrong fight, instead of trying to block Microsoft from buying publishers what they need to do is force Microsoft to split up and divest its hardware and it's cloud business from it's PC software (windows) business.
Countries have laws that prevent people from dumping cheap grain or iron ect. into markets and making it so other companies can't compete, this is exactly what Microsoft is trying to do, flood the market with cheap games and hardware until no one else can compete.
The government doesn't need to break MS up as long as they keep making the decisions they have been. They're failing just fine on their own
I don’t know, maybe like that 30% of sales thing marketplaces do? 🤷♂️ or whatever Epic is doing do the same with Steam?
I'd love for that to happen, but looking at it realistically I doubt Valve is willing to split its 30% cut (or 20% if a game sells +1M copies) with Microsoft unless Xbox is generating a significant amount sales. On the other hand, given how cheaper older games are on Steam compared to consoles, I doubt Microsoft are willing to lose their 30% of game sales on their own store either. Anyone betting on the future of Xbox should be concerned with Phil's strategies (or lack thereof).
MS could've spent of third of what it cost them to acquire Activision and bought Valve for almost 3x their market value and at least have an identity. Would've never worried about royalties going this route. The reason Steambox failed was Valve's stupid decision to open license OEM companies to produce their very own steambox. Same goddamn reason Trip Hawkins failed with the 3DO. MS will never top Sony in the console space but it could've secured a spot for decades to come. Now, apparently the grass is greener in mobile pastures! Have fun with that Phil.
Of course he would, this would get Xbox games tbag publishers wouldn't ever consider Xbox for, but, it would also get him PlayStation games, he wants sore badly, because PlayStation publishes their games to Epic Games store so, he's trying to find work arounds to get games devs don't want to publish on Xbox. Read what Euro game devs are saying about Xbox, they're getting ready to abandon it and Game Pass is showing the truth, it's flopping there too. Euros are smart, they don't want any of it..These are Phil's final attempts to see what he can do to stay relevant in the hardware market, he's desperate here, big time but this is a desperate attempt and a way to try and land games publishers don't trust Xbox with, he's a deceitful one, but it's only going to make publishers more mad because now you're insulting them and trying to pull the wool over them. By their honor they're seeing this and you'd find how honorable they are. This is also showing just how well Game Pass is really doing. (It's not). He wants Steak for the same reason. Microsoft may as well go back to making and selling PCs at this point. Phil, gave it, dude. Ya failed
But Epic games store doesn't sell Xbox games??
Whatever could the clown be referring to now?
You do realize that Sony would pull its games from any storefront purchased by MS, right? Pretty simple countermeasure...
You'd think a Microsoft console could easily let you run Windows and then have access to Epic Game Store, GOG Galaxy, Steam, EA App, Ubisoft Connect, Battlenet etc but no, they'd want to gimp it, so they'd get profits from all sales.
Well no, because that would basically make it a PC. A pretty low end PC. Whereas, by keeping it a closed system like it is now, it's a pretty high end games console, and avoids the compatibility issues of PCs. Not to mention it would open it up to security vulnerabilities and hackers
I'm no expert but wouldn't this be kind of stupid from Microsoft?
Fortnite is arguably one of the biggest if not the biggest IP right now. Don't Microsoft get 30% every time someone buys v-bucks off the Xbox store? If you bring the epic store to Xbox and buy v-bucks from epic store. Microsoft missus out on that 30% and epic gets 100% correct?
This is exactly why epic and apple are in court. Because apple wouldn't allow epic to bypass the apple store.
So, your telling me it’s about money, not about bringing great games to gamers
Huh
A turn up for the books. Great job m$, another monumental disgrace
Consoles should not be bloated and extremely expensive like PC's, sorry. I prefer to pick my console for the quality games it offers. PC's need to stay like PC's. Every time MS has a brilliant idea to merge things, they fail miserably. They had the same idea with Kinect to compete with Wii, Windows 8.1 to force touch interface and make Windows Phone and desktop OS's feel familiar, and they decided gamers would be okay with DRM / always online and no used game resale in exchange for the power of the cloud. All of that has turned out to be a poorly implemented cluster only aimed to benefit Microsoft in the end. Lets face it, they've tried many times now in the console market and ended up in distant third because consumers largely don't trust Microsoft or their leadership in large enough numbers for them to succeed, and there is good reason for that. They don't listen to their consumers, and they never lead, they always follow. There are some problems throwing money at it can't "fix", and Microsoft has found out the hard way. Welcome to 3rd party status.
He wants everything doesn't he? He wants to own every game publisher and developer, wants PlayStation games on Xbox, and now Epic on Xbox? Next he'll be saying that Steam should be on Xbox. I mean why not? He's already toyed with the idea of buying Valve and even Nintendo.
Does he even live in the real world? I'm sick of him. I used to find him funny, but now he just irritates me.
"Epic Games Store On Xbox Would Benefit xbox"
There you are phil, fixed it for you
Is anyone still buying his "we listen to gamers/its what gamers want" narrative?
I suppose they'll be part of the xbox community next
The goal behind curtain is Gamepass is coming to Epic and Steam, as negotiations MS will open the xbox gates.
Phil Spencer is ushering in a new age for the Xbox platform, one that could be appropriately titled ‘The Multi-Platform Age Of Xbox.’ It’s begun with four games coming to PlayStation and Nintendo consoles, and if recent reports are true, there’s many more to come.
Spencer dug a bit into why he’s leading Xbox in this new direction, and how part of this change comes from Gen Z buying habits, and the lack of growth in the console market.
When the first leaks began this year Phil Spencer finally was pushed into announcing the 'Xbox Business Event'! All the hardcore in the Xbox community and the extremist lost their mind about it being the end of Xbox. Then when the video when live Phil Spencer said it will only be 4 games released. Whew! He avoided a bad PR event and everybody thought things were back to normal...
IT TURNS OUT PHIL SPENCER WAS LYING TO MICROSOFT'S MOST LOYAL CUSTOMERS. He just waited a few weeks to soft reveal all in an interview where there wouldn't be video footage of him actually saying the words that Xbox is now a third-party publishing company.
Markets change, things happen and yes Xbox has to 'pivot' if it has to. But this man has done more 360s with the Xbox business model than any other console company; first Xbox is a boxed console, than a subscription service, then a cloud service, then an online store on other platforms! The fact is the Xbox Series S/X combined are selling worse than the Xbox One - how can this be? I strongly think that it's because MS Game Pass taught Xbox owners that they didn't need to spend on third-party games - hence the collapse in the UK market. Look, I get it, I know that we all 'know' Phil Spencer as he's always friendly and giving interviews.
It's now time to ask whether Phil Spencer is the worst thing to ever have happened to Xbox?
Well, as an Xbox supporter....
You're not wrong!
I think he is better off creating an identify for Xbox and pushing harder, but yeah, not happening
Just need to make good quality exclusive games, yet that seems to have been the most elusive thing for them to do.
Yeah the last few definitely have fallen flat. Starfield was a huge disappointment... I liked it but not as much as I expected
@ripper
Well console sales didn't keep Sony from losing 26% of its operating income, closing studios, layoffs, etc.....It's not like Sony is doing great with those console sales. Smh
Lmao
“It’s not our fault Xbox fans, we have no choice, blame yourselves or the young”
I thought he said a while back it was because of AAA budgets being so bloated or something
But we already know good games don't require bloated budgets....it's called government spending/mismanagement of money
Well as a consumer, the PS5 seems like the better choice if you get Xbox and PlayStation games. I guess Microsoft wins too because the can make more money off their games. And Sony wins because they get their 30%.
Apparently sea of theives was a huge successful on PS so I guessed the board has seen dollar signs and that small batch of games will probably Expand
Due to being lame. Let's face it. Xbox just isn't cool. It had a flash in the pan success with the 360 but it's been on life support for a while.
It's amazing how much Don tanked the brand with his assumption that the hardcore would always be there for us while we play around in the casual market with the Kinect and try to replace other devices with the one system.
Tv tv tv.
Had Microsoft stuck with their strong leadership they had prior to Don anything could have happened if Peter Moore stayed in power
Wasn't it Phil Spencer that said we believe in choice. Ah yes that old chestnut phrase slimey business people say. When in actuality you offer the illusion of choice by knee capping people who buy physical and digital in favor of your deep pocket subsidization of Game Pass in the hope there will only be one choice and everyone goes to you.
Once you've captured enough people you convert them to Cloud without consent and then it is truly end game.
Xbox failing is because you made it clear and transparent that is what you are doing and Microsoft famously coined the term "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" You are still doing it today and try to dress it up as some kind of lovely dovey democratization of software and gaming, just as long as everyone is paying the piper to use your servers and services.
Exactly this is the plan and has been, since mattrick tried to steam roll it and Spencer is playing the long game.
Phil quit lying.
We all know the reason your going multiplatform.
It's because you can't give xbox's away ($200 discounts and three months of Game Pass and still getting outsold 4:1 WW) and no one buys games on your platform because they only play what's on Game Pass.
Or he’s full of crap and realizes the Xbox brand is slowly dying and needs to make more desperation moves after killing their full game sales with GamePass. This is all desperation
There you go, it's not Phil Spencer's fault Xbox is going down the pan, it's because of GenZ!!!
Wow, way to pass the buck Phil!!
Actually Phi,l us millennials and gen x purchase consoles the most and we see through your bs. Just say you have run the xbox brand into the ground and stop coping.
That is a weird way of saying that Phil Spencer is directing Xbox to obscurity.
I can already picture the marketing material for next xbox console.
"Xbox Gen Z combatible console now available"
Triple A first party exclusives is how you sell consoles. It's a fairly simple formula made complicated by Corpo bros who have strayed from the path by the lure of infinite growth.
Lack of growth for Xbox you mean. Sony and Nintendo seem to be experiencing the opposite for some reason.
From 13 million WiiUs to 140 million Switch consoles... yeah, there is no growth in console gaming.
Yeah from 155m PS2's to 88m PS3 to 117m PS4s to 50m PS5 (obviously still more to sell) seems like even the mighty PlayStation with the best lineup has seen no real growth in the last 20 odd years either. Somethings wrong with the industry and you can all bury your heads into the sand all you want.
How many of those PS4 users you think haven't been able to upgrade? There could be another 100million+ waiting to be bought by current PS4 owners.
It was mostly smoke and mirrors. They bought all those exclusive games for the first half of the generation but didn’t build up their studios and grow a culture of making games. If they did it the right way I would have continued supporting them but after the Kinect came out they started showing their true colors and after Xbox One reveal they bared it all for everyone to see. They don’t want you to own games, they don’t care about consoles at all. They want to put in minimum effort and dominate the industry at the same time with their cash power but it doesn’t work that way.
If they had the goal of making great games and growing the console space they would be in a different position. They turned off too many people from Xbox and now they have to try a different approach. They can only blame themselves for their poor choices
What he actually means is ...we have been getting our arses kicked the last 2 generations and now we got smart to get our games on other platforms to get more revenue to buy more studios. I would be great to have only one console that plays all games...pc?
I just want a $500 console where I can pick up a second controller and play with my kids over the weekend.
I don't want to invest into PC with all the launchers, accounts and driver updates.
So no... I'm not interested in playing everywhere, any time or on my kitchen fridge with wifi ok Phil.
..and partly because him and his leadership team have failed to deliver time and again after a decade in charge.
They started a new generation woefully unprepared which is staggering considering their resources. Sony have hardly been much better by the way. And MS should have been putting the pressure on. Instead they've blown that opportunity and no closer to seeing these promised stream of games.
At least with Sony we got Demons Souls remake , GT7, Returnal, Ratchet and Clank, Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarok and all the second party games like FF7 Rebirth, 16, Granblue Fantasy and lot of other Japanese games that aren’t on Xbox. Right now if I bought an Xbox what would I go to buy? Starfield? Redfall? Not much else I can think of they even released let alone being good this gen. If they didn’t buy Bethesda they wouldn’t even have those games. What they hell have they been doing the last 10 years? I thought for sure they didn’t release many games during Xbox One generation because they were saving them all for this generation but they had nothing at all. They want your money with no effort at all
Oh yes I agree completely. The quality of the Sony games (and ones from their partners) have been very high. But they seem to now be in a period of transition. If MS was ever going to take advantage it was this period over the last few years but if anything, the gap has only increased.
Been saying it for years about them. Least amount of effort but looking for maximum profit. While using the media and their money to try and extinguish their competitors or buy them.
Just a horrible, mismanaged company when it comes to games.
And when he gets fired he'll get paid again with the golden parachute. It's crazy.
It's really a reflection of how bad Satya is in not recognizing it earlier.
To a extent they did ok with the original Xbox. Halo, PGR, Forza.
Did amazing with the 360. Some great exclusives. Then the massive F ups came. Kinect. Little to no exclusives towards the end.
Xbox one absolute embarrassment. Then blockbuster pass came and ruined Xbox as we once knew it. Only people to blame are the management over at Xbox. Plus the idiots that who had their heads so far up Phills backside they knew exactly what he had for breakfast.
360 was good until Kinect, and it all just fell apart. I think the last 2 years before Xbox One were pretty barren.
OG Xbox was legendary. LAN Halo parties. Modding the console with XBMP. Good times
It still amazes me how I actually didn't experience the original Xbox live spite having one a few months right until the 360 released.
The PS2 was my first dive into online MP followed by Xbox 360.
Xmbc was amazing.
That's it. I'm done with Microsoft.
I have owned the Xbox since the original. And every generation it became worse.
Looks like Microsoft is slowly killing the xbox and is trying to survive in some form by bringing the few exclusives they have to Playstation.
" I have owned the Xbox since the original. And every generation it became worse."
Was the 360 really a step-down from the OG XB for you?
360 had more games. That's true over OG Xbox. But that's only because they rushed to market a broken system ahead of PS3 launch that should have been recalled instead of an unheard of 3 year warranty to stay on the market. And with all their bribes to journalists and advertising dollars, they held a lead for awhile.
But that ended because Sony buckled down and made exclusive after exclusive to catch up. PS Move was just an add-on to the system. Not abandon the core gamer like Microsoft did with Kinect. And Kinect was actually working on PS2 before Microsoft swooped in with their money to take it away from Sony. Nintendo did what they always did: make a product that pulls gamers in while bringing something new to the industry.
But the end of 360's life had a lack of games for the core as Microsoft chased the casuals. Just like they are chasing this supposed "billions of gamers" instead of buckling down and making amazing exclusives. Especially when they are worth way more than Sony and Nintendo combined. There's no excuse why they weren't matching or exceeding their competitors with hit after hit of exclusive games.
And, buying third parties to somehow hurt Sony backfired because game pass killed their sales. They also can't support all those studios they purchased with money to make huge games if no one is going to buy them on their platform in large numbers. So, they need Sony to support them or risk selling or closing many of the studios they just purchased.
Same here. I disconnected everything and pulled the batteries out of the controller a while back after they confirmed no physical release for Hellblade 2. That was the final straw.
Excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. He's desperate. He's super desperate l. Here's the reality of it. Years and years ago, kids talked about Xbox a lot. But this is today. Kids don't talk about Xbox and if they do, it's now associated with a sexual term. Kids play Switch on the school bus and have a PlayStation 5 at home. KIDS DONT TALK ABOUT XBOX, except in a derogatory sense that associates a sexual act with another person, which is shocking to hear kids talk that way at that age in their life. Kids don't want to play Xbox, they play Xbox because their dad was a diehard that doesn't know any better, ignorant. Habit, but they want a PlayStation because their friends all have PlayStation and talk about Sonic, Minecraft, Fortnite, and Spider-man 2. When they're not doing that, their playing Mario Wonder on their Switch on the bus. Phil, when was the last time you were in a school around kids? They don't like you, they have PlayStation and then Switch for on the go
I think MS still hasn’t realized these types of PR talk is adding to their failure. People are not as dumb as MS thinks. Yeah you can fool a lot of people for a long time, but not forever. Eventually they see through you.
The trouble is squire, the extremist end of the XBox community ARE that dumb, they have propped up the Xbox brand at every turn for years and bought every lie spat out by MS.
Hell, I cannot imagine another company surviving if their product had the same failure rate as the 360, but folk would even defend MS in this regard back in the day.
Yeah he can talk as much rubbish as he wants. We all know it's cause of him. No Gen Z. No weak gaming sales.
Ah, Gen Z. Some people you just wish you could bring back the man with the toothbrush mustache for.
Microsoft is like China, it wants to have 90% of gaming revenue like China wants 90% of south china sea with 9(now 10) dash line. XD
Make up your mind Phil! Now there's a rumor that he also wants to enter handheld PC because of its growing market.
Let's blame Gen Z for all of our failures over the last 13 years. What a joke of a brand. Xbox's downfall started with the original Kinect.
Nail in the coffin for Xbox in our household was buying dynasty warriors brand new for my daughter's 360 and with in just a couple of hours the disc became unreadable with burns and scratches and when i contacted MS support and they had the brass bollocks to tell me who was 30yrs at the time that I was inserting the disc wrong and tried to explain the process before I hung up and sold the POS to cex and the disc went in the bin because nayfkr would touch it and I never looked back
I'm sure the call handler said his name was Phil S and he was so successful at fobbing people off he became head of the dept
Hot take: XBOX could have started selling a lot more consoles if they made COD an XBOX exclusive after the ABK deal.
All MS need to do is make good exclusive games for the Xbox Platfrom the gaming community has been saying this for years but Phil wont listen. Stop blaming Gen Z and using buzzwords like "growth" the reason Sony and Nintendo are doing better than Xbox is because of their exclusives.
It's not Gen Z.
It is because your games sucks, and they are not good enough to become a system seller.
Imagine even worse sales if these games are console only.
Polygon spoke with Spencer during the annual Game Developers Conference, and though the conversation ranged from the possibility of a handheld console to the trouble with closed platforms, one theme was inescapable: What the hell is going on with the games industry? And how will video game makers and publishers — Xbox included — get out of it?
“You can’t succeed unless you draw in customers from other publishers and other platforms. And because you’re not finding new customers with the games that you’re building, everybody’s kind of fighting over the same-size pie.”
People are going to twist this into him saying that Sony is bad for exclusives but what he is really saying... what he is trying to shout from the hills to the Xbox faithful, is that Xbox can not remain exclusive if you want them to ever take risks or make big games again. The back and forth game the PR team plays with the fanatics has to stop. Spencer doesn't know what Sony or Nintendo is going to do , but he is taking the Xbox games and putting them everywhere and thats how its gonna be. Going multiplat is the only way to GROW. Full stop that is what he is saying.
@Eonjay, Phil Spencer has a lying problem. He will not be honest about anything especially about the failure of xbox under his leadership or how his decisions contributed to xbox current predicament. He will not change, he continues to give these interviews that have no basis in reality. Taking anything this man has to say as being credible is a fools errand.
"Lying" might be a bit much.
I can't say he lies, but he is absolutely intentional with the indirect language he uses.
You can't turn off your brain with him because, while he comes across as being "down to earth", he frequently tells you what he means indirectly. I think people just let their guard down because of the way he presents himself and that's a strategy in itself.
you're supposed to lie during pr talks, nothing of note there. Same with any company, wether I like them or not, I will always take any form of pr talk with the biggest grain of salt.
Guy’s a moron and a liar.. he’s just lazy, prefers using his money by buying other publishers and make them create content for him.. that’s about it.
That pretty much kills creativity and we can easily see it by how irrelevant his brand has become
Nintendo has been creating incredible software for so many years, earning so much from that and they aren’t going nowhere.
Good news is that if you turn everything Spencer says upside down, he is actually very informative and consistent. 😝
Phil is right about the limit on growth of game hardware. The PlayStation + Xbox install base has not changed in 10 years. Nintendo’s marketshare with Switch is about 100M units less than its marketshare was with Wii and DS. Any growth in PC gaming is at the expense of console gaming. Microsoft can only make more by selling more games and they can only do that by going multi platform.
Thats actually an interesting point. We all have the perception that gaming has grown massively in the last 20 years but I guess it only really has if you start to factor mobile into it.
I don't think Phil Spencer is the one you want to ask this question. Are you sure he wasn't the one who asked it?
I won't bash Phil as much as I think he and his leadership team deserve, however, the data is showing the XBOX WW sales are nearly life support levels. Redfall failed - Star Field decent. What about those issues?!
For a Todd Howard game, I thought Starfield was below average and overhyped
Nothing is really wrong with the industry. More like: what the hell are video game makers doing? I’ve very rarely have I seen the disconnect between what gamers want to play, and what makers are trying to sell this wide.
What's the point on invest $500 on a ecosystem, that you will have on another console plus the other console exclusives. Why this made sense for Phil, get new customer but losing the old ones.
Why did the Insider Gaming article on this topic get approved then failed then replaced with a polygon article? The Polygon article was the duplicate but the Insider Gaming got marked as one instead and moved to failed.
Because this is the original source. That actual polygon interview. The one that was failed was a SWAS story of that interview. You must post the original interview first, and then after, i think it's 12 hours, that after its been published for 12 hours you can post a SWAS submission. SWAS = Story Within A Story
I'm so use to seeing second and third hand articles on here that I never knew that was a thing, thanks for the answer.
Just FYI it's 6 hours.
@MrDead,
SWAS means that the original story must be posted first. It is a story about one aspect of the original story. It's not the same story.
A second hand story/ third hand is the same story as the first.
Dude needs to shut up and focus on doing his job for once. He always talks about what's good for gaming in general despite having so completely proven he has no idea how to make xbox successful at all. He talks about ballooning budgets but will not talk about his boneheaded decision to give every xbox 1st party game away on gamepass. How will that move make it possible to support any game production especially the most expensive ones like halo infinite, Philip?
Phil and Xbox are big part of what’s wrong. GaaS is mostly the other part.
“You can’t succeed unless you draw in customers from other publishers and other platforms"
oraybe, if you actually make games that are not broken, people will flock in and play them.
but i guess buying up stuff is easier.
Phil is definitely not then one to talk about this.
No matter how you feel about Phil, the proof of upheaval in gaming, is in the layoffs. they have been dropping left and right for multiple years. The saying in the industry used to be that it was recession proof, not anymore. We also see it in how long it takes to make a triple A game now a days. The cost have gone up significantly and I don’t see the trend reversing. Some of his insights have validity outside of the fanboyish line of how it’s all Phil’s fault. I guess it’s his fault Sony completely shutdown London studios right after the head of Sony visited? No, this goes way beyond Xbox and Phil. I guess some on this site need a good villain for their narratives. Peace
People seem to have missed that PlayStation has largely stagnated in its client base since the PS2, it's by far the biggest player but in a pool that's not grown significantly since the 2000s
Agree, PlayStation 5 will never exceed the ps2 in a major way. If consoles kept pushing the total install base up every generation, then you could point to growth. The reality of today is there are so many different devices you can game on compared to the ps2 era. Back then it was pc, which a majority of people didn’t own and weren’t purchasing to game on. Of course consoles, and that was the majority of the market. Back then you could have a small team and create a triple A game.
While all of this happening, PC gaming is having really solid, consistent growth. Seems like consoles may have already peaked. It's clear from both Sony and MS that the business is unsustainable in its current form.
I read an article with Phil that Gen Z want there games to be able to be played anywhere thats what the market research is showing, no stand alone console, hence the Xbox games going to PS and PC and streaming service that is gamepass. But this is not what the true xbox fans want they are screwing over their core fanbase the oldies....when the PS Pro comes out im thinking ill put the ol xbox away and jump ship
Phil Spenser damage control from all the Sweet Baby collab news trending this week
So basically Phil is admitting that XBOX exclusives are a thing of the past? Also I find it amazing that according to him when XBOX isnt doing well, the industry isn't doing well. Surprised MS is even allowing him to be interviewed.
Well you're right I guess it's going so well at Sony
let's see:
- Mass layoff
- Studios closure
- Cancellation of several games
- PSVR 2 is already the next VITA
- not meeting console sales expectations and rushing a PS5 pro
Yep, all the signs of a healthy industry.
Sony have faired better then others because of their growth in the industry.
A lot of what's happening is due to more and more being owned by less and less, these goliath publishers are looking to make more profits than previous years and when they don't job cuts happen. They are still making untold billions, but if it's less then last year or not as much as they predicted workers get fired... CEO's and shareholders will still have their pockets lined at the expense of the workforce. This is capitalism, huge companies that need to consume more and more to support their eternal growth.
This is why people argue that companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, etc need to be broken up.
Mass layoffs industry wide more layoffs at MS acquired publishers than Sony.
Studios closed, yes, but some teams assimilited in other units.
Several GaaS games, of no consequence to those majority that buy a PlayStation for their spectacular single player story based games.
PSVR 2 was always going to be a niche product, wheres MS VR goggles? Oh wait, you need to actually have SOLD consoles to justify R and D
PS5 Pro is not rushed it was hinted at almost two years ago but admittedly I classify that as niche too and will not be getting one as I'm perfectly satisfied with base PS5.
Sorry PS is outselling Series 3 to 1.
Sorry XBOX exclusives are coming to PS5.
Sorry gamepass has effectively capped XBOX in the knees.
Sorry 80 Billion plus dollars of acquisitions cannot shift the needle for XBOX.
Sorry Phil has lied to his supporters and probably knew for some time that MS would go the 3rd party publisher route.
In my opinion, the issue here is that Phil seems to have no thesis, only ever swifting strategies and narratives instead.
They delivered a next gen console with no exclusives and the draught carried over for 2 years. When they actually released games, many of them were mediocre or below expectations (Refall and Starfield come to mind although I confess having great fun as solo player in Redfall with Jacob).
We were then told that games are coming because of acquisitions and instead we are getting multi platform games due to the rising costs.
PS5 was judged for its low output of exclusives even though it released many more (and highly more successful games), why MS shouldnt be judged accordingly when it performed considerably worse?
Even during 2025, with no major first party exclusives, Sony treats their fans with games like Final Fantasy, Helldivers 2, Rise of Ronin and still has Silent Hill 2, Stellar Blade and Concorde scheduled.
One has to look at Nintendo which has been releasing nearly 12 games per year for Switch (one for each month) thus keeping gamers engaged to see where its success lie. There is always something to buy.
My point is, consoles are about games. Had they invested in supporting their ecosystem (PC+Xbox), they would not have the need to go multi platform and change the narrative from exclusives are important, to exclusives are no longer viable.
The only reason Xbox has failed again with there console is because they have no must have games exclusive to Xbox they all go on pc.. if they had like 2 killa apps every year that solely exclusive to Xbox then it would have flew of the shelves!
The management haven't got a clue what they are doing! Sony are more successful because they do that and release them on pc years down the line!
How can you grow the console market by doing the exact same thing but 50% worse than the PC market? As Linus' video showed, you can build a used PC for the same money, but it's 50% more powerful than the PS5. Practically all games are on PC. A console gives you virtually no advantage...yes, convenience and system size maybe, but resolutions and framerates are severely limited and the games are all the same. Game Pass is also on PC (speaking of Microsoft). I've been a long time Xbox fan and am seriously considering moving to PC as I'm sick of the 30fps and other limitations. To grow the console market, you need to do something that PC doesnt have...it's that simple. As soon as you release this new magical thing on PC, we'll be in the same situation again.
I agree with everything you just said. However, There are still reasons to own a PS5 and a Switch.
Yes Sony release old games on pc at some point. Personally speaking I'm not the type of person who can simply wait 2 or 3 years for a game.
Someone please shut this man up. You lost and you're terrible at your job. I can't stand his constant spin and corpo speak.
Great, that's what i want to see this gen, new studios. We have many great studios on each platform already, but acquiring new ones is what i want to hear. There can never be too many.
awww yisss that's what I wana hear.
iGR: "It seems the wheels are beginning to spin on plenty new Xbox projects."
Sorry but this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
isn't cutting it...J.K...slightly
You guys make it sound like its an easy thing to start up a studio from scratch let alone it ends up being a good one or even a AAA power house. Publishers who make it their business to house good studios even struggle with this. Typically chance of failure is much higher than success. Considering microsofts lack of experience in this area in comparison to the rest of the industry I have my doubts.
They can certainly afford it.