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Sony Blamed for Nintendo’s Inability To Secure Third Party Games

The Japanese investment and market analysis firm ACE Securities released a report on Nintendo’s recent substantial reduction of the earning forecasts for the current fiscal year.

Interestingly enough, Sony is pinpointed as the cause for Nintendo's inability to secure third party software.

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Mikelarry3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Right!!!!! it has noting to do with Nintendo's approach to third party developers or Nintendo stuck in the past frame of mind instead of growing with the times...... NEXT

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

abzdine3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

but who stopped them from investing as well?
i thought 3DS, DS and Wii was jackpot for them and they had more cash than PS Jap division did?
Nintendo's marketing was outstanding and so agressive with Wii, i dont understand what suddenly happened, i just dont!

But good to know Sony doing marketing efforts, looking forward to some new jap reveals on PS4

cleft53737d ago

To be fair, if you read the article it isn't the people actively running Nintendo blaming Sony for it's failures. It's the corporate department, that is clearly out of touch with reality, saying that Iwata needs to respond to their claim.

Nintendo's problems aren't Sony's fault anymore than any success they achieve being attributed to Sony.

uptownsoul3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

First of all, please don't use that short hand for Japanese. But to your ultimate point, I somewhat agree, it's nintendo who i believe rested on the success of the Wii that made them think they could just coast on the brand name of the Wii (hence calling it Wii U) to market itself. They took far too long to realize that they needed to step their marketing and advertising game up.

Hatsune-Miku3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

When it comes to Nintendo and their failures, blame consumers and other gaming companies like sony. Im surprised they aren't blaming rumpelstilskin

They blame sony for actually doing a competent job of acquiring quality titles for their PlayStation

UnHoly_One3737d ago

I don't get their reasoning on this at all either, I don't see how anything Sony has done would affect the viability of the Wii U.

But... If they had named MS instead of Sony... Wow I can only imagine what these comments would look like. lol

ABizzel13737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

@Miku

LMAO @ rumpelstilskin XD

link2Dpast3737d ago

yea their marketing approach with the Wii was top notch. Then with the WiiU they have these obscure commercials that give no lime light to what is the WiiU, then on top of that release a revamped Wii MINI WTF, advertisement is literally non-existent and i live in nyc i see nothing Nintendo anywhere, not even on the buses. Other than near their home store. i just think The WiiU was such a surprise i think even for Nintendo, its as if they were expecting for it to just sell on its own just cause of the wii name now their dumbfounded on how to approach their own product.

I say test the waters, if mario kart or smash dont give you the numbers you want sales wise, then thats the nail in the coffin and just move on. Mario 3D world did good but not to what it can and i believe that's a first sign of worse to come. So test waters on your other top system sellers especially mario kart and smash bro, whenever that is coming out, but if the present proves anything, it a good indication if mario aint selling then this pipe is clogged just move on.

nukeitall3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

I think this is a positive thing for Nintendo. Remember how Microsoft upped the game, and forced Sony's hand to improve their relationship with 3rd party?

Remember when MS was the one sending out engineers, whereas Sony was the one ignoring 3rd parties?

Look at Sony now!

Point being, Nintendo will do the same and Nintendo is a company that has proven to be very adaptable in the past so drop the price on a Wii U while the Windwaker LE edition is still available, and I will jump on it!

That said, I think investment into third party is not something Nintendo is "used" to, and will take some corporate company culture change. That is the most difficult thing to do for any company. Humans are creatures of habit!

princejb1343737d ago

I think it was the wii that gave the wii u a bad taste
During that time I was working for gamestop and the wii was selling like hot cakes
Mainly because of the gimmick of wii sports and wii fit and the wii controller
But many of those people that bought the wii including myself found the game library kinda empty or disappointing. The only good games were the first party (Mario,Zelda,metroid, etc.)

windblowsagain3737d ago

What happened was they brought out the Wii u, which hasn't got the gimmick controls that mums,dads,children enjoy. Casual gaming.

The casual console can happen again, just needs to be more powerful then PS4, and have tons of 3rd and 1st party.

Robotronfiend3737d ago

"Jap" is not the preferred nomenclature dude.

THEDON82z13737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

It's not too-late yet (hear me out I am a hardcore PlayStation man, with deep Nintendo roots at-least up to N64..LOL.

1)Invest,Invest,Invest...One the biggest problems about Nintendo is there refusal to invest in RD.They need to hire some good tech firms to get together with their internal tech teams and create a kick ass HD engine to exploit WII U's GPU. They also need to invest in expanding their first party teams so they can create some New IP's. Finally they need to invest in creating A pro controller 2.0,miniaturizing the tablet screen and combining that with the pro controller.After that take a loss and bundle that sh@t with a black Wii U.

2) Stop creating the same dame games over and over...Its real pathetic when you cant tell a real difference between Mario Wii AND Mario WiiU
I am 31 years old and the biggest disappointment for me is not seeing the classic game's I grew up on, not get a real Next-gen remake! Mario should get a direct sequel to Mario 64(only with tru kick as graphics),Zelda should have went with a more darker tone just like the (Tech demo hinted at) and finally they should just say fuck it and make Super Metroid a straight Mass effect inspired type game.If they had those three big titles along with some new IP's, they could really have a good chance of turning things around.

Finally the last one CREATE A REAL INTERNET SERVICE deputing with a Nex-gen Starfox as F2P type game, this is 2014 sh@t. But watch Nintendo do the exact OPPOSITE!!!!

Eonjay3737d ago

I have never found blaming anyone to be a solution or appropriate way for dealing with my problems

thexmanone3737d ago

@ shoddy

I blame you for trolling

ShinMaster3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

NINTENDO is to blame.

""Satoru Iwata took away the autonomy of Nintendo of America when he took over. This meant the Japanese branch, the headquarters, made all the calls. This was right when the West started gaining a lot of traction as the most important part of the world sales-wise for the industry.

Multiple Western third-party relationships with Nintendo quickly soured, many that had worked with Nintendo closely in the past had their bonds broken with the big N, and it still hurts Nintendo to this day.
Third-party support in general is much more horrid than when Satoru Iwata originally stepped into the role as president of Nintendo, and it has only been getting progressively worse.

Under Iwata's leadership, Nintendo allowed the Wii to flounder for two years at the end of its life without much software support. This made it so the casual gamers that were attached to the Wii name went elsewhere for their entertainment, and it made it so any momentum Nintendo would have had going into the Wii U was dead.""
http://www.superphillipcent...

Pogmathoin3737d ago

Nuke, I guess disagrees mean you spoke the truth.

UltraNova3736d ago

@Pogmathoin

Care to elaborate on why i got disagrees with just saying 'yeah'??

I would appreciate it...really!

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Apex133737d ago

@Mikelarry, calm down dear, it's just an article lol

Mikelarry3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

lol i am very calm just dislike when blame is passed around on to others but the the person who is at fault, instead of the blame game cant they suggest ways Nintendo can improve on to avoid situations like this

also to the disagrees just an example of what third parties are saying about the wiiu... don't hate the messenger hate the game

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

JsonHenry3737d ago

Nintendo needs to realize that they are stuck in the past. Gimmicks in gaming rarely sells anymore. The Wii, WiiU, Kinect, and PSMove controllers are all gimmicks at best. It doesn't help sell a console or games. And add that Nintendo's default controllers are these gimmicky things it is a recipe for distaster.

Lets move on to the fact Nintendo's machines are greatly underpowered (something they use to be the star of!) compared to the competition. Then lets look at network/online/friends/apps and realize just how stuck in the late 90s Nintendo's online services are.

The problems with Nintendo is lack of vision and keeping things modern. Hopefully they learn their lesson and knock the next one out of the park much like Sony did with the PS4.

Chevalier3737d ago

I would think their poor choice in designing underpowered Wii U console and not having development tools ready are more detrimental than anything. Lots of work and low sales cement it.

kenshiro1003737d ago

This is hilarious.

A big company like Nintendo blaming Sony because they can't get third party support?

They have themselves to blame for it.

showtimefolks3737d ago

MS's already blames sony now Nintendo wants to join the cry baby list. Nintendo has a long long history of not getting 3rd party support, how about actually geeting feedback from development community next time around

stop with these Gimmicks gamepads and motion controls, make a solid console that can compete with ms and sony and 3rd parties will support you

also next time when you launch a new console make sure the games are ready to come out within timely manner. Both sony and ms will believer more than in shorter period of time since launch

Kavorklestein3736d ago

When has MS ever blamed Sony for anything? In fact, they have taken less pot-shots at Sony than Sony has as them, let ALONE blame them lol

Cha0tik3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

It doesn't matter who is blamed. With the right approach and the right terms anyone can be talked into creating an exclusive game. This is an internal problem. It has nothing to do with Microsoft or Sony. They MUST make their console look amazing to develop for and with the numbers they are selling that's going to be hard.

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TheLyonKing3737d ago

I would take that as a compliment for Sony, Sony's hardware and support of 3rd party titles means its much more attractive and viable to produce on their platform rather than nintendo's

XiSasukeUchiha3737d ago

Nintendo make it attractive to third party at the same time innovative gameplay like u always done.

madjedi3736d ago (Edited 3736d ago )

What innovation exactly?

I don't see anything remotely innovative in nintendo games the last couple gens, that hasn't been matched by either third part sony or ms games.

What innovative gameplay exactly mario still runs, jumps and stomps goombas and samus and link are still doing their things. Same shit better graphics like all games.

So again what innovative gameplay because since the ps1/ps2 era i don't see any real gameplay innovations. That i hear nintendo fans rave about, just the same basic things only more fleshed out as we utilize more powerful hardware and better tools.

If anything you have had more innovation(piss poorly used instead of improvements/advancements), in the graphical side, ai ect than the gameplay side.

Looking at all the ms, nintendo and sony games released last gen, i am not seeing anything i would shout to the heavens as innovative really.

But then again i am only interested in it's a fun game or not, how innovative the same games from 30 yrs ago despite not really changing much if any in 10+ yrs.

People need to stop confusing fun or enjoyable with innovation, and stop thinking that if the game is not innovating that it is a bad game.

Last serious innovations online and waggle, even those aren't new concepts in gaming. The powerglove by mattel for nes.

ape0073737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

it's competition, it's nintendo that don't go out and get 3rd party games, let me put things on perspective,

nintendo have some of the best studios in the world and give some of the best games, games that are pure gold and have timeless appeal, i cannot wait for DK Tropical Freeze

on the other hand, Nintendo's management just plain sucks, their strategies and decisions with 3rd party developers, with system specifications, with online support, with the industry as whole just plain sucks

other than the hardcore nintendo fan, the wiiu for the general public is a very late xbox 360+ with tablet that have waaay less games and worse online support

the wiiu future looks absolutely bleak, i MEAN THE WIIU CANNOT EVEN GET/COMPETE WITH CURRENT GEN MULTIPLATS like GTA V, BF4, NFS what the hell the wiiu gonna do against NEXTGEN MULTIPLATS, the system feels lost

some might say to "hey ape u like their games why are u criticizing them"

i criticize because i don't want nintendo consoles to stop, i don't want to see others bash the company i grew with with heavy valid arguments, i don't want to see everyone making a joke out of it, from developers to games

nintendo should make a true wiiu, something that is for everybody

hope sales pick up...

lilbroRx3737d ago

@" it's nintendo that don't go out and get 3rd party games"

False:

Tekken Tag Wii U Edition

Fire Emblem X Capcom
Lego City
Bayonetta 2
Wonderful 101
Hyrule Warriors
Sonic Lost World

deafdani3737d ago

I think he means multiplatform games. Of which the Wii U has a few, true, but it's definitely lacking, and it looks like it will fall even more behind in the future in that area.

lilbroRx3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

@deafdani If Nintendo payed for developers to put something on their hardware that third parties were paying other companies to be able to put on their hardware(third parties have to pay licensing fees to sale the gamers, otherwise the console manufacturers wouldn't make any money) that would be disastrous.

It would set a precedent where every developer would expect Nintendo to pay to have the games on their console. It would cost Nintendo even more money. It would do nothing good for their pr. It wouldn't improve the Wii U's situation at all.

Did you forget Splinter Cell Blacklist? Dark Siders 2? Assassin's Creed 3 and 4? Call of Duty BO2 and Ghosts? Arkham City and Origins? Rayman Legends? Trine 2: Director's Cut? Deus Ex Human Revolution Director's Cut? Sniper Elite 2? Resident Evil: Revelations HD? NFS Most Wanted? Lego Marvel? etc.

They already get most of the big name third party mulitplats. They simply don't sale. People would rather buy them on consoles they already own with reputations for not having broken, glitchy versions of the game with missing content and modes. How is Nintendo wasting money to get more of them going to change that?

Exclusives always trump mulitplatform games in moving hardware as well.

Redempteur3736d ago (Edited 3736d ago )

@lilbroRx
Your list has 3 games that aren't out yet.
fruthermore, nintendo does need all those games that are garanteed to be on some consoles , stuff like creed ( they do ) but need for speed ( where is rivals ? ) , fifa , madden , METAL GEAR , GTA , skyrim.

How can you expect a normal consummer to take this console when the big games aren't there. Nintendo got creed and COD , but they failed to convince EA and plenty of other publishers aside from ubisoft.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1013d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref2d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde2d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19722d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville2d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21831d 22h ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos1d 21h ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai2d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref2d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan2d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0071d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19722d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref2d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde2d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19722d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier2d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto2d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21831d 21h ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto1d 19h ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman2d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts2d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts1d 7h ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic1d 16h ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel9d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger888d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing8d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS8d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder7d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff21837d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.

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The Nintendo Partner Spotlight Sale Is The Perfect Excuse To Get These 6 Gems

Huzaifa from eXputer: "The Nintendo Partner Spotlight sale event has discounted a number of worthy titles on the Switch. Here are 6 of them you should check out."